Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

Don’t know who made it but I found it:
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And there goes the “ITS A SCAM!!!! REEEEEEE!!!” argument. It was a nice attempt tho:
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https://twitter.com/DiversityAndCmx/status/1044263360991293440 https://archive.fo/unvW0

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https://twitter.com/AgreeOrUrRacist/status/1044257478375026693. https://archive.fo/E6Q8i
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This white supremacist is very tanned:
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Also we’ve all been fooled:
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https://twitter.com/diversityandcmx/status/1044261646083018752
From the thread:
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EDIT:
Apparently one of my suspicions was confirmed:

Marvel’s Sana Amanat Admits to Using Stan Lee to Fight Comicsgate
John F. Trent September 24, 2018
Marvel’s VP of content and character development Sana Amanat recently appeared on Reveal, a radio show and podcast created by The Center for Investigative Reporting and RPX, where she claimed Marvel used Stan Lee to fight against Comicsgate late last year.

Reveal host Al Letson specifically asks Amanat about Comicsgate and how Marvel deals with the “victims” of Comicsgate criticism. Their discussions begins around the 43:00 minute mark.

Amanat answers:

“A lot of the way that we deal with those kinds of situations, and I’m not HR, is specifically internal. I have had conversations with the women who have been victims of this. I’m a victim of it, and I’ve been dealing with it since I joined Marvel. I think it’s really more about making sure that we create a safe space for them to be able to feel like they can talk about the issues that they have. We are not trying to further the public face in this. I think it’s important they have privacy and that their name isn’t smeared and continued to be smeared. The more that we repeat it, the more that people will pay more attention and have a bigger target on their backs. And we want to make sure that they are safe.”​

Amanat then goes on to explain how Marvel Comics responded to Comicsgate. She specifically notes that they used Stan Lee to address Comicsgate:

“In terms of how the industry responded, we knew the best way for Marvel to respond to something like this was having the legacy of Marvel, Stan Lee, say something and he did.”​

Letson then plays a clip of Stan Lee’s message to fans from October 2017.

Stan would declare in that video:

“Marvel has always been and always will be a reflection of the world right outside our window. That world may change and evolve. But the one thing that will never change is the way we tell our stories of heroism. Those stories are groomed for everyone regardless of their race, gender, religion, or color of their skin. The only things we don’t have room for are hatred, intolerance, and bigotry.”​

Amanat would go on to discuss why they used Stan:

“His soapboxes, his letters columns were all about the concept of equality and being good to one another and caring for one another and the importance of these values and inserting them in our heroes.”​

She would add:

“He realized the importance of responding to it and we had a great video of him trying to encourage our fans to be positive, and stop saying hateful things.”​

After confirming they rolled out Stan Lee to fight against Comicsgate, Amanat would address the actual criticism of Marvel’s recent crop of books specifically that their more diverse titles were financial failures.

“I’d say rats to that. That’s not true at all…No, I don’t think that’s true at all. I think that yes some books succeed, some books fail, and if that happens it has nothing to do with the fact that it’s a brown character. It has to do with the fact that we have to make sure that we one, our audiences get excited about the stories and we know that these characters can have a further impact because we are telling our audiences, our readers, look there is every kind of hero out there. You are reflected in our pantheon of heroes.”​

However, back in March of 2017, Marvel’s Vice President of Sales David Gabriel actually stated:

“What we heard was that people didn’t want any more diversity. They didn’t want female characters out there. That’s what we heard, whether we believe that or not. I don’t know that that’s really true, but that’s what we saw in sales. We saw the sales of any character that was diverse, any character that was new, our female characters, anything that was not a core Marvel character, people were turning their nose up against. That was difficult for us because we had a lot of fresh, new, exciting ideas that we were trying to get out and nothing new really worked.”​

Gabriel would issue a correction after the story was published and was highly criticized by a number of people in the media:

