Megathread Insane Parents of "Transgender" Kids - Parents who push a transgender identity on their children

[Trilby]

Anybody else scared at how normalized this has been? Trans children always seemed like a niche group spread off into their own section of weird, but after Harris's stream that raised 300K for Mermaids I've come to realize the ideology of pushing hormones onto children as young as 12 is...pretty normal. I even thought maybe people were just ignorant, but trying to talk to my level headed friends about the health risks, without mentioning any social implications or permanency, has just been met with 'well lets find a better medical replacement for puberty blockers as soon as we can'. You can't do that, the body wasn't designed for this.

I see myself as pretty fair person. I think gender expression in children is fine and that legitimate trans people still exist. I don't care what people do as adults, I want them to be happy. But most people I know aren't so level headed, people I care about, would probably drop me instantly if I said transition for a young child is a very bad idea. Heck, transition for most teenagers is a bad idea. Every young adult here probably has a friend group with a chunk of it embedded into this ideology with nothing they can do about it. The thought we will legitimately have to wait 10 years for all these children to become adults before anything is done about it is upsetting.

Transitioning before maturing sounds like a bad idea to me anyway you look at it.

 

[northstar747]

once you devolped secondary sexy characteristics its alot harder to pass.

remember beyond getting your dick chopped off there can be 100K plus is feminization surgery shaving the adams apple etc

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

once you devolped secondary sexy characteristics its alot harder to pass.

On the other hand you are neither sterile (yet) nor are your genitals stuck in the child stage so that you are able to feel sexual pleasure and a sex drive (which get reduced by hormones + surgery yes, but at least you are developed enough to experience it).

 

[OttoWest]

once you devolped secondary sexy characteristics its alot harder to pass.

remember beyond getting your dick chopped off there can be 100K plus is feminization surgery shaving the adams apple etc

Jazz was on blockers since he was a child. He still doesn’t pass. The build of his shoulders, his brow ridge, his facial features are still tellingly masculine.

We’re seeing that the blockers+cross sex hormone route isn’t a foolproof guarantee that these and other typically male features will be stunted. Nature uh, finds a way. The answer isn’t to give them to younger and younger kids, but to toss them out altogether as treatment.

We are far too conditioned by manipulated/shopped images on our screens. Seeing troons IRL or in unaltered video and photos gives the game away.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Nope, that's an ugly vaguely feminine looking man. The hair, skinny jeans, tight shirt and man boobs aren't fooling anybody.

 

[Hatoful Dandy]

Jazz was on blockers since he was a child. He still doesn’t pass. The build of his shoulders, his brow ridge, his facial features are still tellingly masculine.

We’re seeing that the blockers+cross sex hormone route isn’t a foolproof guarantee that these and other typically male features will be stunted. Nature uh, finds a way. The answer isn’t to give them to younger and younger kids, but to toss them out altogether as treatment.

We are far too conditioned by manipulated/shopped images on our screens. Seeing troons IRL or in unaltered video and photos gives the game away.

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Holy crap, Film Brain finally grew some hair!

 

[SourDiesel]

There are numerous good reasons not to stop kids from having puberty that have nothing at all to do with aesthetics. Who gives a shit what you look like tbh when we have no idea what important biological processes are being stopped at the same time? This obsession they have with looks "at all costs" is frightening.

For all anyone knows these kids will also never emotionally mature and who knows whether they'll wind up with a bunch of wierd hormonal issues if the body fights to start puberty again as soon as the blockers are switched to hormone "replacement" causing a giant internal hormone fight. Who knows what that will lead to? But yeah, let's just experiment on a bunch of confused children. I have no idea how any professional ever thought this was a good idea. It's absolutely terrifying.

 

[trannyfucker]

Speaking of insane:

https://www.autostraddle.com/like-the-other-kids-raising-my-trans-child-in-a-cissexist-world-439567/

On the last hot day of the summer, I met up with three of my best friends at a nearby playground. Our kids hadn’t seen each other in a while, and we had so much to talk about. Of course, we talked in spurts between our kids’ interruptions, as parents do. As the day got hotter, the kids moved to the splash pad area of the playground. I’m kind of an asshole when it comes to leaving the house prepared, so of course my kid didn’t have a bathing suit.

“Just get wet in your clothes!” I yell to my kid.

