Furry Fandom and Drama General

[YayLasagna]

Do you think that the furry fandom is due for a major change or shakeup in the next few years or will the fandom learn nothing and continue being the same shitshow it has been for the past few decades?

They will learn nothing as long as people like Dragoneer still run the most popular sites. Nothing will change until then, and the fire will keep growing.
Edit: Fuck it, Reynard summed it all up way better than me.

 

[Poto]

Truly a difficult question. Honestly, with the massive overlap with callout culture, I can see it going both ways. I unfortunately missed out on when it was less of a train wreck, but the way that there’s a number of people bucking against political furs, zoos, and pedos is comforting. Now, the way it’s mostly directed at cub fans and not as much any actual pedos with a record or have shown they’re a danger to society has me kind of meh. The debate of whether or not cub is an outlet so people don’t do things irl, a gateway to doing it irl, or doesn’t mean the fan is into irl pedo stuff is a flame war in and of itself, so I’m not gonna start that. Each argument has some sort of basis I can understand.

My theory, however, is that there will be a sort of split. Such a decentralized fandom will never truly go away, but I can definitely see two sorts of “factions,” if you will, emerging. One will be the all-accepting types, and the other will be more anti murry purry. The issue is I can see these groups falling into the same issues of mob mentality and overzealous hatred of those that are different than them the current one falls into today. Essentially, it’ll change, but nothing will really change is my guess. The burned furs couldn’t do it because they became a haven for people that essentially fall into the r/nofap and other conservative bullshit ideologies that don’t like sexuality in general.

Hell, to me, the degenerate shit isn’t really an issue until it starts affecting people irl. Do I wish people weren’t as forward with it? Absolutely. However, I don’t think that’s gonna change too much, sadly. I think the true issues with the fandom are that it’s too open despite its rampant callout culture that drives so many people away. It’s this weird paradoxical element that makes it so toxic of a community. I just wish it could be like other fandoms where they just have fun sperging about things they love (degenerate or not) and could just act like adults when confronted with issues. Sooner or later that might happen, but I think there will end up being a fight to get it back to that.

"Furries...furries never changes."

Seriously though, I still wonder why furries want so much to be political in the fandom. Most of them barely know what they talk about, and any attempt to get a intelligent conversation will end up with them sperging out and/or trying to ruin your image because you disagree with their "orange man bad" or whatever inept statement they've said.

At the end, no big group feels suitable for one who just want their porn/whatever furry shit they want without some bullshit drama happening, so they either stay within a small circle and never speak of it to no one, be an hermit or leave the fandom.

 

[DemonBox]

"Furries...furries never changes."

Seriously though, I still wonder why furries want so much to be political in the fandom. Most of them barely know what they talk about, and any attempt to get a intelligent conversation will end up with them sperging out and/or trying to ruin your image because you disagree with their "orange man bad" or whatever inept statement they've said.

At the end, no big group feels suitable for one who just want their porn/whatever furry shit they want without some bullshit drama happening, so they either stay within a small circle and never speak of it to no one, be an hermit or leave the fandom.

The major problem is right now is it's presented as a community, not a fandom in the eyes of certain people. These people form cliques which further divides them into groups based on certain interests, beliefs, and social limits. It is cliques of people that don't have much grasp on the world or for some reason involve small bits of other countries into their lives when it does matter, or times being just those that are miserable escapists that want no negative aspects to be thrown into their perfect little worlds.

If anything, there isn't really a sense of teamwork unless someone or a few are looking to benefit from it in a way. Problems are swept under the rug and other members will drag these things into the light years later because a majority wants nothing to do with it. The communities are at odds with themselves and just about anything is enough to shoot themselves in the foot because they are not too bright at handling these social situations more reasonably, that comes with the majority of them, a small minor are actually calm and collected, trying to look for the best situation, but isn't heard a great deal of the time because the majority seem to look towards a figure with big influence and with large influence, come big ass egos.

