Carl Benjamin / Sargon of Akkad / Akkad Daily / The Thinkery / @not_sargon / @WarPlanPurple - Leader of the "Liberalists" & Droning Pseudo-Intellectual Boomer anti-SJW Activist, Applebees Waiter, Mass Shooter Whiteknight

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Another thing I just remembered as to why Sargon is completely fucked here unless they change their mind.

When you sign up, their contract signs away any right you have to sue them. You have to go through arbitration which means ha ha you automatically lose, and you can't appeal it.
 
If he's at all 'as smart as he says he is', he's saved up a lot of money from his Patreon and can coast on it for months if not years without worry. His house should be paid off and his living expenses should be able to taper down to a few hundred dollars a month. Meanwhile, he can still make income from YouTube superchats and ad revenue.

I doubt it. He goes on expensive vacations on an almost bi-monthly basis. While he was being sued he somehow managed to overspend his retarded world tour budged by over 40 thousand pounds and had to beg his subs for it. Like most youtubers, he doesn't strike me as someone who's responsible with his money.
 
I doubt it. He goes on expensive vacations on an almost bi-monthly basis. While he was being sued he somehow managed to overspend his exceptional world tour budged by over 40 thousand pounds and had to beg his subs for it. Like most youtubers, he doesn't strike me as someone who's responsible with his money.

I bet he's about as good with his money as that other fatass Brit TotalBiscuit.
 
Another thing I just remembered as to why Sargon is completely fucked here unless they change their mind.

When you sign up, their contract signs away any right you have to sue them. You have to go through arbitration which means ha ha you automatically lose, and you can't appeal it.
That maybe works in the US, not in the EU. ToS cant break laws.
 
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That maybe works in the US, not in the EU. ToS cant break laws.

The UK has a similar arbitration act.

Also you agree to jurisdiction in California when you sign up with Patreon. The UK isn't going to overrule jurisdiction unless they don't want to do business with any U.S. corporations any more.
 
I doubt it. He goes on expensive vacations on an almost bi-monthly basis. While he was being sued he somehow managed to overspend his exceptional world tour budged by over 40 thousand pounds and had to beg his subs for it. Like most youtubers, he doesn't strike me as someone who's responsible with his money.
Holy fuck I didn't know about that. :story:

In that the case the term "nigger rich" 100% would apply to Sargon. Which is supremely ironic.
 
Holy fuck I didn't know about that. :story:

In that the case the term "nigger rich" 100% would apply to Sargon. Which is supremely ironic.

He made a video about it, or mentioned it at the start of one of his videos. His fans ended up giving him 90k pounds in 2 days, and the next day he was already talking about the next destination in his trip and informing people they will have to pay to listen to his next lecture and painting it as a necessary contribution to the cause of him saving the west (I this the cost was 250$)
I think the video where he announces his 40,000 gofundme has been deleted since.

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Pffthahahaha

It didn't stop maddox. This is just an adhesive contract, what's patreon gonna do if he violates it? double ban him?
His real problem will actually probably be jurisdiction.
 
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It didn't stop maddox. This is just an adhesive contract, what's patreon gonna do if he violates it? double ban him?
His real problem will actually probably be jurisdiction.

Simply file a motion to dismiss the case, and remove it to California, where it will go to arbitration, and then the attorney fee shifting provision will go into effect, and he will be permanently indebted for the rest of his life.

They only didn't do this either out of mercy or because they know he's a broke dick motherfucker who will never have another dime.
 
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He doesn't have a case. Patreon is well within its rights to ban him because as a platform the law (namely section 230 of the CDA) gives them the right to deny services if they deem the content on their platform meets their definitions of offense. Any case he might have has to strike down this blanket immunity granted to internet platforms. Which is why I said he will lose at every level. No district or appellate court is going to side with him. This is just my layman view though. If you think he does have a case that can get around this, I would love to hear it because everything I am reading say's he's fucked. Him being fucked is independent of my angst over the situation and the problems it causes though.

I'm actually not sure if what he said meets the legal definition of obscenity, which is what is needed for them to have legal justification to ban him.
 
I'm actually not sure if what he said meets the legal definition of obscenity, which is what is needed for them to have legal justification to ban him.

They don't need any reason to ban him at all.

We can terminate or suspend your account at any time at our discretion. We can also cancel any pledges and remove any content or rewards at our discretion.
 
Simply file a motion to dismiss the case, and remove it to California, where it will go to arbitration, and then the attorney fee shifting provision will go into effect, and he will be permanently indebted for the rest of his life.

They only didn't do this either out of mercy or because they know he's a broke dick motherfucker who will never have another dime.

They will/would have filed to dismiss either way. In sargon's case I doubt this'll work since he lives in the UK and I think that by default the only venue that would be able to try this would be in NY (but I'm not sure about this).

They don't need any reason to ban him at all.

