Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[AnOminous]

After the initial accusations, Vic went radio silent, admitted to nothing, and backed off while the opposition shit themselves. When the inevitable phase of faked shit to shore up the objective happened, Vic never admitting to anything in the first place made them look unbelievably desperate and suspect.

They had really bad timing for this bullshit, right when the entire media is being raked over the coals and sued over the Covington Catholic debacle and it's just not looking good for opportunistic me-too-ing when the sacrificial lambs have started fighting back.

There's no point appeasing these bloodthirsty shitheads because they don't want apologies, they want blood, and giving in to them just means you're making it easy for them to finish you off.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Shit, I really hope this doesn't bite Vic in the ass. He's been dragged enough as it is.

Vic just needs to keep quiet and let God Emperor Ty and his Adepta Sororitas do the talking. Anyone else that jumps in is just a random sperg sperging.

 

[Kazuma Kuwabara]

Hey guys, I've been following the thread for awhile, so I figured I'd pop in and give my two cents on this whole thing.

I really think this'll be the thing that does in Funimation, albeit indirectly. Obviously, getting sued isn't a very healthy for any company but it's ultimately losing fish. What is really concerning (for Funimation) is they may lose their fishing rod. Regarding license acquirement, Funimation has been struggling for awhile now. Most of the big money makers series seem to be going to LA (Hunter x Hunter, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, One Punch Man, etc.), while Funimation only has access to B-Series and whatever scraps are leftover. Even when they get a large license, it sometimes just can't catch on in the west (namely One Piece). However, they currently have two big money-makers on their hands: Dragon Ball and My Hero Academia. My Hero does make money, but it's pretty clear that well will dry up after the manga and anime end. Dragon Ball however is an evergreen series that will always make very good money.

Of course, keeping Dragon Ball is fully dependant on keeping friends with Toei so they renew the license. It's unlikely that Gen Fukunaga's uncle is still a large head at Toei, so it really seems like they may want to get Funimation out of the picture. Toonami Asia ended up getting a separate English dub from Bang Zoom! in LA, so it's pretty evident that Toei wouldn't necessarily mind giving the license to another company. However, the thing that seems to keep Funimation in the game is their cast. For many, Schemmel is Goku, Sabat is Vegeta, Hebert is Gohan, and so on and so forward. Toei is aware that replacing these actors would inevitably cause major controversy, so that creates some real leverage. However, this lawsuit could really be the excuse Toei needed to justify letting go some of the cast. From a PR perspective, losing a defamation lawsuit against a fellow cast member would be a reasonable excuse to force Funimation to scrap Schemmel or Sabat. Losing these actors could potentially be the final nail in the coffin to Funimation's ability to protect Dragon Ball.

Without Dragon Ball, there's basically no way that Funimation could remain in business for a long term. Licenses aren't cheap and neither is hiring a full staff to dub and distribute said licenses. Likewise, Funimation's Glassdoor reviews doesn't paint the picture of a management staff that can properly adjust the company to Dragon Ball's loss. Regarding Dragon Ball's potentially Funimationless future, odds are a LA based company will pick up the license at a much lower operating cost. Assuming they don't take a scorched earth approach to casting, there's a decent chance that a handful Funimation actors would reprise their role in the new dub (probably those based in LA, like Kyle Hebert). This could be good for Vic, as it's basically the only way that he gets his Broly role back unless he gets it back as part of an out-of-court settlement with Funimation. Things will especially look up for him if Bang Zoom! gets the rights back, as they seem to have no issue with him keeping his role as Rohan in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

TL;DR: This lawsuit may give Toei the excuse to take back the Dragon Ball license, which may end up causing Funimation to implode on itself.

 

[Mike_Hunt_WY]

tl;dr; Is there anything actually tangible or criminal about the dude?

I posted this earlier, but...

More Reasons to Hate Anime Matsuri and Shop in Wonderland Part 1

More reasons to boycott Anime Matsuri and Shop in Wonderland. AM and SiW are owned and operated by fraudulent John and Deneice Leigh who are liars, thieves, scammers, manipulators, and harassers.

buttcape.blogspot.com

Just skip to the section titled "Debt, Debt Everywhere". That one's fully sourced with the court records. (There's one before it that covers guest mistreatment, including an incident where they pissed off the musical guest so much they wrote a song dissing them, but it mainly relies on testimonials from said guests.)

 

[YarrBlueballs]

Shit, I really hope this doesn't bite Vic in the ass. He's been dragged enough as it is.

