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It's a little worse since she isnt just a adrenaline junkie, she's full blown sadist.

This would be a really great bit of character and would really flesh her out, especially if she's terrified of that part of herself and was actively trying to supress it. All kinds of plot points where she has to second guess herself whenever she has to use viilence. But the idea of Marvels big sjw push being a deeply flawed person won't pass. Which is a real shame considering that's origionally what made Marvel heroes stand out over their DC counterparts-they where dumb flawed people.
Captain Marvel has been a bad character for a long time now and could possibly have gone this route prior to the Disney acquisition, but i think we now have to take in the Disney equation to her writing as well. I don't think you'll ever get her character evolving into a sadist / full blown fascist (apart from terrible writing - thinking she was the good guy in her minority report fascist prison for example) it could be good character growth, but it's also not family friendly. Its clear that Disney want to push her as a new age Disney princess, despite not being fit for the role. As a 'new age' Disney princess she can have no faults or foibles of any kind, hell she won't even have to work or grow - everything will just be given to her and everybody will proclaim her to be the 2nd coming of Christ.
 
You are actually 100% correct. But not for the reasons that you think. And the SJW’s would freak out if they were ever told what is really going on there. Because it gets to the core differences between boys and girls, going back to toddler ages. And it very clearly indicates that yes these is a difference between male and female, and the comic product produced by them will by biological nature be substantially different.

Let’s step away from comics for a moment and talk about toys. We all know how the SJW’s have been claiming that there is no such thing as gendered toys. That kids are the same and boy and girls play is environmental behavior. So there should be no pink and blue toy aisles. The great claims that little boys and little girls are the same and interchangeable. And there are all sorts of “Academic Studies” supposedly claiming this. (Often Swedish). These studies are all badly funded and based on extremely small sample groups. 20-30 kids tops.

Well back in 2012 Lego, the brick people, looked at the wreckage of 25 years of failing to sell toys to girls, and decided to find out why. So they formed a research department and decided to find out how kids play. They poured tens of millions of dollars into it. Sample sizes were 10,000+. They spent 2 years researching. And then they published an internal top secret report on their findings. In 2015 Lego lent from the #3 toy maker to #1 by a broad margin. Their products were on fire. Their newly released Friends line for girls was selling faster then they could produce it. While every feminist and every media rag bitched and moaned about how horrible it was.

Now Lego’s actual reports, their research, is a top secret. An actual accurate study of how kids play is a license to print money for a toy company. It’s the secret formula. But they have spoken a little bit about their findings;

Core to what they found is past 3 or 4 boys and girls play very very differently. One of the biggest differences Lego noted was how each plays with the mini figures. Boys become the character of the figure that they are playing with. So if a boy is playing with a Spider-Man figure, he the boy, becomes Spider-Man. Girls project themselves into the figure. So any figure the girl is playing with becomes the girl. And making the character resemble themselves is important.

See where this is going. Boys take on the persona of the character being portrayed. Girls project themselves into the character and change the character to match and reflect themselves. Got that? Now go read OneManBlinds post again, keeping that core biological play instinct in mind. See the pattern? See how the same thing is occurring. And it is likely a huge part of the dissonance. Comics are at heart very much a boys form of storytelling. And while the female writers may be very good writers, stepping into that boys storytelling while telling it as a girl creates that subtle dissonance that results in the dull cardboard stories we see. They can’t help but project themselves into the toys, the characters. But that doesn’t work for comic characters. It kills them. The reader needs to be able to project the character into themselves. But nobody wants to project Kate Leth or Chelsea Cain into themselves. That way lies madness and alcoholism. But we’re not allowed to point this out because Muh Soggy Knees.
Well, yes and no.

See, a lot of modern marketing research and development is founded on a concept that was formed in the 80s referred to as Hyper-Serving the Psychographic. Which is basically a fancy way of saying "you pick a demographic that you want to cater to, create a broad psychological profile, and then pander to that broad profile x1000."

The end result was, especially with toys, was that companies developed extremely exaggerated, if effective, versions of toys that cranked up every feature to 11 - even in instances where at the core they were the exact same toy but with different visual like Polly Pocket and Mighty Max. Take your LEGO example for instance. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or several million dollars in research to understand that the reason the Friends set became popular was because girls on average are more interested in the appearance (particularly the outfits) of the figurines, so it makes sense that they would make the figurines bigger to allow for more detailed outfit options, nor that the sets are decided more mundane settings because they're also on average less interested in action. But everything else beyond that is just kind of salad dressing to the core elements, and don't really have any grand effects on the success or failure. So when The Chart Says the presence of pastries and color pink increases demographic interest by 3%, you can bet your ass a toy company is going to create 10 bakery-themed expansion packs and spray paint every single part a different shade of pink to cover the whole pink spectrum.

