Careercow Mark Waid / William Mark Waid - Comics legend turned laughingstock, SJW lunatic, Dislikes Asians, Sued for Tortious Interference, King Baby, “The Strong Protect The Weak”

Meyer V Waid - WHO WILL WIN?

  • King Baby Waid

    Votes: 18 8.1%
  • Cough Commander Meyer

    Votes: 205 91.9%

  • Total voters
    223
  • Poll closed .
My understanding is that current mainstream comics are 3 to 8 USD for a book that is 50% ads. That is not even getting into how you have to buy books from several different series to understand the story of the actual series you are reading. There has been some talk among the smaller companies of going to a manga style of releases. Where you would get a small black and white bound book akin to a manga for 8 or 9 bucks. The previous system vs. buying a $8 or 9 book that has less ads, more content, but is black and white only. As a means of giving more content to the consumer and making it easier overall to follow the plot of a series.

The current model is truly an outdated that the industry mainstream wants to keep going because of inertia. It has also been speculated that this is some of the reason for the big social justice push (in addition to various other factors lending to its rise). As a means of indirectly fucking over small companies. So some bastardized form of rent seeking instead of adapting to new market conditions.

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The whole industry seems to suffer from bloat and horrible company setup. It all just seems very rigid, in terms of company and market structure. Which may be one of the many factors that is helping cause it to crash and burn.

I remember reading an article by the Ex-Editor and Chief of Marvel about the company's current state. Now Granted, in the article he talks about Waid as being one of the best writers in comics, but one of his big focuses in regards to selling books is to go back to what worked. Stop fucking up what the creators original intent with the character was. Example he gave was Captain America being a Nazi. It's so against what the character is supposed to be and hurts fans of the series. He said Marvel should stop with the Variant covers. Back in the day? He only did them if they couldn't decide what would be the best working cover for a title, "like the marriage of Spider-Man and Mary Jane." I think the other big point he made was stop doing soap opera style stories and just tell the story you want to tell in the one book. This is last one is why I think people do a lot of comparison to manga. What people do fail to remember is manga is released in the same way comics are (being part of a story and not a whole chapter) but they tend to be release in magazines that are filled with mutiple different stories. (I'd be surprised if their arent small one issue books in Japan but most manga I hear about is released in magazines.) There are a lot of people who prefer to buy Volumes over individual issues because they get a fulfilling story arc.

I dont think the Comic Industry is dying so much as the current model of distribution and format is becoming stale.
 
What people do fail to remember is manga is released in the same way comics are (being part of a story and not a whole chapter) but they tend to be release in magazines that are filled with mutiple different stories. (I'd be surprised if their arent small one issue books in Japan but most manga I hear about is released in magazines.) There are a lot of people who prefer to buy Volumes over individual issues because they get a fulfilling story arc.

This is true. The vast majority of manga is released in magazines, then recompiled into tankobon and republished. Translations tend to be of the latter. But there's a few other points to recall: first, the people in charge are infamously ruthless about trimming the fat. There's a lot of people with a lot of ideas trying to get a spot in the magazine, and if your work isn't popular enough, they'll jettison you in a heartbeat to try something else. Second, there's very little in the way of crossovers and shared universes, so these stories can range all over the spectrum in themes, setting, etc, and don't need to be homogenized for the sake of cross-compatibility. It also means that they don't fall into the crisis crossover trap where consumers need to buy multiple entries from multiple different lines to stay up to date on what's actually happening.

tl;dr: Shounen Jump doesn't have the Disney tit to suck on, so they can't operate at a loss. As a result, unlike [current year] Marvel, they need to have non-exceptional business practices.
 
I don't know about DC's situation but from what I understand about Marvel, editors like Cebulski are overly permissive (if not downright absent) which leads to awful quality control. The direction in Marvel Comics probably think they're doing great in terms of sales, as they ship a motherload of their crappy "progressive" comics. It's up to Comic Shop retailers to sell the crap to their clients, who are letting them gather dust on shelves. The retailers are the fuses in this whole mess, as they need to pay for virtually unsellable matter. They're the first to kick the bucket.