It won't, or rather shouldn't, be an issue to normal people. Speaking in support of someone doesn't mean you give support in return.
Plus, freedom of association and all that.

 

[Captain Manning]

tl;dr; Is there anything actually tangible or criminal about the dude?

The dude, and many of his businesses, are a fucking mess in terms of civil litigation. Like he has a really difficult time understanding that you have to pay for goods and services rendered. There's a really good summary here:

More Reasons to Hate Anime Matsuri and Shop in Wonderland Part 1

More reasons to boycott Anime Matsuri and Shop in Wonderland. AM and SiW are owned and operated by fraudulent John and Deneice Leigh who are liars, thieves, scammers, manipulators, and harassers.

buttcape.blogspot.com

While there's no conclusive evidence he's done anything illegal in a sexual sense, do you really want a guy like that, that says things like that, and that girls think is a creeper, associated with Vic? Vic's female fans have stuck by him, by and large. Vic has not made sexually charged comments like Leigh has. If Vic's situation were being handled by a PR firm, they'd probably advise him to steer clear.

But hopefully I'm wrong. Hopefully I don't end up saying "I told you so."

 

[SiccDicc]

They had really bad timing for this bullshit, right when the entire media is being raked over the coals and sued over the Covington Catholic debacle and it's just not looking good for opportunistic me-too-ing when the sacrificial lambs have started fighting back.

There's no point appeasing these bloodthirsty shitheads because they don't want apologies, they want blood, and giving in to them just means you're making it easy for them to finish you off.

Not just that, Jussie Smollett is facing criminal charges over his bullshit.

 

[Bullshit Fucked]

Vic is actually a pretty good singer. I always enjoyed the stuff he has written for FMA.

Brothers (English Version) - Vic Mignogna

only one of the best songs ever!! he has such an amazing voice. HOLY CRAP THE QUALITY OF THIS VIDEO IS ACTUALLY GOOD!!!! XD im sorry i had to say it...its tr...

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Honestly, I think his range of multi-talent is also another reason why most of the Texas clique dislikes him. Dude has a decent singing voice, can play the piano, write and compose his own songs, direct award-winning fan projects (Star Trek Continues). The list goes on. Meanwhile, the clique are relegated to pretty much going from anime voice role to role because it's all they are capable of doing. Compare any of them to the likes of someone like Scott McNeil who does both anime and western animation, the latter of which pays much better than anime ever does.

Just imagine Sabat trying to sing for something unironically in a dub. Oh wait...

Ginga Ensen - School Rumble Ending (English) with Lyrics

Ending song Ginga Ensen Please Enjoy :3 Lyrics: So many times I've wondered where you might be heading down towards this railway track called life And if May...

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[DuckSucker]

anime was a mistake

 

[Uranus Pink]

One detail haven't been brought up yet is anime conventions especially after 9/11 tend to have a large police presence on site. So the "not going to the police cause there's none nearby" excuse wears very thin when usually one or more for every 100 to 200 yards of floor space.

Anime is not a mistake, anime dubbing is a mistake.

 

[Zilortha]

The dude, and many of his businesses, are a fucking mess in terms of civil litigation. Like he has a really difficult time understanding that you have to pay for goods and services rendered. There's a really good summary here:

More Reasons to Hate Anime Matsuri and Shop in Wonderland Part 1

More reasons to boycott Anime Matsuri and Shop in Wonderland. AM and SiW are owned and operated by fraudulent John and Deneice Leigh who are liars, thieves, scammers, manipulators, and harassers.

buttcape.blogspot.com

While there's no conclusive evidence he's done anything illegal in a sexual sense, do you really want a guy like that, that says things like that, and that girls think is a creeper, associated with Vic? Vic's female fans have stuck by him, by and large. Vic has not made sexually charged comments like Leigh has. If Vic's situation were being handled by a PR firm, they'd probably advise him to steer clear.

But hopefully I'm wrong. Hopefully I don't end up saying "I told you so."

They aren't exactly friends afaik, so even trying to associate them in that manner is kind of a stretch. I imagine that Vic would attend any convention that would have him. It just so happens that AM is one of the few willing to give him a chance. Personally, I think that's worth supporting. But even if there are problems, I can't blame Vic for that.

One detail haven't been brought up yet is anime conventions especially after 9/11 tend to have a large police presence on site. So the "not going to the police cause there's none nearby" excuse wears very thin when usually one or more for every 100 to 200 yards of floor space.

Anime is not a mistake, anime dubbing is a mistake.

