Joshua Wise & Stephen Boyd The Chris-Chan Extortionists - and the End of Evangelion

[Dayquil]

I'm making him art, fuck it.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

No one is downplaying anything. Those facts prove that Chris cannot be responsible for himself. This is not even granny sending money to some Mexican who says he is her grandchild and needs money to pay for legal help. The story they used is not even plausible. Chris believed that a false world was in danger. He is on a rescue mission to save Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, or a sane, intelligent tranny. It is almost as funny as it is sad. Chris admits he struck his demented seinor mother to protect his cartoon world. He committed a rather serious crime there.

None of this is really new. Chris has always fallen for outlandish stories that took advantage of his fantasy-based world view and magical thinking. He believes anything that sounds good and blames other people for his problems. County officials, school administrators, and real estate agents conspired to make him friendless. Then trolls and a Jewish shopkeep did the same thing years later. And Nintendo executives were excited to hire Chris so they could release a game that they already made and owned. Cartoons have their own plane of existence. Youtube videos can cure autism and grow vaginas. These are things that "adult" Chris believes. Any of them could be used to exploit Chris. And people have done it with most of them. The past stuff has all been small potatoes because his parents--who were idiots--stopped most of it before it went too far. Even this is not as bad as it could have been.

Chris will not get better. He needs real help with legal authority and record keeping. Trying to help him out without some legal framework is a recipe for trouble. You cannot just have Chris move in and manage his money for him. One accusation of mismanagement or theft would be a huge problem. He needs his communications and actions monitored. He will resist all of this. You cannot force him to listen to you because you think you know better. Mental deficients have rights.

Simple attempts at "filtering" are doomed to failure. Chris is constantly in need of money to support his Tom Hanks in the movie Big lifestyle that he cannot afford. He will always go to giving away contact info to get money because he is greedy and requires instant gratification.

And that's what I hate the most about these two chucklefucks. Sure Chris is incredibly gullible, and his worldview might not have been all that different even without the help of people like Wise, Boyd, Bluespike and the rest (certainly not as exceptionally outlandish at the very least). But they were feeding off it for all it's worth for this long and no one told them to stop until it was too late. Even Blue knew when to quit, and he dragged his shit on for as long as he could too.

If anything, they're the worse of the two evils here. Chris isn't completely innocent in any of this either, especially since the all stuff with Snyder and Walsh are of his own hand (as far as we know). But I'd argue his only really major crime in this scenario (aside from hitting Barb) is falling for all of this time and time again.

After hearing these revelations, I think that we should do something nice for Chris. And do awful things to the awful people who would do some shit like this to a literal exceptional individual like CWC.

I think I might do some art for him too. If nothing else.

 

[Augerino]

I'm not going to claim that I'm an expert or that I'm saying anything new here, but fucking hell. Fuck-ing hell.

I agree that bringing these fucking psychos to justice should be a primary goal, but I think this also solidifies that Chris needs extra help. Especially once Barb is gone. Now, should that help come in the form of some sort of group home or other similar establishment? It's debatable. Either way, what you guys have been doing for Chris is very honorable. But you have to ask, what's enough and what's not enough? Chris has shown that he needs serious guidance, not Rocky Shoemaker guidance. He's just that sort of person, and I bet he will need a lot of it in the coming weeks with the aftermath of this whole situation, and when Barb finally bites it, whenever that may be.

 

[Iamthatis]

I still can’t get over the fact that Chris fucking punched Barb. I’m not sure being blackmailed that an imaginary world would be destroyed would if you didn’t is a defense for that. I mean if Chris goes after these two idiots legally and they have a video of him punching his elderly mother couldn’t they get him in serious trouble especially since he has a record. Or what happens when eventually some asshole calls elder services and says Chris is punching his mother? Chris is fucked, filtering his emails may just be to little to late at this point. I honestly can’t find an argument against trying it at least. I would just leave the two Idiots alone though. As much as I hate them I’m worried they could still hurt Chris.

