Vic Mignogna fired from Funimation & RoosterTeeth over accusations of sexual harassment

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

Supposedly, the guy is such a big diva that he once threw a tantrum because his M&Ms were the wrong color

Only Van Halen are allowed to complain about M&M color, and that's for safety reasons.

 

[mindlessobserver]

The weird requirements in contracts actually do serve a purpose though. Its done to see how well an event or facility is following through on the contract. These contracts can require large amounts of cash and present a reputation danger for the personalities and acts involved should the event organizers bungle things. Putting in something dumb but immediately obvious like "a bowl of just brown M&M's shall be present in the dressing room" is a way of making sure things are going as planned/advertized. Cuz if the event is not doing the stupid pendantic shit, there is a chance they are also not doing the shit that actually matters.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

The weird requirements in contracts actually do serve a purpose though. Its done to see how well an event or facility is following through on the contract. These contracts can require large amounts of cash and present a reputation danger for the personalities and acts involved should the event organizers bungle things. Putting in something dumb but immediately obvious like "a bowl of just brown M&M's shall be present in the dressing room" is a way of making sure things are going as planned/advertized. Cuz if the event is not doing the stupid pendantic shit, there is a chance they are also not doing the shit that actually matters.

That's what I was referring to, and that's why I said only they were allowed to complain about it.

 

[UY 690]

They still doubling down on this shit even though they were the first to ATTACK them not the other way another. The KickVic folks are asking for it and they wonder why one random crazy guy is asking them he's gonna bomb them hard?

THAT'S ON YOU, Pensacon!

I never saw a company running a con get so mad and dumb over their listen and believe crap.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Sorry for being late to the party. As if it wasn't enough, I saw that vlog via a post on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/MetalLoner/status/1097209982393769984

I wonder what could happen if there's some hidden skeletons in the closets of Christopher Sabat and Monica Rial?

 

[Jaimas]

Every time I think we've hit peak surreality on this one, I'm wrong.

 

[GeePee]

Only Van Halen are allowed to complain about M&M color, and that's for safety reasons.

maybe Linkara stole all the green ones?

 

[Marco Fucko]

Sean Schemmel going into "dfe" mode, I didn't catch the tweet, but this guy made a another video about it:

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Sean Schemmel going into "dfe" mode, I didn't catch the tweet, but this guy made a another video about it:

Looks like things might take a wrong turn for Funimation if that Youtube commenter is right on target. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV7w2-dm1nI&lc=Ugw7BczdZgFdWDtnxfV4AaABAg.8rTf_Osokx58rTlKWH4OBh

Yoshixandir
@Yipsigoon 55 the issue what I have with funimation "investigation" it's kind of vague. I want to believe that they did an actual investigation, however, it seems that they just give in to the twitter mob since it only took them days and they didn't really reveal anything on vic (most of vic supporters just want good evidence to show why he is guilty since most of the evidence from these "victim" is just a hug. Unless they provide good evidence, then it looks like that Monica just slander vic for no reason since she was perfectly fine with vic and even called him a friend 2 months ago) If vic is really is the bad guy then funimation is going to be in serious trouble since they kept vic secret for years not only that but so will the voice actors since they were basically were ok with vic behavior up until this point.

However, if vic is innocent funimation wrongfully terminated vic (which at this point seems to be the case) then they ruined their reputation since they basically fired vic on an assumption and the voice actors are terrible since they literally through their "friend" vic under the bus( although there reputation is already damage due to there immature behavior and assuming that evidence or not beliving monica is harassment.

Hell monica threaten people with court just cause they don't belive her and even threaten homeland security on a 16 year old boy wtf.) Regardless funimation reputation is ruined to many people. Not only that but thanks to the voice actors immature behavior and these "survivors " who survived a hug, actual victims will most likely not be belived since people are going to believe they are lying.