“But it will be uncomfortable! Can I take my shirt off like the other kids? Please?”

“No, because those kids are boys, and you are a girl,” I reply in a hushed tone.

“THAT’S SEXIST!” my child rightfully replies, and crumples to the ground.

And here I have come to another parenting crossroads: here I am, enforcing a patriarchal gender binary. Here I am, saying something I would never say to a cisgender girl. But my child is transgender, and I want to to protect her.

All of my friends gathered here were straight, and most of the kids were cisgender boys, with one cisgender girl. They held back offering any opinions because they’re truly lovely and trust my parenting, but I could tell they were shocked. And honestly, so was I. I’m super queer, and my co-parent is a trans woman, and here I am, sounding like some 1950s health class video.

My child came out as transgender when she was in preschool. She’s nine now. During that time, I’ve done my best to help her feel empowered and keep her safe, failing miserably from time to time. I’ve watched her introduce herself with internalized cissexism. “I look like a boy, but I’m really a girl.” She easily passes as a girl, with long hair and the tackiest, glitter- and kitten-covered clothes any one can find; but she’s not sure other people see her as she sees herself in her heart. It breaks my heart to watch her, with her little child voice, preemptively advocate for herself.

As she got older, I saw the gender binary boxes get shored up by the kids around her. Gender roles were much more entrenched in second and third grade. When she told her preschool classmates during her transition, “People thought I was a boy, but in my heart, I’m a girl,” it was met with a shrug. Because she’s really into science, sometimes she would explain her identity as “I’m a girl and I have a y chromosome,” to which the other kids might respond, “I’m a boy and I have an Xbox!” Then they’d run off together to track dragons.

Now, I see children making all sorts of attacks on cisgender kids for not being good at their gender performance. If a cis girl hears “you’re not girly enough,” then that’s really shitty and should be stopped. But if a trans girl hears that, it means something even more awful for her. You’re not really a girl. You’re bad at being a girl. You’re a fake girl. You’re a boy.

On top of how hard it is to be transgender in a cissexist world, it’s also really hard to be a child. It can be hard to have two moms in a heterosexist world. It can be hard to have a transgender mom. Put that all together, and I’m just one giant ball of anxiety who is frequently at a loss for the perfect way to help my child navigate the world. Oh, and I’m a target for heterosexist bullshit, too.

Shitty people “blame” bad parenting for kids being trans all the time, and straight cis parents have to deal with that horribleness, too. But we’ve even had kind of cool people “blame” us for our kid being trans. Obviously, the reasoning goes, we were too proud and weren’t considering what kind of influence we were having on our child, and now she’s forced to be trans. She was never allowed to “explore” if she’s cis. She’s mimicking her trans mama, because we’re way too focused on queer politics to properly raise a cis kid. Of course, these statements could be completely flipped to explain how hard it is to be a queer kid in a homophobic household, and the double standard is offensive enough. But underlying this statement is the implication that we did something bad to our kid; that being trans is bad. Straight parents are told this all the time, that they did something bad and hurt their kids by making them trans. But we in specific are being told our identities are bad, and it’s our identities that hurt our kid.

My child is standing on the shoulders of Marsha P. Johnson, Sylvia Rivera, Jazz Jennings, and everyone else that has fought so hard for a world where a preschooler can realize she is transgender, be supported by her school’s policies, and have the resources she needs. However, for so many of us, we realized we were LGBTQ after we are already homophobic, heterosexist, and cissexist. It’s a weird thing to go through, to have to rekindle a love for ourselves while living in a world that hates us, especially after we participated in that hate once, too. We’re doing our best to help our child avoid that particular internalization, but her parents didn’t.

I’ve mostly vanquished that voice in my head that says I’m not good enough because I’m not straight, but that doesn’t mean it’s gone. I call her Brenda, after Katya Zamolodchikova’s negative voice. When I talk about my child’s gender to people in her life, Brenda is there with me. As I’m arming her for the world, I’m fighting both cissexism and Brenda. Straight parents need to be just as strong and aware as queer parents when raising a trans child, and they will have to unlearn and grow as a straight and cis ally, but they don’t necessarily have to fight their own internalized hatred of themselves. This experience is even more intense for my co-parent, because she shares a transgender identity with our child.

