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Even when SJW Marvel makes a good character through sheer luck, they immediately run them into the ground by putting them everywhere in sight in order to parade their success.
Here's a moment that I find sad & funny, but it was an instance where Magic was trying to pander to minorities, and STILL disappointed & angered them.
http://hopelessly-vorthosian.tumblr.com/post/150118966965/kaladesh-you-break-my-heart

I'm sure there are plenty of would-be-fans that the comics are trying to pander to who might feel the same way even if they aren't being heard right now. (Could swear I saw someone complain about Kamala once but honestly can't be sure it wasn't a troll.)
 
Even when SJW Marvel makes a good character through sheer luck, they immediately run them into the ground by putting them everywhere in sight in order to parade their success.
See Robbie Reyes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Rider_(Robbie_Reyes)

Great 1st run, 2nd run ruined by crossover shit and canceled:
https://bamsmackpow.com/2017/03/20/marvel-cancels-ghost-rider-fifth-issue/

Now he's on team books instead of Solo and they're changing his powers. I could sperg but I'll stop here.
 
Here's a moment that I find sad & funny, but it was an instance where Magic was trying to pander to minorities, and STILL disappointed & angered them.
http://hopelessly-vorthosian.tumblr.com/post/150118966965/kaladesh-you-break-my-heart

I'm sure there are plenty of would-be-fans that the comics are trying to pander to who might feel the same way even if they aren't being heard right now. (Could swear I saw someone complain about Kamala once but honestly can't be sure it wasn't a troll.)
That's the chief reason I see to never pander: you will never, ever do it right.

I, as a white male, will do it wrong because I'm a white male. If I fill my work to the brim with minorities, I'll get accused of one of them being a token, or not portrayed right, or appropriating their struggle. If I don't, then I'm literally murdering them by not including them. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. So why bother?
 
Question is, given how much Marvel comics is in the red at the moment, what are the odds of disney just saying "fuck this" and ordering a bunch of firings and a quiet settlement in order to avoid another PR nightmare?

conversely what are the odds of them going into a panic at the idea of their golden MCU goose getting star-wars'd and pouring everything into protecting marvel?

/sigh... okay look... We need to explain a few things regarding what everyone thinks of as "Marvel Comics". There is No Marvel Comics. There is Marvel Entertainment, which is the division out of New York that includes the comic publishing arm, and Marvel Studios, which make the billion dollar movies.

Marvel entertainment is the New York operation that is run by Ike Perlmutter. It includes the comic publications. It also includes the licensing and merchandising arms for all Marvel IP and the TV production arm. The new comic publication business is doing exceptionally poorly. But alongside the billion dollar movies, the Merchandising is booming. Marvel toys have achieved "Evergreen" status on toy aisle shelves. This is a special designation which means a given toy line has earned a permanent place on the shelves, unrelated to a media tie in or a cyclical release schedule. Barbie is an Evergreen product. Star Wars is an Evergreen product. Of comic book stuff normally only Spider-Man and Batman had that status. Not even Superman has it, although he is a frequent cycle. Transformers are one that has been around awhile and finally largely achieved the status. Marvel's stuff has been edging up. They have had Spider-Man as evergreen since the 70's. But everything else was come and go. Finally Iron Man made it to the show. Then between Black Panther and Guardians 2 the dam seemingly broke and their whole line is pretty well permanent. Hasbro's Marvel Action figures have supplanted their Star Wars toys as the top draw.

Marvel Enterprises also controls the TV shows including the successful and fully funded Netflix shows, and is getting subsidized by the new upcoming Disney Streaming Service.