“Discussed candidly by some of the retailers at the summit, we heard that some were not happy with the false abandonment of the core Marvel heroes and, contrary to what some said about characters “not working,” the sticking factor and popularity for a majority of these new titles and characters like Squirrel Girl, Ms. Marvel, The Mighty Thor, Spider-Gwen, Miles Morales, and Moon Girl, continue to prove that our fans and retailers ARE excited about these new heroes. And let me be clear, our new heroes are not going anywhere! We are proud and excited to keep introducing unique characters that reflect new voices and new experiences into the Marvel Universe and pair them with our iconic heroes.​

We have also been hearing from stores that welcome and champion our new characters and titles and want more! They’ve invigorated their own customer base and helped them grow their stores because of it. So we’re getting both sides of the story and the only upcoming change we’re making is to ensure we don’t lose focus of our core heroes.”

And in fact, the overall industry saw a decrease in sales between 2016 and 2017 from an estimated $1.085 billion in 2016 to $1.015 billion. ICv2’s John Jackson Miller placed the blame for the decreased sales on a “lackluster response to new periodical offerings and consequently, graphic novel sales.”

Following a disappointing 2017 which saw Marvel pushing its “Secret Empire” storyline which turned Steve Rogers aka Captain America into a Hydra-loving Nazi agent as well as a linewide reboot with Marvel Legacy, they hired a brand new Editor-in-Chief C.B. Cebulski in November to try and right the ship.

What do you think of Sana Amanat admitting to using Stan Lee to fight against Comicsgate? Do you think Gabriel was speaking the truth when he noted their sales on “diverse” titles were down?
The audio and time stamps thanks to @You Promised:
The Reveal radio show/podcast aired an episode investigating the alt-right and the current culture war in comics. And it made Tess Fowler "stress cry":
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Reveal - Never Meet Your (Super) Heroes, Sep 22 2018
Episode link | Mp3 link

52 minutes in duration, timestamps from the Mp3 version:
01:44 - Vox Day
16:28 - Chuck Dixon
24:22 - Chelsea Cain
37:40 - Harassment, then Sana Amanat
 
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People with blockchains scared of getting trolled, :story::
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Here’s a tip, turn off the screen or go protected mode.
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The most amusing thing about this is Mags showing a police officer tweets calling him a “man in a wig” and the officer either not caring or agreeing.
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If it’s out there on public display why am I having a hard time finding it from any CG accounts?
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Mags neglects to mention that CG’s worst actors donated a combined $24K to charity involving cancer research, lgbt+ suicide hotline support and retired comic pro support.

https://twitter.com/magsvisaggs/status/1043994425175801856 https://archive.fo/U0DMK

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You can literally taste the salt flowing from Brian and Chelsea. “I’m not being trolled, you’re being trolled!!!!” Much projection itt.

Chelsea Cain is very butthurt she was thrown out of the comics industry and, while trying to blame Marvel & CG, knows it was her shit comic and work product. Not many of her garbage supporters/SJW/Feminists wanted to buy her shit comic. If there was a market for SJW comics they’d be selling well and CG wouldn’t be effective.

However, they all fucking know the bulk of comic buyers align with CG. That’s what’s really upsetting and terrifying them.
 
Imagine my shock...
That's why it's going to be sad when he dies and everyone goes on about "he meant so much to us!" while pushing their "In memory of Stan Lee" books you know they have prepared. Meanwhile they ignored the elderly guy who's life has been going to shit outside when they could use him to "win" an internet argument.

"Tragic"
 
That's why it's going to be sad when he dies and everyone goes on about "he meant so much to us!" while pushing their "In memory of Stan Lee" books you know they have prepared. Meanwhile they ignored the elderly guy who's life has been going to shit outside when they could use him to "win" an internet argument.

"Tragic"

I hope they're proud of themselves for exploiting a dying, abused man.
 