If fandom members did not pride themselves and build up their egos to such a degree like Jason does to where in their minds that they "did the fandom some favors" or "brought in much needed life" they would try to be more humble to make up for the shit they mess up in, but furries don't see they cause problems most of the time until everyone of their fandoms want to dump their sorry asses.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

"Furries...furries never changes."

Seriously though, I still wonder why furries want so much to be political in the fandom. Most of them barely know what they talk about, and any attempt to get a intelligent conversation will end up with them sperging out and/or trying to ruin your image because you disagree with their "orange man bad" or whatever inept statement they've said.

The fandom is about social interactions and branding yourself. Back in the TF2 days people played it so much they basically labeled themselves by their main class before their IFNTPFJTN-whatever, or even genders (mostly cus nobody did back then). Fast forward 10 years: What's important? YouTube meta-commentators go on about each other on the political spectrum, and the vast majority of furries have grown up and have to deal with the real world and politics.

It seemed to spike with Trump, because you got easy brownie points saying orange man bad. The only thing that turns furries on more than overpriced art is when someone DARES to talk shit about someone else in this soft bean uwu community. That's why 'trans rights' and anti-nazi shit has become so mainstream; nobody gives a shit, it's just easy clout you don't have to back up with actual insight into the situation.

To be furry is to be. It's a label and a degenerate filter on the world. What do you do in your life? Exist? Whine that things aren't as good as they could be? What dictates change without you lifting a finger? Politics. Furries are always on the hunt for ways to better themselves without putting in any effort, so riding the waves of social media trends is a favorable investment.

When politicians see furries, they think "oh, like people who bring their dog to the park on sundays" or "people who join in a sports club", not some all-consuming existence, and that's why they attempt these media stunts to get a few more voters. It's like going into a european football club and saying "it's called soccer, not football", and suddenly they're razing your house and raping your daughter, instead of "fuk off m8".

 

[CIA Nigger]

But with things like the zoosadism leaks, Rainfurrest 2015, the whole drama over Nazi Furries and Antifa Furries a while back, and well, pretty much everything else in the fandom, I wonder if the subculture as a whole is finally starting to realize that they need to clean up their act and try to improve their ruined reputation?

Now, I know that the majority of furries are completely lacking in self-awareness and those few furries who are self-aware are the majority of the regular posters here in Animal Control, but surely as the greater furry community keep escalating in its quest to hit rock bottom, will there be a critical mass moment that changes the very dynamic of the fandom?

Will the fandom "die off"? Likely not, furry cons continue to go up in attendance and furry sites still thrive while in other aspects such as new art it struggles thanks to the Patreon and YCH model replacing the previous "commissions open" model, but due to the decentralized nature of the fandom it's easily possible for new artists to enter and make a name for themselves by drawing fanart and whatnot.

But will old members eventually leave? Definitely. The political furry drama did cause some oldfags to leave the fandom, and the zoosadism leaks did cause some artists to stop drawing feral porn to avoid backlash from some of the woker furries.

 

[That Damned Tiger]

As an outsider looking in, I'll be the first to admit that furry drama is more like a train wreck than any other type of lolcow drama. You don't want to stare but it's so god-awful that you can't look away.

Agreed. It's now too easy to find drama without turning my head sometimes. Thank you social media.

I had a whole wall of text in reply to several different quotes, but I don't think people want to read through all that. But I will say this. The furry fandom is basically at the bottom of the subculture hierarchy. Which is funny because there are furries who'll act like they're cock of the walk when they have noting outside of the fandom.

Will the fandom "die off"? Likely not, furry cons continue to go up in attendance and furry sites still thrive while in other aspects such as new art it struggles thanks to the Patreon and YCH model replacing the previous "commissions open" model, but due to the decentralized nature of the fandom it's easily possible for new artists to enter and make a name for themselves by drawing fanart and whatnot.

But will old members eventually leave? Definitely. The political furry drama did cause some oldfags to leave the fandom, and the zoosadism leaks did cause some artists to stop drawing feral porn to avoid backlash from some of the woker furries.

