WingsofRedemption / Jordie Jordan - Morbidly Obese E-Begging Suicide-Baiting Vidya Streamer. Trolled by people somehow more pathetic.

[Bawbi]

You covered some text. That could easily say "[They think] BigCheeseKIT is lotw..." which would be a denial. Take a better snap next time dude. These people are more scared than Hilary.

My bad, thought I selected the unblocked part as well but it appears I didn't. Just wanted to also show how he got TM already. Here you go dude.

 

[Si vis pacem para bellum]

If there is no burden of proof, why are people asking me to PROVE BigCheeseKIT isn’t LOTW/JGM200? LOL!

We didn't ask you into the conversation. Clearly we've drawn our conclusion, and you've come to us claiming otherwise. Why should we listen or believe you if you don't have a compelling argument?

The following message has been sent from Big Cheese <bc@bigcheesekit.com> (IP: 47.205.248.159) via the contact form at Kiwi Farms.

No one even began to imply they were going to do harm or swatting, but I do think it is hilarious that this is the person who is thought to have swatted Wings and the first place he goes is to claim someone seeks to bring harm to him rather than expose someone who's actually been using such information to harm others.

Even funnier that his own friends are afraid that if LotW gets doxed he will be criminally pursued for swatting, and as a result they're afraid for BigCheeseKit. If it's not him there's nothing to worry about, and if you know LotW is the swatter why would you aid him in hiding from the law? If swatting is indeed so bad that you would protect BigCheeseKit from the nonexistent possibility that it would happen, why would you defend someone who does it? Don't you realize this kind of shit is why we're taking a hard look at the community to begin with? The WW discord community is so wrapped up in their own propaganda about themselves they've lost any objectivity. I mean say what you claim is true, Sierra, and that LotW isn't BigCheeseKit and instead some stranger who dedicated years of his life trolling on his behalf, supporting him on Youtube and twitch while having no outside internet presence of his own, why would he then silently let BigCheeseKit take the fall for him after spending years defending and supporting him? Why would LotW send all his buddies to talk to me personally while quietly deleting and removing crap everywhere? Honestly the behavior path so far is more in favor of a good dox than bad. He's trying to deny that LotW/200 is his sock publicly while privately crying to you gents so you'll come fight his battle for him here despite it being a lie, whether you realize it or not.

 

[PhilKahllins]

I have my own doubts if Big Cheese is LOTW but Hitlerboi over here should probably admit that he has an agenda if he's been busted not only featuring Big Cheese on his channel but also jumping on to the Discord and earning Trusted.

 

[Bawbi]

He gave up off-screen @Si vis pacem para bellum

 

[Si vis pacem para bellum]

Just to let you know, I’m case anyone thinks it’s suspicious how he found this thread, I DMed him on Twitter a screenshot of the dox post and a link to the page it is on.

So you're in personal contact with him, which I mean really fits if you've known him for like 6 years. I guess he takes your word for it too despite if it was legitimately a stranger and not a set up conversation they'd likely not personally respond to every fan, esp ones who are presenting profiles with hitler as the pfp.

I have my own doubts if Big Cheese is LOTW but Hitlerboi over here should probably admit that he has an agenda if he's been busted not only featuring Big Cheese on his channel but also jumping on to the Discord and earning Trusted.

Yeah you definitely have to be sure of yourself but leave room for doubt. I even gave his brigade of buddies messaging room for me to be wrong really, but none would answer any questions to seek the truth. It is impossible to both protect LotW and BigCheeseKit, and they're showing that they truly don't care as much for BCK as much as they claim, or it is a good dox and they can't do so.

He gave up off-screen @Si vis pacem para bellum

I can't pretend to be surprised. Man I spent a good amount of time seeing initially if Sierra himself was LotW because he was also in BCC from early on, close to 200, and just as autistic. He's just persistent and clueless enough while active on YT to be a fit. No links there unfortunately while there were weak but feasible links for BCK. LotW just deleting everything and remaining silent on the matter is just the cat's pajamas though.

