Megathread Insane Parents of "Transgender" Kids - Parents who push a transgender identity on their children

[Haramburger]

My father and I were watching the Today Show a few weeks ago and they had this story about some kid whose parents dress him up like a girl and enter him in beauty pageants. I can’t remember how old he was, but it couldn’t have been more than ten.

If you didn't thank your father right then and there for a wonderful childhood and sparing your penis, you are a bad son!

 

[Particle Bored]

If you didn't thank your father right then and there for a wonderful childhood and sparing your penis, you are a bad son!

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

I did say it and then you responded with some "gay lion" bullshit. So. Ok.

Are you denying that it happens? Are you saying what I mentioned has never ever occurred? Not even once?

Edit: let's be clear from now on and choose our words carefully since it is clear that you are confused and think what I said meant 100% of this community does what I mentioned. You're one of those types. So be clear, concise, and choose your words with care if you want to engage on this. I promise to do the same moving forward.

Alright, let me be clear: child molestation by members of the homosexual community is bad; I might even go so far as to say that it's a cultural issue that needs to be addressed. However, it seems to me that the only people who ever address this issue are those who do it to claim either 1) that homosexuals are inherently pedophiles who pose a danger to the children (and therefore we should outlaw homosexuality), or 2) that homosexuality is a mental illness caused by being molested as a child (and therefore we should make gay conversion therapy legal and mandatory and add homosexuality back into the DSM), and that's not something I agree with either, based on anecdotal and statistical evidence.

 

[CIA Nigger]

/r9k/ is a great source for troon-grooming.

I'm sure there's a lot more out there, just not as big or as obvious.

Reddit has plenty of it too, it just occurs differently. Instead of blackmailing kids into HRT or telling them that you can turn into an anime girl (which happens on the /lgbt/ board all the time), you have echo chambers where other teens read stories about how playing with toys made for the other gender, roleplaying as the other gender, crossdressing, and teenage anxiety issues means that you're actually a transgirl inside. You'll also find "diy trans" tutorials on both Reddit and /lgbt/ (for when you can't/don't want to go to some informed consent clinic to get HRT with no questions asked), and stories of teenagers taking HRT and trying to hide it and the effects from their parents.

There's also YouTubers who will vlog about how amazing it is to be trans, both on the mtf and ftm side of things, and in that Atlantic article the first trans kid admitted that when they felt trans they were influenced by some ftm YouTube vlogger who did just that.

 

[Commander Keen]

Alright, let me be clear: child molestation by members of the homosexual community is bad; I might even go so far as to say that it's a cultural issue that needs to be addressed. However, it seems to me that the only people who ever address this issue are those who do it to claim either 1) that homosexuals are inherently pedophiles who pose a danger to the children (and therefore we should outlaw homosexuality), or 2) that homosexuality is a mental illness caused by being molested as a child (and therefore we should make gay conversion therapy legal and mandatory and add homosexuality back into the DSM), and that's not something I agree with either, based on anecdotal and statistical evidence.

Sodomy laws are clearly unconstitutional, so...whatever? I'm not saying outlaw gay sex. If you're an adult, you can do whatever you want as long as it does not harm me or my property.

The WHO had a thing where they said there was a "gaming disease" but being a troon was almost dropped from their handbook. Playing too much Duke Nukem 3D means you're mentally ill, lopping off your wedding tackle is just fine. So, with amazing powers of intellectualism like that, you really shouldn't trust a psychiatrist any more than you should trust some random stranger. You build a personal relationship with your doctor and go from there.

There this whole stigma regarding the DSM and it's because there's some pretty gruesome stuff listed in there. There's also incredibly minor conditions listed in there. If a homosexual WANTS to do "conversion therapy" then why stop them?

I do think homosexuality is a condition, but it's no different from any other "condition" (I wouldn't call it a mental illness, there's plenty in the DSM that I wouldn't call a mental illness) that you just roll with. Restless Leg Syndrome is in the goddamn DSM and we aren't even really sure it actually exists. Smoking and using tobacco is in the DSM.

There's gay dudes who smoke and they're just fine being in the DSM for smoking cigarettes, but put them in the DSM for smoking cock and there would be riots.

Edit: I'm sorry but I will point out the negative aspects of a group of people. You, and people like you, hate that because you won't engage. You start flinging shit to see what sticks. You've done what everyone else does: say I'm this evil human being who wants to round up queers and put them in pink triangle camps. I don't. I don't give a fuck. But I will not celebrate a culture or people who does fucked up shit with stunning regularity. Like fuck kids and prey on the weak. Which the LGBT does. If you deny it, you are being intellectually dishonest. If you prefer, we can talk about Roman Catholicism. I'd tell you the same story and you'd probably eat it up because they're an easy target and it's trendy to bash the Vatican.