 

[Goofy Logic]

After observing the last few pages, I noticed a lot of people having a debate on whether any of the trolling old or recent, was justified.


Here's my take.

In the strictest moral and ethical sense, no, it was never justified at any time, but that's a given.


That said, there are two phases of trolling at play here.


Old Phase: The early days of trolling were basically just poking an easily offended, easily mockable weirdo who made a strange webcomic and who had a goofy view of reality. While it occasionally dipped into the disturbed and depraved territory (i.e. - The Bluespike incident), the trolls of that time, as @Marvin can attest, drew the lines fairly explicitly between messing with a weirdo's emotions while still giving him room and free will to ignore them if he so chose, but Chris' unwillingness to do that led to the old phase of trolling we now know.

Back then, Chris was fairly well off by contemporary standards given his standards now, had both parents, and generally lived fairly high on the hog for someone of his station, so given Chris could have spared himself the trouble of lashing out at the internet for being mean and just chose not to, the trolls of old figured so long as they didn't do any that robbed Chris of free will, it was a consensual performance art piece Chris contributed to, they got some laughs, end of story.

The old phase generally ended by the time Chris' father died. By this point, Chris' life had gotten somewhat more somber and darker, and most of the trolls of old decided they had their fun, but Chris deserved to generally be let alone, winding up a grieving man who they had worked into a frenzy prior was basically a shit thing to do.



New Phase: After an interregnum where Chris' presence was quite minimal, the new phase of trolling began. Initially, it was tired rehashes of old trolling stunts, and by this time the older and relatively wiser Chris had developed an immunity to a limited degree, and by this point, he was a far different person than the one the internet became aware of years prior.

Unfortunately, by this point, Chris had built up an internet reputation, and we began to see a horde of asshole copycats try to recapture the "lulz" of the old guard of trolls, many of which had hung their hats up and decided they had their fun, just sit back and watch.

The new phase of troll, unfortunately, misunderstood not only the moral limits the trolls of old imposed to allow Chris to walk away at any time, they also lacked any of the commonly understood ethos the older trolls had fallen back on: Chris is a mentally unstable man who is quite gullible, so have laughs at his expense but don't force him to do anything he wouldn't have a choice to do".

This was a sane limit established to keep matters where they would not be legally actionable, the old guard of trolls had the brains to know they didn't want to screw themselves over doing something illegal.

As we have seen, the new phase of troll had become the kind of morally and ethically bereft sack of shit who had no problem trying to psychologically manipulate Chris for their own gain and sick amusement, even if they had to stoop to crime to get the laughs the trolls of old had the good sense to mostly realize was not worth it, either materially or morally.

As has been most recently discussed, it has gone far beyond poking a weird person on the internet for laughs while giving them the chance to quit reacting if they so chose. What has happened recently is robbing said weird guy of any free will by tricking him into false confessions and then using that as a springboard to have him give money, other items, and perform sick and depraved acts in exchange for not being ruined on a legal and moral level.

Basically, the new phase of troll, at best, was a bad rehash of the old phase, and at worst are sociopaths engaging in criminal behavior.

I think one major difference here is the trolls mentality. This new breed seems to have a genuine hatred of Chris, who think that any trolling is justified because his internet lore describes a man that deserves to be run into the ground.

Then on top of that, because of the isolation these A-logs cause by continuingly hounding him wherever he goes, leaves him vulnerable to sociopathic predators.

We saw something similar play out with DSP's catfish saga.

 

[GethN7]

I think one major difference here is the trolls mentality. This new breed seems to have a genuine hatred of Chris, who think that any trolling is justified because his internet lore describes a man that deserves to be run into the ground.

Then on top of that, because of the isolation these A-logs cause by continuingly hounding him wherever he goes, leaves him vulnerable to sociopathic predators.

We saw something similar play out with DSP's catfish saga.

I'd concur, hence why I mentioned the new breed lacks any sort of moral limit.