Apparently one of my suspicions was confirmed:

Marvel’s Sana Amanat Admits to Using Stan Lee to Fight Comicsgate
It's like these sick fucks have no ethical-moral restraints whatsoever. Using an over 90-year-old man who was heavily abused as a mouthpiece to gain brownie points in an Internet war because he was a pop culture icon is the most exploitative and manipulative shit imaginable.
 
At the risk of :powerlevel: and a-logging, I work around the elderly and nothing makes my blood boil more than seeing them being used/manipulated by entitled cunts who would sooner start fighting over inheritance rights than actually spend time with the old bastards.

And this isn’t just any old man, this is Stan fucking Lee, a living legend.
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(My favorite pic of him)

The part that pisses me off the most about this is how the moment he dies, some fuckhead at Marvel will be marketing the shit out of his death for the next few weeks after his passing. And the industry will start faking giving a shit about Stan Lee, when they didn’t give a fuck about him when all that crazy ness was going on a couple months back:
Dead silence from almost all the heads at Marvel. I remember no more than 5 professionals from Marvel ever mentioning Stan Lee’s abuse and most of them were retired. They (the current shitheads) only mention him when he’s useful to them.

Just watch how quickly the bring out the ‘In Memoriam’ Variant covers for all their comics. I’ve had a sneaking suspicion they’ve had them ready for at least a couple of years now. I can picture some fuck head getting an erection when Stan finally croaks.


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Remember this lady?:
“...If you or someone who has experienced harassment of any kind first-hand...”
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“Yeah I’m not looking for your input only from women in the industry, thanksies.”
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What does this all mean?
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Yep.

Also she went protected mode, probably to protect her narrative:
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“Oh right, *sigh* I should at least attempt to be objective or else the piss babies will get pissy”:
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Reminder:
She finished her article:
Comicsgate: Inside the comic book industry’s civil war
by Shaun Stacy 4 hours ago Follow @slayerangel78

Comic book industry professionals are facing off against each other in a heavy, no-holds-barred debate over diversity in comics and freedom of speech.
I first fell in love with comic books when I was a socially awkward, pre-teen who’s parents moved around a lot. My parents weren’t in the military, we just had to relocate every so often because things kept getting messed up. Adult things that I didn’t understand at the time, outside of them fighting a lot. Truthfully, the first comic I picked up was an issue of Avengersduring Operation: Galactic Storm, but the X-Men ended up being my favorite characters. Their adventures didn’t just provide me an escape, they gave me hope. Hope that there were strong female characters able to hold their own and not depend on anyone or anything to save the day. Hope that no matter how different you might be from other people, you will find the family you belong with. I remember hearing people say that comic books the “male version of soap operas,”which made me feel even more awkward about my love for them. However, that was almost twenty years ago and things have definitely changed.

If you tried explaining the debate currently surrounding Comicsgate to someone not familiar with the industry, they would look at you like you were insane (believe me, I tried). Comicsgate states that diversity in comic books, both as characters and creators, have destroyed the industry at the hands of so-called SJW’s (social justice warriors, a term I fiercely despise), taking particular aim at people of color and/or LGBT individuals. On the other side, we have basically everyone who is just trying to put out the best comic books possible, regardless of what characters look like or who they are. It’s 2018, I’ve had friends of color and different orientations my entire life, and I even live in the Deep South, so it boggled my mind that someone would feel so strong about not including more minorities in comic books that they would resort to hurling sexist, homophobic, transphobic and racially-charged insults across the internet. I wanted to learn more about what made each side tick, surely there was something that I was missing, this whole mess couldn’t be just over diverse characters, right? So, I started at the beginning.

Comicsgate was a a term officially coined in June 2017 when a group of female Marvel employees took a group selfie, each one with a milkshake in hand, as a toast to the recently departed Flo Steinberg, one of the first female publishers at Marvel. Since we all know that the internet can be used for both good and evil, angry fanboys took to Twitter to denounce the very idea that women worked at Marvel. The women, including Heather Antos, at the time a Marvel editor, were called “fake geek girls” and “the creepiest collection of stereotypical SJWs anyone could possibly imagine.” One woman was even singled out as being “the ‘false rape charge’ type,” as a reminder that sometimes people suck beyond the telling of it. It only got worse from there.

