Megathread TERFs / Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists / Gender Critical Feminists - ft. r/GenderCritical & related reddits, Mancheeze, Cathy Brennan, GCDad, RadFHarva, Jamie Shupe, etc; "Gender Critical Feminism is Homophobic" - Cathy Brennan, 2019.

Only TERFs would call a feminist who wastes other feminists' money filing a bad faith lawsuit "clever" for exploiting her 15 minutes.
I call it as I see it: stupid, wasteful, pointless and desperate. Not to mention cynically self-promoting.
I know she desperately wants to go into the feminist history books as the TERF who stood up for the right to speak truth to troons, but abusing the legal system to raise awareness for your cause because everyone is either ignoring you or deplatforming you is just pathetic attention-whoring.



All this fucking legal hassle and all that feminist money wasted because of a man? Very feminist.
Of course this lolsuit does absolutely nothing to help any woman anywhere or anyone for that matter.
It's just another Section 230 frivolous lolsuit from another #butthurt Twitter user.
This is what happens when you have a generation of women growing up watching The Good Wife on the telly.
They all want to be Alicia Florrick.

The /law armchair lawyers of reddit think that this will end with a demurrer from Twitter ("Lawyers informally define a demurrer as a defendant saying "So what?" to the pleading."). This comment was funny:

"The attorneys representing Murphy write for Breitbart and one is a professor at Michigan State University."
https://www.reddit.com/r/law/commen...hy_sues_twitter_after_she_was_banned/egcq68l/

What a stellar legal team Meghan. Keep donating feminists, make these Breitbart lawyers rich.

This is one of her lawyers on Twitter:

2/ Our firm filed this lawsuit Monday as local counsel. Filed on behalf of Canadian feminist writer Meghan Murphy, the case raises important issues about censorship on social media platforms such as Twitter, and the ability of these platforms to change their terms of service...
https://twitter.com/pnjaban/status/1095213524236845058

3/ without notifying their users, and then retroactively imposing new rules to strip users of their accounts and silence them. Our client questions the denial that there are differences between women and transgender men, as do many other feminists. Her use of the wrong pronoun...
https://twitter.com/pnjaban/status/1095213524966617089

4/ got her permanently banned from Twitter. We are suing Twitter for violating its own Terms of Service and breaching its contract with users, as well as engaging in unfair business practices against Murphy and other users. A link to the lawsuit is here:
https://twitter.com/pnjaban/status/1095213525641900032

This is from an article on the website THEM (the most cultic of SJW trans cult websites) giving an example of Meghan misgendering a troon in a tweet, explaining why this is unbareable torture for troons:

Take this concrete example, from Meghan Murphy, founder and editor of the trans-exclusionary site Feminist Current.

https://twitter.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1012076754087735296

Murphy was reacting to a situation in which Clymer was allegedly asked for ID to use a restroom, and then kicked out of a restaurant. Murphy calls Clymer a “dude” and repeatedly uses the pronoun “he” to refer to her despite Clymer's own stated identity. Murphy’s use of “dude” to refer to a trans woman clearly functions in a similar way as a slur against her, a way to question the validity of her identity and degrade her in the process. The fact that the misuse of pronouns also function in this way is even more pernicious, because people can and do repeatedly insult trans people without any consequence by using the wrong pronouns to refer to them.


https://www.them.us/story/twitter-needs-to-treat-misgendering-trans-people-as-hate-speech

There are literally countless of examples of Meghan doing this, even while tweeting troons themselves, misgendering and deadnaming them to their faces. All Twitter has to do is find those instances, present them in court and say that this was part of their background research into her conduct on Twitter. Twitter can say that their algorithm alerted them to her account being a repeat offender (that way they can disavow political bias and blame the algorithm), that they then had a human go through her timeline to see if the algo had made a mistake, that they found that she was consistently deadnaming and misgendering transpeople, to the point where enforcing their new policy meant banning the entire account. Twitter can even include the article from THEM to show the court that Meghan's conduct on their site was highlighted by troons as a form of harassment.



