Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Tookie]

Luke waking up in a cave is more reminiscent of Arthur than it is of Gandalf. But the idea of Luke-as-Arthur and doing a whole Fisher King parallel and turning Kylo Ren into Mordred is way too good for Disney Star Wars ever to attempt it.

Basing the Sequel trilogy on the later Arthurian myths would have been a great idea, but that would have required advance planning instead of scattering "mystery boxes" around.

 

[Chester Rigby]

AAAAAAAAND THE EXPECTATIONS HAVE BEEN SUBVERTED ONCE AGAIN!

https://news.avclub.com/rian-johnson-and-daniel-craig-are-making-a-murder-myste-1828802309

Spoiler: Article text

RIAN JOHNSON AND DANIEL CRAIG ARE MAKING A MURDER MYSTERY

Now that Rian Johnson’s disrupted the Force of Star Wars fans with his excellent The Last Jedi, the filmmaker is now preparing to piss off yet another fanbase: Agatha Christie loyalists. Deadline reports that Johnson has recruited Daniel Craig for a contemporary murder mystery entitled Knives Out. The original script was born out of Johnson’s love for Christie’s mysteries, and Craig will play a detective fashioned in the mold of Christie’s Hercule Poirot.

According to Deadline, the project’s creation was something of a perfect storm. Johnson wrote it this past summer, hoping to squeeze the film’s production in before regrouping with Disney to direct a new trilogy in the Star Wars universe. Craig’s involvement is a direct result of the delay of James Bond 25, which has been postponed due to the recent departure of director Danny Boyle.

“I have been a huge fan and always wanted to work with him and as I worked on the script, trying to get it right, (longtime producing partner) Ram (Bergman) and I were wringing our hands over who could be the detective,” Johnson told Deadline. “Then, serendipitously, we heard Daniel might have a small window, and it worked out. He’s an actor of extraordinary range, and we are looking forward to the fun of finding that modern detective, and collaborating with Daniel on creating a new Poirot.”

Johnson and Bergman are eschewing the traditional studio route with the film, choosing instead to start their own independent company with the help of CAA Media Finance and FilmNation, ensuring that they maintain ownership of the film. They’ll be at the Toronto International Film Festival this week to ink deals with distributors. Production will reportedly commence in November.

Knives Out sounds like it’ll hearken back to Johnson’s quirky breakout Brick, which set established noir tropes against the milieu of a modern-day high school. That should be music to the ears of those who miss the scrappier days of Johnson’s career, as well as those who swear by Craig’s early, grittier roles in Road To Perdition and Layer Cake.

EDIT: So... Hercule Poirot won't have a mustache this time?

 

[Creep3r]

that would have required advance planning instead of scattering "mystery boxes" around.

"It Just Works" - Todd Howard JJ Abrams

 

[Mola Ram]

AAAAAAAAND THE EXPECTATIONS HAVE BEEN SUBVERTED ONCE AGAIN!

https://news.avclub.com/rian-johnson-and-daniel-craig-are-making-a-murder-myste-1828802309

Spoiler: Article text

RIAN JOHNSON AND DANIEL CRAIG ARE MAKING A MURDER MYSTERY

Now that Rian Johnson’s disrupted the Force of Star Wars fans with his excellent The Last Jedi, the filmmaker is now preparing to piss off yet another fanbase: Agatha Christie loyalists. Deadline reports that Johnson has recruited Daniel Craig for a contemporary murder mystery entitled Knives Out. The original script was born out of Johnson’s love for Christie’s mysteries, and Craig will play a detective fashioned in the mold of Christie’s Hercule Poirot.

According to Deadline, the project’s creation was something of a perfect storm. Johnson wrote it this past summer, hoping to squeeze the film’s production in before regrouping with Disney to direct a new trilogy in the Star Wars universe. Craig’s involvement is a direct result of the delay of James Bond 25, which has been postponed due to the recent departure of director Danny Boyle.