The old breed of troll considered the Bluespike Incident a disturbing and dark part of trolling Chris they nigh all denounced and distanced themselves from.

The new breed not only found it hilarious, they think subjecting Chris to such degrading acts is tame compared to what could really be done to him, and considering getting a guy to shove a broken medallion up his ass was fucked up both then and now, the new breed of troll is a sicko who needs to be interdicted before they can do any further damage.

 

[BallBuster]

Well, isn’t this guy a treat. He might as well paint a target on his back. The hatred some of these people spew is sickening. But they will cry like little bitches when they are on the receiving end.

 

[PlasticOwls]

Well, isn’t this guy a treat. He might as well paint a target on his back. The hatred some of these people spew is sickening. But they will cry like little bitches when they are on the receiving end.

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Its sad trolls like him are barely old enough to sneak into a PG-13 movie, but are this callous and malcious. Chris isn't even worth the effort.

 

[Lum_Invader]

This fucking guy. This is the kid who brought speakers to school so he could listen to disturbed on full blast like an edgy faggot.

 

[Zvantastika]

The new breed not only found it hilarious, they think subjecting Chris to such degrading acts is tame compared to what could really be done to him, and considering getting a guy to shove a broken medallion up his ass was fucked up both then and now, the new breed of troll is a sicko who needs to be interdicted before they can do any further damage.

Don't call them trolls, call them sociopaths because that's exactly what they are. If someone can't discern the problem between, calling someone a fag on the internet to make him mad and have a cheap laugh, and extorting or blackmailing a mentally challenged person for your own economic profit and call it a "joke", then that person is clearly a psycopath or an edgy 12 year old internet cunt.

Really weird times when the site that documents Chris life and fails has to step in to denounce brain dead try hards from committing actual crimes.

 

[Lurkette]

I still can’t get over the fact that Chris fucking punched Barb. I’m not sure being blackmailed that an imaginary world would be destroyed would if you didn’t is a defense for that. I mean if Chris goes after these two idiots legally and they have a video of him punching his elderly mother couldn’t they get him in serious trouble especially since he has a record. Or what happens when eventually some asshole calls elder services and says Chris is punching his mother? Chris is fucked, filtering his emails may just be to little to late at this point. I honestly can’t find an argument against trying it at least. I would just leave the two Idiots alone though. As much as I hate them I’m worried they could still hurt Chris.

Fair warning, I'm merely a paralegal in training and not a lawyer. So don't act on my advice until its confirmed by a lawyer or at least don't mention me to the judge

What's important here is INTENT, not how ridiculous his beliefs were and are. Most states, if not all, have specific criminal statutes protecting disabled adults and the elderly from being exploited in cases like this.

I googled "west virgnia exploration of disabled adults" and came up with this site. Dunno if chris already was told about it, or if WV would be the jurisdiction, but quoting from thier page.

Who can receive Adult Protective Services (APS)?

-Those under age 18 who are legally emancipated and
-Adults age 18 and older
-Who are functionally disabled due to a mental or physical
disability
-Living in their own home or a residential facility, such as
a nursing home, personal care home, residential board
and care home or adult family care home

What are the responsibilities of Adult Protective Services?
-Investigate reports of abuse, neglect and exploitation
-Conduct investigations in the home or facility
-Provide appropriate services and supports based on the conclusions drawn from the investigation
/QUOTE]

 

[Dayquil]

Fair warning, I'm merely a paralegal in training and not a lawyer. So don't act on my advice until its confirmed by a lawyer or at least don't mention me to the judge

What's important here is INTENT, not how ridiculous his beliefs were and are. Most states, if not all, have specific criminal statutes protecting disabled adults and the elderly from being exploited in cases like this.

I googled "west virgnia exploration of disabled adults" and came up with this site. Dunno if chris already was told about it, or if WV would be the jurisdiction, but quoting from thier page.

Chris lives in Virginia, not WV.

http://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/as/aps.cgi

To report suspected adult abuse, neglect or exploitation, call your local department of social services or the 24-hour, toll-free Adult Protective Services hotline at: (888 ) 832-3858.