I see feminists being casual about filing frivolous lawsuits as a way to advertise their gender criticism in the media. Courts are not your advertising platform. I find this abuse of the law and this waste of legal resources very disturbing coming from a group of women claiming to uphold "rights" while purporting to debate troons on the merits of the law (that they are unfamiliar and nonconversant in). Worst of all is that she's asking feminists to donate to this litigiousness, who happily oblige her because... they are OK with this. They think it's a good idea to file a mertiless lawsuit for the sake of media whoring your cause. I hate troon censorship of the social media but this too is really dirty and nasty.

Look, I'm really truly sorry I tried to answer your questions ok? Again, ALL of the ideas in my comments are rehashes of shit other people already said in this thread. They are not my ideas. Forgive me for trying to answer you. Next time I'll just say, "read the thread." SO SORRY.

Edit: also stop calling me a TERF. You clearly do not know my political leanings in the the slightest.
 
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4) Bear in mind, most people have no idea what's going on with this shit with trannies and TERFs, etc. and how easily twitter will ignore it's terms of use if it doesn't like your opinions. This will make blow it up to some degree.

Yeah, Murphy has already managed to get a fairly positive piece in the National Post, one of Canada's more prominent newspapers. It also touches on the Yaniv case, but it does not refer to him by name (apparently they are forced to follow the kangaroo court "human tribunal" rules).

'Yeeeah it's him': Vancouver writer sues Twitter over its rule against misgendering trans people
Meghan Murphy says Twitter has unfairly banned her

A feminist writer in Vancouver claims in a new lawsuit that Twitter banned her for using a male pronoun for the transwoman complainant in a human rights dispute over access to genital waxing at beauty salons.

“Yeeeah it’s him,” Meghan Murphy tweeted about an image of the complainant, which she claims Twitter cited as the reason for being kicked off the social media site.
The complainant in the human rights cases against salons denied the lawsuit’s claim that all 16 of them relate to genital waxing. One is about a haircut, for example. She said she is “legally female,” and that neither Murphy nor her lawyers know as much about her genitalia as they claim to in the lawsuit documents. She also denied the claim of having connections at Twitter. The National Post is not naming the complainant in accordance with an order of the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal.
Potentially interesting future development:
Murphy said she hopes to win access to the complainant’s emails about her or Twitter, to help her build the case that Twitter has unfairly banned her.
Based on the commentary above, it looks like this lawsuit doesn't have much of a chance of success, but could it at least reach the point in discovery where Yaniv's emails are produced?
 
There are literally countless of examples of Meghan doing this, even while tweeting troons themselves, misgendering and deadnaming them to their faces. All Twitter has to do is find those instances, present them in court and say that this was part of their background research into her conduct on Twitter.
except that Murphy already listed the exhaustive advertising that twitter did about being a free speech platform, and that their terms of service say they won't apply new rules retroactively.

You're REEEing here, and getting to mad on the internet to see things rationally. Twitter has to answer for the decisions it is making, and that is probably most of what she is after. That is something that is a "win" for many people who do not prevail in their lawsuits, finally being able to get a person or entity to answer for something they said or did when otherwise they could ignore being accountable. This legal action will launch an internal investigation of some sort, and publicity of this issue has already started as a result of filing suit. Being unable to prove your case does not mean that you exactly lost, just that the judge could not be sure enough to award you something. You seem like you're a very black or white type of thinker, but this kind of gray area is how the legal world functions most of the time. She is doing the world some good by filing this suit, even though a bunch of assholes will probably taunt her for losing, as if legal judgements are actual reflections of the truth instead of assessments authored by fallible human beings. The legal system is better than nothing, but it is extremely fucked up because it falls short of its aims so often. Suing is always a gamble, always, even very good cases get tossed, and some shitty cases get awarded damages. Go hang out at your local small claims court for a couple of days and see how things work out, guess what happens as a result of the actions when the defendants go home, etc. It can be pretty eye opening.
 
except that Murphy already listed the exhaustive advertising that twitter did about being a free speech platform, and that their terms of service say they won't apply new rules retroactively.

