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Fistbeard_McThunderaxe said:
Fine arts has it far worse. Contemporary fine art schools practically pressure students into becoming abstract artists and only support or display student art that fits the school (low effort abstract scribbles). Meanwhile, 10% all of fine art graduates make a sustainable income and it forces them into becoming art teachers. Abstract and many types of contemporary fine art cater to a niche that will pay less than furry porn commissions.
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The CIA really cucked the art world.
 
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Dr. Studman M.D. said:
The CIA really cucked the art world.
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Eh, this is a rather gross oversimplification of art history. Art in Europe was already well into an abstract movement of it's own during this same period, in fact European and Russian art had already had a few abstract art movements long before this with Dadaism, avant-garde, and pre-Soviet Union propaganda respectively - so the motives of the CIA operation weren't "force abstract art to be popular" so much as "promote the abstract art we do have so we don't look like plebs in front of Europe and show the Russian artists that we let our artists do what they want without consequence." Even without CIA interference there would likely still have been an abstract art movement in the US considering the number of Bauhaus students who fled Germany in the 30s went on to be influences as instructors and leaders in the art circles of Europe and America.

That said, modern abstract, postmodernism, etc. is still pretentious as fuck and has moved far away from a lot of the original concept of making something that evokes a feeling in anyone with the a minimal amount of carefully thought-out detail, to this elite clique of artists and rich art "critics" fellating each other over how smart, important, and self-referential they are. Really all they learn is not how to make their art, even their abstract art, look good so much as how to string together the right words that trick their art friends into thinking it's more clever than it really is.

Though if you want to see some real cancer just look at performance art. That shit's been terrible from its inception.
 
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One Man Bland said:
That said, modern abstract, postmodernism, etc. is still pretentious as fuck and has moved far away from a lot of the original concept of making something that evokes a feeling in anyone with the a minimal amount of carefully thought-out detail, to this elite clique of artists and rich art "critics" fellating each other over how smart, important, and self-referential they are. Really all they learn is not how to make their art, even their abstract art, look good so much as how to string together the right words that trick their art friends into thinking it's more clever than it really is.

Though if you want to see some real cancer just look at performance art. That shit's been terrible from its inception.
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For the record, a good scam is art.
 
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Dr. Studman M.D. said:
My only exposure to performance art is that video where a hipster masturbated with rotten spaghettios.
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Believe it or not, I actually knew that chick in the video through a friend of a friend. I never spoke to her personally and mostly heard about her antics through a peer's venting, but from what I can gather not even her fellow art school peers liked her all that much.

From what I can gather, she apparently went on to do another "performance art" piece where she made a bunch of accounts for various sugar daddy websites and brought in the presents she got from them to put on displays. While I never got the full details, apparently faculty had gotten involved and were asking if she was actually having sex with those men due to concerns that the school might get in hot water over it possibly counting as prostitution. Last I ever heard of her she was doing another "performance" piece where'd she'd invite homeless men in Chicago to stay in her apartment and record the events with a hidden nanny cam. That was back in 2013-ish.
 
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There’s no good comics thread but I found this comic and I really wanted to share it. :feels: (Can’t find the original though :( )

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Commander Keen said:
Around the turn of the century, back when I was still chugging along on a 28.8kb/s dial up connection, I read a strip called Ozy and Millie. I was a huge Calvin and Hobbes fan and I recall finding the strip when someone suggested it and said it was as close to Calvin and Hobbes as you could get.

https://ozyandmillie.org/1998/04/29/ozy-and-millie-2/

I want to say I was 15 or 16 at the time. Ozy and Millie seems to still have a following and is still regarded as "pretty good" and did win awards.

Then the artist made a comic series called Raine Dog.

http://badwebcomicswiki.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Raine_Dog

I did not see this comic mentioned in the thread. Raine Dog is pretty out there and I was shocked to learn that the artist also did Ozy and Millie. Then the pieces started to fall into place, the artist is a graduate of Evergreen College (the day of absence college, if you remember that shitstorm) and is a tranny par excellence married to a dude. I only saw 13 hits when I searched "Dana Simpson" here on the farms, but I would say Raine Dog is one of the worst comics I've read. Especially since I did enjoy Ozy and Millie when I was a young and impressionable teenager.
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Dana always had a *massive* chip on her shoulder about the fact she spent absolute years working on Ozy and Millie but Newspaper syndicates always rejected it. It's no longer on the archived comic site - but there used to be a whole "early history" section documenting the early strips which came before she really started the series proper and her attempts to sell it to papers who would often ask for more sunday strips or better quality. Early O&M hasn't the best inking quality, it got better over time.

Ozy and Millie could be quite smart sometimes, but mostly it was riding the coattails of Mr Waterson's work a bit too much without being quite as charming. I loved the characters, but Dana always let the idea that, one day, she might get O&M syndicated pull her back from doing any significant character development.

At the time she had a dedicated fan-forum called "Define Cynical" which consisted of fans following the comics. She used to endorse it, but the fans found she become quite hostile during her transition and O&M suffered as she went back to college to learn art. Which also led to her dropping traditional inking for digital drawing and new strips starting to look "off" from how she used to draw it. It basically got to a point where the fans themselves became tired and fed up with very half-hearted arcs when Dana was bothered to draw O&M. She eventually announced O&M would be ending and would be wrapping up some plots before moving on. This was also around the time she started working on Raine Dog V1.