You've given me quite a bit to think about.

 

[TheWatchfulFurfag]

Will the fandom "die off"? Likely not, furry cons continue to go up in attendance and furry sites still thrive while in other aspects such as new art it struggles thanks to the Patreon and YCH model replacing the previous "commissions open" model, but due to the decentralized nature of the fandom it's easily possible for new artists to enter and make a name for themselves by drawing fanart and whatnot.

But will old members eventually leave? Definitely. The political furry drama did cause some oldfags to leave the fandom, and the zoosadism leaks did cause some artists to stop drawing feral porn to avoid backlash from some of the woker furries.

Fanart is the favourite way for artists to gain clout and attention. I'm friends with a few and they know it, But of course, any fans gained by fanart will expect more fanart. I'm told a few prominent artists don't give a damn about some of the things they make fanart of, but do it for the metrics. Kenket and Co's undertale fanart explosion being but an example.

 

[sKr0n]

Anyone else noticing the recent trend of furry hashtags trending? I don't want to tip my tinfoil hat but are there groups out there trying to damage control by normalizing this since the Kerro leaks? I notice that there has been a push for furry shit recently.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/FursuitFriday?src=tren

and of course they can't help to flaunt their degeneracy in everyone's face.

Leaky Puppy on Twitter: "Me and my diapers have sompthing in common w…

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What did he mean by this?

Frizky Husky/Aries on Twitter: "Hehe soon only you will have paws ^_^…

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Also of course this guy is a Rick and Morty fan.

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Also thought you all would like to look at this retard roll around on the floor

fuzzyBoio🐾 on Twitter: "What happens when I tell @LittleRedAB it's t…

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[CIA Nigger]

H3H3 is in the furry drama spotlight again. Ethan and Hila bought cheap ass Chinese fursuit knock offs for a gag for their podcast:

Ethan Klein on Twitter: "Let's get it on the h3 podcast my dudes ride…

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The suit makers and wearers had an interesting reaction to a YouTube celeb buying cheap shitty fursuits for a gag.

🌹Carly🌹 on Twitter: "Hey Ethan. I'm a fan and that costume you boug…

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Lucky Coyote (FE GoH) on Twitter: "Oh a dhgate version of my fursuit.…

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[TheWatchfulFurfag]

A furry named Hale/Snek has an interesting theory about the suits. What if IMVU are selling off designs to chinese fursuit makers? Since IMVU owns anything uploaded to FA, it's VERY possible.

https://twitter.com/SnekFluffy/status/1101609792877948930

 

[Reynard]

H3H3 is in the furry drama spotlight again. Ethan and Hila bought cheap ass Chinese fursuit knock offs for a gag for their podcast:
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I love how people act like they're supposed to know what the fuck goes on in a fandom they're not a part of. They did an oopsie because they know nothing about the chinese knock-offs. Cut them some fucking slack. For fucks sake... At least one of them was nice enough to understand, and they were the one that made the goddamn original, but the way everyone else responds to it has my blood boiling.

 

[Lazybird8654]

Someone in here mentioned that SoCal furs is quite the drama town. I've talked with a few SoCal furs myself and yeah, it sounds like drama town.

So here's the latest drama that seems to be low key going on.

https://twitter.com/twerkupineking/status/1100874703734956033

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http://archive.li/YWgVV

Seems like this Skaard fellow, formerly Valyrym, is having a bit of a slapfight with furs from the OC Fur Meet, and their status of being banned. Bonus time: the ban happened initally because Val wouldn't shut the fuck up about asking for rides to the meet, and when an admin told him to knock that shit off, he did the only sensible thing he could do and proceeded to act like a sped.

And boy oh boy, it doesn't stop there.

Val/Skaard is also the admin, along with his current mate, Renn, of the Rose Bowl Fur Meet (RBFM). They recently made a big deal over having a "restructured staff" (They gave long time volunteer Growly the boot) recently. Skaard and Renn were also part of the original team working on Golden State Fur Con before Treble and friends took over.