When my child started kindergarten at her public school, the staff there were really excited to implement their new professional development. They were eager to give my child interventions, such as an in-school therapist. They used all the proper language. They were committed to welcoming my child. And they were all straight as fuck. They were honestly so into themselves and how prepared they were to be an ally to my child that it was hard for me to point out just how wrong they were.

During a talk with the principal, she casually said “All kids mimic their parents, and that’s fine.” Ice ran down my spine; I knew she was revealing that she thinks my kid is only trans because her mama is. I wanted to say “Yeah, by turning a banana into a phone and pretending to make dinner plans with their friends, not by adopting their gender!” But there was Brenda, whispering in the back of my mind that if I counter what the principal thinks, she’ll take away the interventions. The principal isn’t a queer weirdo like me, so I should just let her say whatever she wants.

When I met my child’s first grade teacher, she said that she thinks it’s best to just let my child “be gender neutral” — why make her choose? She went on to explain that she didn’t think such labels were “helpful for childhood development.” My head swirled with this casual condemnation of my parenting and my child’s gender. This teacher had clearly never heard about the struggles agender and genderqueer people go through, either. But instead, I stayed quiet, convinced by Brenda’s voice telling me look! Even my child’s teacher is more radical about gender than me! She knows that I pushed my queer lifestyle onto my child and didn’t work hard enough to let my child feel free. I bit my tongue and didn’t point out just how completely cissexist she was being.

But in the straight, cis echo chamber of my child’s school, this became a progressive idea. I began to hear it from the principal, an administrator, and the other first grade teacher. Now I had to push back on the bullshit that I had allowed to go unchecked. At the next check-in meeting with my child’s teacher, therapist, and administrators, I had to lay out that the idea that transgender kids are “forced to choose” a gender is ridiculous. No one is questioning whether the cis kids are being forced to choose. Additionally, my child’s gender is not a label; it’s an identity. This identity has been forged by badass transgender people before her, and she continues to create her own relationship to her identity as she desires. When people with privilege refer to marginalized identities as “labels,” they are ignoring that these identities are sites of community and struggle for liberation. As an ally, it is their job to accept what queer and transgender people say, not to embellish on it. And THAT is what I should have said from the beginning, right after I told Brenda to shut the hell up.

Like all parents, I have no idea what I’m doing. We all have baggage we’re hopefully working through, and that can get in the way of trusting our parenting choices. I have no clue if I’m making the correct choices. For our family, sometimes gender-neutral parenting can seem like gender-derisive parenting. For our family, when my child says she does something because she is a girl, it’s not appropriate for us to sit down for a talk about breaking down the gender binary. When she says “I wear dresses because I’m a girl,” she’s speaking about her own experiences as a transgender child. “Boys can wear dresses, too, honey,” could seem like I’m saying that wearing dresses isn’t enough for her to be considered a girl. If a cisgender girl says something about her appearance, it can be harmful to continue to focus on that. I really don’t think I would comment on a cisgender girl’s appearance when she points out her clothes. But when my child, who thinks she “looks like a boy,” twirls in her dress, I tell her she looks beautiful. And because I know that my baby’s heart breaks when she is called a boy by other kids on the playground, my daughter wears a shirt in the splash pad.

Yes, that's a transgender-since-pre-school kid whose dad (sorry, 'co-parent') is also a tranny and whose mom identifies as a 'queer/bi femme'.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

Speaking of insane:

https://www.autostraddle.com/like-the-other-kids-raising-my-trans-child-in-a-cissexist-world-439567/



Yes, that's a transgender-since-pre-school kid whose dad (sorry, 'co-parent') is also a tranny and whose mom identifies as a 'queer/bi femme'.

So they're a spicy straight couple writing on a lesbian site? What happened to Autostraddle? They used to have okay pop culture and news stuff, and now it's fat troons telling lesbians how to suck dick and, well, this.

 

[Kaiser Wilhelm's Ghost]

Jazz was on blockers since he was a child. He still doesn’t pass. The build of his shoulders, his brow ridge, his facial features are still tellingly masculine.

We’re seeing that the blockers+cross sex hormone route isn’t a foolproof guarantee that these and other typically male features will be stunted. Nature uh, finds a way. The answer isn’t to give them to younger and younger kids, but to toss them out altogether as treatment.

We are far too conditioned by manipulated/shopped images on our screens. Seeing troons IRL or in unaltered video and photos gives the game away.

