Containment Official Decision Regarding Gender and Chris/Gender Discussion Megathread

[Buck Mullet]

There's solid arguments that Chris is genuinely trans.

"That dude is fucking mentally ill" is a genuinely solid arguement.

 

[fiu0cm]

Do people in the LGBT community generally reject his self-classification as a trans woman

No. The LGBT+ community is pretty accepting of all comers for obvious reasons.

has he removed his dick or is he actually going to

No and probably not. SRS is expensive, and even if he had the funds, I'm not sure he'd go through with it. He is on HRT though. Personally, I'm doubtful that he's experiencing genuine gender dysphoria, but I'm not a psychologist.

 

[Marvin]

No and probably not. SRS is expensive, and even if he had the funds, I'm not sure he'd go through with it. He is on HRT though. Personally, I'm doubtful that he's experiencing genuine gender dysphoria, but I'm not a psychologist.

He's got some pretty deep disgust with his penis. For awhile, I was worrying about joking about Chris taking a hedge trimmer to a dick, because I worried he might actually go for it.

I think a lot of people who approach Chris' gender issues as a matter of "common sense" are making a mistake. Despite what the troons will tell you, transgenderism is an extremely rare condition. It's not like we're all familiar with the weird corner cases.

It's certainly possible for someone to be genuinely trans and to be autistic at the same time. So Chris' autism might cause his (legitimate) gender identity issues to be expressed in a hilarious way. Or the opposite, that he really is just a confused cis weirdo and his emotional issues in general are making it seem like he's trans.

I don't think any of us really know as well as we feel we do, and relying on "common sense" is a mistake, because this isn't a common disorder.

 

[Phobotech]

Trans friends have opened my eyes to the struggle and dysphoria involved with such a thing. I'm not yet convinced of Chris's true and honest intentions with this whole thing about it. I'm not so far gone to dismiss the possibility that he is genuine in some way, but it just seeme unlikely given the pattern of things. Theres an alterior motive at play here; sweethearts, china, and this is a sympathetic strategy to achieve that.

 

[Mr. 0]

He's got some pretty deep disgust with his penis. For awhile, I was worrying about joking about Chris taking a hedge trimmer to a dick, because I worried he might actually go for it.

I think a lot of people who approach Chris' gender issues as a matter of "common sense" are making a mistake. Despite what the troons will tell you, transgenderism is an extremely rare condition. It's not like we're all familiar with the weird corner cases.

It's certainly possible for someone to be genuinely trans and to be autistic at the same time. So Chris' autism might cause his (legitimate) gender identity issues to be expressed in a hilarious way. Or the opposite, that he really is just a confused cis weirdo and his emotional issues in general are making it seem like he's trans.

I don't think any of us really know as well as we feel we do, and relying on "common sense" is a mistake, because this isn't a common disorder.

oh god we're never gonna know either way what the real answer is because it's chris and he'll never cooperate with a therapist even if an idea guy has his balls imaginary friends in a vice

Theres an alterior motive at play here; escape from reality, and this is a stress-free and easy strategy to achieve that.

FTFY

 

[Marvin]

Trans friends have opened my eyes to the struggle and dysphoria involved with such a thing. I'm not yet convinced of Chris's true and honest intentions with this whole thing about it. I'm not so far gone to dismiss the possibility that he is genuine in some way, but it just seeme unlikely given the pattern of things. Theres an alterior motive at play here; sweethearts, china, and this is a sympathetic strategy to achieve that.

No, his intentions and motives are 100% genuine. That's the problem. He actually is into all this consciously. He's really hateful of his penis, in a weird way that persists even in private spaces.

 

[Incredible Crisis]

There's solid arguments that Chris is genuinely trans. It's not merely a self classification. He's seen psychologists and has been given permission to go on a hormone replacement therapy regimen.

The gay community generally supports him, as far as I can tell.

I don't take Chris seriously as a trans woman because he's clearly just a meek, unassertive autist who hates men and wants to be a teenager with hot girl friends again.

 

[Rikka Takarada]

He's really hateful of his penis, in a weird way that persists even in private spaces.

I think this is all a big hangover from his "I am STRAIGHT" days where he thought that saying he hates all penises, including his own, would prove that he was.

His thinking seems closer to "I don't want a dick" as opposed to even "I want to be a girl," never mind what (male-to-female) transgenderism is, which is "I believe I already am a girl, so to that end I will go through a long and expensive process to try and approximate one."

 

[Jack Awful]

"That dude is fucking mentally ill" is a genuinely solid arguement.

That's what all trans people are, so Chris would still be legit.

 

[BScCollateral]

When Bruce Jenner announced "I am in my right mind, so lop off my penis," my thoughts are, "Well, sounds crazy to me, but I'm not you and as far as I know, you're not a nutbar, so I have to assume there's something to it I don't get. You be you, former dude."