The final weeks of the comic consisted of rushed character development, with Llewellyn Dragon and Millie's Mother suddenly going steady and getting married. This made Ozy and Millie step-brother and sister, which rather messed with fans hopes they would be a couple when older someday. Also a saga where the stereotypical "mean girl" character suddenly became goth.

The fans had mixed feelings about Raine Dog to start, but general thought was that it looked sloppy and it took forever for the story to really start....then it did start, with the infamous "talking dog snogs her young boy master" page. While the fan forum had been bit divided on the quality of O&M, there was collective fire over that and Raine Dog's very pretentious "I'm hipster liberal" tone (the comic literally starts with her self-insert in the future getting an overpriced bistro chain coffee while lecturing the audience)

Needless to say, she later called her own fan-forums toxic and it generally just became a bunch of veteran posters hanging out together and re-reading O&M with a critical eye and wondering where it all went south.

Dana eventually got her break by entering an early version of Heavenly Nostrils / Phoebe and her Unicorn simply known as "Girl" when submitted to a syndicate contest. She won and the comic took an age to morph into what it is now, but at it's core it's generally Ozy and Millie with the character cast chopped down. I think she's since ended up working with Toonami a bit alongside her comics. Good for her I suppose, but it's always been a shame she just dropped O&M for slightly blander offerings.
 
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RisingPheonix said:
Dana always had a *massive* chip on her shoulder about the fact she spent absolute years working on Ozy and Millie but Newspaper syndicates always rejected it.
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I chalk that up to the fact that syndicated print comics were a dying thing when he/she came of age. Had they been just 6 - 8 years earlier, they probably would have made it, if only for a couple years.

I've seen their art when they ran a DA page, don't know if they still do, and it does have a relatable Calvin and Hobbes feel, and when not political, is harmless and inoffensive, with the guiding hand of an editor and some publisher-laid ground rules (no fetish jokes, no political jokes) Simpson might have become a known name of the last-generation of newspaper comic artists.

They'd certainly have gone online as a webcomic or retired by now, with the rights to some branded swag keeping them warm, instead of your typical SJW harpy they did become. It's one of those troon-outs that I actually feel sad about, so much wasted potential, not from necessarily ego (Dobby) or delusions of talent (OPL), but just darn bad timing.
 
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RisingPheonix said:
it's always been a shame she just dropped O&M for slightly blander offerings.
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Counter-point, as he trooned further and further out, DCS' ability to keep his politics out of his work would have failed and we'd have ended up with Troon Screeching: The comic. You can't tell me you were looking forward to inevitable arc with the thinly veiled sex change reference. It was bad enough when he did his shaving fetish shit.

O&M was p. much Calvin & Hobbes methadone, and like what it was trying to emulate, its best that it died before it got completely ruined.

Thanks for the informative Webcomics history post.
 
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Ghostse said:
Counter-point, as he trooned further and further out, DCS' ability to keep his politics out of his work would have failed and we'd have ended up with Troon Screeching: The comic. You can't tell me you were looking forward to inevitable arc with the thinly veiled sex change reference. It was bad enough when he did his shaving fetish shit.

O&M was p. much Calvin & Hobbes methadone, and like what it was trying to emulate, its best that it died before it got completely ruined.

Thanks for the informative Webcomics history post.
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Ozy and Millie died before it could become Garfield.
 
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I used to read O&M a bit in the early 2000s. It wasn't bad, but I wasn't super impressed either. There was a kid in some of my classes that wore O&M shirts a lot and always brought in the books to read in class. Dude was a sickly scrawny turbosperg, one of the self-proclaimed intellectuals that drives everyone up the wall acting superior and such.

I remember asking one day if I could read one of the books and he freaked out and said it wasn't for plebs like me and besides all his stuff was autographed and super special and so deep and genius and nobody could touch it but him. I figured he was just a superfan or something.

A while after high school I found out the kid's older brother is Simpson's boyfriend (or maybe husband now) and he just got O&M merch free all the time.
 
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Monolith said:
This is good except for the 9gag watermark.
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That’s why I said i can’t find the original, the original was a bunch of pages but someone merged them into one image and then unfortunately uploaded it to 9gag, and I’m not uploading 10 or so pages on McDonald’s tier wifi.
 
Skip this thread for a few days, miss out on Dana Simpson sperging. He was one of my first lolcows long before I knew what lolcows were.

I can't find the related comics, but he unironically believed, at least at one time, that Matt Groening stole his likeness to create Lisa Simpson. I poked around his pony-filled (of course) deviantart looking for it, and found something else.

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https://www.deviantart.com/pedantia/art/Slacker-Mice-pg-3-258939162

I forgot about the fucking shaving fetish. From the gallery it looks like Dana has a thing about mice, drew himself as one in a few pics, and started this comic about a shaved mouse with his exact hair and glasses, coincidentally named D4N4, who just so happens to be sooo much smarter than his peers and immediately questions the status quo. I'm glad it never took off, it's basically Raine Dog with mice, only with bonus fetish fuel.

Admittedly, I don't know anything about the unicorn comic. It seems like on the surface, good on Dana for getting a comic syndicated at last and backing off the soapbox, but I have a terrible feeling there's veiled kinks and maybe pedoshit in there? Because this dA gallery chock full of ponies and "little girl Dana" is kind of creepy.
 
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