You're REEEing here, and getting to mad on the internet to see things rationally. Twitter has to answer for the decisions it is making, and that is probably most of what she is after. That is something that is a "win" for many people who do not prevail in their lawsuits, finally being able to get a person or entity to answer for something they said or did when otherwise they could ignore being accountable. This legal action will launch an internal investigation of some sort, and publicity of this issue has already started as a result of filing suit. Being unable to prove your case does not mean that you exactly lost, just that the judge could not be sure enough to award you something. You seem like you're a very black or white type of thinker, but this kind of gray area is how the legal world functions most of the time. She is doing the world some good by filing this suit, even though a bunch of assholes will probably taunt her for losing, as if legal judgements are actual reflections of the truth instead of assessments authored by fallible human beings. The legal system is better than nothing, but it is extremely fucked up because it falls short of its aims so often. Suing is always a gamble, always, even very good cases get tossed, and some shitty cases get awarded damages. Go hang out at your local small claims court for a couple of days and see how things work out, guess what happens as a result of the actions when the defendants go home, etc. It can be pretty eye opening.
Agreed.
Small footholds in legal precedent are how the American legal system works. I don't mean to sound patronizing by getting so elemental but the Eric Goldman blog post above is a prime example - every little citation he drops is not necessarily related to actual result of the case, but rather to some component of the decision. Most of the major workings of law are callbacks to small mechanics of much larger cases - you don't look at a decision and say, "Well, this serial killer was not acquitted, therefore serial killing is still illegal." You say, "the government didn't release all of the exculpatory evidence in favor of the serial killer and the judge noticed that it violates his right to due process from now on the government is responsible for doing that."
What I would hope for in a case like Murphy's is mostly related to what I think should be discoverable. What were Twitter's movements leading up to the decision, how is that decision applied across the whole platform, etcetera. That's our big target now, because right now the entire argument is sitting on "Twitter doesn't even need a reason." Convincing a judge that that information is within the scope of discovery is a step.
 
Only TERFs would call a feminist who wastes other feminists' money filing a bad faith lawsuit "clever" for exploiting her 15 minutes.
I call it as I see it: stupid, wasteful, pointless and desperate. Not to mention cynically self-promoting.
I know she desperately wants to go into the feminist history books as the TERF who stood up for the right to speak truth to troons, but abusing the legal system to raise awareness for your cause because everyone is either ignoring you or deplatforming you is just pathetic attention-whoring.

All this fucking legal hassle and all that feminist money wasted because of a man? Very feminist.
Of course this lolsuit does absolutely nothing to help any woman anywhere or anyone for that matter.
It's just another Section 230 frivolous lolsuit from another #butthurt Twitter user.

She has as least as much a right to file suit as Yaniv did to file his 16 lolcomplaints.

And if the tables were turned--if Twitter decided tomorrow that "trans women are women" was a bannable offense, you probably wouldn't be here mewling about how Twitter and other SM platforms can do what they want with no warning.

@Null got Tweets censored for not even using Yaniv's name. Yaniv has racheted up pressure on @Null's service providers, essentially asserting that, among other things, a selfie Yaniv posted with a young girl in the background in a public bathroom violates the law. So if @Null gets his Cloudflare or ISP pulled, will you just think that's fine? He shouldn't legally respond because it's just histrionic for him to do so?

Yaniv's EIGHT YEAR screenshotted history of inappropriate conversations around children, plus his suing working-class beauticians, plus yammering about how he got MM "personally" banned from Twitter is why people--including those who aren't "TERFs" or "feminists" are upset.
 
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>half-hour to find out why

Anyone know why? The TOS probably limits her to arbitration and that in California or wherever they have their paid toadies to decide against you in a rigged process.

The TOS don't matter, honestly. Website TOS have not been really tested in court IMO, and if Twitter violated their part of the contract it may invalidate other parts of the contract.

A court would not have accepted the case if there was not grounds to do so. It may be an unintentional side effect, but if the TOS do come up it could establish relevant caselaw.
 
The TOS don't matter, honestly. Website TOS have not been really tested in court IMO, and if Twitter violated their part of the contract it may invalidate other parts of the contract.

Generally not, no. Unless there's some reason for a clause not to be severable, the clause in virtually every contract stating that the invalidity of one clause does not invalidate others applies, and Twitter's TOS has that.

Courts have also nearly universally upheld arbitration clauses, even ludicrously lopsided ones.

In this case, though, Twitter doesn't have such a clause for whatever reason, but they have to be sued in California. A § 230-based defense is very likely, and a very recent appeals case in California doesn't really look great for Murphy.
 