“I have been a huge fan and always wanted to work with him and as I worked on the script, trying to get it right, (longtime producing partner) Ram (Bergman) and I were wringing our hands over who could be the detective,” Johnson told Deadline. “Then, serendipitously, we heard Daniel might have a small window, and it worked out. He’s an actor of extraordinary range, and we are looking forward to the fun of finding that modern detective, and collaborating with Daniel on creating a new Poirot.”

Johnson and Bergman are eschewing the traditional studio route with the film, choosing instead to start their own independent company with the help of CAA Media Finance and FilmNation, ensuring that they maintain ownership of the film. They’ll be at the Toronto International Film Festival this week to ink deals with distributors. Production will reportedly commence in November.

Knives Out sounds like it’ll hearken back to Johnson’s quirky breakout Brick, which set established noir tropes against the milieu of a modern-day high school. That should be music to the ears of those who miss the scrappier days of Johnson’s career, as well as those who swear by Craig’s early, grittier roles in Road To Perdition and Layer Cake.

EDIT: So... Hercule Poirot won't have a mustache this time?

Maybe they'll subvert expectations by having the hero never solve the mystery and the killer is found out only after he gets away with it and fucks everyone up. You know, like The Name of the Rose except fuelled by pure exceptionalism instead of postmodernism.

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

the filmmaker is now preparing to piss off yet another fanbase

Why is that considered a good thing? Instead of obsessing over pissing off "the right people", maybe make a movie people would actually want to watch instead?

 

[Flexo]

Maybe they'll subvert expectations by having the hero never solve the mystery and the killer is found out only after he gets away with it and fucks everyone up. You know, like The Name of the Rose except fuelled by pure exceptionalism instead of postmodernism.

Hm. I may have to rewatch name of the rose. I remember liking it but may have been too young a bot to see the postmodernism.

 

[Ruin]

Why is that considered a good thing? Instead of obsessing over pissing off "the right people", maybe make a movie people would actually want to watch instead?

Because they don't see their movies as entertainment they see them as just another vector for pushing their propaganda.

 

[SuperSheep]

As for the title of episode IX, the previous 3rd trilogy movies went with "Re- of the [Faction]".

Maybe The Rebirth of the Jedi? Rebirth of the Force? I'm hesitant to use either of those, given that Jedi and Force are both used previously in said trilogy.

 

[BScCollateral]

Hm. I may have to rewatch name of the rose. I remember liking it but may have been too young a bot to see the postmodernism.

I always thought it was more about mindsets; medieval faith versus modern rationality and the paradox that it is possible to follow a false chain of logic to a correct conclusion.

 

[JohnDoe]

As for the title of episode IX, the previous 3rd trilogy movies went with "Re- of the [Faction]".

I found the leaked title crawl.

 

[Flexo]

As for the title of episode IX, the previous 3rd trilogy movies went with "Re- of the [Faction]".

Maybe The Rebirth of the Jedi? Rebirth of the Force? I'm hesitant to use either of those, given that Jedi and Force are both used previously in said trilogy.

Reign of Girls

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Maybe they'll subvert expectations by having the hero never solve the mystery and the killer is found out only after he gets away with it and fucks everyone up. You know, like The Name of the Rose except fuelled by pure exceptionalism instead of postmodernism.

There was more to that movie than Sean Connery walking around scowling? That and the fat guy whipping himself is all I remember about it.

 

[Mola Ram]

Hm. I may have to rewatch name of the rose. I remember liking it but may have been too young a bot to see the postmodernism.

To be fair I dont remember how much made it into the movie. The book is soaked with it, in a good way.

 

[Flexo]

There was more to that movie than Sean Connery walking around scowling? That and the fat guy whipping himself is all I remember about it.

Really? Christian Slater and Ron Pearlman are in it too! (also some tits)

To be fair I dont remember how much made it into the movie. The book is soaked with it, in a good way.

I don't care much for postmodernism but ancient investigation styles (medeval csi if you will) do fascinate me. That's why i hate Russell Crowe's Robin Hood so much.

 

[Mola Ram]

Really? Christian Slater and Ron Pearlman are in it too! (also some tits)

That part with Christian Slater was the most graphic sex scene in a mainstream movie I can remember seeing until I was in college. Eesh. Also, Ron Perlman did his usual "I'm a way better actor when I'm wearing 30 pounds of makeup" thing.