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Now we know what happened to Hodor after GOT.

 

[JohnDoe]

Speaking of insane:

https://www.autostraddle.com/like-the-other-kids-raising-my-trans-child-in-a-cissexist-world-439567/

Yes, that's a transgender-since-pre-school kid whose dad (sorry, 'co-parent') is also a tranny and whose mom identifies as a 'queer/bi femme'.

Why hasn't CPS rescued this child yet?

Like all parents, I have no idea what I’m doing. We all have baggage we’re hopefully working through, and that can get in the way of trusting our parenting choices. I have no clue if I’m making the correct choices.

Here's a hint - you're not. Give your kid up to pretty much anyone else. Give a pair of border collies your child, they'll do a better job as they are smarter and more sane than you.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

So they're a spicy straight couple writing on a lesbian site? What happened to Autostraddle?

Autostraddles time as a site for lesbians has been over for years. It's all about bisexuals, troonery, gender snowflakeism etc.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

This might not be the best thread for this, but someone was telling me about a drama in the UK about a kid who trooned out, which I'm guessing probably encouraged even more to do so/even more parents to think their eff eminent/possibly pre-gay kids are actually brave womyn...
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/tv/itv-butterfly-anna-friel-transgender-15279996

Spoiler

#islamiccontent

"As he looks into a huge fish tank on his day out, he imagines seeing a mermaid.

In fact it was the team at Mermaids, the charity for young trans people and their families, who offered advice to the programme makers."

Anna Friel?!

It's especially shitty because I'm sure a lot of kids who have been sexually abused are being caught up in this. Kids have difficulty reacting to sexual trauma and often react to it in weird ways, including by demonstrating a hatred towards their gender or their body. They need therapy and medication for PTSD, not a neovagina.

In fact, 20 years ago it would be eyebrow-raising if a kid suddenly started having very strong opinions about genitals, gender or sexual activities at an early age because that could be a probable sign of sexual abuse. Now it's a sign that your kid is a beautiful egg waiting to be hatched.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some child molester uses that argument in their defense.

once you devolped secondary sexy characteristics its alot harder to pass.

remember beyond getting your dick chopped off there can be 100K plus is feminization surgery shaving the adams apple etc

Better to be a mannish trans woman than a dickless cis man.

 

[Puddleduck]

Anna Friel?!

I was disappointed too ...

I like the song Madonna wrote about her though

Spoiler

ANNA FRIEL, like I just don't care!!

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

There are numerous good reasons not to stop kids from having puberty that have nothing at all to do with aesthetics. Who gives a shit what you look like tbh when we have no idea what important biological processes are being stopped at the same time? This obsession they have with looks "at all costs" is frightening.

For all anyone knows these kids will also never emotionally mature and who knows whether they'll wind up with a bunch of wierd hormonal issues if the body fights to start puberty again as soon as the blockers are switched to hormone "replacement" causing a giant internal hormone fight. Who knows what that will lead to? But yeah, let's just experiment on a bunch of confused children. I have no idea how any professional ever thought this was a good idea. It's absolutely terrifying.

This shit is a lot similar to when people pick up anorexia at a young age and stunt their puberty, for example the lich queen. Regardless of the fact she's a gigantic bitch, she started starving herself at 10-13 and fucked up her puberty so she has a 10-13 y/o mentality in a 20 something y/o body because her brain never or barely went through those important chemical changes that mature your sense of thinking. So basically not only are these drugs shaving off IQ points, they're stunting the kids' brain development and turning them into childish borderline retarded adults.

Puberty happens when it does for a reason, stop fucking with it.

 

[SelmaHendersen]

Keybored, I don't mean to pick apart your well-intentioned and mostly accurate post, but I take issue with the latter end of your statements. Hormone pills don't stop childrens' brains from developing or stunt their developments/turn them into 'childish adults'. Putting a male child on estrogen will cause him to go through a "female" puberty, as opposed to his male puberty, but it's still puberty. If you were to put him exclusively on hormone blockers and no estrogen, then you may be correct.

To be completely clear I am mostly against allowing transgender children to transition and it should be discouraged at ALL costs. Furthermore, it should be against the law to allow children to read, view, or learn of ANYTHING to do with transgenders, cross-sex hormones, and sex reassignment surgery. Of COURSE a kid is going to think the idea of transforming is cool, especially if he's a mildly effeminate child who exoticizes himself from masculinity and his male peers already. At that point, the tiniest of nudges would send him over the borderline and into wo man's land. The very idea makes me shudder and I must now go cross myself.