Since Marvel earns shit from failures of titles like Ms Marvel or Captain Marvel (that they consider like their flowers nowadays) and Disney only care about Marvel Studios, they're forced to hire cheaper b-listers to continue to churn out tons of mediocre content. It's a vicious circle which contribute to cement Marvel's reputation as a liquefying company. Since the higher up have their head so far up their butts, they blame everyone else but themselves for the spectacular fall...
Can't speak for at the moment but up to a year ago Marvel almost seemed to go out of their way to screw over comic shops. I'm not naïve comics will eventually be digital only comics shops need to diversify their inventory with back issues, toys, books, etc if they want to survive. But DC lowered prices during rebirth and has a return policy unlike Marvel. Marvel also would offer variants on books but only on so many issues and if comic store owners had a subscriber who wanted it they'd have to have order them and eat the access due to Marvel's no return policy or risk driving away a steady customer in a unsteady market. Then as the Avengers are the biggest thing in Cinema they replace Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, and Thor make Cap a Nazi and killed Black Widow and then wondered why retailers where upset and chose to attack the majority over comments made by a few in frustration.
 
Can't speak for at the moment but up to a year ago Marvel almost seemed to go out of their way to screw over comic shops. I'm not naïve comics will eventually be digital only comics shops need to diversify their inventory with back issues, toys, books, etc if they want to survive. But DC lowered prices during rebirth and has a return policy unlike Marvel. Marvel also would offer variants on books but only on so many issues and if comic store owners had a subscriber who wanted it they'd have to have order them and eat the access due to Marvel's no return policy or risk driving away a steady customer in a unsteady market. Then as the Avengers are the biggest thing in Cinema they replace Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, and Thor make Cap a Nazi and killed Black Widow and then wondered why retailers where upset and chose to attack the majority over comments made by a few in frustration.
They still do, see:
The over saturation of Variant covers is also a major player in this shit heap, for an example Tony Stark: Iron Man has the absolute laziest variant cover list I’ve ever seen:
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These are the variants:
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And they did it again, although with much better art iibh with Return of Wolverine (event). With 38 covers (https://archive.fo/cPkKV):
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Variants part 1:
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At least this one has a bit more variety than just alternate costume, but 38 covers is absolutely exceptional. Part 2:
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Those are the variants available to all comic shops, these are retailer exclusive (Basically covers commissioned by comic shops):
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EDIT: fixed wrong link. Added Wolverine Variant pics.
Also this article:
Comic Book Shop Owners Get Double Shipment of Marvel’s Iceman

Basically they haven’t changed.
 
This is true. The vast majority of manga is released in magazines, then recompiled into tankobon and republished. Translations tend to be of the latter. But there's a few other points to recall: first, the people in charge are infamously ruthless about trimming the fat. There's a lot of people with a lot of ideas trying to get a spot in the magazine, and if your work isn't popular enough, they'll jettison you in a heartbeat to try something else. Second, there's very little in the way of crossovers and shared universes, so these stories can range all over the spectrum in themes, setting, etc, and don't need to be homogenized for the sake of cross-compatibility. It also means that they don't fall into the crisis crossover trap where consumers need to buy multiple entries from multiple different lines to stay up to date on what's actually happening.

tl;dr: Shounen Jump doesn't have the Disney tit to suck on, so they can't operate at a loss. As a result, unlike [current year] Marvel, they need to have non-exceptional business practices.
I wish they'd go back to how (I assume) crossovers were originally done. You have a story using all the characters that only revolves around content that happened in the story. If you want to have slight character changes out of that, explain in that specific character's issue as a quick aside what happened to make that change happen.