It's also great how sierra stepped out to say that LotW and 200 weren't the same when that's fucking set in stone, zero percent doubt, and then when it was clear that was the case he slinked away silently and quit the thread. Like any autistic fuck though he lacked the self control to do so and returned, only to once more bitch out privately. The sheer amount of times people in this community quit then talk shit privately, same in BCC

 

[Sierra Eire]

I have my own doubts if Big Cheese is LOTW but Hitlerboi over here should probably admit that he has an agenda if he's been busted not only featuring Big Cheese on his channel but also jumping on to the Discord and earning Trusted.

Big Cheese is a genuine, kind guy. I don’t want someone to go after his sponsors as previously mentioned or anything worse to happen to him. I have had the “trusted” role since day one of Whale Watchers being created.

I don’t give a shit about Big Cheese. I don’t want to see him harmed. Also, in response to another person, I never claimed LOTW and JGM200 were not the same person. LOTW is very open about that fact, so I’m not sure why you’re pretending there’s some conspiracy to shut that fact down.

 

[BE 911]

Okay, I don't want to ruin your little dox party @Si vis pacem para bellum but your dox has a few problems that can't be ignored.

@Sierra Eire is an autistic dude but he does have a point: how you guys connected Justgimmemy200 and BigCheese is through a generic avatar, which is not good enough to confirm anything. The IP contained in the email that was sent to @Null is located in FL, which corresponds to the location of BigCheese. However the problem is that JustGimmeMy200 has his location set to Carmel, NY, and that is across all his accounts on the internet.

The PDF that was posted previously has been known for a while, yes? If this has been known information for a while, why would justgimmemy200 still have an account on twitch where the only person he follows is BigCheeseKIT? Why leave such an obvious connection like this in the open?

What I'm getting at is that I think there's a serious chance you guys are going on a bad lead and that the guy is abusing it. I'm not saying that this dox can never be correct, but there certainly are elements contradicting each other. As long as it's there, there's a real chance that this is a faildox.

 

[Zilortha]

If there is no burden of proof, why are people asking me to PROVE BigCheeseKIT isn’t LOTW/JGM200? LOL!



The only people to need to prove anything are the ones who first claimed BigCheeseKIT is LOTW/JGM200. No evidence has been shown to support that claim.

You've got this completely backwards. No one needs to prove anything to you, because your opinion (and belief in the dox) is irrelevant.
On the other hand, if you think the dox is incorrect and you have evidence to support that? Then yeah, you need to present it if you want anyone to take you seriously. Because no one is just going to take your word for it.

You and your friends should be happy if it's a faildox... because if it's wrong, then people will figure it out.

 

[Si vis pacem para bellum]

I never claimed LOTW and JGM200 were not the same person. LOTW is very open about that fact, so I’m not sure why you’re pretending there’s some conspiracy to shut that fact down.

Well...

Yes, I know who JGM200 is. If you wanna theorise that he is LOTW, then go ahead. I don’t care.

That sure does imply strongly that we're theorizing incorrectly. This kind of cloak and dagger shit is why your defense of BCK isn't reliable. You tell the truth only as you're caught and stuck, the rest of the time it's lies, and skirting the truth.

Okay, I don't want to ruin your little dox party @Si vis pacem para bellum but your dox has a few problems that can't be ignored.

@Sierra Eire is an autistic dude but he does have a point: how you guys connected Justgimmemy200 and BigCheese is through a generic avatar, which is not good enough to confirm anything. The IP contained in the email that was sent to @Null is located in FL, which corresponds to the location of BigCheese. However the problem is that JustGimmeMy200 has his location set to Carmel, NY, and that is across all his accounts on the internet.
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The PDF that was posted previously has been known for a while, yes? If this has been known information for a while, why would justgimmemy200 still have an account on twitch where the only person he follows is BigCheeseKIT? Why leave such an obvious connection like this in the open?
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What I'm getting at is that I think there's a serious chance you guys are going on a bad lead and that the guy is abusing it. I'm not saying that this dox can never be correct, but there certainly are elements contradicting each other. As long as it's there, there's a real chance that this is a faildox.

Well put. So here's my reply to that, if you will consider it.

200's addresses are set to Carmel, NY and you're correct, but places where LotW has one it's set to LA, CA. I set forth that since we know 100% those two are the same, that neither of those addresses is valid, which would be a sensible activity to undertake when making trolling identities to protect your real identity, regardless of who you are.

