Carl Benjamin / Sargon of Akkad / Akkad Daily / The Thinkery / @not_sargon / @WarPlanPurple - Leader of the "Liberalists" & Droning Pseudo-Intellectual Boomer anti-SJW Activist, Applebees Waiter, Mass Shooter Whiteknight

[Douglas Reynholm]

And no, I don't have quotes or anything of the sort to back this up, but this is how this thing looks to me.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...revisedfrommaycoveringtheperiodtodecember2017

There's more recent data but it's less concrete, although it tells the same story. Massive increase in non-eu net migration and a drop in EU net migration. Which is why it's so strange Tommy is getting involved in brexit, Carlos at least covers relevant topics.

 

[Lysol]

UKIP is a single purpose party whose purpose has been fulfilled.

I think the worst part about the whole situation is that this line still isn't true. Brexit hasn't gone through yet and it looks like May's going to fuck them on the deal, and if not May then whoever gets the leadership after the Tories throw her ass out over the whole debacle to try to save face.

I mean Sargon could be focusing more on that aspect of the issue and try to reconcile the fact that while yes, muslims are a problem in the U.K. and the situation is only going to grow more untenable, cutting off the flow of immigrants from Europe and having complete sovereignty over their immigration system would be the first step to doing something about it. He could actually back Farage, and use it as a rallying point to tell his fans and anyone that will listen to him that they need to rile up anyone they can and spread the word that Brexit isn't quite won yet (seeing as Farage was a popular figure this would only really help him gain subs and patreon bucks, so he'd win financially I'd think).

But because Jim skunked him when it came to Robinson getting jailed and him not doing or saying anything about that situation, he's now gone and allied himself with Robinson before this all happened, and the stupid motherfucker just isn't intelligent enough to be able to navigate the subject that is agreeing with both but explaining the nuance of pragmatic politics to his fans without alienating a portion of them.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...revisedfrommaycoveringtheperiodtodecember2017

There's more recent data but it's less concrete, although it tells the same story. Massive increase in non-eu net migration and a drop in EU net migration. Which is why it's so strange Tommy is getting involved in brexit, Carlos at least covers relevant topics.

Unless I'm missing something (sorry, a bit tired atm) I'm not seeing any specific countries/entities named in that report other than the E.U. and the U.K. I'm not really getting how non-E.U. = more muslims, it's just as likely these are people from India, Russia, China, etc.

 

[AltisticRight]

There's already a few deaths, including people that were not in the riots (a 80 yo grandma got it by a grenade in the head in her own appartment). For god's sake my mom got gased and she wasn't in it.

I don't know what image Macron has internationaly, but if you listen to his abroad interviews, he shits on the people every fucking time, saying they are "lazy", talking about the people "who are everyting and the others who are nothing"(real quote btw), and burrying us in more taxes while frozing the minimum wage, I think you get the idea. He's not gonna finish his presidency I'd wager.

Uhgh fucking hell. I hope your mum is alright and stays safe. What a literal shithole Paris has become. When I was young, seeing the city in cartoons made me want to go there; now looking at the amount of illegal shitskins, I'd rather be a neet and have fun in the farms. Sigh.

On Asian forums, especially the Japanese and Chinese ones I lurk in, people are saying Europe is getting destroyed both culturally and genetically[1]. The outside world sees it and we in the west rather go on about "racist" tweets and benign gay shit that doesn't fucking matter.

Yeah, I've heard some of his speeches. The French are lazy? What is this fuckwit talking about? He would literally suck the cock of illegal darkies if it means he's virtuous. Hell, he's married to his own teacher that's 25 years older than him, that alone has been a point of mockery. The French are his fucking people, not these illegal shits.

France is now the most taxed country according to the WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/articles/france-becomes-the-worlds-most-heavily-taxed-country-1544004004
A fuel tax to combat (((Climate Change)))? You're kidding me. The more I read into this, the more I feel simply stunned.
Also, pollution is a real issue in Europe: http://maps.who.int/airpollution/ Those echoes are just playful on my part.