Comicsgate is seems to be spearheaded by two particularly volatile individuals, Richard C. Meyer who uses the ironic handle Diversity & Comics, and Ethan Van Scriver, a comic book illustrator. Their basic mission statement was that female, POC and LGBT characters and creators were destroying the industry with their more progressive ways, thereby pushing out the views and feelings of tried and true fanboys. The sad truth is, they had no problems getting plenty of people to follow them.

The online harassment continued, taking aim at openly transwomen creators Lilah Sturges (Lumberjanes) and Magdalene Vissagio, both award-winning and critically-praised comic book industry professionals. The group also took aim at several writing veterans like Gail Simone (Domino) and Chelsea Cain (Mockingbird), who were outspoken about the way female characters have been treated over the. Cain actually ended up leaving social media for a few months following the online harassment she received following her work on her Mockingbird series, with fanboys claiming she was “ruining” their favorite character with “feminist crap.” Comicsgate even took aim at Neil Gaiman, who spoke out in support of Marvel’s recent decision to hire Eve Ewing to be the writer for the new Ironheart ongoing series. Comicsgaters claimed that the celebrated poet, playwright and college professor was not qualified and not deserving of the position since she didn’t have any prior experience writing comics. Gaiman hadn’t either, although angry fanboys went on to debate him on when his own career started.

If you’re wondering if there are any women at all on the side of Comicsgate, the answer would be yes. Mindy Wheeler, another comic book illustrator and former comic shop owner, has apparently been harassed due to being an outspoken supporter of Comcisgate, as well as Donald Trump. On her YouTube channel, Wheeler has posted multiple videos in regards to her stance on various situations. She has stated that “SJW projects are killing the industry” and advises viewers to “stick to their morals.” Wheeler also state that feminism is fine to have, but it needs to be without emasculating the male characters. While she has a point in standing up for what you believe in, that’s pretty much what this country was built on, her views on feminism and particularly trans creators leaves a lot to be desired.

Speaking from experience, when I took to Twitter to find women in the comic book industry who had experienced harassment of any kind, on either side, I was met with some of the ugliest responses I have ever seen. I was accused of already being biased because I write for a female-themed superhero site. I was rapidly harassed about not taking someone’s word for something someone else had experienced. The majority of the women on Comicsgate side who had experienced harassment were wives and significant others of male professionals who had partaken in the harassment of others. While on the anti-Comicsgate side, most women were afraid to speak up for fear of even more harassment. Several male professionals in the industry did come forward, on both sides, to tell stories about things they had heard women experience, mostly death and rape threats. Following my investigation, Van Scriver apparently dragged me through Kiwi Farms, an underground chat room (which I thought only men who still lived with their mom used anymore), for daring to speak out against him.

In the age of the #MeToo movement, Comicsgate seems to be hiding behind freedom of speech, to deliver their message of essentially white supremacy masochism to the masses. We all know how well that worked out the last time an organization did that. For the record, I don’t think that diversity is killing the comic book industry. I think that the comic book industry has adapted to appeal to wider audience that includes more minority characters in order to survive. It used to be that most superhero teams had one token female character or one token black character, but that wasn’t a reflection of the world anymore. Real world representation is important in any industry, but especially to those in the comic book medium, especially given that the recent success of both Wonder Woman and Black Panther have brought attention to characters, and fans, who have long been under-served in the comic book industry.
If Comicsgate was an organization who simply strive to make quality comic books, without the online harassment of others, it wouldn’t be so bad. We all want quality comic books, but there’s a way to go about doing that without having to prove you’re better or more successful than the next guy. Let’s face it, in a post-MCU world, you’re really not making that much bank unless you’re attached to a movie deal. I have faith that the comic book industry will endure this latest crisis of faith. Intolerance and bigotry have no place in an industry based on acceptance and showcasing what makes someone different, instead of making them feel like they should be ashamed of it. Several sources have indicated that an environment in which people are subject to abuse feel supported and don’t have to be afraid to speak out and that comic book pros with big audiences need to denounce harassment themselves. And awkward pre-teens will never give up on something that gives them hope.
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I always wonder how will everyone feel about all of this happening in 10 - 15 years later ?
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"Wow, I just created the cure for cancer and solved world hunger. To think, this might not have been possible had people listened to Comicsgate as I'd never be inspired by America Chavez. My wife and I might've ended up dollar store whores instead of the first lesbian couple to have 30 Nobel Prizes between us."