So Marvel Enterprises is NOT in the red. In fact Ike Perlmutter is much happier. He was at heart a toy maker. He owned Toy Biz prior to acquiring Marvel in the most amazing stroke of luck and balls in human history. Every toy sold pays them. Every pair of Groot Underoos. Every Iron Man Bed sheet or Black Panther night light. At this point the comics division is not simply a rounding error on Disney's spreadsheets. They are a rounding error on Marvel Enterprises. They can't shit can the comic book division for the look of the thing. But Ike is literally Scrooge McDuck an insane penny pinching miser (Marvel Employees must supply their own office supplies including toilet paper!) So he's not throwing money at them. Thus they are the unwanted step children at Christmas Dinner. Nobody is throwing them out, but nobody is feeding them. Marvel Comics are a loss leader just so they can say they still have a comic company. Heck the even sadder thing is as the old farts get fed up with the Purple Haired Screaming Snowflakes currently contaminating the comic industry. They tend to fall back on the things they love, and rebuy all the old classic stories. The good stuff. From the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's In digital form. See where this is going?
 
/sigh... okay look... We need to explain a few things regarding what everyone thinks of as "Marvel Comics". There is No Marvel Comics. There is Marvel Entertainment, which is the division out of New York that includes the comic publishing arm, and Marvel Studios, which make the billion dollar movies.

What used to be called Marvel Comics Group, and was then called Marvel Publishing, Inc., and is now called Marvel Worldwide, Inc., is a publishing company with an imprint called Marvel Comics. "Marvel Comics" does exist, but not as a corporate entity. The corporate entity is Marvel Worldwide, Inc., and it is owned by Marvel Entertainment, which is in turn owned by The Walt Disney Company.

Thus they are the unwanted step children at Christmas Dinner. Nobody is throwing them out, but nobody is feeding them.

This is the reason dangerhair lunatics have been allowed to run amok. Nobody cares. It's not threatening income.

That doesn't mean they're liked. It just means the giant dragon doesn't care enough to eat them.

If they actually become a nuisance or cause bad PR or (((Ike Perlmutter))) just has to hear shit about these idiots, I think the Mouse might be more pissed at the people who caused the mess than the guy who filed some suit or made some FTC complaint. At least there's a chance of that. I'd love to see it happen. I'm just not betting on it.

If the comic books cat ladies are off on a frolic of their own, Disney is not going to back them up.
 
What used to be called Marvel Comics Group, and was then called Marvel Publishing, Inc., and is now called Marvel Worldwide, Inc., is a publishing company with an imprint called Marvel Comics. "Marvel Comics" does exist, but not as a corporate entity. The corporate entity is Marvel Worldwide, Inc., and it is owned by Marvel Entertainment, which is in turn owned by The Walt Disney Company.

It's basically a department. One that is barely tolerated for the look of the thing.
 
As SFDebris pointed out in his history of comics series, this used to be a staple of MARVEL comics. To sum up, there for quite awhile (80s-early 90s I think) they would have the main hero of a book be taken out of commission. Have a replacement come on for a few issues, build some interest, then bring back the original and take the replacement off to his own book and adventures. (example: Thunderstrike)

That sounds backwards to me. I would have though team books would be the best place to introduce new characters. Since teams are constantly changing they could appear, have a few stories, and then either disappear or be shoved into the background if they don't work.

Marvel Comics are a loss leader just so they can say they still have a comic company.

I disagree there. Being a loss leader implies that you're taking the hit to stay in the lead, rise in the ranks, or otherwise set yourself up for success in the long run. eg. Sony making a loss per game console sold in order to make money back on games and subscriptions. Marvel comics is losing money AND losing ground to nobodies talking shit on their sofa.

This is why I don't buy the "Marvel comics is a testing ground for movie characters." argument. If it were, it wouldn't be diversity o'clock. There'd be some diversity characters and stories sure, but we'd also see wall to wall insanity and weird auteur passion projects. Look at any other medium when creators are given free reign will little concern about budget or profit. You know, the exact kind of stuff we've not seen coming out of the big 2.
 
This is why I don't buy the "Marvel comics is a testing ground for movie characters." argument. If it were, it wouldn't be diversity o'clock. There'd be some diversity characters and stories sure, but we'd also see wall to wall insanity and weird auteur passion projects. Look at any other medium when creators are given free reign will little concern about budget or profit. You know, the exact kind of stuff we've not seen coming out of the big 2.
I don't buy it either but to be fair to that theory, it's more about extending the life line for having movies titled "IRON MAN" and "CAPTAIN AMERICA" then a testing ground for new ideas. RDJ can't do it forever so get some Disney Channel kid to play Riri Williams and we can totally have an Iron Man 4-6 to cash in on the name without recasting? Just say something about "Diversity" as that's super popular these days.