But the other part of this is that the key word to the above is "on average," and marketing research for entertainment is a little more complicated and overall tends to ignore deviations for the above reasons. I think a closer comparison to the current state of Marvel is when the creator of Green Lantern: The Animated Series spoke about his experience sitting in on a focus group test of the episode. While the research did find that girls were more interested in the interpersonal drama and boys were more interested in the external conflicts and fight scenes, the research also found that the presence of one did not deter the enjoyment of either demographic as the overall enjoyment and investment was extremely high by the end of the episode. Because the thing that SJWs don't get is that, while men and women on average have different tastes, the ones who do enjoy things like superheroes either aren't bothered by the elements that aren't designed to appeal to them or actively enjoy those elements.

As for what all this means for Marvel and comics, I think there's been enough bad self-insert Gary Stus being written by dudes - Gay Ice Man, Squirrel Girl being used as a thinly-veiled mouthpiece for Ryan North's uninformed opinions on cape comics, the main character in Border Town, Bendis, Lady Thor - that I don't think the core issue is as simple as "female writers are stepping into Boys Territory and their female brains can't help but insert themselves instead of focusing on characters and story." After all, there's quite a few female writers that have gone unmentioned in this thread or have been praised because they actually like the genre and their merit speaks for themselves. It's more we've gotten a large influx of hipsters of both genders who don't actually like capes, and are instead trying to turn the genre into something else that appeals to them, which in turns off the core demographic - including the women who actually enjoy cape shit.
 
As for what all this means for Marvel and comics, I think there's been enough bad self-insert Gary Stus being written by dudes - Gay Ice Man, Squirrel Girl being used as a thinly-veiled mouthpiece for Ryan North's uninformed opinions on cape comics, the main character in Border Town, Bendis, Lady Thor - that I don't think the core issue is as simple as "female writers are stepping into Boys Territory and their female brains can't help but insert themselves instead of focusing on characters and story." After all, there's quite a few female writers that have gone unmentioned in this thread or have been praised because they actually like the genre and their merit speaks for themselves. It's more we've gotten a large influx of hipsters of both genders who don't actually like capes, and are instead trying to turn the genre into something else that appeals to them, which in turns off the core demographic - including the women who actually enjoy cape shit.

Marvel's kind of hit itself with a bit of a perfect storm, they picked obscure comic "fans" who wanted to self insert themselves into the stories they were given and I am sure these stories are the greatest things ever to them rather than the very thinly veiled dross the market declares them as. So you get your Mark Waids and his screaming, childish tantrums reliving his high school years in his head where he's now the chad banging the cheerleader and shoving Jerry into the locker instead of the chubby nerd you know he was. Or hey, where Squirrel Girl should be this funny comedy comic where people ask what fucking use her powers actually are because, on paper, "The power of talking to small animals" should make her fodder for Disney Princess jokes but is instead a half baked political screed and manifesto because people like that don't understand what fun actually is. These weirdos don't "do" escapism.

That's the problem where it boils down to, people have come into comics and treated it as some sort of high fucking art form (hipsters, what did you expect?) rather than the fairly amusing 15-20 minute distraction it actually is and they don't want to do anything approaching hard work to earn their money. So way too many comics get turned into these shitty broadcast platforms about how amazingly open and tolerant they are while they live in their white suburban communities and only see Latinos and Blacks when they go get coffee.

How do we know this? You can see it from the "Sweet jesus how white are you fuckers?" bit of the "anti" side while more women and minority fans speak up about how they hate being pandered or spoken down to like that.

Meanwhile Richard C Meyer shitposts using his graphic novels by selling them on how god damn generic they are. Jawbreakers and Iron Sights are so achingly 90s TV show as to be almost painful, but they give you that wink.

That knowledge of: "Hey, hey.... c'mere. Want to just read dumb shit for an hour and escape?"
 
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If Meyer wanted to really throw some shade (and chances are his half million dollar success suggests he will) then the next project should involve some outright tank parking by having the storyline involving some nominally "woke" character like a married gay guy as the lead or something and it be the simple background moment it should be.

I recall seeing Meyer mention in one of his videos that his next book was going to be a solo book featuring one of the Jawbreakers that is gay. Maybe like a back story or something like that.
 
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It's more we've gotten a large influx of hipsters of both genders who don't actually like capes, and are instead trying to turn the genre into something else that appeals to them, which in turns off the core demographic - including the women who actually enjoy cape shit.

This is why people hate fucking hipsters and people who like things "ironically." They're only interested in surface appearances and usually both ignorant of and indifferent to any social or genre context. They're not interested in inner depths because they themselves have no inner depths. That is why any media they create is a hollow farce loathed by people who actually like that kind of media.

So you get your Mark Waids and his screaming, childish tantrums reliving his high school years in his head where he's now the chad banging the cheerleader and shoving Jerry into the locker instead of the chubby nerd you know he was.

But he still is a chubby nerd. I honestly wouldn't be shocked to find out he's a virgin with rage to this day.
 
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I just wanna know if that is all it takes to get a job at Marvel? Cause if so, give me Cuckbulski's number so i can call and pester him about how I am latino, and I should write for a Latino Marvel hero, cause representation. I have never ever written for a comic company, etc. Nor am I competent at being a writer of any genre in general, but why should that stop me?
If you do manage to get a spot, which is pretty likely because Marvel, make an Albino Latino called El Gringo.

