GamerGate Events and Discussion

[Marvin]

It doesn't work like that. Stop reading Cogsdev's twitter.

How doesn't it work that way?

We don't benefit from retards making us look bad. That's silly.

I think hotwheels said it best honestly though about how over-exaggerated the 'harassment' is. "I think if you were actually scared you would have gone to the police."

Intimidation of critics. You don't need respectability to pull off a boycott of a business.

And, pray tell, what would be stopping said aforementioned trolls from immediately co-opting the same tactic for use against the new name?

Answer: Nothing.

We'd be at the same spot, with new names just as tarnished as the old, and with none of the progress. It's a foolish suggestion that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Control the name.

 

[KingofManga420]

How doesn't it work that way?

Intimidation of critics. You don't need respectability to pull off a boycott of a business.

Control the name.

They are not intimidated.

 

[Marvin]

They are not intimidated.

I've heard of a few who are intimidated.

 

[KingofManga420]

I've heard of a few who are intimidated.

Did they go to the police or did they go to their hugbox twitter and whine about being harassed before setting up a donation pool for their feels?

 

[Marvin]

Did they to to the police or did they go to their hugbox twitter and whine about being harassed before setting up a donation pool for their feels?

Heh, c'mon, you kidding me? Feeling intimidated and reluctant to critique gamergate people doesn't mean there's a binary decision between doing nothing and going to the police.

Just because I'm not literally going to get stabbed in my home doesn't mean I can't feel uneasy about speaking up.

 

[Null]

We don't benefit from retards making us look bad. That's silly.

I think hotwheels said it best honestly though about how over-exaggerated the 'harassment' is. "I think if you were actually scared you would have gone to the police."

Briannu Wu has literally done two things:

1) Tweeted with geolocation on. This provides coordinates, publicly embedded into the tweet meta data, that traces you down to a specific street.
2) Announces where she was going to be a full 24 hours ahead of time.

Either she is retarded as fuck or doesn't take things seriously as they pretend.

How doesn't it work that way?

Because you can't change the name of an entire movement. Even if you could, nothing prevents malicious Internet trolls from adopting the new name. Centralizing power under a single entity would do more harm than good because everyone disagrees with each other. If people somehow declared Internet Artistocrat to be the Supreme Leader of Not-GamerGate, then all proponents would have to do is attack Jim instead of the movement -- kind of the exact same way you're pinning responsibility of select few people who probably have nothing to do with anything on the thousands of people with pure intentions.

Basically, you are choosing to say "these random violent people represent the whole". It'd be like if saying Westboro Baptist Church represents all Christianity or if The Amazing Atheist represented all people with no belief. You are allowed to say that, but it doesn't make you any less willfully ignorant.

 

[MrTroll]

They could change their name. As it stands, they benefit from the harassers operating under the gamergate name, but without wanting any responsibility for it.

If anyone is benefiting from harassment and threats made in the name of Gamergate, it certainly isn't the vast majority of the movement that is acting in good faith.

 

[KingofManga420]

Heh, c'mon, you kidding me? Feeling intimidated and reluctant to critique gamergate people doesn't mean there's a binary decision between doing nothing and going to the police.

Just because I'm not literally going to get stabbed in my home doesn't mean I can't feel uneasy about speaking up.

That's true but they are acting crazy over it, they're acting like people are out to get them and having a gigantic paranoid episode when it was just some stupid email. They are overreacting because every Internet personality is almost assured to get a death threat at some point through email, but these people? They don't react like a normal person would.

They whine about saying how terrifying and horrible it is, it but continue doing sillier things for more attention and money.

 

[Judge Holden]

Also declaring gamergate evil/misogynist/whatever due to the actions of trolls and the conscious decision of the media to only accept one particular narrative while erasing any inconvenient facts (i.e. the women in gamergate, the far more prolific and often more serious threats sent to pro gamergate men and women) is about as intellectually honest as declaring the democrats evil due to death threats sent to Sarah Palin by anonymous fucktards and the way WND and fox news depicts the democrat base

had both sides been treated with equal respect or equal contempt by supposedly objective online/mainstream media souces, all of whom have seen a good decade of online troll shit and know damn well how dumb it is to judge whole movements by them, I doubt anyone here or most people elsewhere would care much beyond idle interest. Since one side is being consistantly and unfairly shat upon while the other is pampered to obscene levels, a lot of otherwise disinterested peeps are more willing to stand up for gamergate

 

[niggers]

Heh, c'mon, you kidding me? Feeling intimidated and reluctant to critique gamergate people doesn't mean there's a binary decision between doing nothing and going to the police.

