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[DocHoliday1977]

Lowtax is that you? The goons will be angry if they find out you're posting here again.

WHO?

Ok, Trump got some facts wrong about the border crisis in relation to numbers and statistics, but the man ain't wrong about the necessity of some kind of protective force nor the idea of one. Plus, with this Secure Fence Act thing, Trump never argued that the Wall was his idea, but he said building a longer Wall was the best idea. Bush went through with some kind of a small term idea, Trump wants to make it long term. So, no, we're not sore losers. We understand the argument you're trying to make it, but it just goes as far to show that this is a concealed form of "Orange Man Bad".


Also, fences are a form of wall, but they're a very weak form. The idea of a Wall is not the idea of Tramp, but the idea of building a large form concrete barrier is his idea, but it's also an idea tried by other countries before, that HAS worked.

Ok.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Ok.

So with that said, do you accept the idea of a way to protect the border itself is not the original idea of Trump, but the idea of a concrete wall is, inspired by the acts of other countries that have WORKED?

 

[AprilRains]

WHO?



Ok.

You seen to be under the impression that opposing a consensus gives you license to be disingenuous. It doesn't. You're just dumb. A compelling case against Trump's plan would be interesting, but you're not providing one.

 

[Whatevs]

Aw come on, it's an online forum and i just proved Trump's lying on the Border "crisis". Don't be a sore loser!

Why are you for drug cartels and coyotes trafficking kids, humans and drug mules risking their lives across miles of dangerous deserts through the day and night? Why are you for the identity theft of US citizens by illegals buying fraudulent papers from criminal networks, ruining credit scores, and just inadvertently ruining someone else's life in the process? Why are you for people being paid a dishonest wage by dishonest employers, because they came over illegally and know that if they complain, they'll be fired or turned in to authorities to be sent back across the border?

I mean, sounds like a crisis to me, why are you for this and all the ripple effects that happen from unchecked people coming across a border? Are you a terrible person that doesn't care about your fellow humans?

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

WHO?

Lol, exactly what he'd say.

 

[Vorhtbame]

Why are you for drug cartels and coyotes trafficking kids, humans and drug mules risking their lives across miles of dangerous deserts through the day and night?

I think he's just hoping that the combination of this and Kamala Harris' sudden urge to legalize prostitution will help him finally lose his virginity.

 

[DocHoliday1977]

Why are you for drug cartels and coyotes trafficking kids, humans and drug mules risking their lives across miles of dangerous deserts through the day and night? Why are you for the identity theft of US citizens by illegals buying fraudulent papers from criminal networks, ruining credit scores, and just inadvertently ruining someone else's life in the process? Why are you for people being paid a dishonest wage by dishonest employers, because they came over illegally and know that if they complain, they'll be fired or turned in to authorities to be sent back across the border?

I mean, sounds like a crisis to me, why are you for this and all the ripple effects that happen from unchecked people coming across a border? Are you a terrible person that doesn't care about your fellow humans?

Absolutely not..

ON A TYPICAL DAY, CBP:
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Processed:
»
1,133,914 passengers and pedestrians
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358,448 incoming international air passengers and crew
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78,912 passengers and crew on arriving ship/boat
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696,555 incoming land travelers
»
285,925 incoming privately owned vehicles
»
81,438 truck, rail, and sea containers
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$7.7 billion worth of imported goods
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Conducted 1,107 apprehensions between U.S. ports of entry
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Arrested 75 wanted criminals at U.S. ports of entry
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Encountered 764 inadmissible persons at U.S. ports of entry
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Intercepted 16 fraudulent documents
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Discovered 319 pests at U.S. ports of entry and 4,370 materials
for quarantine - plant, meat, animal byproduct, and soil
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Seized:
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4,657 pounds of narcotics; disrupted 171 pounds of narcotics
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$290,411 undeclared or illicit currency
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$3.7 million worth of products with Intellectual Property
Rights violations
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Collected approximately $120.5 million in duties, taxes, and
other fees, including more than $94.8 million in duties
•
Facilitated the release of 90,959 entries of merchandise at air,
land, and sea ports of entry
•
Employed 60,014 men and women including law enforcement
and trade personnel:
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23,477 CBP officers
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2,430 CBP agriculture specialists
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19,555 Border Patrol agents
»
592 air interdiction agents (pilots)
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343 marine interdiction agents
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265 aviation enforcement agents
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937 trade personnel
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Deployed 1,421 canine teams and 364 horse patrols
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Flew 171 enforcement hours at and beyond the border, and
within the nation’s interior
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Underway 74 float hours of enforcement missions in the U.S.
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Conducted operations in:
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52 countries with more than 866 CBP employees working
internationally
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328 ports of entry within 20 field offices
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135 Border Patrol stations and 5 substations within
20 sectors including 35 immigration checkpoints
»
74 Air and Marine Operations locations, including branches
and units, National Air Security Operations Centers, and the
Air and Marine Operations Center