 

[Botched Tit Job]

The thing that astounds me the most in this situation is that I'd never even think of doing the things these edgelord cucks are doing to Chris. Jesus fucking Christ. Chris really attracts every sociopath with an internet connection, doesn't he?

Wise & crew deserve to be trapped in an unlit faraday cage for the rest of their miserable lives

 

[mindlessobserver]

Well, isn’t this guy a treat. He might as well paint a target on his back. The hatred some of these people spew is sickening. But they will cry like little bitches when they are on the receiving end.

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Oh no, he called us all faggots. He's a big guy.

Chris lives in Virginia, not WV.

http://www.dss.virginia.gov/family/as/aps.cgi

To report suspected adult abuse, neglect or exploitation, call your local department of social services or the 24-hour, toll-free Adult Protective Services hotline at: (888 ) 832-3858.

A thing to know about Virginia is that the State Police have jurisdiction everywhere. They usually do highway patrol, but they can enforce other things as well, especially if the county is ignoring ongoing criminal behavior. @Null tried to get the local sheriff to do something and since he didn't you can move it up the chain to the State government level and see if something clicks.

 

[Lord Thistlewick Flanders]

Yes, Chris needs professional help for sure, thats something everyone here can certainly agree on. The question is really who are the people that'll be willing to invest their valuable time, energy and sweat into making sure an autistic 36yr is kept safe from various scam artists both online and off? If Chris ever gets a social worker, can they manage his finances for him?

I mean its commendable that Null for example is willing to dedicate some of his time into filtering Chris's emails and maintaining a line of contact with him, but is this something he'll want to do for the next 10 years? 20? Given all indications so far, Chris is still as gullible as he was 10 years ago though to a lesser extent, but still. How will a 45yr Chris deal with scammers? Or a 55yr Chris? He'll still have the same childish mindset and scammers love to prey on people like that.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Well, isn’t this guy a treat. He might as well paint a target on his back. The hatred some of these people spew is sickening. But they will cry like little bitches when they are on the receiving end.

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You're always gonna have edgelord teenagers. Best to just ignore them

 

[lolwut]

You're always gonna have edgelord teenagers geriatric old men like Hirtes. Best to just ignore them

ftfy

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

I think you're projecting a bit there, bud.

If only, my friend.

 

[Chester Rigby]

Is it normal to feel extremely angry and really, really sad because of this?

 

[timtommy]

Honest question, do you really know what a group home is? Do you think they're filled with invalids and people who can't tie their shoelaces? No, they're mostly filled with people who are just dumb enough to get disability payments and would be taken advantage of on the streets. The luckiest thing that ever happened to Chris was that the people screwing with him in real life were content with being "trolls" and not simply trying to steal his money. The moment Chris has to relocate to a slightly more urban area or a more financially motivated scam artist shows up in his real life, he is utterly fucked. It's better to just put him a place where he can interact with other tards rather than letting him sit around in a house that's far too big for him that he doesn't have the finances or wherewithal to maintain properly.

I think the largest, and possibly only, barrier that Chris would object to in a group home is the fact that it is a group home. Being a part of mainstream society and not grouped with the slow-in-the-minds is important enough to him that it seems extremely difficult to get him to accept moving to a group home.

Other than that, I agree with your basic premise that the right sort of group home could be a good idea. Both in the sense that it is "good for him" and in the sense that he would have a decent time living there. But I just don't know how you get him to get over that barrier.

In some ways it reminds me of my grandfather and the old folk's home. He resisted all the pressure we put on him for so long, I think mostly because he saw it as an admission he couldn't take care of himself and an assault on his dignity. But as soon as he moved in his life improved immeasurably. They took care of the day-to-day life things that got on top of him and provided him with things to do he enjoyed. It didn't take long for him to change his mind and love the place. I wonder if Chris would be able to come to a similar realization.