Just because I'm not literally going to get stabbed in my home doesn't mean I can't feel uneasy about speaking up.

okay i get that but being made uncomfortable by mean things on the internet =/= harrassment

has anyone actually gotten hurt yet? i don't follow this shit too close because it's fucking stupid, but i dont think anyone has actually bled over this. or gotten raped. or robbed. or their shit vandalized.

ODDLY ENOUGH, it looks like anonymous internet shit-flinging doesn't translate to anything in the real world.

 

[Marvin]

Briannu Wu has literally done two things:

1) Tweeted with geolocation on. This provides coordinates, publicly embedded into the tweet meta data, that traces you down to a specific street.
2) Announces where she was going to be a full 24 hours ahead of time.

Either she is retarded as fuck or doesn't take things seriously as they pretend.

That's a pretty big fuckup on her part.

Because you can't change the name of an entire movement. Even if you could, nothing prevents malicious Internet trolls from adopting the new name. Centralizing power under a single entity would do more harm than good because everyone disagrees with each other. If people somehow declared Internet Artistocrat to be the Supreme Leader of Not-GamerGate, then all proponents would have to do is attack Jim instead of the movement -- kind of the exact same way you're pinning responsibility of select few people who probably have nothing to do with anything on the thousands of people with pure intentions.

Basically, you are choosing to say "these random violent people represent the whole". It'd be like if saying Westboro Baptist Church represents all Christianity or if The Amazing Atheist represented all people with no belief. You are allowed to say that, but it doesn't make you any less willfully ignorant.

You're right in that there's no perfect solution to the problem of naming. But having centralized control of a name gives you way more legitimacy in rejecting random dipshits than a decentralized name.

Also declaring gamergate evil/misogynist/whatever due to the actions of trolls and the conscious decision of the media to only accept one particular narrative while erasing any inconvenient facts (i.e. the women in gamergate, the far more prolific and often more serious threats sent to pro gamergate men and women) is about as intellectually honest as declaring the democrats evil due to death threats sent to Sarah Palin by anonymous fucktards and the way WND and fox news depicts the democrat base

had both sides been treated with equal respect or equal contempt by supposedly objective online/mainstream media souces, all of whom have seen a good decade of online troll shit and know damn well how dumb it is to judge whole movements by them, I doubt anyone here or most people elsewhere would care much beyond idle interest. Since one side is being consistantly and unfairly shat upon while the other is pampered to obscene levels, a lot of otherwise disinterested peeps are more willing to stand up for gamergate

If the trolls are sufficiently effective, they would be the real gamergaters. The sincere gamergaters would be wrong.

 

[Organic Fapcup]

okay i get that but being made uncomfortable by mean things on the internet =/= harrassment

has anyone actually gotten hurt yet? i don't follow this shit too close because it's fucking stupid, but i dont think anyone has actually bled over this. or gotten raped. or robbed. or their shit vandalized.

ODDLY ENOUGH, it looks like anonymous internet shit-flinging doesn't translate to anything in the real world.

A couple of pro-GG individuals got stuff sent in the mail. One got toilet paper and a syringe, and another got a knife with a message to kill themselves. Not outright hurt though.

 

[Judge Holden]

okay i get that but being made uncomfortable by mean things on the internet =/= harrassment

has anyone actually gotten hurt yet? i don't follow this shit too close because it's fucking stupid, but i dont think anyone has actually bled over this. or gotten raped. or robbed. or their shit vandalized.