Jared Taylor's (American Renaissance) lawyer Noah Peters is listed as pro hac vice counsel in MM's lawsuit. I don't think he or the main counsel would have gotten involved unless they felt there was a reasonable chance of success.
 
You're REEEing here, and getting to mad on the internet to see things rationally.

I am the one posting link after link to Twitter being consistently victorious in these cases from butthurt users wanting their accounts back. You haven't given me a single example of someone succesfully suing Twitter -or any other social media plaform- and getting their account back. It you are so "rational", where your evidence? You have none and it's evidently meritless lawsuit.

except that Murphy already listed the exhaustive advertising that twitter did about being a free speech platform, and that their terms of service say they won't apply new rules retroactively.

There is case after case saying Twitter, or any other social media platform, is allowed to ban who they want for whatever reason they see fit under Section 230. TERFs have not responded to a single one of those previous cases to show how this case is different. They can't because it's not. It's just another clearcut Section 230 case.

Twitter has to answer for the decisions it is making, and that is probably most of what she is after.

No, that is not what she's after. According to the lawsuit she wants the court to impose an injunction.

This legal action will launch an internal investigation of some sort, and publicity of this issue has already started as a result of filing suit.

Like I said, there was already publicity because Twitter was suspected of having an anti-conservative bias. TERFs didn't pay attention to this other publicity because they are a bunch of self-obsessed navel gazers stuck in their own safespace bubble, just like the troons are. TERFs didn't care when Twitter was banning conservatives, they only cared when their own got banned.

You seem like you're a very black or white type of thinker, but this kind of gray area is how the legal world functions most of the time.

There is nothing "gray" about abusing the discovery process or filing frivolous lawsuits for the sake of famewhorish self-promotion. Is plain abuse of legal process. TERFs are ethically bankrupt for rationalizing this abuse of process in the name of promoting their cause. Typical example of "the end justifies the means" which is the epitome of ethically bankrupt thinking.

She is doing the world some good by filing this suit, even though a bunch of assholes will probably taunt her for losing

She is doing no one any good engaging in a frivilous meritless lolsuit speding other women's money to do so, and people laughing at her for going in to lose are absolutely right.

Most of the major workings of law are callbacks to small mechanics of much larger cases - you don't look at a decision and say, "Well, this serial killer was not acquitted, therefore serial killing is still illegal."

That's irrelevant. There is case after case of courts saying social media platforms can ban who they want when they want under Section 230. This case is no different from all those other cases.

“We are grateful for every effort to bring attention to the growing — and by now indisputable — problem of the censorship of viewpoints that are out of favor in Silicon Valley," NRB Vice President of communications James A. Smith Sr. told PJ Media on Wednesday. "Unfortunately, there seems to be no end to Twitter’s willingness to suppress ideas and opinions that run counter to its corporate values."

"The continued censorship of Christian and conservative beliefs is validation of our conviction that it’s time for Congress to carefully evaluate the ‘Good Samaritan’ protections in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act enjoyed by Big Tech," Smith concluded.

If Congress amends Section 230, lawsuits like Meghan Murphy's will not just multiply — they'll become even more devastating. Unlike Meghan Murphy's lawsuit, they may also involve hefty monetary damages. Twitter had better clean up its act, and fast.


https://pjmedia.com/trending/feminists-lawsuit-against-twitter-the-first-of-many-lawyers-say/

Changing Section 230 is a political issue, not a legal issue. Stop abusing the courts for political reasons. If you want to change a law go to your law makers, that's what they're elected for, to make better laws.

What were Twitter's movements leading up to the decision, how is that decision applied across the whole platform, etcetera.

TERFs can continue to act like they don't know what was happening, everybody who follows SJW circles on Twitter was a direct witness to what was happening and knows exactly what led to all this.

Twitter TERFs have this demented idea that they have a right to subject troons and others to their gender critical views which of course is bullshit and is exactly the reason why the ToS was changed: because Twitter TERFs would go looking for discussions on trans issues between troons and others, insert themselves into those threads and begin deadnaming/misgendering troons to their faces to let them know that they are not having any of it and are standing up to the Man. You could tell that TERFs really got a kick out of misgendering/deadnaming troons to their faces. It made them feel like badass rebels and they became addicted to the rush so they would seek out those threads and start fights with troons repeatedly. Some TERF accounts on Twitter did nothing but engage troons and initiate/participate dogpiles against them. Everyone knew this was happening, feminists knew it and troons knew it.