 

[GrungyLawnChlorinate]

Speaking of insane:

https://www.autostraddle.com/like-the-other-kids-raising-my-trans-child-in-a-cissexist-world-439567/



Yes, that's a transgender-since-pre-school kid whose dad (sorry, 'co-parent') is also a tranny and whose mom identifies as a 'queer/bi femme'.

"My child came out as transgender when she was in preschool. She’s nine now. During that time, I’ve done my best to help her feel empowered and keep her safe, failing miserably from time to time. I’ve watched her introduce herself with internalized cissexism. “I look like a boy, but I’m really a girl.”

Child protective services should have become involved long ago. Those parents are monsters. That kid is already ruined and not yet 10 years old.

How sad and horrifying it'll be when he gets his surgical wound installed and realizes he'll never attain the womanhood he was promised, that he was lied to all of his life.

My child is standing on the shoulders of Marsha P. Johnson, Sylvia Rivera, Jazz Jennings

Johnson was transvestite drag queen, Sylvia Rivera was an mentally ill autogynephile, and Jazz Jennings is the victim of Muchausen-by-proxy. If you place your child on those shoulders you are definitely an asshole.

So we have

An article depicting obvious child abuse, by a heterosexual couple, on a web site purportedly aimed at lesbians

A calendar with images of drag queens and BDSM baring the logo of a purportedly childrens’ charity

10 year old boys performing drag and having money thrown at them in an adult male gay club

A 10 year old boy posing with a naked man

There is something very wrong going on here. It’s like someone is setting up the backlash by trying to attribute all these obviously abhorrent things that are happening in the name of trans rights onto lesbians and gay men. We need a conversation about this. If anyone has access to all the links could they start a thread? I’m crap at that but it needs to be picked over.

source: mumsnet's take on the article

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Keybored, I don't mean to pick apart your well-intentioned and mostly accurate post, but I take issue with the latter end of your statements. Hormone pills don't stop childrens' brains from developing or stunt their developments/turn them into 'childish adults'. Putting a male child on estrogen will cause him to go through a "female" puberty, as opposed to his male puberty, but it's still puberty. If you were to put him exclusively on hormone blockers and no estrogen, then you may be correct.

While there has been a study done showing no reduction in executive function from kids who were placed on puberty blockers, I'm skeptical about it. When it comes to transitioning kids, a lot of the research is ideologically-motivated. It's pretty easy to get the results you want from a study by cherry-picking participants.

Realistically we don't know much about the long-term effects of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones on brain development because there's just no population to study. It's a wild medical experiment.

 

[SelmaHendersen]

While there has been a study done showing no reduction in executive function from kids who were placed on puberty blockers, I'm skeptical about it. When it comes to transitioning kids, a lot of the research is ideologically-motivated. It's pretty easy to get the results you want from a study by cherry-picking participants.

Realistically we don't know much about the long-term effects of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones on brain development because there's just no population to study. It's a wild medical experiment.

Thank you for your thoughtful response. Maybe there are studies on people with untreated Kallmann Syndrome, a syndrome which causes the inability to produce the hormones necessary for sexual maturation. I don't trust the studies either, as they're probably encouraging the most societally destructive paths, and obscuring negative phenomenons. It's a shame that these children are being used as experiments, and it's especially heinous that these kids are essentially LGBT janissaries - tranissaries, if you will.

 

[Video Games]

Putting a male child on estrogen will cause him to go through a "female" puberty, as opposed to his male puberty, but it's still puberty. If you were to put him exclusively on hormone blockers and no estrogen, then you may be correct.

Inducing gynecomastia in a boy and stunting the growth of his penis and testicles is not "female puberty."

I don't think any of us can say for certain the effect--if any--that preventing natural puberty and inducing the growth of opposite-sex secondary sex characteristics has on a child's brain, which is the problem. No one knows. And these drugs are being prescribed regardless.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that this level of extreme medical intervention without oversight and research hasn't been seen since the days of the transorbital lobotomy craze. It appalls me both that it is happening and that the majority of people seeing it happen don't seem to be appalled.