Artcow Iconoclast / Jonathan Mack Sweet - The Chris-Chan of Arkansas

[Null]

Where's the edit button?

You're a lolcow and cannot edit your posts. I've fixed your post for you.

 

[CasualWhimsicott]

I'm very defensive about my work, because it's highly personal. When you attack on of my stories, you attack me, my life, my friends, my experiences and perception of events. "Better" books aren't necessarily the books I want to write. Changing my drawing style will make the work less real to me. In short, I won't sell out.

And here is why you're a shitty artist and writer. You refuse to take constructive criticism because it's "selling out." Your work is an eyesore and it truly is barf-worthy. Nobody wants to buy that. If you want to be successful, you have to sacrifice your ego. Also you think that criticism is an attack on you when it's not. An attack on you would be pointing out how much of a shitty fucking person you are, not simply saying that you have poor understanding of color theory and word balloon placement.

 

[Randall Fragg]

Consumer protection? You mean all those warnings about nut allergies on every foodstuff I buy? When did that peanut allergy stuff start, anyway? Remind me to tell you the high-school pyramid experiment story sometime.

So, what exactly is your problem with people with food allergies?
Also, do you have any actual ideas on how to fix our country if you were put in charge? You know, as a hypothetical scenario?

 

[Keerakh]

They want to have it all, but not work for it.

Took that little gem from that link he left like a fucking road apple to that dumbass board. Sounds like something he could do with reflecting on.

 

[niggers]

I had one little prick of an editor who told me a story I gave him, based on my shop experience, could be the next To Kill A Mockingbird if I would submit a total rewrite in which the "racist shopkeeper" was the villain and I extolled the virtues of the poor colored boy who steals an item from his shop. He didn't get it. It was based on my life, and I despised that kid.

are we talking like college paper editor or like real editor?

also you should read that a couple times and think about about the implications of what he said on your life because its pretty hilarious. and also consider how it reflects your writing. saying that your story could be good if it underwent a total rewrite seems like a polite way of telling you to completely change everything.

 

[Ti-99/4A]

He keeps wanting to go back to half past 1997, but I think half past 1907 might be more his speed. It's a moot point though since time travel is most likely impossible.

 

[autism420]

@The_Iconoclast
OK, maybe you aren't getting it. People were shoving pennies in your locker to make fun of you and inconvenience you. It was not done in admiration. At all.

And do you not think peanut allergies are a real thing? Seriously? Peanut reaction can be fatal.

Here's the post you linked to, I'll quote it here to spare others having to view that forum:

This generation is not only the most rude and impatient, but it seems also the sickliest. Peanut allergies, gluten allergies, lactose intolerance--how can they be so obese if they can't eat anything? I never heard the like twenty years ago. I think I mentioned before my pyramid peanut experiment back in high school--I placed one jar of peanuts under a pyramid in my bedroom closet and another in a kitchen cabinet and aged them a week, and the nuts under the pyramid tasted better. If a kid did that today the whole school would be on lockdown. Folks would be walking around wearing hazmat suits, and the young science whiz would be expelled, possibly jailed, for domestic terrorism.

I have bolded a part for emphasis - What the flying fuck are you trying to convey with this paragraph?

 

[niggers]

wait this clown went to ASU?

not like appalachian state right? like he went to some midwest college shithole right?

 

[Keerakh]

When you attack on of my stories, you attack me, my life, my friends, my experiences and perception of events.

Is this why everything you do sucks?

I have bolded a part for emphasis - What the flying fuck are you trying to convey with this paragraph?

He's trying to convey that we're all too PC and we need to let the obviously inferior people die. Forgetting the obvious fact that he's not exactly superior.

 

[The_Iconoclast]

He's just a lousy jerk who doesn't deserve our time. Also he's fat and I wouldn't have sex with him. And I bet he has a tiny penis

Yeah, I wouldn't have sex with you either, princess, and I bet your vaj smells like a dead mackerel.

Now that the immaturity is out of the way--I have no problem with people who have food allergies; I just wonder why there are so many. I wouldn't want to be in charge of the country, but if I were ombudsman at the school newspaper, I'd see to it that there was more fair and balanced reporting, better pay for the staff writers, and, for God's sake, try to get them to act like they have some sense. I know it's a state school, not Ivy League, but we had ostensibly intelligent, at least partially-educated people acting like they were trying out for Romper Room.

 

[Randall Fragg]

So, you complain that things are shitty, but don't offer any ways to make things less shitty?

 

[Null]

i'm being a lazy cunt today. can anyone describe iconoclast in one sentence?

