Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Captain Manning]

SJWs would be at war with themselves almost immediately after they take over.

They already are in some sectors. The transgenders and the CIS feminists have a VERY uneasy "peace."

And, of course, most of the #metoo targets have actually been leftist men.

There's a breaking point. As much they try to control the narrative, people REALLY hate being told what they're allowed to say and being called asshole about it

Love him or hate him, Trump was elected for a reason. And that reason wasn't "Nazis."

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Edit: He was referring to Marchi and Rial, specifically.

Color me surprised.

 

[Curious Addie]

PULL has found out apparently a con has decided to keep Vic despite the pressure on them, and he will have an escort.

Well they have a point, the more you don't rape anyone only further proves that you are a rapist who is avoiding detection. This sound legal principle was upheld in the landmark ruling of Peasants v. Witch back in 1356.

 

[Medicated]

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So Vic sexually harassed them firsthand? Like usually he would hire sexual harassers to do it for him? That's why he got away with it so long?

 

[RodgerDodger]

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Congratulation dickwad, you’ve just put yourself on a discovery list where you will be forced under penalty of perjury to out your friend to the same. If I were you I would start hoping her “harrassment” involved a lack of pants, and not simply “boundary issues”. Oh and I sure as shit hope neither of you were part of that Broken Stair conspiracy. Becausethat’s Gonna leave a mark.

 

[quickthrowaway]

I am going to be issuing a public service reminder. Archive everything, we have a reputation to uphold. Do not let these people destroy their receipts.

 

[Captain Manning]

Nick has said time and again that he is not Vic's lawyer and that his videos on what they could do was mere speculation on his part. On his stream, however, he said something that sounded like he had insider information.



Nick shouldn't know, specifically, what the legal action will be or when it will occur, so how can he be forbidden from talking about it?

Last night is why I think Nick actually has some insider info. The timeline he gave on the preservation of evidence letter, and the papers dropping, was much too specific. He wasn't speaking about legal procedure in a general sense (you do x at some point, followed by y). He was giving info as to when things will play out in this specific case. Citing days and weeks.

Now, I know people are gonna read this and say: "Manning, you dummy, he's not supposed to have privileged info from Ty."

And that's true. But I think there's ways to skirt around that. Such as Vic talking to Nick, or Vic authorizing Ty to give Nick a little bit of info that (if it got out) wouldn't prejudice the case. I don't think there's a rule against either of those. There's just a rule against lawyers vomiting up privileged info without the client's permission. Haberkorn authorized Ty to say that BHBH is representing him, and that is before one paper has even been filed.

Nor do I think Nick knows everything. I just think he's be appraised of SOME things at this point.

 

[Le Pew]

Pull and Resetera are definitely starting to slow down and seem to be suffering from outrage fatigue. In the past these incidents would have a neatly defined "outrage arc"; the pile on begins, the shame is applied and everybody washes their hands of it - walking away with mutual asspats over a job well done, another bigot ruined and justice applied. I think it's finally starting to sink in that this storyline isn't turning out that way.

The post below from Reeeeland really sums it up nicely.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ac...nimation-cut-ties.94896/page-55#post-18588943

"I know right? I just want this all over with already. As I've said before, it's DigiHom with Jim Sterling all over again, but worse because it isn't just someone getting pissy about bad reviews, it's someone getting pissy they got rightfully called out on being a creep. And just like then, it'll end with nothing but wasted money and time for his accusers and Vic being left with nothing except to do evangelical audiobooks/webtoons and random anti-SJW-made games.

Using the legal system to "try to salvage his career" rather than actually trying to change himself will just make him unhireable. And we've all already said many times how no matter who he's targeting, he accomplishes nothing for HIMSELF.

There is nothing he can do to save himself. At best (for him) he ruins the career of his accusers in turn... but what does that accomplish for HIM, if he's as good a guy as he claims? That just puts him down in the history books as vindictive. But we all know he has no proof "beyond the shadow of a doubt" that any of his big name accusers are lying.

Also sorry if I'm posting too much, I'm feeling really anxious about this today for some reason, lol....'"

 

[Dishwater]

Hey, new here, tried to read as much as I could to catch up on things.

Haven't seen this link posted anywhere (although I haven't read al 224 pages yet - just about 180+) but thought I would add it just in case no one has:

https://forums.sufficientvelocity.c...res-of-todd-haberkorn-and-vic-mignogna.53052/

Just want to say it's nice to find some level-headed people still exist.

 

[AStupidMonkey]

Here's the study in question, the 80% statistic is on page 12:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a70a7c3010027736a22740f/t/5bbcea6b7817f7bf7342b718/1539107467397/hidden_tribes_report-2.pdf

Washington Journal: Daniel Yudkin Discusses Political Polarization and Tribalism in the U.S.

Daniel Yudkin of the group More in Common discusses their recent study of political polarization in the U.S.

www.c-span.org

8000 Americans. "what is a person" "what is america" "what are the ramifications of gun control" "who is concerned with issues of social justice in America today"?

I immediately have no confidence in this study. Tell me if you disagree, watching this video.