His backstory should be that he was mocked by Mexican American children as a "white boy" and denigrated for his condition - which was actually a side effect of his powers - so he took the nickname El Gringo out of spite to prove he was more than they could ever be -- because twist on white privilege. He himself is the son of illegal immigrants, maybe, who is sick of the crime being overlooked in sanctuary cities and watching his family fear for their life out of debt to the cartel. His father becomes a despondent drunk, not abusive but perhaps regretting his choice for a "better life" and his mother has been used by the cartel -- to put it lightly. Perhaps one day they go too far and his mother dies which flips the switch. El Gringo never really forgives his father for his weakness, but takes care of him because of family... his father likely never forgives himself, either. His arch nemesis can be Sombra de la Muerte - or Death's Shadow, because Google Translate - who is a high up member of the cartel.
 
That was the second or third time she did that. I think in the first issue of her rebooted Ms. Marvel series Carol grabbed the new female MODOK "MODAM" hauled her into space and gleefully watched her die as well. Yep! The new face of the Marvel Universe is a complete Psycopath.

Is this a metaphor at the crop of people running Marvel into the ground These days?
 
So....... wow. I read it. I kept telling myself to do so with an open mind. This is somebody's fetish. There's no question in my mind that I just read several pages of someone's underage menstruation fetish porn. The very first page opens with the main character playing with tampons, even if apparently nobody's supposed to be able to have a period. It then settles down for a pretty decent few pages of family relationship stuff, then dives right back in with a bunch of pubescent girls cuffed together in a chain gang, all wearing feminist slogan shirts. There is nothing redeemable here, it's all someone's magical realm that they convinced a publisher to put on paper somehow.
 
That was the second or third time she did that. I think in the first issue of her rebooted Ms. Marvel series Carol grabbed the new female MODOK "MODAM" hauled her into space and gleefully watched her die as well. Yep! The new face of the Marvel Universe is a complete Psycopath.
You got a scan of that?
 
It then settles down for a pretty decent few pages of family relationship stuff, then dives right back in with a bunch of pubescent girls cuffed together in a chain gang, all wearing feminist slogan shirts.

Because fascists who enslave people and chain them together in chain gangs let them choose their clothing.
 
So....... wow. I read it. I kept telling myself to do so with an open mind. This is somebody's fetish. There's no question in my mind that I just read several pages of someone's underage menstruation fetish porn. The very first page opens with the main character playing with tampons, even if apparently nobody's supposed to be able to have a period. It then settles down for a pretty decent few pages of family relationship stuff, then dives right back in with a bunch of pubescent girls cuffed together in a chain gang, all wearing feminist slogan shirts. There is nothing redeemable here, it's all someone's magical realm that they convinced a publisher to put on paper somehow.
Besides the tampon plothole, I was puzzled by the girl with a shirt of that venus symbol with cat ears and whiskers....or the cat posters. It leaves a weird implication unless we're supposed to assume women want to eat their peers and/children.

I don't think women look at the people around them and their mouth starts watering at the thought of them dipped in sauce but I could be wrong.
 
Besides the tampon plothole, I was puzzled by the girl with a shirt of that venus symbol with cat ears and whiskers....or the cat posters. It leaves a weird implication unless we're supposed to assume women want to eat their peers and/children.

I don't think women look at the people around them and their mouth starts watering at the thought of them dipped in sauce but I could be wrong.
Yeah, and main character was shown wearing a headband with cat ears on it. One would think that it would be considered in extreme poor taste for someone to reference an epidemic that killed lots of people in their fashion choices. It'd be like someone dressing their kid in a turban and a t-shirt with the world trade center on it.
 
Yeah, and main character was shown wearing a headband with cat ears on it. One would think that it would be considered in extreme poor taste for someone to reference an epidemic that killed lots of people in their fashion choices. It'd be like someone dressing their kid in a turban and a t-shirt with the world trade center on it.
Nah, it's worse considering being a cat monster isn't a choice if they happen to slip through the cracks. Implies they're looking forward to it.
 

Wow! A comic book based around the horrors of menstruation. I can see that as being as popular with core comic audiences as a Harlequin Romance novel about killer zombies with machine guns who say Fuck a lot would be with that medium’s demographic.

And am I missing something here or is portraying young teenage girls who menstruate as uncontrollable monsters who need to be locked away, sorta kinda the opposite of a feminist message?

You got a scan of that?

Sadly not fully. This is the only panel I could find

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It’s from the Brian Reed Ms. Marvel 2006 run. Back then her typical approach to most problems is kill it.
 
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tl;dr: A new strain of Cat Scratch Fever causes girls to become killer were-cats, but only when they have their period. So the government puts stuff in the water to keep girls from having a visit from "Aunt Flo", but the main character discovers at the end that she's riding the crimson tide.

Aside from the nice art, this is just dumb. Go watch the classic 80's film "Cat People" instead, if you want to fulfill your fetish for ladies turning into giant man-eating cats.
 
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