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2019-Mar/CBP-Snapshot-03072019.pdf

The United States isn't immune to incidents of sex trafficking. In fact, the Urban Institute examined what they called "the underground sex economy," which includes sex trafficking, of eight U.S. cities in 2014.
It estimated that those economies ranged from $39.9 million in Denver, Colorado, to $290 million in Atlanta, Georgia.

13 Sex Trafficking Statistics That Put The Worldwide Problem Into Perspective

Millions of women, men, and children around the world become victims of human trafficking each year, according to the United Nations. In an attempt to not only raise awareness about the issue of human trafficking but end the practice, the United…

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Atlanta, GA and Denver, CO ARE NOT ON THE BORDER.

And that's not to say how Trump is connected to sex traffickers like Jeffrey Epstein and the Asian massage parlor lady.

 

[GS 281]

@DeathAngel77 is our good friend Pamela Swain. I will allow her to post in this thread for now as long as she does not one-word post.

 

[DocHoliday1977]

You seen to be under the impression that opposing a consensus gives you license to be disingenuous. It doesn't. You're just dumb. A compelling case against Trump's plan would be interesting, but you're not providing one.

Well, I do my best. But if it's too complicated Such is life.

@DeathAngel77 is our good friend Pamela Swain. I will allow her to post in this thread for now as long as she does not one-word post.

Thanks Brad.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Wait, did someone seriously link CNN and Huffington Post here as something we’re suppose to take seriously? They guys who threatened to dox a gif maker and the people who create stories of how “lol trump got totally owned!” To the point that they had to fire a chunk of their staff from lack of making any money?

 

[Weppers]

Wrap it up, everybody.

 

[Whatevs]

Atlanta, GA and Denver, CO ARE NOT ON THE BORDER.

No, but international airports and seaports are borders. Everyone has to be checked coming in. Both problems can be solved at the same time. When you say "what about this other problem, ignore that problem" it comes off to me as you being for all those things I listed.

If both problems can't be worked on, then it seems to me that you are for kids being dragged across a desert and all those other horrible ripple effects that happen. Wouldn't a nice big fence just filter people to places they come through checked and dissuade all that other stuff going on? Like an airport or seaport does, a port of entry starts a paper trail of a person, it turns them into an actual person that can be tracked and kept tabs on.

It seems to me that you are a terrible person that is for all those things I listed and more. Why are you encouraging undocumented squalor, being paid ridiculous low wages, living under the fear of being sent back across the border?

For shame, for shame...

 

[DocHoliday1977]

Wait, did someone seriously link CNN and Huffington Post here as something we’re suppose to take seriously? They guys who threatened to fix a gif maker and the people who create stories of how “lol trump got totally owned!” To the point that they had to fire a chunk of their staff from lack of making any money?

I posted border patrol stats from the government site and UN sex trafficking stats. Sorry.

Why are you encouraging undocumented squalor, being paid ridiculous low wages, living under the fear of being sent back across the border?

No, but international airports and seaports are borders. Everyone has to be checked coming in. Both problems can be solved at the same time. When you say "what about this other problem, ignore that problem" it comes off to me as you being for all those things I listed.

If both problems can't be worked on, then it seems to me that you are for kids being dragged across a desert and all those other horrible ripple effects that happen. Wouldn't a nice big fence just filter people to places they come through checked and dissuade all that other stuff going on? Like an airport or seaport does, a port of entry starts a paper trail of a person, it turns them into an actual person that can be tracked and kept tabs on.

It seems to me that you are a terrible person that is for all those things I listed and more. Why are you encouraging undocumented squalor, being paid ridiculous low wages, living under the fear of being sent back across the border?

For shame, for shame...

I never said this or mentioned this:
Why are you encouraging undocumented squalor, being paid ridiculous low wages, living under the fear of being sent back across the border?