On the other hand, barely any of it is usable like how they've openly admitted the Captain Marvel movie is going to borrow little from their Captain Marvel comics and it'll be really bad for any of these new creators and characters to get the spotlight. Could imagine one of them getting interviewed followed by their political rants becoming highly publicized.
 
That sounds backwards to me. I would have though team books would be the best place to introduce new characters. Since teams are constantly changing they could appear, have a few stories, and then either disappear or be shoved into the background if they don't work.
Those tend to never be true headliners, the characters with the most staying power and popularity tend to be solo books, all the classics started out as solo books or side characters in solo books, with almost zero exception.

I disagree there. Being a loss leader implies that you're taking the hit to stay in the lead, rise in the ranks, or otherwise set yourself up for success in the long run. eg. Sony making a loss per game console sold in order to make money back on games and subscriptions. Marvel comics is losing money AND losing ground to nobodies talking shit on their sofa.

This is why I don't buy the "Marvel comics is a testing ground for movie characters." argument. If it were, it wouldn't be diversity o'clock. There'd be some diversity characters and stories sure, but we'd also see wall to wall insanity and weird auteur passion projects. Look at any other medium when creators are given free reign will little concern about budget or profit. You know, the exact kind of stuff we've not seen coming out of the big 2.
You're still thinking about it in terms of comics alone, you need to expand your scope to see the bigger picture, Marvel is an entertainment company now, their biggest products can theoretically be made with zero input from the comics, comics only serve to create two things: Characters and Character designs, those are the building blocks to a toyline, a movie or a TV show, which incidentally are Marvel's main products now.

They need mannequins for whatever project they're planning. So a good plot doesn't matter here because they either don't need more than a blurb on the back of a toy box, or they will have to radically change it anyways to adapt to TV/Films.

I don't buy it either but to be fair to that theory, it's more about extending the life line for having movies titled "IRON MAN" and "CAPTAIN AMERICA" then a testing ground for new ideas. RDJ can't do it forever so get some Disney Channel kid to play Riri Williams and we can totally have an Iron Man 4-6 to cash in on the name without recasting? Just say something about "Diversity" as that's super popular these days.

On the other hand, barely any of it is usable like how they've openly admitted the Captain Marvel movie is going to borrow little from their Captain Marvel comics and it'll be really bad for any of these new creators and characters to get the spotlight. Could imagine one of them getting interviewed followed by their political rants becoming highly publicized.
You said you disagree, but then you just provided the evidence that it really is about creating and testing characters (or to be more precise, character outlines and designs).

What the SJWs actually want is to push the suits in the diversity route by giving them only woke characters, but they don't realize is that they pretty much will cut the entire woke out of the character to make something that sells, for all of Brie Larson's posturing and public idiocy, we both know that everything about the character was changed to sell tickets, this won't be Carl Manvers. It will be a version of Carol Danvers that isn't quite the classic, but isn't the pixie cut version either.
 
A-log alert. So I saw a minor anti comicsgate small fry 'comic maker' (AKA He makes a terrible indie comic nobody likes and the only reason he has any sort of popularity is because he sucks off the right anti-cg people) on the weekend and apparrently I'm 6 degrees of separation from this guy via friends.

Apparrently, he talks about how 'people want him dead for making comics' and is always going on about CG in the real world at the local comic shop which I find hilarious. He's also got the soy beard and fupa to match.

This is Zach's sworn enemies. Fat pathetic wastes of spaces who can't help but sperg out about him even when they're not online. I'd say Ya Boi got into their heads.
 
You said you disagree, but then you just provided the evidence that it really is about creating and testing characters (or to be more precise, character outlines and designs).