 

[Jaimas]

Looks like things might take a wrong turn for Funimation if that Youtube commenter is right on target. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV7w2-dm1nI&lc=Ugw7BczdZgFdWDtnxfV4AaABAg.8rTf_Osokx58rTlKWH4OBh

He's not wrong, and looking back on it, it may be worse than that.

Spoiler: Words

Funimation's been doing this shit for years. Everyone knows about the GG reference in Prison School shoved in about as elegantly as a pineapple in a double penetration, and the dozens of fucking lines Jamie Marchi fucking altered in Dragon Maid (something that pissed off even Social Justice types), but Funimation's had worse ones, like a VN where they inserted shots at Trump and openly insulted their own audience. It's not just been their fucking VAs, either, their Writing staff has been doing the same shit.

In fact, taking shots at their own audience has been a re-occurring theme with Funimation's staff, to the point where many of their writers engaged in extensive sperg-fighting on Twitter with pissed off fans. Because pissing off the people who are paying your fucking bottom line is the smartest tactic in the history of economics. Just ask Disney.

It got so bad that a lot of weebs were talking boycotts, and that's when Funimation piped up:

Ignoring the CWC-ism for a moment, did you notice how they responded? Something I remember seeing quite a few times, and I'm sure even casual browsers of this forum who observed any shitstorms of the past five years probably picked up on: Ignore actual problem, whine about harassment, optionally declare that there is no ability to discuss said problem due to said harassment.

What this boils down to is that the VAs at Funimation are fucking speds who happily flash their SocJus bonafides, brag about how much they hate their own customers, freely sperg-fight people critical of them on Social Media, openly admit that they'll fuck up localizations just to insert politics, and we know their writers are openly complicit with that shit and just as toxic. We can infer, given this, that whoever the fuck was managing Funimation's Twitter was also down with this entire shit-show, since at no point did it even acknowkledge any wrongdoing on the part of its staff. Not even a no-pology from the writer that started this whole shit-show. Funimation went on to purge the official community boards of any discussion of the controversy, to boot.

The TL;DR is that Funimation's been cultivating a culture that was going to create a situation like Vic at some point. These asshats all know one another and there's evidence of most of them being creepy sexual deviants or being proven as such. Someone getting too pissy at them and firing from the hip was a bygone conclusion, but it looks like they may be reaping what they've sown here.

 

[Secret Asshole]

The problem is that everything is so vastly inconsistent. I've heard stories that he's a huge asshole and a problem to that he's the nicest guy ever to people are just jealous to he was too handsy or that him being handsy isn't accurate to that he was an asshole for years and everyone knew and its like fuck me.

I knew Western VAs were fucking exceptional SJWs, but this is a new level of I don't even know what the fuck is going on. There are so many contradicting stories going around at this point. Which is why, you know, hearsay isn't admissible in court. Because its impossible to untangle this shit.

Maybe the only good to come out of this is...I don't know what anything can come out of this is that everyone in this situation is fucked.

I actually agree pretty strongly with @Secret Asshole on this one.

Historically, when your average SocJus-infected piece of media failed, most of the time, the usual suspects just pretended it hadn't done so or immediately had a sperg-fit on social media (see also: Tale of Tales). However, as time has gone on, bigger and bigger projects that were supposed to be some kind of culture war centerpiece for them failed. A Revolution 60 or a Sunset failing can be shrugged off. Hundreds of indie devs can fail and no one would bat an eye. A few Netflix shows can crash and burn and no one will care.

But recent failures have been the kind that economically, can't be ignored. When you lose half a billion fucking dollars or cause the stock of your company to crater by over 20%, it's time to stop for a moment and ask if all that is really worth bankrupting your ass over.

Pretty much. The only thing that worries me is the appeal to censorship to China, meaning that we're going to get more censorship in exchange for people courting the Chinese market. The last thing we want is China being a fucking cultural juggernaut.

But in terms of the West, yes. The recent failures have been very, very public and widely noticed. Problem is I think we're still in that phase where the pain hasn't gone on long enough to take hold.