Meghan followed plently of these accounts and sometimes participated in or initiated dogpiles on her own account, usually by using the embedded tweet feature, as I explained before. Meghan would embed a particularly stupid or offensive tweet from a troon, and as her fellow TERFs responded to the embedded tweet, all of their responses would show up on the troon's Mentions timeline. This is how TERFs dogpiled troons on Twitter for years. After Twitter began banning them for dogpiling, they would take a screenshot of the tweet rather than embed it, but that was less fun for the TERFs because they really wanted to trigger the troons into responding so they could engage them and get in their faces. Troons were complaining about this abuse of the embed feature forever and a day, and I believe that was ulitmately the reason for the ToS change, not the TERF conspiracy bullshit with Ballwaxer contacting his people at Twitter to secretly enact the change. It was coming down the pike, whether Ballwaxer was the catalyst or not, it was TERFs themselves who brought this onto themselves because of their addiction to triggering and fighting troons on Twitter.

You can rest assured Twitter knew all about this shit going on, and if asked to they will show evidence in court to explain both the ToS change and why they banned Meghan.

She has as least as much a right to file suit as Yaniv did to file his 16 lolcomplaints.

A troon abusing the legal system does not give a TERF the right to do the same thing. Two wrongs don't make a right. Like I said, Ballwaxer is not a party to this lolsuit. TERFs can keep bringing him up as an excuse for suing Twitter, but at the end of the day he's not a party, so what he did or claims to have done is irrelevant to this case. It's all abuse of law, it's all clogging up the legal system with frivolous lawsuits.

Finally, suppose Meghan won the lolsuit and got her Twitter account back.
Would she then abide by the new ToS that bans misgendering/deadnaming, now that she's aware of the changes to the ToS?

Of course not. Meghan has made it abudantly clear that she intends to violate the new ToS by continuing to misgender and deadname troons to their faces, in direct tweets like she has done for years. In the lolsuit she openly announces her intent to violate the new ToS because she thinks the ban violates her free speech right to deadname and misgender troons in the context of gender critical feminist activism. All of this will be brought up by Twitter. The argument that the ban was enacted retroactively, or that Meghan wasn't informed 30 days in advance is just something her lawyers came up with to claim breach of contract. However, Twitter can point out that Meghan herself has openly admitted that she does not agree to abide by the new ToS, and has thus herself admitted her intent to effectively breach her contract with Twitter. What fucking social media service in their right mind would enter into a contract with a user knowing that this user would violate their new ToS by their own public admission? Meghan cannot retroactively retract these statements of intent on her part and say: "Oh, I would agree to abide by the new ToS and refrain from deadnaming/misgendering troons, as long as I get my account back.", because no one would believe that, and neither does Twitter, hence why she remains banned.
 
I am the one posting link after link to Twitter being consistently victorious in these cases from butthurt users wanting their accounts back. You haven't given me a single example of someone succesfully suing Twitter -or any other social media plaform- and getting their account back. It you are so "rational", where your evidence? You have none and it's evidently meritless lawsuit.
Why would I post evidence that the lawsuit will be won when I never said that it would? I specifically argued that the judgement is not the only result of suing. Do you understand the previous sentence? y/n
 
Generally not, no. Unless there's some reason for a clause not to be severable, the clause in virtually every contract stating that the invalidity of one clause does not invalidate others applies, and Twitter's TOS has that.

Courts have also nearly universally upheld arbitration clauses, even ludicrously lopsided ones.

In this case, though, Twitter doesn't have such a clause for whatever reason, but they have to be sued in California. A § 230-based defense is very likely, and a very recent appeals case in California doesn't really look great for Murphy.

I think you are confusing contracts with website TOS. Website TOS have not been seen as binding as contracts, and unless I am wrong have not really been tested in courts. The idea that people are implicitly agreeing to whatever bullshit might be in the TOS simply by browsing/using the website is pretty fucking suspect.
 