Chris-Chan though? I wouldn't trust him to take care of a dog, let alone himself.

 

[SheCameForNecky]

He's got some pretty deep disgust with his penis. For awhile, I was worrying about joking about Chris taking a hedge trimmer to a dick, because I worried he might actually go for it.

I think a lot of people who approach Chris' gender issues as a matter of "common sense" are making a mistake. Despite what the troons will tell you, transgenderism is an extremely rare condition. It's not like we're all familiar with the weird corner cases.

It's certainly possible for someone to be genuinely trans and to be autistic at the same time. So Chris' autism might cause his (legitimate) gender identity issues to be expressed in a hilarious way. Or the opposite, that he really is just a confused cis weirdo and his emotional issues in general are making it seem like he's trans.

I don't think any of us really know as well as we feel we do, and relying on "common sense" is a mistake, because this isn't a common disorder.

I watch a lot of Blaire White (so I am the authority; listen to me), and I think she explained it well: You almost have to think of transwomen and transmen as "failed men" and "failed women." By that definition, Chris fits very well. There's also seemingly a link between autism and transgenderism. Huff Post isn't the best source, but the study they cite seems okay.

From what I can gather from the internet, Chris' ideas of male and female aren't as well-defined as yours or mine. That's going to result in confusion.

 

[Lipitor]

I don't take Chris seriously as a trans woman because he's clearly just a meek, unassertive autist who hates men and wants to be a teenager with hot girl friends again.

On the surface I would agree with you. He seems to identify that he doesn't have traditional masculine qualities, and hates men who do. IMO he has trouble reconciling this fact cuz he sees genders roles as so binary, that if he doesn't fill the traditional male stereotype he must be a woman then...

Then again the American Psychological Association seems to believe that anyone who identifies as trans is for real tots real. So while i don't understand their reasoning.. I also know they've done tons more research than I have. Basically you're never going to convince them otherwise, so just let them do it. I realize that brings up a ton of other logistical questions, that i don't have answers to.

 

[JULAY]

No, his intentions and motives are 100% genuine. That's the problem. He actually is into all this consciously. He's really hateful of his penis, in a weird way that persists even in private spaces.

Someone with actual gender dysphoria wouldn't brag about the length of their (bent) penis and offer to sexually pleasure others with it when it seemed like that would get him laid.

"he really is just a confused cis weirdo and his emotional issues in general are making it seem like he's trans."

And there you have it!

 

[Incredible Crisis]

On the surface I would agree with you. He seems to identify that he doesn't have traditional masculine qualities, and hates men who do. IMO he has trouble reconciling this fact cuz he sees genders roles as so binary, that if he doesn't fill the traditional male stereotype he must be a woman then...

Then again the American Psychological Association seems to believe that anyone who identifies as trans is for real tots real. So while i don't understand their reasoning.. I also know they've done tons more research than I have. Basically you're never going to convince them otherwise, so just let them do it. I realize that brings up a ton of other logistical questions, that i don't have answers to.

You can't just accept someone claiming they are trans at face value and give them unilateral access to privileges enjoyed by the gender they've chosen. This is innocuous on a "let me use the bathroom in peace" level and ludicrous on a "let me use taxpayer dollars to have a gyno talk to me about my transgirl period" level.

If you want to be the other gender, then get your medical treatments, be honest about your biological differences from a natal woman, shut up, and go on with your life.

 

[SheCameForNecky]

Someone with actual gender dysphoria wouldn't brag about the length of their (bent) penis and offer to sexually pleasure others with it when it seemed like that would get him laid.

"he really is just a confused cis weirdo and his emotional issues in general are making it seem like he's trans."

And there you have it!

It could simply be imitation of his peers, rather than honestly being proud of his duck.

 

[Snuckening]

I think this is all a big hangover from his "I am STRAIGHT" days where he thought that saying he hates all penises, including his own, would prove that he was.

His thinking seems closer to "I don't want a dick" as opposed to even "I want to be a girl," never mind what (male-to-female) transgenderism is, which is "I believe I already am a girl, so to that end I will go through a long and expensive process to try and approximate one."

Yeah, I put Chris's cock-hate down to turbo-autism, and the 'black and white thinking' stuff. Chris likes girls and (for the formative 90% of his life at least) really really didn't want to see himself as gay, therefore china=good, dicks=bad. For most straight men that'd be "I don't really like looking at other men's dicks, but I don't care about my own, coz that'd make life really difficult". But with Chris, because :autism::autism::autism:, every single dick, dick-like object, preserved vegetable that looks kinda dick-ish, even the word "dick" (thus "duck", "ugly growth", etc) is completely haram and absolutely, indescribably unbearable to have the tiniest connection with. And his own cock just kinda got thrown out with the autistic bathwater.

I watch a lot of Blaire White (so I am the authority; listen to me), and I think she explained it well: You almost have to think of transwomen and transmen as "failed men" and "failed women." By that definition, Chris fits very well.