They then enter their teleportation machine to make it home to Neo-Wakanda, the new homeland for former black Americans and other marginalized groups. It was recognized as a new nation by our first female Muslim president.
 
That is just their expectations in reality they just be in some dead end job and complaining about it on twitter or whatever twitter equivalent by then if twitter dies out like myspace.
Edit - But seriously what will it be like in the later years?
It will never die out. Jack Dorsey has created the world's first perpetual drama generator, the usage of which causes serotonin to bind with the brain's faggot receptors of its userbase, resulting in posts like:
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Where grown ass adults use the Internet Hurt Machine to broadcast how the other person using the Internet Hurt Machine, who has never heard of or spoken with them, has hurt them. 172 other adults clicked on a heart icon, indicating their approval of this behavior.

This is the new reality.
 
I do honestly wonder where all these peripheral media assholes will end up after they have burned every single bridge.
Homeless and on welfare.
They can only stay relevant now because their friends run everything.
Incidentally one of the main points of CG.
 
I always wonder how will everyone feel about all of this happening in 10 - 15 years later ?
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In 10-15 years, I think the pro-CG side will view it the same way gamers viewed Gerstmanngate and Giant Bomb before they went full SJW. As a historic example of the corruption of game journalists, and the catalyst that started something great. If pro-CG can stick the landing, they will likely join the greats, while all who stood against them will be forgotten.

I do honestly wonder where all these peripheral media assholes will end up after they have burned every single bridge. They can only stay relevant now because their friends run everything.

In Gamergate, the likes of Leigh Alexander and Tale of Tales died, and they stayed gone. Zoe Quinn and co. keep running to other mediums, but many of them stuck around as they always seem to have connections and favours no matter how many bridges they burn.
 
Only in 2018 would we have people defending sending asshole pics to former coworkers and applauding it as brave. That decency line is getting moved further and further away every day.

Political "debate" in 2018 is shitting your pants while screeching your opponents names, and then thinking smugly to yourself "Boy, I'll bet THEY feel really dumb right now for what I just did!"
 
"Wow, I just created the cure for cancer and solved world hunger. To think, this might not have been possible had people listened to Comicsgate as I'd never be inspired by America Chavez. My wife and I might've ended up dollar store whores instead of the first lesbian couple to have 30 Nobel Prizes between us."
This was almost literally the plot of some comic that Comics Zack reviewed :lol:
 
It’s almost like you’re proud about being listed with violent psychopaths, a literal sexual harasser, a fat millionaire who could barely crowdfund his comic, a lady who just loves the attention, an unfunny cat lady and multiple #MeToos just waiting to happen:
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https://twitter.com/ErikJLarsen/status/1044325390221594624 https://archive.fo/lrYNf
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It’s almost like CG doesn’t care what politics someone follows or something?
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https://twitter.com/ErikJLarsen/status/1044327218724319234 https://archive.fo/mVQFV

Erik just make porn, you know you want to and you don’t need to justify it. Just don’t sperg out when you can’t sell it:
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https://twitter.com/ErikJLarsen/status/1043981311206076416 https://archive.fo/kOLbr
This was almost literally the plot of some comic that Comics Zack reviewed :lol:
It reminds me of this:
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