As far as BigCheese's IP, it was exactly what you would expect it to be, even outside of this event as he is very openly in FL.

Why would 200 follow ONLY bigcheese on Twitch? What if it was a twitch account for that identity that was mostly unused, and since he is a streamer who is desperate for his numbers (recent streams I've seen have him at sub-40 people watching), so he just had it follow him since it was unlikely to ever be connected. In fact if you look at his tens of thousands of followers you'll see many are just empty bot accounts which implies he buys followers. This logic follows. It doesn't solidly prove a connection, but once more as part of the whole, such as the genesis of the 200 identity it just is consistent with the story.

 

[Dingus Egg]

Okay, I don't want to ruin your little dox party @Si vis pacem para bellum but your dox has a few problems that can't be ignored.

@Sierra Eire is an autistic dude but he does have a point: how you guys connected Justgimmemy200 and BigCheese is through a generic avatar, which is not good enough to confirm anything. The IP contained in the email that was sent to @Null is located in FL, which corresponds to the location of BigCheese. However the problem is that JustGimmeMy200 has his location set to Carmel, NY, and that is across all his accounts on the internet.
View attachment 638360

The PDF that was posted previously has been known for a while, yes? If this has been known information for a while, why would justgimmemy200 still have an account on twitch where the only person he follows is BigCheeseKIT? Why leave such an obvious connection like this in the open?
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What I'm getting at is that I think there's a serious chance you guys are going on a bad lead and that the guy is abusing it. I'm not saying that this dox can never be correct, but there certainly are elements contradicting each other. As long as it's there, there's a real chance that this is a faildox.

This came in from Blackhadez (former discord mod with WW @blackhadez here) earlier in the morning for me.

@Sierra Eire all you needed to say was something along the lines of, 'gimmemy200 sounds like a white dude' or 'they don't sound like the same person' instead of being an asspie.

This makes me much more inclined to believe that LotW/JGM200 are not Big Cheese. That being said I don't know who blackhadez is outside of his previous postings in this thread.

 

[Si vis pacem para bellum]

This makes me much more inclined to believe that LotW/JGM200 are not Big Cheese. That being said I don't know who blackhadez is outside of his previous postings in this thread.

So two things here. BlackHadez wasn't shy on posting here until now? They've been spamming me with shit too, and of course all the mods, all the fucking mods are on super damage control here. This is consistent regardless, and the screenshots literally say nothing. I want to know who handed down from high "convince the people privately" because trusted members/mods have privately messaged several of us to "pass the message on" and I guess I was the only one not stupid enough to cooperate, so that if they want to make a case they can come here, rather than try to get a one on one so that we'll do it for them. If they wanted a one on one to really talk sensibly, come to conclusions together, and figure this shit out I'd be fine but they want simple people to be mouthpieces. People who don't ask what others' motives are before complying.

This whole community they have eeks of someone telling others what to do and how to handle situations, and because there is a pecking order plus a very rigidly controlled environment of censorship, punishment, and exile they listen.

 

[Dingus Egg]

So two things here. BlackHadez wasn't shy on posting here until now? They've been spamming me with shit too, and of course all the mods, all the fucking mods are on super damage control here. This is consistent regardless, and the screenshots literally say nothing. I want to know who handed down from high "convince the people privately" because trusted members/mods have privately messaged several of us to "pass the message on" and I guess I was the only one not stupid enough to cooperate, so that if they want to make a case they can come here, rather than try to get a one on one so that we'll do it for them. If they wanted a one on one to really talk sensibly, come to conclusions together, and figure this shit out I'd be fine but they want simple people to be mouthpieces. People who don't ask what others' motives are before complying.

This whole community they have eeks of someone telling others what to do and how to handle situations, and because there is a pecking order plus a very rigidly controlled environment of censorship, punishment, and exile they listen.

He was threadbanned for arguing with one of the speds that came in here from the WW discord.
Edit: I should add that what you said above is entirely possible, but I figured I would share what I had regardless.

 

[Zilortha]

This came in from Blackhadez (former discord mod with WW @blackhadez here) earlier in the morning for me.
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@Sierra Eire all you needed to say was something along the lines of, 'gimmemy200 sounds like a white dude' or 'they don't sound like the same person' instead of being an asspie.