Example: Spider-Man has a Black-Suit. Quick aside: spider-man's costume got fucked up so he found a weird alien suit. To find out more, read Sercet Wars. If you dont care, dont worry. None of the other stuff in that book will effect this seres.

Like it's so easy. Instead you get whole Series that dont recover thanks to some random event in a crossover that had series spanning fallout and killed important characters to a series ongoing plot. I remember A-Force got fucked because of crossover. Also, some of those crossovers dont even do "tie-in" books. They're just straight up a part of the story. Like how Avengers during Infinity and lead up to Secret Wars (2016) was nothing but stories that were important to the crossover. I hate that shit.
Can't speak for at the moment but up to a year ago Marvel almost seemed to go out of their way to screw over comic shops. I'm not naïve comics will eventually be digital only comics shops need to diversify their inventory with back issues, toys, books, etc if they want to survive. But DC lowered prices during rebirth and has a return policy unlike Marvel. Marvel also would offer variants on books but only on so many issues and if comic store owners had a subscriber who wanted it they'd have to have order them and eat the access due to Marvel's no return policy or risk driving away a steady customer in a unsteady market. Then as the Avengers are the biggest thing in Cinema they replace Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, and Thor make Cap a Nazi and killed Black Widow and then wondered why retailers where upset and chose to attack the majority over comments made by a few in frustration.
I'm not wanting to start a Mavel vs DC arguement, but I know twice now DC has made a point of their books being a certain price (Normally $3) across all titles. They did it with Nu52 and Rebirth. No one wants to pay $5 for a book with the same amount of pages as its peer $3 title. Marvel also pulled some weird shit were to get rare variants of, for example, Spider-Man, you'd have to buy 100 issues of Iceman or some dumb shit. Then Marvel gets to pretend their sales numbers for the bad series are good when all your doing is ripping off your comic retailers.

Getting a little bit on topic, it seems that Marvel's SJW era of comics is starting to end and they're going things right again. They're bringing back the versions of characters people want ( Wolverine, Jean Grey, Captain America, Iron Man, Thor). They, for now, seem to have stopped just weird "movie conflict bans," like ending FF and there weird need to push Inhumans over X-Men. As much as I'd want to believe that they'll look at their dumb SJW mouthpieces like Waid and kick them to the curb, the ones that sell will probably stay around. I dont buy Mark Waid books anymore, but my friends who do still love his work so idk.
 
This is true. The vast majority of manga is released in magazines, then recompiled into tankobon and republished. Translations tend to be of the latter. But there's a few other points to recall: first, the people in charge are infamously ruthless about trimming the fat. There's a lot of people with a lot of ideas trying to get a spot in the magazine, and if your work isn't popular enough, they'll jettison you in a heartbeat to try something else. Second, there's very little in the way of crossovers and shared universes, so these stories can range all over the spectrum in themes, setting, etc, and don't need to be homogenized for the sake of cross-compatibility. It also means that they don't fall into the crisis crossover trap where consumers need to buy multiple entries from multiple different lines to stay up to date on what's actually happening.

tl;dr: Shounen Jump doesn't have the Disney tit to suck on, so they can't operate at a loss. As a result, unlike [current year] Marvel, they need to have non-exceptional business practices.

Also, the Magazines are all black and white, printed on bottom of the barrel newsprint, cost around $5 for 100 or so pages of content, ads only between the individual stories, and they come out weekly. They are there to pump out content and turn a profit.
 
Sadly this would be the distributor doing this. Diamond Comic Distributors is well known for shitty service. However, I have no doubt Marvel told them to do it since comic stores can't send them back because it would be a hit on their profits so they'll sit on the shelf.

With sunbleached unsold books filling the racks, comic book stores, the few that still exist, are starting to look like Christian Science Reading Rooms.
 
How did Sina Grace convince Marvel to bring back Iceman after such poor sales? Who even respects Sina’s work product?

Having a comic languish in a shelf or in a discount bin for months is extremely embarrassing and bad marketing.