EDIT: 9:20 "80% say political correctness is a problem, and 82% say the same about hate-speech." I hate to be "that guy" but: THAT SOUNDS LIKE EXACTLY WHAT I FUCKING SAID EARLIER. lol

EDIT 2: For the cheap seats:

Saying "political correctness" is an issue doesn't tell us one iota what said respondents think about "political correctness." Socialists and Libertarians would both agree that "taxes are an issue."

EDIT 3: The c-span site has some useful text-transalation for their video. This is good for copypasta:

IT IS ALL ABOUT DEVELOPING A NEW LANGUAGE AND NARRATIVE FOR AMERICA. WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND THIS IS WHAT DAVID BROOKS POINTED OUT, WE HAVE A NARRATIVE THAT IS FOCUSED ON SOCIAL JUSTICE AND FOCUSED ON OWEPPRESSED PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT ENJOYING THE SAME BENEFITS AND DIGNITY THAT OTHER AMERICANS ARE. THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. THESE CONTINUE TO BE IMPORTANT ISSUES. ON THE OTHER HAND, WHEN YOU HAVE A CONSERVE ACTIVE THAT -- CONSERVATIVE THAT HAVE GENUINE CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER IT WITH MEAN TO HAVE THINGS LIKE OPEN BORDERS OR ALL GUN RIGHTS TO BE TAKEN AWAY NOT THAT DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING THAT BUT THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY FOCUSED ON THE IDEA THAT OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND FOCUSED ON THE IDEA -- I WILL GIVE YOU AN IDEA. CONSERVATIVES WHEN YOU ASK THEM ABOUT PARENTING IS IT MORE IMPORTANT FOR A CHILD TO BE OBEDIENT VERSUS CREATIVE CONSERVE ACTIVES ARE MORE -- CONSERVATIVES ARE MORE LIKELY TO THINK THERE SHOULD BE OWEBEDIENT AND RESPECTFUL OF ELDERS AND GOOD MANNERS. THESE ARE IMPORTANT VALUES AND LIBERAL LIBERALS HEAR WHETHER CONSERVE ACTIVES ARE -- HEAR WHAT KOBE ACTIVES ARE SAYING AND CHALKING IT UP TO I THINK IN ACCORDANCE OR -- I THINK IN ACCORDANCE OR AUTHORITARIAN VIEWS OR MAINTAIN WHITE POWER AND CONTINUE TO SOCIAL AND STRUCTURAL INJUSTICE. THIS MAY SOMETIMES BE THE CASE, BUT THE POINT HERE IS THAT WHEN SOMEBODY MENTIONS THE IDEA OF A CHILD BEING OBEDIENT OR A PERSON BEING RESPONSIBLE AND HAVING CONTROL IN SOME SENSE OF THEIR OUTCOMES THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THEY ARE A TERRIBLE PERSON. SO, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, A LEADER WHO IS CAPABLE OF JOINING THESE TWO NARRATIVES AND SAYING AS AMERICANS IT IS IN EVERYONE'S INTEREST TO ENSURE EVERYONE HAS EQUAL DIGNITY IN AMERICA. THIS DOES NOT MATTER WHAT SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM YOU ARE ON. AT THE SAME TIME YOU CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE THEIR OWN WAY AND TO HAVE A SENSE OF CONTROL IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT. SOMEONE THAT MAKES BOTH PEOPLE SEE THAT THE ISSUES OF BOTH SIDES ARE ISSUES IF WE CAN GET RID OF THIS CARICATURE WE HAVE OF EACH SIDE AND JOIN THEM AND SAY THESE ARE ISSUES EVERYONE CAN CARE IN IS THE NARRATIVE THAT SOMEONE CAN UNITE THE, HAWED MAJORITY AND MOVE -- THE, HAWED MAJORITY. -- EXHAUSTED MAJORITY.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?45356...iscusses-political-polarization-tribalism-us#
1. the text is probably machine-translated, 2. he says some good and fine things, but 3: IS THIS NOT THE SAME SHIT SJW'S SAY!? And this is the survey you go with for "who thinks political correctness is an issue," whatever THAT means.

 

[The Incel Whisperer]

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Don't you just hate it whenever the person you follow are on the KickVic side let alone a Vic story

With how sexual harassment has its meaning changed for this case im skeptical.

 

[KingofNothing]

There is nothing he can do to save himself. At best (for him) he ruins the career of his accusers in turn... but what does that accomplish for HIM, if he's as good a guy as he claims? That just puts him down in the history books as vindictive. But we all know he has no proof "beyond the shadow of a doubt" that any of his big name accusers are lying.

He's vindictive for slamming people calling him a rapist, a very severe and damaging accusation? How is that the conclusion they came to?

 

[Captain Manning]

ull and Resetera are definitely starting to slow down and seem to be suffering from outrage fatigue. In the past these incidents would have a neatly defined "outrage arc"; the pile on begins, the shame is applied and everybody washes their hands of it - walking away with mutual asspats over a job well done, another bigot ruined and justice applied. I think it's finally starting to sink in that this storyline isn't turning out that way.