Sorry.

 

[Weppers]

 

[The Pink Panther]

Why are you encouraging undocumented squalor, being paid ridiculously low wages, living under the fear of being sent back across the border?

We don't. We don't encourage those things because unless you go under the process, you shouldn't cross the border because it's illegal and you'll be apprehended and get deported.


Sure, you COULD. After all, Mexico is a pretty crappy country to live in, but it's not really a smart idea. I think if we want to lower illegal immigration, not only do we need some way to prevent them, like a border, but we also need to help Mexico out somehow.

And yeah, fault on Trump's part for initially trying to get Mexico to "Pay for the wall".

 

[DocHoliday1977]

So with that said, do you accept the idea of a way to protect the border itself is not the original idea of Trump, but the idea of a concrete wall is, inspired by the acts of other countries that have WORKED?

The problem is more multi layered and complex than what a wall can hold back from 1 US border. Human trafficking is not confined to the border and not just the southern border either. The idea of a wall is a simple minded answer to a complex situation that requires international cooperation. Denigrating it to a talking point or a political chant belittes the seriousness of the problem.

 

[Whatevs]

I never said this or mentioned this:
Why are you encouraging undocumented squalor, being paid ridiculous low wages, living under the fear of being sent back across the border?

Sorry.

Well if you're against dissuading people, (which a border barrier will do) from crossing the border illegally and through dangerous means, and against making them come in through ports of entry, thus making them arrive announced and giving them documents. You are for it, whether you say it directly or not, you are for it. You are for that and all the after effects of illegals coming in and removing their rights of recourse for being treated like shit.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe a wall is a simple solution to a complex problem? Not all complex problems require complex solutions, ever hear the phrase "Keep It Simple Stupid." It isn't to keep people in like the Berlin Wall, it's only to keep people from using these dubious means to get in. It doesn't say "you can't come in" it says "use the fucking doors like everyone else." And well if you're against that, then I don't know what to tell you, other than you are a pretty horrible person that is encouraging this farce for letting people live like slaves.

 

[The Pink Panther]

The problem is more multi layered and complex than what a wall can hold back from 1 US border. Human trafficking is not confined to the border and not just the southern border either. The idea of a wall is a simple minded answer to a complex situation that requires international cooperation. Denigrating it to a talking point or a political chant belittes the seriousness of the problem.

Yes, I'm aware of that.

Human trafficking happens all over the world. It even happens with people being taken from the streets.

The solution recommended being that of a wall is a solution to part of a problem. It's not a solution to a whole problem, as far as I'm concerned, no politician has solved any sort of problem yet except when it comes to war and even then tensions remain. So, no solution is perfect, but it's an idea.



Plus @Whatevs said it better than I did.

 

[DocHoliday1977]

Yes, I'm aware of that.

Human trafficking happens all over the world. It even happens with people being taken from the streets.

The solution recommended being that of a wall is a solution to part of a problem. It's not a solution to a whole problem, as far as I'm concerned, no politician has solved any sort of problem yet except when it comes to war and even then tensions remain. So, no solution is perfect, but it's an idea.



Plus @Whatevs said it better than I did.

The wall only stops people "walking" or driving across the southern border. I do need to remind people that the American border does run through impassable terrain and a desert.

Well if you're against dissuading people, (which a border barrier will do) from crossing the border illegally and through dangerous means, and against making them come in through ports of entry, thus making them arrive announced and giving them documents. You are for it, whether you say it directly or not, you are for it. You are for that and all the after effects of illegals coming in and removing their rights of recourse for being treated like shit.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe a wall is a simple solution to a complex problem? Not all complex problems require complex solutions, ever hear the phrase "Keep It Simple Stupid." It isn't to keep people in like the Berlin Wall, it's only to keep people from using these dubious means to get in. It doesn't say "you can't come in" it says "use the fucking doors like everyone else." And well if you're against that, then I don't know what to tell you, other than you are a pretty horrible person that is encouraging this farce for letting people live like slaves.

"You are for it, whether you say it directly or not, you are for it. You are for that and all the after effects of illegals coming in and removing their rights of recourse for being treated like shit."

Um, I am not for it.

"Did you ever stop to think that maybe a wall is a simple solution to a complex problem? "

I have yet to see a wall stop planes from landing in the US.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Just because a solution doesn’t solve 100% of a problem doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be used if it actively makes the problem smaller.