What the SJWs actually want is to push the suits in the diversity route by giving them only woke characters, but they don't realize is that they pretty much will cut the entire woke out of the character to make something that sells, for all of Brie Larson's posturing and public idiocy, we both know that everything about the character was changed to sell tickets, this won't be Carl Manvers. It will be a version of Carol Danvers that isn't quite the classic, but isn't the pixie cut version either.
Oh no, I didn't mean it like that. What I was saying is the people who argue that idea aren't arguing "a testing ground new ideas" as in whatever new concept some hipster has been toying with, they're arguing that they're testing ways to artificially extend the MCU through new actors doing the same roles. As in having a Riri so you can do the exact same Iron Man movies as the first 3 without having to recast for Tony Stark.

I don't actually think that's what's going on, it's easier to believe the new writers are just idiots. Most of the theory is based around the wishful thinking from people bragging about those characters being the best thing ever if only they get into the MCU or some writers who are desperate for movie deals. These characters haven't had much marketing outside the comics as marketing continues to push the classics outside cases like Miles Morales, redubbed "Kid Arachnid", being marketed as Spider-Man's sidekick. That doesn't mean Tom Holland's Peter is going to be beaten to death in a movie to bring in Miles Morales as a replacement.
 
A-log alert. So I saw a minor anti comicsgate small fry 'comic maker' (AKA He makes a terrible indie comic nobody likes and the only reason he has any sort of popularity is because he sucks off the right anti-cg people) on the weekend and apparrently I'm 6 degrees of separation from this guy via friends.

Apparrently, he talks about how 'people want him dead for making comics' and is always going on about CG in the real world at the local comic shop which I find hilarious. He's also got the soy beard and fupa to match.

This is Zach's sworn enemies. Fat pathetic wastes of spaces who can't help but sperg out about him even when they're not online. I'd say Ya Boi got into their heads.

Practice Ya Boi's little cough and next time your around him just do it a few times and see if you can get him to sperg out just because you coughed in a similar way.
 
Practice Ya Boi's little cough and next time your around him just do it a few times and see if you can get him to sperg out just because you coughed in a similar way.

I think he'd probably have a mental shut down if he realised I was doing a Zach impression or gave any hint I support D&C. I'm a non white woman and theoretically higher on the progressive stack than him.

I might just try to slip in Its Ya Boi into conversation...But oddly my friend seemed upset when I told them I'd seen his comic and it sucked. They were all 'He's a nice guy! Blah blah'. But nice guys doesn't mean it's a good comic dammit.
 
Just saw this on front page of the guardian and managed to cringe myself into a blackhole

http://archive.is/nUjAW
Comicsgate is the latest front in the ongoing culture wars
JA Micheline
Unless comics creators adopt a zero tolerance approach to racism and misogyny, this abuse of power by ‘fans’ will never end
Tue 11 Sep 2018 03.00 EDTLast modified on Tue 11 Sep 2018 03.09 EDT
bbb46f29f84bfc54d2d9e9a8ccb861c4715b02a0

‘Comicsgate is, well, it’s exactly what it sounds like: Gamergate but comics.’ Photograph: Pau Barrena/AFP/Getty Images
For those who haven’t been following the latest front of the ongoing culture wars, Comicsgate is, well, exactly what it sounds like:Gamergate but comics. In 2014, the Washington Post described Gamergate as “a proxy war for a greater cultural battle over who belongs to the mainstream”, and that description, four years later, remains perfectly adequate to describe its comics iteration.

Many will tell you that the movement began with the 2017 rise of Richard C Meyer, a Twitter user who amassed a platform largely based on denouncement, derision and disrespect of marginalised industry professionals, as well as their advocates – typically by co-opting marginalised rhetoric to reposition himself and others like him as victims.

Meyer said in April to the Daily Beast, “is that I believe there’s people who have basically weaponised their status and they’ve been put to this gatekeeper position because they’re unassailable because of their trans status.” Of course, months earlier, Meyer and his thousands of followers had made it their mission to virulently misgender and personally insult trans creators and critics on the grounds of their being trans.

It’s a boring but familiar tactic, one that draws a through-line from the relatively small western comics industry to the national and international stage. The results of both the Brexit referendum and the 2016 US presidential election relied heavily (if not, solely) on the narrative of white loss and the tears of the white working class – while conveniently eliding the needs of working-class people of colour and what they stood to lose.