This dumb shit isn't going to have any bearing on climate change. It's just their government using a real issue as a trojan horse to farm more shekels so they can assist the subhumans they litter working class neighbourhoods with. No wonder people are that pissed.

I guess the message is clear. The working class should just ride fucking bikes for 2 hours to their jobs whilst the rich gets to use helicopters and the fuel is socialised onto everyone else. Isn't democracy great?

[1]: Average birthrates of whites and eastern Asians is about 1.1-1.5. Average birthrate of these illegal shits is 3+, let's not take chain migration into account, it's just going to look horrible.

Fuck this gay world really. All I can say is, stay safe man.

 

[instythot]

I think the worst part about the whole situation is that this line still isn't true. Brexit hasn't gone through yet and it looks like May's going to fuck them on the deal, and if not May then whoever gets the leadership after the Tories throw her ass out over the whole debacle to try to save face.

I mean Sargon could be focusing more on that aspect of the issue and try to reconcile the fact that while yes, muslims are a problem in the U.K. and the situation is only going to grow more untenable, cutting off the flow of immigrants from Europe and having complete sovereignty over their immigration system would be the first step to doing something about it. He could actually back Farage, and use it as a rallying point to tell his fans and anyone that will listen to him that they need to rile up anyone they can and spread the word that Brexit isn't quite won yet (seeing as Farage was a popular figure this would only really help him gain subs and patreon bucks, so he'd win financially I'd think).

But because Jim skunked him when it came to Robinson getting jailed and him not doing or saying anything about that situation, he's now gone and allied himself with Robinson before this all happened, and the stupid motherfucker just isn't intelligent enough to be able to navigate the subject that is agreeing with both but explaining the nuance of pragmatic politics to his fans without alienating a portion of them.



Unless I'm missing something (sorry, a bit tired atm) I'm not seeing any specific countries/entities named in that report other than the E.U. and the U.K. I'm not really getting how non-E.U. = more muslims, it's just as likely these are people from India, Russia, China, etc.

Just to expand a bit on what I said before:

If UKIP really wants to run on memes, triggering/owning and Internet personalities like Carl and Dank, they should go all out and pull a media stunt about how Lauren Southern, Official UKIP Advisor on Wheat Fields can't even enter the country to attend policy meetings

 

[Douglas Reynholm]

Unless I'm missing something (sorry, a bit tired atm) I'm not seeing any specific countries/entities named in that report other than the E.U. and the U.K. I'm not really getting how non-E.U. = more muslims, it's just as likely these are people from India, Russia, China, etc.

Not missing anything, couldn't be arsed to dig deep enough to find demographic breakdown but heard on radio that biggest flows were from east asia. Continent overall is over 60% muslim, so 4-5X higher than the EU. Going to be a marginal increase in towelheads at least, which may surprise those confusing Brexit with the muzzie issue.

 

[Lysol]

Just to expand a bit on what I said before:

If UKIP really wants to run on memes, triggering/owning and Internet personalities like Carl and Dank, they should go all out and pull a media stunt about how Lauren Southern, Official UKIP Advisor on Wheat Fields can't even enter the country to attend policy meetings

I get what you mean, it's just that Carl wants to play-act as some kind of savvy political commentator when his reaction to what's going on couldn't have been not only more childish, but more damaging to both his image and the party's. Also considering that he's apparently on speaking terms with the head of U.K.I.P. he could have influenced Batten to pull his head out of his ass and come around to Farage's way of thinking. Which like I said, I'm pretty sure he's just being a pragmatist and realizes that trying to move on the problem of muslims and their incompatibility with their country at this moment in time is putting the cart before the horse, and that even if it wasn't it's still too early to even try to broach the subject with the body politic.