ODDLY ENOUGH, it looks like anonymous internet shit-flinging doesn't translate to anything in the real world.

and frankly its the oh-so-convinient forgetting of the fact that its just another flamewar by anti gamergate that makes me more sympathetic to gamergate. ive seen multiple articles saying gamergate WILL KILL PEOPLE IRL FO SRS!!!!! because of the typings of fucking obvious trolls, which is the most disingenuous horseshit i have seen in a while

 

[Null]

You're right in that there's no perfect solution to the problem of naming. But having centralized control of a name gives you way more legitimacy in rejecting random dipshits than a decentralized name.

It creates more problems than it solves and nobody wants that. If people would stop being willfully ignorant about the issue it would resolve all issues. You don't play video games because you have a prohibitive medical condition, so you have no investment. When you take two sides of the coin ("video games" versus "evil murderous Internet cult") you'll go with the latter because you just don't give a fuck about games. That's how most people feel and that's the biggest thing proponents of the moment are trying to combat.

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

You know...
I'm going to say something that's not going to be popular here but maybe, just maybe, if everyone just stopped responding to Anita and these hoes they would just go away, doesn't these death threats kinda validate their cause.
I'm not saying their right, but they are feeding off any attention they're getting.

Actually I would have agreed once but... well SJWs are like scientologists in a lot of ways so as long as people dont know what they are they can collect membership and their crazy tactics are effective. Remember when scientology claimed chanology was bringing them new members in droves?

Yeah when I first encountered these guys I figured it'd be best to just ignore it, what I didn't recognize until later is that the ruling personalities use social justice as a powerful social weapon to bully others for personal gain. This has probably been going on for a long time mostly in the academic radfem community where people got trolled into taking Womens Studies courses and weren't able to do jack with that.... except for the chosen teacher's pets who could ride along all the way up to a professor's position in the department except now it's style has been expanded to other causes and even new made up ones and the pleeb pool has been extended by tumblr.

Exposing this shit means that when people hear it they don't go "fuck i hate racism" and do their best to keep an open mind and ignore red flags lest they've been subconsciously influenced by the inherently racist society they live in.

 

[Judge Holden]

A couple of pro-GG individuals got stuff sent in the mail. One got toilet paper and a syringe, and another got a knife with a message to kill themselves. Not outright hurt though.

another got "swatted" due to harassment and doxxing (which zoe quinn openly approved of on twitter) and another got the fire brigade sent to his house.

plus the fact it seems every pro gamergate woman has been sent death/rape threats for the past 2 months.

 

[KingofManga420]

If the trolls are sufficiently effective, they would be the real gamergaters. The sincere gamergaters would be wrong.

But they aren't effective at all since they have not stopped ANYONE from continuing to post. By your own logic we don't need a centralized name and group if they don't matter period.

 

[Marvin]

If people would stop being willfully ignorant about the issue it would resolve all issues. You don't play video games because you have a prohibitive medical condition, so you have no investment. When you take two sides of the coin ("video games" versus "evil murderous Internet cult") you'll go with the latter because you just don't give a fuck about games. That's how most people feel and that's the biggest thing proponents of the moment are trying to combat.

Well, I'm very skeptical because I know the type of people gamergate sources from. Sure, I have fun with them, but I sure as hell wouldn't envy someone who pissed them off, particularly when it relates to things that are important to them. (In this case, video games and women.)

I've been convinced that there are people who genuinely believe in this gamergate stuff, which is why I'm suggesting they cut off a direct connection with the trolls by getting a different name.

But they aren't effective at all since they have not stopped ANYONE from continuing to post. By your own logic we don't need a centralized name and group if they don't matter period.

Effective in co-opting the name, is what I meant.

 

[Smutley]

Intimidation of critics. You don't need respectability to pull off a boycott of a business.

Yes, you do. Gawker, Vox Media, et al, attempted their big boycott of Chic Fil-A because the owner is an old homophobe who publicly states that's what he is. The result was an absolute and total failure because a no one really believed it. They'd gotten high off of Flush Rush, and were trying to spin it off into a well oiled hate campaign and it crumpled.

That event should have been a wake-up call because it was a precursor to today's environment. To say that movements that lack respectability will flourish is absurd. If the movement doesn't have real legs, it's going to fucking fall.

 

[QI 541]

They could change their name. As it stands, they benefit from the harassers operating under the gamergate name, but without wanting any responsibility for it.

Gamergate IS the new name, actually.