UN Government Shutdown Megathread/Updates - News of the ongoing/halted Goverment Shutdown from 12/22/18 -1/25/19

Here's the news of the Government Shutdown as of 1/22/19

It's been a month now since this shutdown started which started back in December and no deal seems to be coming.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...day-32-as-democrats-vow-to-reject-trump-offer

"The longest government shutdown in U.S. history entered its 32nd day on Tuesday with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell expected to call up legislation to advance a proposal from President Donald Trump, which Democrats have already said they’ll reject.


The president said in a Jan. 19 speech he would support a mix of immigration-related proposals in exchange for $5.7 billion to build a wall or other barriers along the border. Trump’s supporters, including Vice President Mike Pence, pointed to the offer as evidence of the president’s willingness to strike a compromise with Democrats.


Pelosi’s Democrats, meanwhile, plan more votes of their own in the House to reopen the government, with a new offer of $1 billion for border upgrades -- but not a wall -- on tap this week.

 

[repentance]

Wtf...why did he cave? He already offered the democrats a good enough deal a few days ago, and now he's backing out of that? If his whole plan was to pretty much play chicken with Democrats, why didn't he offer that deal earlier or speak to the public earlier and make sure ahead of time that his base would come out to put pressure on democrats instead of having the RNC recently pledge its undivided support for the President just now? What is? Amateur hour?

As I understand it, he caved because people who weren't being paid were starting to not go into work and because air traffic controllers and airline attendants threatened a general strike. Grounding aircraft can bring a country to its knees pretty quickly.

There's also a lot of bitterness over back pay, and many of Trump's comments during the shutdown showed him to be just as out of touch with ordinary people as Hillary. From the viewpoint of an outsider watching this from overseas, Trump began to look more and more like an egocentric idiot unconcerned with the business of government as this dragged on - something I expect the GOP brought to his attention.

It is one thing to walk away from the negotiating table when it's you personally or your company who will wear the consequences of that choice. It's another entirely when you're inflicting those consequences on a nation.

 

[It's HK-47]

I'm going to be the wildly optimistic fool here and say he's got something up his sleeve.

That's essentially why I'm just sitting on my hands, for now. Every single time the media and the DNC leaps off the stands to go running victory laps they get broad-sided by something two days later. I've long-since stopped bothering to try and tell people to chill and just see what happens, because everyone seems to love lighting their hair on fire and running in circles.

Who am I to try and interrupt their hobbies?

 

[XYZpdq]

Wtf...why did he cave? He already offered the democrats a good enough deal a few days ago, and now he's backing out of that? If his whole plan was to pretty much play chicken with Democrats, why didn't he offer that deal earlier or speak to the public earlier and make sure ahead of time that his base would come out to put pressure on democrats instead of having the RNC recently pledge its undivided support for the President just now? What is this? Amateur hour?

The spin I've heard is that giving the three weeks to attempt at deal will strengthen the argument in the courts that the National Emergency declaration is on more solid ground and allow him to do the normal State of the Union to help push the case to the public.

 

[verissimus]

As I understand it, he caved because people who weren't being paid were starting to not go into work and because air traffic controllers and airline attendants threatened a general strike. Grounding aircraft can bring a country to its knees pretty quickly.

There's also a lot of bitterness over back pay, and many of Trump's comments during the shutdown showed him to be just as out of touch with ordinary people as Hillary. From the viewpoint of an outsider watching this from overseas, Trump began to look more and more like an egocentric idiot unconcerned with the business of government as this dragged on - something I expect the GOP brought to his attention.

Sure, but my point is that if you're in a fairly long aggravating negotiation with some other party and you offer a pretty good deal to your opposite (that doesn't make them look that bad to their base) only to then offer even more concessions a few days later then you look either like a fool or a weakling.

@XYZpdq Pfft, yeah right. I don't think he'll manage to turn things around now with a state of the union address. If he couldn't do that a few days ago, how would he be able to do it later? And even if the situation comes again later, there's no reason for House democrats to vote for any proposal offered by Trump. Put simply, say bye-bye to the wall.

 

[Figuratively Stalin]

I lost at least a dozen brain cells going on /pol/ to get this so I hope it hasn't been posted already.

 

[CWCchange]

Trump needs the Federal government working so he can declare a State of Emergency, especially with the next caravan of jungle mongols forming.

 

[boulderblundermatt]

note the time limit. three weeks.

he isn't caving. he only lost the battle, not the war. get ready for round 2 boys.

also, i'd like to note that him going independent wouldn't kill his chances for presidency. he was and still is a celebrity and the news wouldn't be able to help themselves crown about their victory and how those dirty trump supporters are wrong. ie, repeating the mistakes they made last election.

not saying he'd still win but it's a grevious mistake to think he really needs republicans to win. its the other way around.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Timcast posted a vlog about the temporary halt of the shutdown.

 

[XYZpdq]

note the time limit. three weeks.

he isn't caving. he only lost the battle, not the war. get ready for round 2 boys.

also, i'd like to note that him going independent wouldn't kill his chances for presidency. he was and still is a celebrity and the news wouldn't be able to help themselves crown about their victory and how those dirty trump supporters are wrong. ie, repeating the mistakes they made last election.

not saying he'd still win but it's a grevious mistake to think he really needs republicans to win. its the other way around.

As long as RBG is still "alive" the GOP won't primary him. Once she's officially replaced though I wouldn't be shocked if they go nuclear on him just for fucking up the status quo.