I think you are confusing contracts with website TOS. Website TOS have not been seen as binding as contracts, and unless I am wrong have not really been tested in courts. The idea that people are implicitly agreeing to whatever bullshit might be in the TOS simply by browsing/using the website is pretty fucking suspect.

Feldman v. Google. If you click through it, you're generally bound by it.

If it wouldn't be enforceable as a contract, it isn't as a clickthrough (like some of these that purport to bind you to terms they have not even written yet).

Whether it's actually enforceable or not would have more to do with how prominent the notice was and whether you actually had to agree to it to use the service or product.

Also, since they're suing for breach of contract, you'd think they'd be acknowledging the existence of one by doing so.
 
Feldman v. Google. If you click through it, you're generally bound by it.

If it wouldn't be enforceable as a contract, it isn't as a clickthrough (like some of these that purport to bind you to terms they have not even written yet).

Whether it's actually enforceable or not would have more to do with how prominent the notice was and whether you actually had to agree to it to use the service or product.

Also, since they're suing for breach of contract, you'd think they'd be acknowledging the existence of one by doing so.

Feldman v. Google. does not apply because in that case, the user had to consciously and deliberatly click an 'I Agree' or 'Accept' button. This is very much different from having a passive link at the bottom of a page and expecting people to be bound by whatever terms it states.

It's certainly not as simple as "If you click through it, you're generally bound by it. ", no siree no way no how.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliver...ebsite-terms-of-use-enforceable/#617b8c8af4a7

I haven't signed up to Twitter in a while and don't remember the process, but from what I recall there was no explicit step where you had to agree or acknowledge their ToS. It was just username, password and confirmation by phone or email.
 
I haven't signed up to Twitter in a while and don't remember the process, but from what I recall there was no explicit step where you had to agree or acknowledge their ToS. It was just username, password and confirmation by phone or email.

I don't remember any particular steps either, other than those, and I wasn't interested in giving those fuckers my phone number. However, the plaintiffs are suing over a breach of contract.

Why would they be doing that if they were contesting whether there was one?
 
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I don't remember any particular steps either, other than those, and I wasn't interested in giving those fuckers my phone number. However, the plaintiffs are suing over a breach of contract.

Why would they be doing that if they were contesting whether there was one?

Honestly I haven't really looked at what they filed at all, was just browsing the sub and replied to you. Main thing I was saying that website TOS being enforced is not clear cut.

Maybe they are suing over implied/assumed contract? I don't know. If they are suing over the actual ToS, then yeah, not much of a case I would think.
 
Honestly I haven't really looked at what they filed at all, was just browsing the sub and replied to you. Main thing I was saying that website TOS being enforced is not clear cut.

Maybe they are suing over implied/assumed contract? I don't know. If they are suing over the actual ToS, then yeah, not much of a case I would think.

They're suing over three things. The first is breach of contract, and they assume in pleading that that there actually is, as Twitter claims, a binding agreement between the parties. I can't see Twitter wanting to argue what they describe as an agreement isn't binding. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot for any future suit where they want to try to enforce it.

The other is promissory estoppel, which isn't contract as such but an equitable doctrine that you can't get an advantage by inducing someone to rely on a promise and then just jerk it out from under them.

The third is unfair competition, particularly false advertising, that Twitter's lengthy history of claiming to be a free speech platform is false advertising that induced people to join and contribute to the site, when nothing of the sort is actually true and the opinions you're allowed to have there are strictly limited. You have to completely agree with tranny propaganda or get out.
 
They're suing over three things. The first is breach of contract, and they assume in pleading that that there actually is, as Twitter claims, a binding agreement between the parties. I can't see Twitter wanting to argue what they describe as an agreement isn't binding. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot for any future suit where they want to try to enforce it.

The other is promissory estoppel, which isn't contract as such but an equitable doctrine that you can't get an advantage by inducing someone to rely on a promise and then just jerk it out from under them.

The third is unfair competition, particularly false advertising, that Twitter's lengthy history of claiming to be a free speech platform is false advertising that induced people to join and contribute to the site, when nothing of the sort is actually true and the opinions you're allowed to have there are strictly limited. You have to completely agree with tranny propaganda or get out.

Interesting. Agree with you on the first point and I wonder how it will turn out, it it even proceeds.

I think the third claim is the most promising, but I don't see it really getting anywhere.