The fun don't stop in SoCal.

There is actually a Google drive folder with screenshots for this also:

OC Fur Meet - Screenshots of Skaard and Renn's behavior - Google Drive

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[CIA Nigger]

A furry named Hale/Snek has an interesting theory about the suits. What if IMVU are selling off designs to chinese fursuit makers? Since IMVU owns anything uploaded to FA, it's VERY possible.

https://twitter.com/SnekFluffy/status/1101609792877948930

Most likely there are people in China who see photos and videos of fursuits on YouTube and they think "What if we could copy this design and make money from it?" Chinese bootleggers have never given 2 fucks about the copyright status of characters from movies and TV shows, much less the characters of some random furry on the internet. All they care about is "can we make money from this?", and they sure are making money from people who don't know any better or normies who want "mascot costumes" that look higher quality than some carpet.

Of course this wouldn't be a problem if they didn't wholesale copy some furry's sparkledog and instead went with a more "generic" animal costume, but that's not how bootleggers operate. If anything, that just shows how popular the fursuiting aspect of the fandom has become in the public eye.

I love how people act like they're supposed to know what the fuck goes on in a fandom they're not a part of. They did an oopsie because they know nothing about the chinese knock-offs. Cut them some fucking slack. For fucks sake... At least one of them was nice enough to understand, and they were the one that made the goddamn original, but the way everyone else responds to it has my blood boiling.

Ethan did shit on the quality of it, saying it smells like chemicals. He didn't know about the character aspect but maybe he might have if furries didn't chimp out at their own kind being on his podcast.

 

[Connectingdotsanddogs]

Crossposting here because more traction and exposure in case others can help

User @riverdogge joins and involves self in another zoosadist thread

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Riverdogge as in Jason Blake / Riverdogge? Husband of known proud zoophile Dhary of Eurofurence?

https://twitter.com/riverdogge
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Cleaning up myself a bit? His English has got bad over time being his first language.

https://twitter.com/Dhary_Montecore
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[Lazybird8654]

Cristali thread when?:

So Cristali. (read description) - YouTube

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Exposing ValdroxxStudios, AKA, Cristali & Zafiro Toon, AKA Shantaly S…

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Cristali Screenshots (CREAM THE KITTEN)

And that’s the end :(

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Copy: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X_V0szTUXFsuOJi_cfNxYkQ-zbqrSvKNAMPIWz8_TmU/edit?usp=sharing

Cristali is Over - YouTube

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For context Cristali a 19-20 year old man got into contact with three children two being 14 and another being an unknown age and asked for sexually explicit images, two did not send images but, one of the 14 year olds did.

Edit: Funky Kong and Cream the kitten are the same person so it was actually only two victims (One who sent nudes, one who did not.)

 

[CIA Nigger]

According to salty furries, Ethan "41% Isn't Enough" Klein was trying to slander some random furries deliberately instead of wasting money on a gag that didn't pan out because of the reeeing.

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[Connectingdotsanddogs]

According to salty furries, Ethan "41% Isn't Enough" Klein was trying to slander some random furries deliberately instead of wasting money on a gag that didn't pan out because of the reeeing.
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China are pretty quick actually. I can order a 13, 35b, 67, 68, 113d and 143 and it all be here in 30 mins

They always forget the spring rolls though

 

[Reynard]

According to salty furries, Ethan "41% Isn't Enough" Klein was trying to slander some random furries deliberately instead of wasting money on a gag that didn't pan out because of the reeeing.
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More furries wailing about victimhood. This isn't the 2000s where SA goons would raid your IRC shit, this is some dude clueless about the fandom fucking around with something he's obviously clueless about. They should be mad at the people who tricked them and bootlegged the suits, not the two Jews that got scammed by buying them.

 

[Connectingdotsanddogs]

Fatty and bratty

 

[Lazybird8654]

Fatty and bratty

To be honest, that photo is just funny that's it.