 

[niggers]

I wouldn't want to be in charge of the country, but if I were ombudsman at the school newspaper, I'd see to it that there was more fair and balanced reporting, better pay for the staff writers, and, for God's sake, try to get them to act like they have some sense.

what kind of man would care about a school paper

that shits for the birds. literally. i use the local campus rag to line my birdcage because its free.

 

[Randall Fragg]

i'm being a lazy cunt today. can anyone describe iconoclast in one sentence?

Real true "Murican patrot who ain't gonna let the vast progressive conspiracy keep him from achieving his dream of working at the school newspaper.

 

[CasualWhimsicott]

i'm being a lazy cunt today. can anyone describe iconoclast in one sentence?

Long story short: He got banned from college for plagiarism and feels there's a massive conspiracy preventing him from making his life better. Also he thinks that criticizing his works is an attack on him because his works are extensions of himself and if he changes he'll "sell out."

 

[Hyperion]

i'm being a lazy cunt today. can anyone describe iconoclast in one sentence?

A paragon of conservatism and self reliance who blames all his woes on liberals and mooches off the dole, also he's really into farting.

 

[Ronald Gaygun]

Hey, @The_Iconoclast - I'm a journalism student in my second year of college. As a former journalism student yourself, I was wondering if you have any advice/suggestions? Also, one thing I've gotta ask, what are your thoughts on the place of print media in society as it constantly evolves and embraces new technologies? Our professors are telling us not to worry about print dying out but I'm personally a tad skeptical.

 

[Golly]

I'm very defensive about my work, because it's highly personal. When you attack on of my stories, you attack me, my life, my friends, my experiences and perception of events. "Better" books aren't necessarily the books I want to write. Changing my drawing style will make the work less real to me. In short, I won't sell out.

Pls respond...I like being civil in these threads, but I feel like the only way to get a response from you is to berate you. I may be a member of cwckiforums, but it's not in my nature to taunt people. I'd like to know that I don't have to taunt you to get you to acknowledge what I have to say.

From one sensitive person in the arts to another, I know how tempting it is to fall into this point of view. Criticism, no matter how constructive, can definitely hit you in the wrong places if you aren't prepared. It's so easy to say "Well, fuck you! You just don't understand me. You just can't appreciate my vision." I get it. This is dangerous and deadly to our crafts, though. 99% of the time, true critics, mentors, educated onlookers, what have you, just want to see you succeed and improve. And taking the steps to do so is not an admission of defeat. It's a sign of resilience and curiosity, regardless of what your skill level may be. Even Mozart had to take lessons.

"But this hoity-toity learned way isn't me. I'm original and learning will change what makes my style mine!" you might say.
Untrue. If anything, learning more about your craft will provide you with even more tools to make your style your own.

Remember when you were learning how to write in school? Discovering your personal written voice? You had to start from square one. You couldn't write down the thoughts in your head because you hadn't learned grammar. Heck, going way back, you could probably barely write capital letters. But over time, and over many English classes in many grade levels, you found a writing style and made it your own because you discovered all these fancy new language tools (metaphor, analogy, assonance, alliteration, etc). These didn't hinder your writing, though. Even though you sure as shit didn't want to go back to writing "I HAD LOTS FUN LAST WEK WITH MOMA". you didn't have to go so far as to write "Over the last half a fortnight, I had quite a delightful time with my mother." No, you picked a nice place in the middle that suited your needs and represented how you express yourself. And it's served you well. It's taken you, along with all of us, a long time to develop, though.

The same thing goes for any craft you'd like to learn. The tools you learn don't define you, how you use them does. Never mistake acquiring knowledge as a resignation of free will.

 

[RetardBus]

i'm being a lazy cunt today. can anyone describe iconoclast in one sentence?

If you want to know who he is these Skype chat logs from when I was having a conversation with Katsu about him should sum it all up pretty well.