Not missing anything, couldn't be arsed to dig deep enough to find demographic breakdown but heard on radio that biggest flows were from east asia. Continent overall is over 60% muslim, so 4-5X higher than the EU. Going to be a marginal increase in towelheads at least, which may surprise those confusing Brexit with the muzzie issue.

I'd not really be sure about that, though. The main reason that muslims from the M.E. and N.A. even get into Europe would be proximity, by either sea or land. Not to mention that in a lot of places in East Asia (unless you count Indonesia) the muslim populations either don't have enough money/opportunity to move far afield like that or they're too busy with conflict in their region (like Myanmar). Also given that while 60% of that region's population might be muslim, a lot of emigration in E.A. would be people from China and India, and the types that have the ability to pick up and ship off either aren't religious or aren't muslim. Not to mention that a lot of people from the less successful nations over there would rather stay within their region.

I've found a chart that sort of shows what I mean. https://www.researchgate.net/figure...describe-the-net-international_fig4_307896332

Though that's all really circumventing the fact that with the U.K. having sole control over it's immigration policies, people could start to push for less immigration from third-world and second-world countries and have a chance at stopping it altogether anyway.

 

[instythot]

I get what you mean, it's just that Carl wants to play-act as some kind of savvy political commentator when his reaction to what's going on couldn't have been not only more childish, but more damaging to both his image and the party's. Also considering that he's apparently on speaking terms with the head of U.K.I.P. he could have influenced Batten to pull his head out of his ass and come around to Farage's way of thinking. Which like I said, I'm pretty sure he's just being a pragmatist and realizes that trying to move on the problem of muslims and their incompatibility with their country at this moment in time is putting the cart before the horse, and that even if it wasn't it's still too early to even try to broach the subject with the body politic.

Honestly, I think they could start broaching the issue now... maybe something like "we need to ensure that the protection of British law extends to all residents, and this means that all legal judgments are delivered through the British courts", but with softer language and quite a few platform planks lower than "BREXIT MEANS ENGLAND DOESN'T FOLLOW LAWS PASSED IN BRUSSELS"... but nobody with Tommy and the history that comes with him on board has a chance of safely opening that whole box of dynamite

 

[GranDuke]

I get what you mean, it's just that Carl wants to play-act as some kind of savvy political commentator when his reaction to what's going on couldn't have been not only more childish, but more damaging to both his image and the party's. Also considering that he's apparently on speaking terms with the head of U.K.I.P. he could have influenced Batten to pull his head out of his ass and come around to Farage's way of thinking. Which like I said, I'm pretty sure he's just being a pragmatist and realizes that trying to move on the problem of muslims and their incompatibility with their country at this moment in time is putting the cart before the horse, and that even if it wasn't it's still too early to even try to broach the subject with the body politic.

I think thats how his simple mind operates:
Tommy is triggering SJWs;
Farage is triggering SJWs;
Tommy + Farage = super triggering.

 

[Lysol]

Honestly, I think they could start broaching the issue now... maybe something like "we need to ensure that the protection of British law extends to all residents, and this means that all legal judgments are delivered through the British courts", but with softer language and quite a few platform planks lower than "BREXIT MEANS ENGLAND DOESN'T FOLLOW LAWS PASSED IN BRUSSELS"... but nobody with Tommy and the history that comes with him on board has a chance of safely opening that whole box of dynamite

I just think that it's more pragmatic to put yourself behind Brexit to make sure it's a complete Brexit and not this fucked Chequers shit that May & Co. are trying to push, because not only do you have the "people's mandate" argument to drain all power from the shrieking progressives' cries of "BIGOTRY! FASCISM!" etc., but as I said upthread the real source of this problem is their immigration - including refugees, asylum seekers, and those coming through Europe because of the E.U.'s freedom of movement horseshit being used to shove the above down their throats.

I think you're right about the first part, though I also think that refocusing the party on what it was originally set out to do would drive up participation and rile up some fervor if they could just realize that they can capitalize on this shitshow going on like Farage obviously did.