 

[Captain Manning]

and the dozens of fucking lines Jamie Marchi fucking altered in Dragon Maid (something that pissed off even Social Justice types)

I haven't see Dragon Maid yet, but it's been on my list, so I thank you for mentioning this.

I'll definitely be watching the sub. Fuck Marchi.

I'm okay with transliteration (you kinda have to do it to avoid having a shit dub), but not outright distortions of what the character is trying to convey.

 

[Nontransferable]

I don't understand why some are using MarzGurl's connection to JewWario as a way to discredit her. They are taking the similar sort of nebulous claims of impropriety against JewWario at face value, while completely discounting the ones against Vic. In the official, "Not So Awesome" document, a "former producer" (never named as JewWario) is anonymously accused of grooming an 18-year-old.

physically I was 18 but had the mind of a 16 year old AT BEST

When people use JewWario to take a swing at MarzGurl, this is one of the (few) accusations they are using to do so. It's insane.

 

[Marco Fucko]

How long ago did Rials say Vic harassed/assaulted her? Juni Taisen aired late 2017 and she doesn't seem to have trouble interacting with Vic.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Call me crazy, but maybe Monica got jilted when Vic wouldn't eat her love nectar cookies.

 

[Captain Manning]

I don't understand why some are using MarzGurl's connection to JewWario as a way to discredit her. They are taking the similar sort of nebulous claims of impropriety against JewWario at face value, while completely discounting the ones against Vic.

It's not so much what JewWario did or didn't do. It's more of the classic "what did she [MarzGurl] know, and when did she know it." The accusations were known internally by CA for a while. CA separated from him as a result of them. Though we wouldn't find that out until years later.

It would look extremely hypocritical if she knew why Michaud canned Carmichael, but kept her trap shut to advance her career with CA, and even used his dead carcass to do so. The main issue people seem to have with MarzGurl is that she's seen as a duplicitous social climber without the actual talent to justify the climb. Tangentially to that is the fact that a lot of people suspect that Vic is being #metooed by the very people who have the most to gain from his ouster (namely Rial and Marchi).

Few people seemed to have any beef with JewWario when he was alive. That's why you got so many tribute videos. Some for exploitation, but probably most sincere.

In contrast, plenty of people have wanted Vic's head for years, if not decades, now. And it's not just (or even mainly) about the accusations of sexual impropriety.

In the official, "Not So Awesome" document, a "former producer" (never named as JewWario) is anonymously accused of grooming an 18-year-old.

The accusation is against JewWario.

We know this to within a reasonable degree of certainty because Michaud fucked up the censorship of the chat logs.

EDIT: Unsure about a certain date.

 

[Nontransferable]

Something I haven't seen brought up yet is Star Trek Continues to which Vic was the CEO, executive chairman and star of. He played Captain Kirk in a web series that aimed to finish the 5-year mission of the Enterprise, which was cut short when the show was cancelled in it's third season.

The reason why any of this matters is because the show was fan funded. They raised $126,028 on Kickstarter in November 2013 and another $214,584 on Kickstarter in February 2015.

In December 2015, CBS and Paramount sued Axanar Productions, another Star Trek fan film type project, for infringing their IP. They had also used Kickstarter to raise funds, generating $101,171 and an additional $638,471 in 2014.

While CBS and Paramount were in litigation with Axanar, Star Trek Continues launched a third fundraiser in March 2016. Their goal was the highest yet at $350,000. (They previously asked for $100,000 each time). Curiously, instead of using Kickstarter again, they switched to the lesser known Indiegogo. Why? The reason is that Kickstarter is an all-or-nothing platform, while Indigogo is more flexible. Indigogo allows creators the option to keep all the money even if they do not meet their goal, which Star Trek Continues did not. They raised $199,049 out of their $350,000 goal.