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[12:34:28 PM] KatsuKitty: i have no idea who iconoclast is or what he is known for
[12:34:39 PM] RetardBus: He was the TJChurch before TJChurch
[12:34:59 PM] RetardBus: And he was a nutty conspiracy theorist with a shit comic who blamed all of his problems on liberals
[12:35:02 PM] RetardBus: And he called us all stupid liberals
[12:35:07 PM] RetardBus: My words alone cannot do him justice.
[12:35:14 PM] RetardBus: Read the thread for yourself if you have time
[12:35:25 PM] RetardBus: He just necro'd his own thread for the second time in a row
[12:35:51 PM] RetardBus: After having left 4 months ago and saying he was going to come back in 15 years when he had the upper hand in life and was better off than all of us
[12:37:11 PM] RetardBus: http://cwckiforums.com/threads/iconoclast.860/
[12:37:19 PM] RetardBus: The initial first encounter goes on for about 30 or so pages
[12:38:17 PM] RetardBus: This guy is like TJChurch's retarded conspiracy theorist uncle
[12:39:23 PM] RetardBus: An example of one of his theories is how he thinks that digital TV (switching from analog to digital), Obama, liberals, and people from college he hasn't talked to in over 15 years are all out to get him
[12:39:39 PM] RetardBus: And that digital TV, Obama, and liberals in particular are all part of one big conspiracy to destroy him
[12:40:39 PM] RetardBus: His shitty comic is a bizarre mixture of ripping off his favorite cartoons, poorly drawn comedy and political propaganda, and awkwardly shoehorning undertones relating to his farting and burping fetish.
[12:40:59 PM] RetardBus: And it stars him and his made up friends as super hero teenage stick figures
[12:41:11 PM] RetardBus: This guy is just fascinatingly nuts
I'm guessing you're kind of speechless right now in response to everything I just told you about this guy all at once
[12:46:39 PM] KatsuKitty: Yeah i dont really have much to day
[12:46:41 PM] KatsuKitty: say
[12:46:56 PM] KatsuKitty: i'll prob have to keep an eye on him
[12:47:07 PM] RetardBus: Given Null's missing of TJChurch
[12:47:28 PM] RetardBus: I wonder what he'd think of Iconoclast
[12:47:58 PM] RetardBus: The first time Iconoclast necro'd his thread was when it was like 5 posts long and had been vacant for over a year
[12:49:01 PM] RetardBus: His site and his comic are the most disorganized clusterfucks you'll ever lay eyes on
[12:49:30 PM] KatsuKitty: nothing tops the retardation of kengle's sonichen and rosechen
[12:49:33 PM] RetardBus: I'd honestly go as far as to say that his comic rivals Sonichu as the worst webcomic ever made. It's only marginally better than it at best.
[12:49:43 PM] RetardBus: You'd have to read it to believe it.
[12:49:59 PM] KatsuKitty: did you ever see sonichen and rosechen
[12:49:59 PM] RetardBus: I can send you a RAR archive I made of it containing I think the first 26 comics
[12:50:13 PM] RetardBus: No I haven't, but I'm not sure if it can top Belch Dimension Comics
[12:50:58 PM] RetardBus: By the way not only does it awkwardly shoehorn in Icono's burping and farting fetish but he mentioned on his FAQ, or "FUQ" as he calls it (Frequently Unasked Questions) that he named it the "Belch Dimension" because he can hold in a burp for long periods of time and he enjoys belching.
[12:51:06 PM] RetardBus: I am making none of this up, and I am not exaggerating anything
[12:51:20 PM] RetardBus: And the main bad guy is some kid who bullied him in the 90's
[12:51:50 PM] RetardBus: Mind if I send you the RAR archive
[12:51:53 PM] RetardBus: It has issues 1-24
[12:52:05 PM] RetardBus They start out astonishingly awful and only get worse as they go on

For the uninitiated, I have a RAR archive with issues 1-24 of Iconoclast's fascinatingly bad comic if anyone's interested. His website and his comic are something you have to see to believe.

 

[The_Iconoclast]

@The_Iconoclast
OK, maybe you aren't getting it. People were shoving pennies in your locker to make fun of you and inconvenience you. It was not done in admiration. At all.

Another "Everything you ever loved was a lie!" post. And it was the lock on my dorm room door, not a locker. If you want to insult me andmy memories, at least get the details right, you goob....

I just said because of potentially-fatal peanut allergies you couldn't do my peanut experiment today. One jar under a pyramid; one jar, not. The pyramid nuts tasted better. What don't you understand?

are we talking like college paper editor or like real editor?

Magazine editor...I think I still have the e-mail saved on my old Win 97.

Hey, @The_Iconoclast - I'm a journalism student in my second year of college. As a former journalism student yourself, I was wondering if you have any advice/suggestions?

Yes. You want to work for a real paper? Don't bother. Take up turkey farming instead.

There will always be a need for printed books. They may sit on archive shelves while CD -ROMS and Kindles rule the market for a few years, but there's always old duffers like me who prefer the feel of paper under their fingertips and the smell of an old book...it's familiar, pleasant, like the waft of an old lover's perfume.