I think thats how his simple mind operates:
Tommy is triggering SJWs;
Farage is triggering SJWs;
Tommy + Farage = super triggering.

Yep, and it's exactly that lack of foresight that has led him to make an absolute ass of himself by denouncing not only the man that he lavished with praise for over a year for everything he did, simultaneously a man that he used as a name-drop to try to sound like a big-shot, but also the man that is the former leader of the party that he proclaims to share his values with.

Not only that but to associate himself willingly with a man most in his country recognize as a racist alt-righter - a label he's been trying to shake off for almost a year now as well - because his old internet fwend called him out as a hypocritical asshole due to his previous branding as a free-speech advocate when the guy got arrested on idiotic charges.

Just

 

[No Face]

I love how it's presented like a haven for free speech, but I bet if I'd go there and make fun of Sargon I'd be (((censored))). And naming it "The Athenians" most likely shows how he has no idea of how athenian democracy worked, since we've already established e has a hard-on for old civilization but can't understand their cultures for shit.

first thing I noticed was that they said in Athena you won't be ostracized, but this was literally invented in Athens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism

I don't think they are clever enough that this was supposed to be intentional

 

[Man vs persistent rat]

Unless I'm missing something (sorry, a bit tired atm) I'm not seeing any specific countries/entities named in that report other than the E.U. and the U.K. I'm not really getting how non-E.U. = more muslims, it's just as likely these are people from India, Russia, China, etc.

Despite their relative sizes, almost as many people from Pakistan as India emigrate to the UK. Indians seem to prefer the US.

 

[instythot]

Despite their relative sizes, almost as many people from Pakistan as India emigrate to the UK. Indians seem to prefer the US.

It remains to be seen how well that trend holds up now that the Simpsons have memory holed their American role model

 

[Lysol]

Despite their relative sizes, almost as many people from Pakistan as India emigrate to the UK. Indians seem to prefer the US.

But would that number actually increase if the U.K. left the E.U., or would the lack of immigration from elsewhere just shift the percentages and the actual numbers would remain on whatever current trend they are on now?

If it is the case that the total of immigrants from that region would increase instead of just their percentage, why?

 

[Particle Bored]

I'd argue that appointing a "special advisor on Islam" who's notorious for getting into prison brawls with Muslim gangs (among other things) and has a following of street thugs puts them a bit beyond "little Britain first" and "you live under our roof, you follow our rules" in terms of public perception



I'm a little surprised it was just incorrectly linked to mass migration and didn't set off a 40 minute rant from Ralph on (((them)))

I won't speak to the rest, but pinning him for "prison brawls with Muslims" is pretty disingenuous. Pretty "victim blamey."

 

[Man vs persistent rat]

But would that number actually increase if the U.K. left the E.U., or would the lack of immigration from elsewhere just shift the percentages and the actual numbers would remain on whatever current trend they are on now?

If it is the case that the total of immigrants from that region would increase instead of just their percentage, why?

I'd imagine it would remain fairly similar proportionally, the other major area is former colonies in the West indies and Africa (Jamaica, Nigeria, etc).

I feel the "Muslim" issue is a bit overestimated, the moment Brexit proponents discover that they're going to have yardies instead of Poles flooding in, they'll start to miss the gopniks. Their white panic will kick in and they'll start whining even harder.

They won't even recognise the decline in white western European migration until too late, partly because UKIPpers are nationalistic to the extent that they view Germans as alien, but also because they tend to be fairly ignorant of basic statistics.

 

[Lysol]

I'd imagine it would remain fairly similar proportionally, the other major area is former colonies in the East indies and Africa (Jamaica, Nigeria, etc).

Sometimes weird calculations like the value of a local currency can go into emigration patterns so it's always interesting to get a take on this kind of stuff, so thanks for the insight.

I feel the "Muslim" issue is a bit overestimated, the moment Brexit proponents discover that they're going to have yardies instead of Poles flooding in, they'll start to miss the gopniks. Their white panic will kick in and they'll start whining even harder.