Blair White said that? "I trooned out because I was failing as a guy?" Seems an odd way for a troon to put it (even for a 'conservative' who's income depends on them being the "she's not like those other trannys" tranny)

 

[SheCameForNecky]

Blair White said that? "I trooned out because I was failing as a guy?" Seems an odd way for a troon to put it (even for a 'conservative' who's income depends on them being the "she's not like those other trannys" tranny)

I can't remember the video, but she basically called trannies "failed males."

Bottom surgery is a terrible fucking idea, though. You're removing healthy genitals and exchanging them for a wound you have to keep open forever. Imagine being an 85 year old with an open wound you dilate daily, and you need surgery for your hip. This is just bad.

Imagine using a hot tub, swimming, etc. Gross, gross, gross. I have no issue with trans people, but I'd advise all of them to leave their genitals alone.

 

[Chan the Wizard]

Chris has a messed up bent penis. I’d probably want to troon out too if mine looked like that.

 

[4Macie]

He's really hateful of his penis, in a weird way that persists even in private spaces.

Having a genuine hate for a body part does not make you trans. There are cis women who hate their breasts...that doesn't mean they want to be men. Chris, probably, hates his penis because it's what has gotten him some serious hate. For years people were making fun of him for it (bent, small, etc). But when it suits him, he praises it. It's no longer bent, it's much bigger now, the hooker said it was the best she's ever had. Those kinds of things. He even tried to us his dick as a bargaining chip to get women interested. Someone with gender/body dysphoria wouldn't do that.

You can disagree with us all you want, but the truth is, most of us don't see Chris's interest in transitioning to be in good faith and for a legit reason. Chris has, on multiple occasions, expressed how womanly he is in a way that's too similar to other troons on the board (Toren, Greta, etc).

He's got autism, and autism is one hell of a disorder. Messes people up real good if they don't have a solid support system.

 

[Marvin]

Then again the American Psychological Association seems to believe that anyone who identifies as trans is for real tots real. So while i don't understand their reasoning.. I also know they've done tons more research than I have. Basically you're never going to convince them otherwise, so just let them do it. I realize that brings up a ton of other logistical questions, that i don't have answers to.

I'm pretty sure the APA still officially uses the WPATH model, which has extensive gatekeeping.

Someone with actual gender dysphoria wouldn't brag about the length of their (bent) penis and offer to sexually pleasure others with it when it seemed like that would get him laid.

"he really is just a confused cis weirdo and his emotional issues in general are making it seem like he's trans."

And there you have it!

Having a genuine hate for a body part does not make you trans. There are cis women who hate their breasts...that doesn't mean they want to be men.

Someone with gender/body dysphoria wouldn't do that.

This isn't nearly the smoking gun that you think it is. Chris has no problem doing a 180 and bragging about things he hates, simply because he thinks it'll get him ahead in life. The critical element is that he's able to disassociate himself from whatever it is affecting him personally.

Like you could probably get him to brag about how high the fires of his house fire burned, in the right circumstances.

When Chris is alone, one on one, just him and his penis, it viscerally bothers him because it reminds him he's a man. That's dysphoria.

I think how Chris behaves when he's alone says a lot more about how genuine his dysphoria about his penis is.

So for example, remember how Chris rigged up that strap-on harness to hide his penis because the mere sight of it would bother him? I think that's a lot more interesting than how Chris behaves when he's on a stage, performing like a dancing monkey.

You can disagree with us all you want, but the truth is, most of us don't see Chris's interest in transitioning to be in good faith and for a legit reason. Chris has, on multiple occasions, expressed how womanly he is in a way that's too similar to other troons on the board (Toren, Greta, etc).

I think people are overconfident about their reasons for not taking Chris' transitioning seriously.

Ultimately, if Chris actually has gender dysphoria, autism, along with the fact that he performs on a stage (thus nothing he says publicly is said in good faith), is going to make him behave unpredictably. You shouldn't take Chris seriously that he's proud of his dick any more than you should take Chris seriously when he says he's starving and needs money for nutritious bananas. He's trying to get something out of you.

We simply cannot pick apart what's autism / dishonesty and what's genuine dysphoria from our vantage point, and I think it's overconfidence that makes people think otherwise.

Though I will say, I also never was in the camp to assume Greta's transitioning was illegitimate. Now, I'm sure they doctor shopped and shoved their way through, but just because the system is flawed, doesn't mean we should assume she's full of shit, by default. Nor should we assume that, because she's a loud, shitty person, that she's not trans. Heh, trans people can be shitheads too.

I only reserve that for the most blatant scammers who don't even try to pass. There's a spectrum of tranny legitimacy, with Brianna Wu at one end (for all her weird shit, she has her story and she sticks to it) and people like Jonathan "Jessica" Yaniv at the other, and a vast gulf of question marks in between.