I wonder if they will just settle, not for money but to unban her?
 
I think the third claim is the most promising, but I don't see it really getting anywhere.

Actually, the third claim is the least promising: "unfair competition" was already brought up in the Jared Taylor case against Twitter and was tossed out due to, you guessed it, Section 230.

I wonder if they will just settle, not for money but to unban her?

They obviously won't settle out of court because unlike TERFs who go to court to lose, Twitter goes to court to win, just like they have in all these other cases from #butthurt users wanting their accounts back.

They will never unban her because she already indicated (in that "This is fucking bullshit, @twitter" tweet) that she fundamentally disagrees with the new ToS and does not intend to play by the new rules. It's funny how she demands that Twitter abide by their contract when she herself has made it abundantly clear that she fundamentally disagrees with the new rules, which can only mean one thing: that she herself a priori intends to violate any new contract offered to her by Twitter, so why would they offer her one and let her back on the site only to watch her violate the new ToS because she thinks it's "bullshit" by her own public admission?

She said as much in her lawsuit as well as that Youtube video, that she has to be able to misgender and deadname trans-people as part of her gender critical activism, that she uses Twitter to engage in such activism, and that this new ToS makes it impossible for her to carry out her gender critical activism of which deadnaming and misgendering are an integral part. She is effectively trying to force Twitter to change their ToS just to allow her to do what she was long used to doing, which of course they will never agree to do.

I see that she has a reddit account that is unused except for an AMA she did some time ago, so why doesn't she use reddit instead to mine the site for news or scoops, now that she's no longer on Twitter and needs to keep up with the news or contact other feminist women? Because she's a "journalist" and considers herself too good for reddit? What was that again about radical feminism wanting to do away with "hierarchies"? These people are completely hierarchical in their thinking and online conduct. They are "serious journalists" who are above the unwashed masses and are just too good for reddit but will still "use those garbage fire websites for research" (like reddit is worse of a dumpfire than Twitter or this site), we can only hope they wash their hands with water and soap after coming here.
 
Actually, the third claim is the least promising: "unfair competition" was already brought up in the Jared Taylor case against Twitter and was tossed out due to, you guessed it, Section 230.

Ah. Thanks.

They will never unban her because she already indicated (in that "This is fucking bullshit, @twitter" tweet) that she fundamentally disagrees with the new ToS and does not intend to play by the new rules. It's funny how she demands that Twitter abide by their contract when she herself has made it abundantly clear that she fundamentally disagrees with the new rules, which can only mean one thing: that she herself a priori intends to violate any new contract offered to her by Twitter, so why would they offer her one and let her back on the site only to watch her violate the new ToS because she thinks it's "bullshit" by her own public admission?

That's actually a really good point. I suppose since the crux of the issue is over deadnaming/misgendering, that she wants a ruling on that point. Courts can invalidate clauses of contracts if they are found to be illegal..., and I guess the question is to what extent can you enforce someone to use gender pronouns that go against biological sex? Except, she filed in California...where I'm pretty sure the law is on twitters side regarding pronouns.

Because she's a "journalist" and considers herself too good for reddit?

I do find it annoying how bloggers call themselves journalists now. FC is a blog, nothing more.

That aside, I also find it interesting when browsing GC how much many of them seem to misunderstand troon arguments and reasoning. Like...it's not hard to understand their arguments even if you disagree with them, but so many genuinely seem unfamiliar with them, and there are a lot of posts trying to understand them...
 
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That's actually a really good point. I suppose since the crux of the issue is over deadnaming/misgendering, that she wants a ruling on that point. Courts can invalidate clauses of contracts if they are found to be illegal..., and I guess the question is to what extent can you enforce someone to use gender pronouns that go against biological sex? Except, she filed in California...where I'm pretty sure the law is on twitters side regarding pronouns.
in her video she pointed out that they disproportionately seem to ban women for these offenses, and it seems to be true from what I have seen. I think that might be where california law would take issue with twitter's actions, since dudes like Glinner have reposted the same information murphy did & been reported, but not banned. Jon Kay got his check mark taken away for the same issue but not banned. Many other women did get suspended or banned for reposting the same thing, so they are going to have to explain why they let men post about yaniv but not women.
 
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