They won't even recognise the decline in white western European migration until too late, partly because UKIPpers are nationalistic to the extent that they view Germans as alien, but also because they tend to be fairly ignorant of basic statistics.

I don't think the problem is that muslims look different from them (which is a strange way to put it considering it's an ideology more than an ethnicity, sort of the opposite of jews), it's that they have an incompatible culture. Tommy Robinson and some of his followers might be like that, but there's idiots and assholes in every group of people both ideologically and genetically.

 

[instythot]

I won't speak to the rest, but pinning him for "prison brawls with Muslims" is pretty disingenuous. Pretty "victim blamey."

I agree. Politics is not an honorable business and Tommy has a lot of muck that can be raked

 

[Miller]

it's just that Carl wants to play-act as some kind of savvy political commentator when his reaction to what's going on couldn't have been not only more childish, but more damaging to both his image and the party's.

The problem with Carl is his lack of knowledge on every topic including politics (I wonder how many people still remember that time when he got involved with the Justice Democrats). He wants to be "the guy", the one that everybody look up to. I bet he joined UKIP in hope to be "the guy" who whispers into the ears of Farrage. What Carl refuses to understand is that he can't just enter a party and take a seat next to the boss. That's not how it works. You have to prove that you have something that others don't, you have to show the electorate that you're on their side, that you will fight for them. You don't just put some blinders on and meme your way through. That's another thing that Carl doesn't get: Trump, Farrage and - by some extent - Duterte aren't the norm, they are the exception, that's why they win, they know the rules, they know how the mainstream media works. Carl doesn't.
To this day I bet he continues to believe that he was funny when he tweeted that MP that he "wouldn't even rape her". I bet he still thinks it's funny to leave a Kekistan flag in a college or to write "free kekistan" on the walls of a university dorm.
He still doesn't get why Tommy Robinson is toxic (I'm using the word in a PR way), the guy was the leader of a violent group that used to be a bunch of hooligans before they switched to fighting muslims. TR is an attention whore, he went to jail because he broke the law. Robinson calls himself a journalist but he knew that the media can't film outside of a court room when in closed session, there's a big risk of showing a victims' face and putting them in danger.

I think thats how his simple mind operates:
Tommy is triggering SJWs;
Farage is triggering SJWs;
Tommy + Farage = super triggering.

That is exactly the way he sees everything. He is a redditor who thinks he can meme his way into anything. "Trigger the X, own the X".

 

[Douglas Reynholm]

I feel the "Muslim" issue is a bit overestimated, the moment Brexit proponents discover that they're going to have yardies instead of Poles flooding in, they'll start to miss the gopniks.

We've all forgotten about the Pakis and the yardies. Corner shops that open on xmas and convenient drug dealers. Muslims need to up their kebab game for sure.

 

[instythot]

He still doesn't get why Tommy Robinson is toxic (I'm using the word in a PR way), the guy was the leader of a violent group that used to be a bunch of hooligans before they switched to fighting muslims. TR is an attention whore, he went to jail because he broke the law. Robinson calls himself a journalist but he knew that the media can't film outside of a court room when in closed session, there's a big risk of showing a victims' face and putting them in danger.

Even sadder: Batten doesn't seem to grasp this either, yet he's perfectly happy to hang UKIP's hat on Tommy's head whether the members want him to or not by sidestepping party policy. And Carl is totally going to go down with this ship even though he claims to not even want to be in politics in the first place

Fun fact about Tommy's journalism: Rebel Media, a conservative media outlet based in Canuckistan can no longer get interviews with Leafconservative politicians due to at least one of their reporters getting way too cozy with Mike Enoch and friends.

Literally everything on his resume should say "don't bring me in unless you're actually far right extremists" to any politician. The man may have reformed... but he sure does have an extensive greatest hits on the Please Do Political Hit Jobs On Me label