How can such events be combated? How can they be undone? But these are the wrong questions. Merely combating or undoing Comicsgate, Brexit, and the flourishing of American fascism is not enough.

A shutdown of Meyer’s Twitter account – and the account of his accomplice, former DC Comics artist Ethan Van Sciver – would not prevent some new equivalent arising in their stead any more than either a soft Brexit or an outright cancellation would prevent some new iteration taking its place. It is all well and good to impeach (and imprison) Donald Trump, but his mere removal from office would not dismantle that which allowed him to exist. We must ask how we undo or outright destroy the conditions that permitted these outcomes in the first place; we must ask and subsequently address how we arrived here.

While Comicsgate in its current form may be attributed to Meyer and Van Sciver, the movement has largely been given leave to exist for years by the very same people who have seen fit to decry its actions in recent weeks. Despite what the latest flood of Twitter statements from white male comics creators would have you believe, when it comes to issues of marginalisation, their preferred tactic is silence, and a hope that this will all just blow over.

Marginalised readers, critics and creators have made painstaking efforts to highlight the disrespect they receive both on the page and off it, but so long as a white male comic creator is at fault, the rest of their peers have nothing to say. In my personal experience, carefully remarking on the anti-black themes of a comic by two rather prolific white comics creators will land you: (1) three days of nonstop Twitter harassment, (2) some odd mix of aggression and passive-aggression from one of the creators himself, and (3) the fascinating absence of comment and utter dismissal as a cog in the “outrage machine” from the same people who would like to tell you today that black people are welcome in comics.

That was July 2015, two years before most people had heard of Meyer and three before most comics creators had anything to say about the mistreatment of marginalised people. Rather than rejecting racism, misogyny, queerphobia, transphobia, or ableism outright, creators and editors simply shrug or, at best, claim that these issues are being handled in private – and indicate to the wider public in the process that racism, misogyny and the like absolutely willbe tolerated.

Until they and other industry personnel take a zero-tolerance approach to abuses of power from within their own houses, Comicsgate will never truly die. Brexit and Trump are no different. The passivity of well-meaning white Britons and white Americans with regards to racism and xenophobia in their everyday lives indicated to a less-savoury segment of the population that their aggression would go unchecked.

If you want to prevent the next Comicsgate, Brexit or Trump, here are some suggestions: rather than claiming you support marginalised people, rather than stating that you are against the principles of a nebulous enemy, demand better of your peers, demand better of yourself, and demand it in public. Amplify the voices of marginalised people discussing issues within your community. Intercede when a peer is responding in a hostile fashion towards those discussions. Set a standard for public and communal discourse. Do not tolerate the dismissal or disrespect of your marginalised colleagues. Do not tolerate the dismissal or disrespect of marginalised strangers. And in every environment, no matter how uncomfortable: hold the line.
• JA Micheline is a freelance writer of prose, comics, and criticism


Yup. Brexit, Drumpffff (who btw IMPEACH AND IMPRISON NAO!) and some guy on youtube calling zero-sale woke comics stupid are all part of the same evil bigot conspiracy and unless people in the industry shriek "NAZZIII! YOU AM NAZIIII!" at them even louder they will take over, and also calling somebody whining about how comics are a hate crime
 
I think he'd probably have a mental shut down if he realised I was doing a Zach impression or gave any hint I support D&C. I'm a non white woman and theoretically higher on the progressive stack than him.

I might just try to slip in Its Ya Boi into conversation...But oddly my friend seemed upset when I told them I'd seen his comic and it sucked. They were all 'He's a nice guy! Blah blah'. But nice guys doesn't mean it's a good comic dammit.

I have a friend that probably is similar to this guy except his is a webcomic that's god awful but people praise it all the time. I think he's finally started working on a paper comic too, guessing it's going to be garbage but I wouldn't tell him that just cause I do like the guy.