I don't care much for postmodernism but ancient investigation styles (medeval csi if you will) do fascinate me. That's why i hate Russell Crowe's Robin Hood so much.

The investigation is only a small part of it, really. Most of it is devoted to philosophy and medieval heresies. It's really pretty fascinating; one of my favorite books. The postmodernism shows up in deliberate lack of resolution -- Bernardo Gui, for instance, packs up his inquisition and moves on after he finds some heretics, instead of getting satisfyingly massacred like he does in the film.

And would you be hating that version of Robin Hood because of the "Nottingham" screenplay? That's one of the great tragedies of modern film. I keep hoping the original version was sufficiently different from what they made that someone will eventually get around to making what it was intended to be.

 

[BScCollateral]

To be fair I dont remember how much made it into the movie. The book is soaked with it, in a good way.

My problem with the film is that it thinks it's a murder mystery in a monastery, which is probably the least interesting part of the book.

 

[Mola Ram]

My problem with the film is that it thinks it's a murder mystery in a monastery, which is probably the least interesting part of the book.

Fair enough criticism, but after reading it I realized everything except that was probably unfilmable.

 

[Zaryiu]

As for the title of episode IX, the previous 3rd trilogy movies went with "Re- of the [Faction]".

Maybe The Rebirth of the Jedi? Rebirth of the Force? I'm hesitant to use either of those, given that Jedi and Force are both used previously in said trilogy.

Revenge of the Matriarchy?

 

[Flexo]

Also, Ron Perlman did his usual "I'm a way better actor when I'm wearing 30 pounds of makeup" thing.

Hey now! Be careful about dissing Hellboy there.

The investigation is only a small part of it, really. Most of it is devoted to philosophy and medieval heresies. It's really pretty fascinating; one of my favorite books. The postmodernism shows up in deliberate lack of resolution -- Bernardo Gui, for instance, packs up his inquisition and moves on after he finds some heretics, instead of getting satisfyingly massacred like he does in the film.

My problem with the film is that it thinks it's a murder mystery in a monastery, which is probably the least interesting part of the book.

I may give it a chance to prove me wrong but for me the murder mystery is way more engaging. That could also just be that by this point so many books seem stuffed with philosophical digressions I just find their mixing in with fiction tiresome (if I want philosophy, I'll ready a philosophy book).

And would you be hating that version of Robin Hood because of the "Nottingham" screenplay? That's one of the great tragedies of modern film. I keep hoping the original version was sufficiently different from what they made that someone will eventually get around to making what it was intended to be.

Yes! That one! What makes me even angrier is that the part actually sounds perfect for Russell Crowe as I could see him playing a sheriff in a medieval CSI. Indeed he would be my first pick for that role. But no, we got something super generic instead something possibly really innovative and engaging. Between that and Last Jedi, it just looks like the last few years are nothing but disappointment.

 

[Mola Ram]

Hey now! Be careful about dissing Hellboy there.

I was actually thinking of when he played Vincent in "Beauty and the Beast." But his performance as Hellboy rather reinforces my point.

I may give it a chance to prove me wrong but for me the murder mystery is way more engaging. That could also just be that by this point so many books seem stuffed with philosophical digressions I just find their mixing in with fiction tiresome (if I want philosophy, I'll ready a philosophy book).

It's Umberto Eco, so the philosophy is more the point of the book than the investigation and murder mystery. It's really a sui generis kind of thing, and I think whoever bought the film rights probably did it without reading it, and probably strangled an intern when they finally did.

Yes! That one! What makes me even angrier is that the part actually sounds perfect for Russell Crowe as I could see him playing a sheriff in a medieval CSI. Indeed he would be my first pick for that role. But no, we got something super generic instead something possibly really innovative and engaging. Between that and Last Jedi, it just looks like the last few years are nothing but disappointment.

Ya know what sucks about that? Rumor is that Crowe is the one who insisted on a more generic film, because he thought the original version was too boring and not enough of a star vehicle for him. No idea if that's true, but it would hardly be the first time an idiot actor fucked up a film behind the scenes.