 

[lil thotty]

2) that homosexuality is a mental illness caused by being molested as a child [...] and that's not something I agree with either, based on anecdotal and statistical evidence.

What statistical evidence of this leads you to your conclusion? I think that if 46% of gay men are openly reporting being molested as kids as previously cited, surely more keeping it to themselves or blocking it out due to the nature of this kind of trauma, it may be something worth looking into. I think the problem here is that it's an edgy and taboo topic where people obviously get really emotional and start slippery sloping with it (re CONVERSION CAMPS OH NO) and that kids are being harmed both physically and psychologically due to the public's fear of acknowledging it.

If you think that the logical conclusion to acknowledging problems in the gay community is to put them into death camps and declare them mentally ill issuing public mike pence electrocutions for sodomy without trial, that's a personal problem :/

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Sodomy laws are clearly unconstitutional, so...whatever? I'm not saying outlaw gay sex. If you're an adult, you can do whatever you want as long as it does not harm me or my property.

The WHO had a thing where they said there was a "gaming disease" but being a troon was almost dropped from their handbook. Playing too much Duke Nukem 3D means you're mentally ill, lopping off your wedding tackle is just fine. So, with amazing powers of intellectualism like that, you really shouldn't trust a psychiatrist any more than you should trust some random stranger. You build a personal relationship with your doctor and go from there.

There this whole stigma regarding the DSM and it's because there's some pretty gruesome stuff listed in there. There's also incredibly minor conditions listed in there. If a homosexual WANTS to do "conversion therapy" then why stop them?

I do think homosexuality is a condition, but it's no different from any other "condition" (I wouldn't call it a mental illness, there's plenty in the DSM that I wouldn't call a mental illness) that you just roll with. Restless Leg Syndrome is in the goddamn DSM and we aren't even really sure it actually exists. Smoking and using tobacco is in the DSM.

There's gay dudes who smoke and they're just fine being in the DSM for smoking cigarettes, but put them in the DSM for smoking cock and there would be riots.

Edit: I'm sorry but I will point out the negative aspects of a group of people. You, and people like you, hate that because you won't engage. You start flinging shit to see what sticks. You've done what everyone else does: say I'm this evil human being who wants to round up queers and put them in pink triangle camps. I don't. I don't give a fuck. But I will not celebrate a culture or people who does fucked up shit with stunning regularity. Like fuck kids and prey on the weak. Which the LGBT does. If you deny it, you are being intellectually dishonest. If you prefer, we can talk about Roman Catholicism. I'd tell you the same story and you'd probably eat it up because they're an easy target and it's trendy to bash the Vatican.

1. "Gaming disease" is just a formal recognition of gaming addiction; you know, like those chinks who starve to death because of WoW? It having a separate entry is just political shit (which is stupid), like how "sex addiction" used to be an entirely different thing called nymphomania. It's stupid when politics influences the medical world, but it doesn't suddenly mean a doctor or psychiatrist is equal to a guy in the pub. On your later note: "smoking cigarettes" isn't in the DSM, addiction is. If you are a tobbaco addict, you are suffering from addiction. If you smoke once or twice a week, you aren't (although that's still pretty unhealthy). You don't seem to be very familiar with how psychiatry works.
2. I don't object to homosexuals getting "conversion therapy" on their own; it's statistically shown to be ineffective at best and psychologically damaging at worst, but adults can make their own decisions. My concern with gay conversion therapy is people being coerced or forced by their family into it, especially minors.
3. The reason homosexuality isn't considered a mental illness is because it doesn't fit the basic framework of what defines a mental illness; deviance, dysfunction, distress, and danger. Behavior generally has to fit into three of those four before it's considered a mental illness. Homosexuality is somewhat deviant, but most homosexual sex acts are also things heterosexuals practice; sometimes with greater frequency. The dysfunctional aspect of homosexuality is easily attributed to outside people's reactions to homosexuality instead of an inner state (if you get fired because you're gay, that's not your fault). Generally-speaking, homosexuals aren't distressed by their attraction to the same sex. And homosexual behavior isn't inherently dangerous. Putting homosexuality in the DSM is a categorical error.
4. Now who's making accusations? If you're really a virtuous person willing to call out the toxic nature of US "gay culture" without treating homosexuals as criminals or maniacs, good on you. But saying shit like "the gays are groomers" and "psychiatrists brainwash kids to be gays" makes it sound like you're in the second camp.
5. I'm a Catholic.