I actually think Nick has the very best comment about these people. And it's one that doesn't resort to foul language or is overly vindictive.

"I'm sorry you're broken people."

He's vindictive for slamming people calling him a rapist, a very severe and damaging accusation? How is that the conclusion they came to?

Because he was supposed to lie down and die. He's not doing that. He's not following "the rules." They've never experienced this before.

 

[AZ 594]

"I know right? I just want this all over with already. As I've said before, it's DigiHom with Jim Sterling all over again, but worse because it isn't just someone getting pissy about bad reviews, it's someone getting pissy they got rightfully called out on being a creep. And just like then, it'll end with nothing but wasted money and time for his accusers and Vic being left with nothing except to do evangelical audiobooks/webtoons and random anti-SJW-made games.

Using the legal system to "try to salvage his career" rather than actually trying to change himself will just make him unhireable. And we've all already said many times how no matter who he's targeting, he accomplishes nothing for HIMSELF.

There is nothing he can do to save himself. At best (for him) he ruins the career of his accusers in turn... but what does that accomplish for HIM, if he's as good a guy as he claims? That just puts him down in the history books as vindictive. But we all know he has no proof "beyond the shadow of a doubt" that any of his big name accusers are lying.

Also sorry if I'm posting too much, I'm feeling really anxious about this today for some reason, lol....'"

Why be anxious if Vic is only going to make himself more unhireable by taking action against them? He has no case clearly, as you said "we all know he has no proof "beyond the shadow of a doubt" that any of his big name accusers are lying." Speaking of which, why do you want this to be over with already, don't you want his accusers to tell their stories in a court of law and vindicate how awful Vic is for the world to see?

 

[GnomeofDoc]

Because he was supposed to lie down and die. He's not doing that. He's not following "the rules." They've never experienced this before.

Which I find quite funny that no one has really stuck to their guns before. I mean if the target has done some reading on the #metoo dog piles they would know that lying down would be a death sentence. Try to fight you might just win.

 

[Bread Fetishist]

I swear, even if Vic turns out to be innocent, the idiots over on PULL would still see him as a rapist. They are just delusional.

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

Hey, new here, tried to read as much as I could to catch up on things.

Haven't seen this link posted anywhere (although I haven't read al 224 pages yet - just about 180+) but thought I would add it just in case no one has:

https://forums.sufficientvelocity.c...res-of-todd-haberkorn-and-vic-mignogna.53052/

Just want to say it's nice to find some level-headed people still exist.

I think we covered that forum already

 

[Sitaw]

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So Vic sexually harassed them firsthand? Like usually he would hire sexual harassers to do it for him? That's why he got away with it so long?

That was overkill. It seems like the poster wanted you to believe it really happened, but it just made the statement more questionable.

 

[Le Pew]

Nick's stream is live ya'll.

 

[INVCTS]

Nick's stream is live ya'll.

Link

 

[Whatevs]

There is nothing he can do to save himself. At best (for him) he ruins the career of his accusers in turn... but what does that accomplish for HIM, if he's as good a guy as he claims? That just puts him down in the history books as vindictive. But we all know he has no proof "beyond the shadow of a doubt" that any of his big name accusers are lying.

Ah yes, well the good old "even if you aren't guilty, nothing you can do now, don't fight it, it'll just make you look more guilty and vindictive" line of retard reasoning. That's shit my sibling used to do to me when we were kids! And these idiots think Vic has to prove shit, no his accusers have to prove it. When you make accusations against someone, you better back that up with actual proof instead of twisted memories of an event that may or may not have happened.

Malleable memory is a thing, and its very dangerous when you got a bunch of people that are using today's current SJW standards to crucify someone over past events. You get that going, the intoxication of a sudden influx of asspats for having the special status of a victim and this innocuous hug 10 years ago suddenly becomes a groping and rape in the bathroom.

Look at what they're doing posting pics and videos of people, construing it as uncomfortable or creepy behavior to frame what Vic does as bad. They're trying to get others to question their past experiences with Vic into this line of thinking that Vic is a bad person groping his way from con to con. Good thing the people in the pics and videos are coming out and saying they never felt that way during that moment, but that's what those people are trying to do. If they can frame someone else's experience into a bad one, maybe that similar experience you had with Vic was bad as well.

Just one of the many articles on it.

Case of the Malleable Memory

Are you recounting romantic situations accurately?

www.psychologytoday.com

Case of the Malleable Memory | Psychology Today

archived 9 Mar 2019 17:58:32 UTC

archive.li

Spoiler: Article Snippet

But we also know that memory is malleable. And while your memory can at times act as your closest confidant, helping you remember what you need for school and work, it can also Benedict Arnold you. It can convince you that you saw something that wasn’t actually present. It can reconstruct entire scenarios. It’s not that our memories are trying to attract us to the wrong person or make us sound daft when recounting romantic details. Rather, it’s that our memories and strong emotions are inextricably intertwined. One possible reason for our brains’ ability to distort the truth comes from the fact that how we appraise situations in the present often influences how we perceive what happened in the past. This is what psychologists call “mood-congruency”: our current mood determines memory retrieval of a past mood.