Funny thing is this guy is all about being progressive and stuff when he was the one of us that would say "nigger" all the time to be edgy and funny when we were younger and I'd just look at him like he was retarded for doing it, not that I cared that he said it just that it was such zero-effort thing to do for a laugh. It's one of those things that make me think most of these people act the way they do as a form of repentance for being "that guy" when they were younger.

Hell I've even heard him say some chick was "a cunt" within the last year as well, thought he did kinda say it in a hushed tone like he was afraid somebody he didn't want to hear it would hear him say it. I know he runs around on Tumblr now too but I honestly think he does that to shill his web comic and really doesn't buy into it as much as he acts like online.

He posted a Tim Doyle Twitter post on his Facebook a few weeks back that was obviously about CG but didn't straight up mention it. I almost filled him in on how much of a shit Doyle is but I bit my tongue cause I really didn't feel like getting into that fight with him. Oh and he's a fan of Assigned Male too... so yeah.

I'm pretty much expecting sometime within the next year or so for somebody to decide he did a wrong think and for them to start coming for him. When that happens I'll laugh my ass off at him, do a "I told you so" and give him a hug. Cause dude is still my friend even if he did fall in with the crowd of idiots, I still know he means well and just got played.
 
Just saw this on front page of the guardian and managed to cringe myself into a blackhole

http://archive.is/nUjAW
Comicsgate is the latest front in the ongoing culture wars
JA Micheline
Unless comics creators adopt a zero tolerance approach to racism and misogyny, this abuse of power by ‘fans’ will never end
Tue 11 Sep 2018 03.00 EDTLast modified on Tue 11 Sep 2018 03.09 EDT
bbb46f29f84bfc54d2d9e9a8ccb861c4715b02a0

‘Comicsgate is, well, it’s exactly what it sounds like: Gamergate but comics.’ Photograph: Pau Barrena/AFP/Getty Images
For those who haven’t been following the latest front of the ongoing culture wars, Comicsgate is, well, exactly what it sounds like:Gamergate but comics. In 2014, the Washington Post described Gamergate as “a proxy war for a greater cultural battle over who belongs to the mainstream”, and that description, four years later, remains perfectly adequate to describe its comics iteration.

Many will tell you that the movement began with the 2017 rise of Richard C Meyer, a Twitter user who amassed a platform largely based on denouncement, derision and disrespect of marginalised industry professionals, as well as their advocates – typically by co-opting marginalised rhetoric to reposition himself and others like him as victims.

Meyer said in April to the Daily Beast, “is that I believe there’s people who have basically weaponised their status and they’ve been put to this gatekeeper position because they’re unassailable because of their trans status.” Of course, months earlier, Meyer and his thousands of followers had made it their mission to virulently misgender and personally insult trans creators and critics on the grounds of their being trans.

It’s a boring but familiar tactic, one that draws a through-line from the relatively small western comics industry to the national and international stage. The results of both the Brexit referendum and the 2016 US presidential election relied heavily (if not, solely) on the narrative of white loss and the tears of the white working class – while conveniently eliding the needs of working-class people of colour and what they stood to lose.

How can such events be combated? How can they be undone? But these are the wrong questions. Merely combating or undoing Comicsgate, Brexit, and the flourishing of American fascism is not enough.

A shutdown of Meyer’s Twitter account – and the account of his accomplice, former DC Comics artist Ethan Van Sciver – would not prevent some new equivalent arising in their stead any more than either a soft Brexit or an outright cancellation would prevent some new iteration taking its place. It is all well and good to impeach (and imprison) Donald Trump, but his mere removal from office would not dismantle that which allowed him to exist. We must ask how we undo or outright destroy the conditions that permitted these outcomes in the first place; we must ask and subsequently address how we arrived here.

While Comicsgate in its current form may be attributed to Meyer and Van Sciver, the movement has largely been given leave to exist for years by the very same people who have seen fit to decry its actions in recent weeks. Despite what the latest flood of Twitter statements from white male comics creators would have you believe, when it comes to issues of marginalisation, their preferred tactic is silence, and a hope that this will all just blow over.