EDIT: @lil thotty
1. I could very well assume that the study you're citing selected from a bad cross-section, or had methodological errors, or that people felt pressured to answer a certain way because I want the number to be lower; just like you seem to want the number to be higher. Let's assume people are being honest in the survey, because otherwise, we can just say that the real number is whatever we feel like it being.
2. Repressed memories are unprovable and modern psychiatry has learned they are totally unreliable; with the right prompting, you can get someone to "remember" anything and convince themselves it's as real as a genuine memory. Case study after case study has shown this.

 

[lil thotty]

can we just get over the part where we pretend that other kiwi farms posters are boomer 1.0 conservatives because i dont think very many of them post here

1. "Gaming disease" is just a formal recognition of gaming addiction; you know, like those chinks who starve to death because of WoW? It having a separate entry is just political shit (which is stupid), like how "sex addiction" used to be an entirely different thing called nymphomania. It's stupid when politics influences the medical world, but it doesn't suddenly mean a doctor or psychiatrist is equal to a guy in the pub. On your later note: "smoking cigarettes" isn't in the DSM, addiction is. If you are a tobbaco addict, you are suffering from addiction. If you smoke once or twice a week, you aren't (although that's still pretty unhealthy). You don't seem to be very familiar with how psychiatry works.

Yes, you can deconstruct anything and it's only as valuable as the sum of its parts. And obviously our current modern understanding of psych is absolutely the gold standard of truth compared to those idiot psychs from 50 years ago even though we change everything about the dsm every 4 or 5 years.

2. I don't object to homosexuals getting "conversion therapy" on their own; it's statistically shown to be ineffective at best and psychologically damaging at worst, but adults can make their own decisions. My concern with gay conversion therapy is people being coerced or forced by their family into it, especially minors.

i think everyone is worried about minors being forced to do something but having things put in their butt is probably worse than bible camp unless someone also puts something in their butt at bible camp

3. The reason homosexuality isn't considered a mental illness is because it doesn't fit the basic framework of what defines a mental illness; deviance, dysfunction, distress, and danger. Behavior generally has to fit into three of those four before it's considered a mental illness. Homosexuality is somewhat deviant, but most homosexual sex acts are also things heterosexuals practice; sometimes with greater frequency. The dysfunctional aspect of homosexuality is easily attributed to outside people's reactions to homosexuality instead of an inner state (if you get fired because you're gay, that's not your fault). Generally-speaking, homosexuals aren't distressed by their attraction to the same sex. And homosexual behavior isn't inherently dangerous.

um, a lot of people are definitely distressed and conflicted inside about being gay or bisexual. that's why "coming out of the closet" is a trope that exists & a lot of people make a big deal about it. even people who face no even perceived social consequence or often conversely even social admiration from it commonly display this. you said it's deviant yourself so there's #2. and by any metric participating in homosexual sex acts leads to significantly increased risk of sexual diseases due in part to the increased likelihood of blood contact in anal sex, and the significantly higher average lifetime partner counts of gay people. it also led to the proliferation (maybe creation) of one of the most destructive diseases of our lifetime only a few decades ago. it may be edgy for me to say this on a forum but it's not for doctors and insurance adjusters.

there's 3 right there? hm maybe the D's of abnormality is just a shit tier concept?

1. I could very well assume that the study you're citing selected from

I'm pretty sure it's the only study on the topic, that's why I asked where you got the statistical evidence that you said you based your opinions on.

or had methodological errors, or that people felt pressured to answer a certain way because I want the number to be lower

Is this an assumption you're making or a specific criticism of this study? I don't think there's any evidence for this.

"In interviewing with 35 lesbian women in alcoholic recovery, 16 (46%) re-
vealed sexual abuse, even though they were not asked about sexual abuse (Hall,1996)."

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/55efa8b5e4b0c21dd4f4d8ee/t/58b4de34be65947fa341bdf8/1488248372994/ContentServer+(84).pdf

or had methodological errors, or that people felt pressured to answer a certain way because I want the number to be lower; just like you seem to want the number to be higher.

as I said, I think it's safe to say that more people would not be forthcoming about prior childhood sexual trauma than people who would feel pressured or for any other reason make up a false claim on a survey. There's a pretty strong body of evidence supporting my claim that child molestation victims are often not forthcoming about or don't speak out about their abuse, we can get into that if you really want I guess. Figured it was common sense tbqh.