 

[Colonel J]

Opening the government for 3 weeks wasn't a bright move, but it was done to give the democrats less excuses for not funding the wall since they made their little speech all about "we can debate after the shutdown is over."

 

[boulderblundermatt]

As long as RBG is still "alive" the GOP won't primary him. Once she's officially replaced though I wouldn't be shocked if they go nuclear on him just for fucking up the status quo.

they do that, they die and the independents will replace them permenantly. like I said, the GOP need him far more than he needs them.

Hell, i'd be willing to say he could form his own political party and replace the republicans outright, as much as it makes me wanna vomit.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

As I understand it, he caved because people who weren't being paid were starting to not go into work and because air traffic controllers and airline attendants threatened a general strike. Grounding aircraft can bring a country to its knees pretty quickly.

Reagan would have told them to suck his dick.

 

[XYZpdq]

they do that, they die and the independents will replace them permenantly. like I said, the GOP need him far more than he needs them.

Hell, i'd be willing to say he could form his own political party and replace the republicans outright, as much as it makes me wanna vomit.

oh yeah, I could very easily imagine a scenario where he breaks off from the GOP and ends up taking a chunk of both parties with them, like the Tea Party-ish GOPs, some governors who he's cozy with, and the less flaky Dems sick of the IdPol shit.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I lost at least a dozen brain cells going on /pol/ to get this so I hope it hasn't been posted already.
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Who gives a shit about those parasites? Oh we have to save the poor government workers from scrimping for a few weeks. What's that, you got laid off? Tough shit, fill out your paper work for unemployment benefits pleb, you're not part of the Mandarin caste.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

I'll wait with the quiet optimism crowd for now. I really hope this ride doesn't actually end in such a lame end.

 

[repentance]

Sure, but my point is that if you're in a fairly long aggravating negotiation with some other party and you offer a pretty good deal to your opposite (that doesn't make them look that bad to their base) only to then offer even more concessions a few days later then you look either like a fool or a weakling.

Trump has never worried about looking like a fool. He's treated the Presidency like his own personal reality show to date and been allowed to do so by the GOP. I expect that he's now being told in no uncertain terms that he's going to be a one term President unless he can start showing actual leadership and statemanship.

Trump cares only about his personal power base and if he can't be President next time around then I doubt he cares if the Presidency goes to the Democrats. The GOP, on the other hand, only care about the party holding onto the Presidency and will sacrifice Trump in a heartbeat if that's what it takes (and it probably is). It's an interesting dynamic.

An extended family member is going to the US tomorrow for a 3 year contract. She didn't know until Christmas whether she'd be based in LA or London and we were talking a couple of weeks ago about what an absolute shit show this whole government shutdown thing is - not just the reality of it this time around, but the threat of it year in, year out.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Trump has never worried about looking like a fool. He's treated the Presidency like his own personal reality show to date and been allowed to do so by the GOP. I expect that he's now being told in no uncertain terms that he's going to be a one term President unless he can start showing actual leadership and statemanship.
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You sound like the kind of person that voted for Romney in the primary because he was the one that could beat Obama. And McCain because Clinton (lol). And Bob Fucking Dole.

If Trump doesn't get this done he's lost my vote and I'm not even close to alone in that.

 

[repentance]

You sound like the kind of person that voted for Romney in the primary because he was the one that could beat Obama. And McCain because Clinton (lol). And Bob Fucking Dole.

If Trump doesn't get this done he's lost my vote and I'm not even close to alone in that.

If I lived in the US, I'd probably end up not voting at all most of the time.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

That's essentially why I'm just sitting on my hands, for now. Every single time the media and the DNC leaps off the stands to go running victory laps they get broad-sided by something two days later. I've long-since stopped bothering to try and tell people to chill and just see what happens, because everyone seems to love lighting their hair on fire and running in circles.

Who am I to try and interrupt their hobbies?

I lost at least a dozen brain cells going on /pol/ to get this so I hope it hasn't been posted already.
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So, as I see it, Donald Trump is announcing a temporary (apparently this can't be stressed enough) end to the Longest Continuous Government Shutdown in American History in order to prepare for something else, like the real war (negotiations between Trump and House Democrats), or for some extralegistative actions.

Any Democrat, Mainstream Media, and Twitter celebration (especially the #TrumpCaved bullshit) is completely premature at this point.

Especially since The Trump Wall clearly wasn't a hyperbolic promise, but a real one. And if there is only one person in the world who that promise is important to, it is Donald John Trump Senior.

Donald Trump won't ever cave on the wall. If nothing else, his own ego couldn't allow it.

There is also something everyone seams to be forgetting.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...-partial-government-shutdown-from-rose-garden

Trump made reference to his previous threats to declare a national emergency to secure the border, calling it a “very powerful weapon," and noted that if no deal was reached to fund border security and construction of a wall before Feb. 15, the next date the government's funding would run out, he would use his presidential powers to declare an emergency.

"If we can't do that ["work with Democrats" on a border security package], then, obviously, we'll do the emergency, because that's what this is-- a national emergency," Trump told reporters at the White House Friday afternoon.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

There are people that won't believe Donald Trump has been prevented from doing something until he's actually out of office.

If I lived in the US, I'd probably end up not voting at all most of the time.

Yeah that's what I'm looking at on the Federal level. Again. Sigh.