The question then becomes, how are they going to fulfill their obligations to their contributors with only 56% of the money they requested? Well, shortly after the campaign failed, it was announced that there was nothing to worry about because private donations had been made that would allow them to make up for the shortfall. Are you starting to see how sketchy all of this sounds? It's almost as if they didn't need the money, but wanted to hit up fans one last time for as much money as possible before CBS and Paramount shut their lucrative business down. Which they effectively did, when the Star Trek fan film guidelines were released to which Star Trek Continues would have been in gross violation of.

The fan production must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 segments, episodes or parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total, with no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes.

Star Trek Continues produced 11 episodes in total, each ranging from 40 minutes to 58 minutes.

The fan production must be a real “fan” production, i.e., creators, actors and all other participants must be amateurs, cannot be compensated for their services, and cannot be currently or previously employed on any Star Trek series, films, production of DVDs or with any of CBS or Paramount Pictures’ licensees.

Star Trek Continues famously employed original series actors playing their original series characters.

CBS and Paramount Pictures do not object to limited fundraising for the creation of a fan production, whether 1 or 2 segments and consistent with these guidelines, so long as the total amount does not exceed $50,000, including all platform fees, and when the $50,000 goal is reached, all fundraising must cease.

Star Trek Continues publicly raised $539,661 dollars.

No unlicensed Star Trek-related or fan production-related merchandise or services can be offered for sale or given away as premiums, perks or rewards or in connection with the fan production fundraising.

Star Trek Continues offered posters, coins, t-shirts, signed photos and production worn costumes as incentives to donate.

The fan production cannot derive revenue by selling or licensing fan-created production sets, props or costumes.

Star Trek Continues sold the sets they built for $100,000.

Star Trek Continues was registered as a 501(c)(3) non-profit, so documents as to their expenses have been made public. This might be something for Nick Rekieta to look into. Links to their documents can be found at the following address (also attached below).

https://www.startrekcontinues.com/nonprofit.html

 

[Nontransferable]

It's not so much what JewWario did or didn't do. It's more of the classic "what did she [MarzGurl] know, and when did she know it."

My concern is separate from what she knew and when. I take issue with how these people are treating the anonymous accusations against JewWario as fact. Why are they not being treated with the same level of skepticism as those being lodged against Vic? The people involved in the "Change the Channel" hashtag had a bone to pick with Channel Awesome.

 

[Least Concern]

This might be something for Nick Rekieta to look into.

Why, exactly? Because they couldn't deliver on their crowdfunding campaign? Kickstarter/IGG pledges do not guarantee a return, sadly, and when that return doesn't come because what they were doing was clearly illegal in the first place, the donors really wouldn't have a claim. It'd be like suing your crack dealer because he took your payment but couldn't give you product after he got arrested.

 

[Captain Manning]

Yes, there's a lot of Star Trek fans that don't like Vic and think he back-stabbed Anaxar to corner the market on ST "fan productions." I found this out when I talked about Vic to some Trekkie friends who aren't big anime fans. They knew about him from his ST stuff, and not his anime VA. They didn't have kind words for him.

I don't really have a dog in that fight, because I've never been a huge Trekkie.

Funny story is that they chimed in on that after he got separated from RWBY, and I joked about how Vic voiced a tentacle monster in Sword Art Online. They found that oddly appropriate.

Spoiler: Vic's true form?

Honestly, at the end of the day, I have little trouble believing that Vic is a cow unto himself. That's separate from what they're trying to hang him over though.

My concern is separate from what she knew and when. I take issue with how these people are treating the accusations against JewWario as fact. Why are the anonymous accusations of wrongdoing against JewWario not being treated with the same level of skepticism as those being lodged against Vic?

I couldn't tell you, because I personally am ambivalent about the accusations against JewWario. I neither think he's guilty, or innocent. I think he shot himself in the head for one reason or another.

I have noticed, however, there's a disturbing number of people who find religion on #metoo when it advances their career or exposure, but aren't as concerned when the opposite is true. That might describe MarzGurl.