Marvel's editorial and business decisions in general are a mystery and have been for years. Smart money would have been to turn them into glorified marketing devices for the movies so that they could actually attempt to get money from some of that new blood that was attracted to the properties, but they actually went the exact opposite way most of the time. New Iron Man movie coming out? Time to shit on Iron Man. New Thor movie coming out? Time to take his powers away and give them to a woman who isn't just cancer but has cancer. Captain America movie coming out? He's a Nazi.

While it's clear that at some point someone decided "controversy sells", they've gone way beyond trying to cause controversy and seem to be actively pushing away not only the old fans but any potential new ones, and really pretty much anyone who's not a fat androgynous transqueer dangerhair who hates white people... a demographic that is not particularly known for having a lot of money or parting with what they do have easily.
 
Marvel's editorial and business decisions in general are a mystery and have been for years. Smart money would have been to turn them into glorified marketing devices for the movies so that they could actually attempt to get money from some of that new blood that was attracted to the properties, but they actually went the exact opposite way most of the time. New Iron Man movie coming out? Time to shit on Iron Man. New Thor movie coming out? Time to take his powers away and give them to a woman who isn't just cancer but has cancer. Captain America movie coming out? He's a Nazi.

While it's clear that at some point someone decided "controversy sells", they've gone way beyond trying to cause controversy and seem to be actively pushing away not only the old fans but any potential new ones, and really pretty much anyone who's not a fat androgynous transqueer dangerhair who hates white people... a demographic that is not particularly known for having a lot of money or parting with what they do have easily.
I know exactly what they're doing, or what they're attempting to do. They're trying to make woke elementary school kids, in conjunction with the IngSoc indoctrination in schools these days. Of course they figure longtime readers with actual cash have to die sometime, and when they do, the only demographic left to buy their comics will be woke edgelord soyboys and feminist dangerhairs who will be IngSoc for life. They're trying to cultivate this theoretical demographic, assuming it's going to be the majority at some point in time, therefore all they have to do is stick it out until the last Comicsgater dies of a heart attack at age 72 and then the money will start rolling in from woke post-millennials.
 
They're trying to cultivate this theoretical demographic, assuming it's going to be the majority at some point in time, therefore all they have to do is stick it out until the last Comicsgater dies of a heart attack at age 72 and then the money will start rolling in from woke post-millennials.

But they'll all be dead long before then of being deathfat and from side effects from counterfeit Chinese mare piss pills.
 
But they'll all be dead long before then of being deathfat and from side effects from counterfeit Chinese mare piss pills.

but the old comics will be remembered because people like them for some reason or another. Things like America and the current Marvel run will be remembered but for all the wrong reasons
 
Marvel's editorial and business decisions in general are a mystery and have been for years. Smart money would have been to turn them into glorified marketing devices for the movies so that they could actually attempt to get money from some of that new blood that was attracted to the properties, but they actually went the exact opposite way most of the time. New Iron Man movie coming out? Time to shit on Iron Man. New Thor movie coming out? Time to take his powers away and give them to a woman who isn't just cancer but has cancer. Captain America movie coming out? He's a Nazi.

While it's clear that at some point someone decided "controversy sells", they've gone way beyond trying to cause controversy and seem to be actively pushing away not only the old fans but any potential new ones, and really pretty much anyone who's not a fat androgynous transqueer dangerhair who hates white people... a demographic that is not particularly known for having a lot of money or parting with what they do have easily.
Personally i think what they were trying to do was push the new characters. My best guess is they thought people would go see iron man and then go look for the comics and go “wow tony stark iron man was great but rere Williams lookes even cooler!” Of course all this was said through the paper bag they’d been huffing paint thinner in.
 
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https://www.facebook.com/mark.waid/posts/10156893647195799 https://archive.fo/T7dUK

Here’s the reason he made the lawsuit public, asspats:
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