Again, clickwrap agreement and also saying "the law doesn't apply to us because we said so" doesn't actually mean that it doesn't.
Just because no one ever bother's to sue over internert bullshit, doesn't mean they can't or that they wouldn't have a case. You could probably sue any website that has ever banned you, and maybe even win, but it has never been worth it until now.
 
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They will/would have filed to dismiss either way. In sargon's case I doubt this'll work since he lives in the UK and I think that by default the only venue that would be able to try this would be in NY (but I'm not sure about this).

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Any disputes with us must be resolved in San Francisco under California law.

California law, excluding its conflict of law provisions, governs these terms and all other Patreon policies. If a lawsuit does arise, both parties consent to the exclusive jurisdiction and venue of the courts located in San Francisco, California.

Again, clickwrap agreement and also saying "the law doesn't apply to us because we said so" doesn't actually mean that it doesn't.

Clickwrap agreements are enforceable if you agree to them. They are upheld all the time. So are arbitration clauses, choice of law and choice of forum provisions, and similar things. If you don't want to agree to them, don't, but if you do, you're bound by them.
 
So from what I can gather in the thread:
-Sargon gets banned for Hate Speech.
-Now he has no money to waste.
-He wants to sue but the Patreon contract allows no suing.
What 4D chess move will he do next?
Nobody knows
 
Is this political way of saying:

"Die, Chris, die; I hope you get raped and murdered in prison"?

Speaking of a-log, does anyone have some actual docs of him saying shit about what happened? It's been over a day now.
 
Unless I am awfully wrong on living costs in the UK for a family of three (well, okay, four mouths, Carl's a big boy), 100k a year just off Patreon is a great amount of money. It's not particularly easy to piss that away, especially since his wife, as someone in the thread said, does also have a job and that's an additional 25k at least.
What would he even spend all this money on? Coke?

Considering that the average working middle class family income from two parents working full/part time is 30 to 35k per year. Carl pulling in 130k a year from his patreon, plus his wives income over the course of 2 years means that he'd at least have been able to buy a nice house for himself and co in Swindon which is not an expensive market in the UK. It fare outweighs the costs of living considering his NEET background and therefore you really have to wonder where the money went to.

As for the discussion about unfair banning from Patreon @Null is right, Jones was only the first wave in removing what the silicon valley set deem as unsavory characters. While they may lose money in the short term, it doesn't effect their over all business model because there are always more neutral parties that are not considered politically spicy enough to draw their ire. It may very well be only a matter of time before they begin to target Metokur and Ralph as well, they are going currently for what they would consider the people with the most outreach in terms of audience connection.

It was foolhardy for Sargon to rely completely on one singular platform, a lot of the internet e-celebs harp on about having a secure free speech payment platform, but those with the largest reach who could effectively form a business partnership or some sort of funding system to make their own platform have failed to do so, so far.

That might change with time, but currently it feels like there is a lot of talk that is going on, and no outside approaches, even though there is a hole in the market.

GAB and Minds are trying to become self funding entities, and as long as they can find a payment processor who is not set against them it is possible, the issue lies with trying to do business with the companies then that are tied to these giant monopolistic firms.

I am optimistic that there is a way to find the ability to process payments, whether it means going through a different payment processor, or using crypto currencies, but the whole community of political commentators needs to wake up and realize not everyone is in their camp or supporting them.
 
These mega tech corporations are not just entities interested in profit and shareholder value. They are political entities with a near messianic complex about how they are going to bring us, the unwashed masses into the light.

Don't think anyone in power truly believes what they are saying. It's like the old guys that ran the religious channels that told people that if they sent him money they would pray for them. It's just that corporations and political opportunitists have taken that idea and ran with it. But instead of religion the tool is "progressivism" which almost supplants religion. People will eat whatever you say up as long as you represent the "right values" sound familiar?

Corporations and political entities are also trying to get a hold on the internet, because due to incidents and realizing its influence in recent years, they realize the internet is uncontrolled, and doesn't allow them to simply tune a narrative like back in the good ol' days of TV. People can respond, and you can't control it. Now that much of the common internet is concentrated around Google, Facebook, Youtube etc, they can put the screws in. If people don't like it, where are you going to go? A competitor? When we can smear them and shut off their monetary access at a moments notice?
 
I doubt it. He goes on expensive vacations on an almost bi-monthly basis. While he was being sued he somehow managed to overspend his exceptional world tour budged by over 40 thousand pounds and had to beg his subs for it. Like most youtubers, he doesn't strike me as someone who's responsible with his money.
Nouveau Riche in spades. Get tonnes of money, piss it away until that source of income dries up. He's no different than many other Youtubers who end up in that cycle.
 
Depending on crowdfunding in an era where tech industries are becoming more censored was a terrible move to begin with. It mimics the various "bubbles" that burst in previous markets, from the Tulip bubble to the .com bust to the housing market crash. Carl should have invested his earned income to protect himself from the volatility of a career where one wrong word spoken or move made can cause an Empire to crash and burn. I'm sure Carl will be okay, he always has that political career to fall back on.
 
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