This makes me much more inclined to believe that LotW/JGM200 are not Big Cheese. That being said I don't know who blackhadez is outside of his previous postings in this thread.

This is the problem with autistic ops.
Still, there's just too many coincidences here to think that "his voice sounded different" instantly blows this dox out of the water.
If LotW was really setting up Big Cheese, then why is his little friend coming here and telling us that? Wouldn't that be their goal? To throw heat off on to some innocent person? It doesn't make any sense.
Either way, this is funny as hell.

 

[Dingus Egg]

This is the problem with autistic ops.
Still, there's just too many coincidences here to think that "his voice sounded different" instantly blows this dox out of the water.
If LotW was really setting up Big Cheese, then why is his little friend coming here and telling us that? Wouldn't that be their goal? To throw heat off on to some innocent person? It doesn't make any sense.
Either way, this is funny as hell.

Agreed on all counts. As I said this makes me more inclined to believe that they aren't the same person but it doesn't disprove the allegation outright.

 

[Si vis pacem para bellum]

He was threadbanned for arguing with one of the speds that came in here from the WW discord.
Edit: I should add that what you said above is entirely possible, but I figured I would share what I had regardless.

Ah, thanks. I didn't know that. @blackhadez I'm sorry for the comment. I still don't have reason to take you at your word for it and the screenshots don't show anything of value though.

This is the problem with autistic ops.
Still, there's just too many coincidences here to think that "his voice sounded different" instantly blows this dox out of the water.
If LotW was really setting up Big Cheese, then why is his little friend coming here and telling us that? Wouldn't that be their goal? To throw heat off on to some innocent person? It doesn't make any sense.
Either way, this is funny as hell.

Yeah, that's where I sit. This could be a bad dox but stuff like "I talked politics with him" and "I think his voice was different" aren't going to break it just as much as you feel what we see as compelling shouldn't make it.

This will not blow over easily or on its own either. I guess we'll have to wait for LotW's next move.

 

[American Gaynigger]

The boys over in the discord are calling you guys out! Here's an updated (recent) chatlog.

 

[ThatDutchManace]

The boys over in the discord are calling you guys out! Here's an updated (recent) chatlog.

Whatever makes them sleep at night.

 

[itsoktobewhite]

The boys over in the discord are calling you guys out! Here's an updated (recent) chatlog.

What US laws did he break?

 

[Creep]

Big Cheese is a genuine, kind guy. I don’t want someone to go after his sponsors as previously mentioned or anything worse to happen to him. I have had the “trusted” role since day one of Whale Watchers being created.

I don’t give a shit about Big Cheese. I don’t want to see him harmed. Also, in response to another person, I never claimed LOTW and JGM200 were not the same person. LOTW is very open about that fact, so I’m not sure why you’re pretending there’s some conspiracy to shut that fact down.

So is this you explaining why LOTW/JGM200 deleted anything related to Big Cheese Crusaders? 3 days after the KF video was released?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsaR0mcnpa0

 

[Si vis pacem para bellum]

So is this you explaining why LOTW/JGM200 deleted anything related to Big Cheese Crusaders? 3 days after the KF video was released?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsaR0mcnpa0

Man I'm not sure why I ever addressed Sierra, he's a lolcow in his own rights and clearly mentally handicapped in some manner. I try to make thing of not engaging potatoes because you never know in what way they have detached from reality. So this saga has been going on since the initial dox document that failed at attaching BCK to LotW/200 months back, and that is also when LotW started scrubbing shit, but even his handicapped buddies are trying to do so. I mean making a video in 2019 about a 2 bit trolling group from 2015 that mainly consisted of one tired meme, a couple content creators, and a proto-gay ops discord made from a community G+ page, what in the hell. Let alone to announce said group from 2015 is dead in 2019...like did no one think that these shits lining up would be suspicious? "The dox is wrong but let me fucking DFE" two different times for what is in essence the same dox. Also BCK changing his chat after someone called him 200, and how he feels the need to go reply to nobodies on a troll subreddit, send messages to KF, and people crying won't somebody please think of the children content creators.