Anime dubbing isn't a mistake. Social Justice was a mistake.

 

[Creep3r]

Within the first few posts, no less.

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It really does feel like a softcore 1984 at times... How are so many quick to buy into this bullshit and why do said idiots always seem to have influence over moderation?

 

[Captain Manning]

They aren't exactly friends afaik, so even trying to associate them in that manner is kind of a stretch.

Again, I'm hoping my concern is overblown. Plus, I certainly agree the litigation shit is on a different track.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Right now we are living in a love child of 1984, Brave New World and Idiocracy thrown in for flavor. Now the powers that be have gone impatient and Puritanical to where people and some of the normies have woken up noticing something is not right.

 

[Tard]

I think it's easy to write off anything the anime matsuri sperg is doing
If kickvic is THAT desperate that they will do this whole "Vic's guilty because this one guy who supports him is a creep out of the hundreds of thousands" then they really don't have legs to stand on against Vic and they are just wasting time focusing on a unrelated target

 

[Uranus Pink]

If going by the KickVics over at Spacebattles and elsewhere, all they need is one person to discredit everyone else.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Hey guys, I've been following the thread for awhile, so I figured I'd pop in and give my two cents on this whole thing.

I really think this'll be the thing that does in Funimation, albeit indirectly...

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TL;DR: This lawsuit may give Toei the excuse to take back the Dragon Ball license, which may end up causing Funimation to implode on itself.

You username and avatar got me to think about something and maybe you (and others) might know what I'm talking about (or try to). I've been told and have seen a few other quotes around that Yu Yu Hakusho's dub script is quite terrible because of Justin Cook's influence and was definitely done around the time Funimation was doing some shit that was reminiscent of what 4KIDS and Saban did in their heyday. I mean, they did the same thing to Dragon Ball Z 's original dub script as well at about the same time that they didn't properly dub/translate until years later. So there's already proof that long before the SJW takeover that Funimation has done some questionable localization even if that was basically the norm for anime distributors to do at the time.

So if Funimation indeed goes the way of 4KIDS, this was a bad seed that had been planted since the very beginning of Funimation's existence, yes? It was just a matter of time before their bad decisions came back to bite them in the ass?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

You username and avatar got me to think about something and maybe you (and others) might know what I'm talking about (or try to). I've been told and have seen a few other quotes around that Yu Yu Hakusho's dub script is quite terrible because of Justin Cook's influence and was definitely done around the time Funimation was doing some shit that was reminiscent of what 4KIDS and Saban did in their heyday. I mean, Dragon Ball Z did things to its original script as well at about the same time that they didn't properly dub/translate until years later. So there's already proof that long before the SJW takeover that Funimation has done some questionable localization even if that was basically the norm for anime distributors to do at the time.

So if Funimation indeed goes the way of 4KIDS, this was a bad seed that had been planted since the very beginning of Funimation's existence, yes? It was just a matter of time before their bad decisions came back to bite them in the ass?

I will laugh if Funimation goes the way of 4Kids because it's possible that Funi will become a laughing stock and people will make joke dubs of newer anime as though Funimation would've done them.

 

[Marco Fucko]

TL;DR: This lawsuit may give Toei the excuse to take back the Dragon Ball license, which may end up causing Funimation to implode on itself.

Both Marchi and Rial are in the DB cast PLUS Rial does writing for Funi under pseudonyms, I agree that I would be looking elsewhere if VIc's lawsuit succeeds (which it will). Hell, Nick said Sony may or may not dissolve Funi and work the important parts into Aniplex, since they're a new acquisition and already potentially costing them money.

 

[Mike_Hunt_WY]

They aren't exactly friends afaik, so even trying to associate them in that manner is kind of a stretch. I imagine that Vic would attend any convention that would have him. It just so happens that AM is one of the few willing to give him a chance. Personally, I think that's worth supporting. But even if there are problems, I can't blame Vic for that.

I wouldn't say it's about blaming Vic. Here's the problem: J&D have a history of opportunistically defrauding people & business partners. There's a reason that parable about the scorpion & the fox exists. And here's an opportunity for them to aggressively market their misfortunes as being akin to Vic's in an environment where most won't be in a position to know or quickly find out about their other problems (most of which seemed to either primarily gain traction in a niche subculture or primarily be limited to Houston). The fact that the Boycott Anime Matsuri account is apparently being managed by a half-witted rabid harpy doesn't help the situation, either. I think Vic's got a hard enough road ahead without letting this viper into the nest.