Marginalised readers, critics and creators have made painstaking efforts to highlight the disrespect they receive both on the page and off it, but so long as a white male comic creator is at fault, the rest of their peers have nothing to say. In my personal experience, carefully remarking on the anti-black themes of a comic by two rather prolific white comics creators will land you: (1) three days of nonstop Twitter harassment, (2) some odd mix of aggression and passive-aggression from one of the creators himself, and (3) the fascinating absence of comment and utter dismissal as a cog in the “outrage machine” from the same people who would like to tell you today that black people are welcome in comics.

That was July 2015, two years before most people had heard of Meyer and three before most comics creators had anything to say about the mistreatment of marginalised people. Rather than rejecting racism, misogyny, queerphobia, transphobia, or ableism outright, creators and editors simply shrug or, at best, claim that these issues are being handled in private – and indicate to the wider public in the process that racism, misogyny and the like absolutely willbe tolerated.

Until they and other industry personnel take a zero-tolerance approach to abuses of power from within their own houses, Comicsgate will never truly die. Brexit and Trump are no different. The passivity of well-meaning white Britons and white Americans with regards to racism and xenophobia in their everyday lives indicated to a less-savoury segment of the population that their aggression would go unchecked.

If you want to prevent the next Comicsgate, Brexit or Trump, here are some suggestions: rather than claiming you support marginalised people, rather than stating that you are against the principles of a nebulous enemy, demand better of your peers, demand better of yourself, and demand it in public. Amplify the voices of marginalised people discussing issues within your community. Intercede when a peer is responding in a hostile fashion towards those discussions. Set a standard for public and communal discourse. Do not tolerate the dismissal or disrespect of your marginalised colleagues. Do not tolerate the dismissal or disrespect of marginalised strangers. And in every environment, no matter how uncomfortable: hold the line.
• JA Micheline is a freelance writer of prose, comics, and criticism


Yup. Brexit, Drumpffff (who btw IMPEACH AND IMPRISON NAO!) and some guy on youtube calling zero-sale woke comics stupid are all part of the same evil bigot conspiracy and unless people in the industry shriek "NAZZIII! YOU AM NAZIIII!" at them even louder they will take over, and also calling somebody whining about how comics are a hate crime
That's what I adore about these articles, always "Why comic creators need to put a foot down on misogyny and racism!" and never dealing with the objective fact their industry is going into the toilet. Then we can all pat ourselves on the back and say how it was inevitably going to die, it couldn't be stopped, when they purposely speed towards that cliff.

It's like dealing with a friend/relative who's dying of some addiction except instead of cocaine, they're addicted to fat black lesbians.

At least it's funny to watch tho.
 
That sounds backwards to me. I would have though team books would be the best place to introduce new characters. Since teams are constantly changing they could appear, have a few stories, and then either disappear or be shoved into the background if they don't work.

Team-up books were a popular way to get initial issues off the ground. At his height, Spider-man was literally showing up in almost everybody's book to help sell it. Still, it doesn't matter that it sounds backwards, it's the way Marvel comics was doing things for the time.

On the other hand, barely any of it is usable like how they've openly admitted the Captain Marvel movie is going to borrow little from their Captain Marvel comics and it'll be really bad for any of these new creators and characters to get the spotlight. Could imagine one of them getting interviewed followed by their political rants becoming highly publicized.

You're still thinking about it in terms of comics alone, you need to expand your scope to see the bigger picture, Marvel is an entertainment company now, their biggest products can theoretically be made with zero input from the comics, comics only serve to create two things: Characters and Character designs, those are the building blocks to a toyline, a movie or a TV show, which incidentally are Marvel's main products now.

You both need to think of something else: copyrights. I was talking to someone else once and he pointed out that a lot of the classic comic characters are old enough to be entering public domain. Now I'm not sure how detailed are the rights on these characters whether it has to be the medium the character appeared it or anything involving it. If the former, then the comics have to keep publishing otherwise any studio could start making Iron Man movies...

One infamous rule known to fans is that if DC ever stops publishing the original watchmen, it reverts back to Alan Moore (hence why they're always keeping the book in print). Just imagine if some writer or artist from back in the day suddenly regained the rights to Guardians of the Galaxy...
 
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