Repressed memories are unprovable and modern psychiatry has learned they are totally unreliable; with the right prompting, you can get someone to "remember" anything and convince themselves it's as real as a genuine memory. Case study after case study has shown this.

nobody was talking to or coaching the participants it was a survey handed out in college classes in california

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

what the fuck happened to this god damned thread

 

[Ceiling Kitten]

what the fuck happened to this god damned thread

Spoiler: Why do you ask when you already know the answer?

:autism:

 

[AF 802]

I think the troon-child abuse works differently though. 53% of mothers of troon children have borderline personality disorder, for instance https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2016237

I would think that troon mothers (specifically, the ones that force troon rather than the kid) are usually bipolar I, since this is the kind of shit you'd see in this with that disorder with the reasoning I mentioned. Though, BPD does make sense too.

 

[lil thotty]

what the fuck happened to this god damned thread

feels meets reals

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

feels meets reals

Nah, I just decided that this thread's been derailed enough about something that wasn't the topic, but whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[AvocadoToast]

It's an old one that was probably discussed earlier in the thread but I found it browsing my bookmarks and it's still horrifying.

https://archive.is/vQ1UT

The first time we knew that Henry was different, she was 2. When she found her cousin’s Barbie doll, she lit up like a Christmas tree. “The hair, Mama,” she cooed. “Look at her looong hair!” Henry continued to show us, in every way she could, that she wanted to live as a girl. This was new territory. What do you say when your 3-year-old boy asks to be Rapunzel for Halloween? In our house, you say yes. So began a long journey: Elsa socks one day. A sparkly shirt the next. Soon, she was growing her hair out and loving nail polish and tutus.

A 2 year old liked a doll's hair. BOOM THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO, HE IS A GIRL! Don't let these moronic parents of ''trans children'' tell you their kids were dysphoric, and that it's not just about clothing and shit.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

How do people not see this as thinly veiled gay conversion therapy?

 

[Menhera-Chan]

It's an old one that was probably discussed earlier in the thread but I found it browsing my bookmarks and it's still horrifying.

https://archive.is/vQ1UT


A 2 year old liked a doll's hair. BOOM THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO, HE IS A GIRL! Don't let these moronic parents of ''trans children'' tell you their kids were dysphoric, and that it's not just about clothing and shit.

What do you do when your kid wants to be rapunzel for Halloween? Let them do it at home. But in public make them act socially acceptable.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

What do you do when your kid wants to be rapunzel for Halloween? Let them do it at home. But in public make them act socially acceptable.

If a kid wants to be Rapunzel for Halloween, tell them "you're probably going to get laughed at", but if they're so stubborn, let them do it. Either way, it'll teach them a lesson.

 

[Kosher Dill]

If a kid wants to be Rapunzel for Halloween, tell them "you're probably going to get laughed at", but if they're so stubborn, let them do it. Either way, it'll teach them a lesson.

I'd be worried about the exact opposite - love bombing from Extremely Woke Individuals. "What a brave girl you are!!"

 

[lil thotty]

Nah, I just decided that this thread's been derailed enough about something that wasn't the topic, but whatever helps you sleep at night.

My post was about the parents of transgender kids, specifically that I believe that the mothers of these children are often mentally ill & I speculated on a possible shared link between childhood trauma and homosexuality with the transgender child phenomenon.

I'm not the one trying to derail on topic posts by strawmanning people as mike pence conversion camp electricity-bigots, and dumb reacting posts while stating that I base my opinions off of statistics that I've never looked at & dismissing studies for poor methodology which I never read the third sentence of the introduction of. That's all feels, no reals my dude.

Just under half of gay men self report being molested as children and just over half of transgender children have mothers with borderline personality disorder. It may not be the same kind of trauma, but I believe the link between childhood trauma and both groups needs further exploration which sadly will not happen in the current social and political climate.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I don't believe in the 'being molested makes dudes gay' theory, but let's suppose it's true. I don't see them as comparable.
The gay man becomes gay because of childhood trauma.
The transgender child because transgender not because of the trauma of having a mentally ill mother, but because the mentally ill mother is making them do it.
If you want to argue 'well pedos touch little boys specifically to make them gay', I still don't see them as comparable. I don't think the majority of these women specifically want their child to be transgender. Either it's a side effect of them being crazy--which seems much more likely to have been true in 1991--or it's because they want attention, which is more likely to be true in 2018.