Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[BoingBoingBoi]

Fuck you Twitter, when everyone reported Kathy Griffin for non-jokingly calling to dox children, you did fuck all.

he's so careful they will literally invent crimes to shut him down.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I've been really chomping at the bit about this case. I feel like I've been waiting to see these folks suffer the repercussions of their actions for years. The behavior exhibited by #kickvic has so exemplified social justice excess that it's cast the whole gang in new roles as sacrificial effigies, doomed to soak up a stash of schadenfreude we've all been working on for the better part of a decade.

You are not alone. Some people dropped some serious cash into that gofundme and it happened fast. People are tired of shit like this happening and the realization in popular culture that there are ways to fight back in court means we are probably going to see more of these twitter speds keel hauled through the judiciary

 

[MG 192]

So, don't know if this has been talked about... But here's a Hero Hei stream that happened last night.

YouTube

youtu.be

Interestingly, he covers Mangakamen's video on the matter (the second one), and MK found out.

Fun little points - You got Hero's fans saying "Don’t waste your time with people that backpedal on their own statements by calling them a jokes after people see it for what it is."

YellowFlash saying that Manga would strike the stream (Really shows he's kinda talking out of his ass since Manga's first video in response to the Vic drama actually defended Yellow from Marzgurl trying to take down his vids, heck, even his second video alludes to that).

And Manga actually showing up.

... And the chat telling him to call his girlfriend back since she called him near the beginning of when he showed up.


I just kinda find it weird that you've got Yellow making that claim and saying "I don't know you man", but you assume the worst about a guy who's trying to be neutral?

Also, Hero claiming that Manga's a hypocrite for spending 10 minutes after saying people shouldn't use SJW and then insulting others... I dunno, I watched Manga's video, and Manga didn't really insult anyone in particular...

Thoughts?

Both Hero Hei and to a lesser extent, MangaKamen's Discord discussed the event. I know for a fact that MangaKamen came into Hero Hei's Discord to talk about the situation.

I am going to get to the bottom of the situation to see what the fuck is going on. I was in Hero's stream but I missed the controversy due to only being in part of it.

 

[Monkey Prick]

Wee bit o smack, pal? Only Ten of your English Pounds.

You say the "E" word is Glasgow and you're likely to end up receiving a Glasgow kiss

 

[mindlessobserver]

You say the "E" word is Glasgow and you're likely to end up receiving a Glasgow kiss

Better a Glasgow kiss as opposed to a Birmingham smile

 

[JRM94]

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Nick continues to constantly live in their mind rent free and NJ4K is a hollowed saint to them, for no other reason than joining #kickvic. It's almost like #listenandbelieve applies to everything surrounding this to them.

Wouldn't shock me in the least bit if NJ4K1 got chastised on video by someone in the military for stolen valor and SJWs use mental gymnastics to defend him.

 

[New_001]

The reason that happened is that GG very decisively ended. In October 2015. It was over when this fucking thing got released and was so bad that the UN publicly apologized for it. There was nothing else at that point. Everyone of substance basically left at that point. The only ones who stuck around were those using it to watchdog (the ones doing it right), the assholes who lost (because they were convinced they had won), and the morons hoping to keep the fucking thing going to drive the offensive someplace else. Of course it was going to become dumber at that point.

There's been plenty of ink spilled on GG, i fear that ink will continue to spill on it for atleast another 5 years.
GG was just the right shitstorm, in the right place, at the right time. It had everything. False DMCA's, Mass Deletions, Sex scandals, Payola, Mods doing it for free everywhere, discussion banned from 4chan, The fappening as an adjacent happening. It had it all. In the begining, the first few months i watched it closely and posted daily. The happenings just would not stop.

What happened is obvious. gg Became this rally point of everything that was going wrong. It was the beginnings of the factions that would wage unholy war in the years to come and during the election. Gamergate died in mid 2015 as it's players spun off into politics. People that invested time in it never got closure. All the weapons were still left on the feild at the end of the day. Fun was had to be sure but at the end of the day everyone felt like an entire YEAR worth of energy had been expended with no clear victor.


Weebwars is different for the reason most people have stated but for me it's specifically two.

1. There isn't a "press" to tow the party line and the main stream media will never grab ahold of it. This limits its scope and by extension outside influence.
2. There is a target and a goal. We all know how much the internet loves goals. Dig and expose? DONE | Fund a lawsuit to the tune of $100,000? DONE | Sue everyone and salt the fucking earth? In Progress.

 

[OddEyes]

Both Hero Hei and to a lesser extent, MangaKamen's Discord discussed the event. I know for a fact that MangaKamen came into Hero Hei's Discord to talk about the situation.

I am going to get to the bottom of the situation to see what the fuck is going on. I was in Hero's stream but I missed the controversy due to only being in part of it.

I wouldn't call it a controversy, I just think it's a misunderstanding and ya know... odd that Hero would cover a video that is trying to be neutral (or to a lesser extent, agrees with his position), but criticizes both sides.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I suppose there's no way to confirm that letters got delivered outside of the sudden radio silence on Twitter? At what point in this process going forward would public knowledge be available?

If letters went out they were the formal Deman for Retraction. Basically similar to a C&D. In Texas they need to do this to gain exculpatory damages. These will quickly be followed by Letters Demanding Preservation of all communications and Materials to Prevent spoilage. Neither of these letters will be public unless somebody screeches. The final letters will be a few days later (gotta give some time to retract. Call it 48 hours or so.) These will be serving the lawsuit. The You Are Being Sued letters. While those will not be public (I don’t think) the corresponding court filings will be. (Once they get in the system).

So, don't know if this has been talked about... But here's a Hero Hei stream that happened last night.

YouTube

youtu.be

Interestingly, he covers Mangakamen's video on the matter (the second one), and MK found out.

Fun little points - You got Hero's fans saying "Don’t waste your time with people that backpedal on their own statements by calling them a jokes after people see it for what it is."

YellowFlash saying that Manga would strike the stream (Really shows he's kinda talking out of his ass since Manga's first video in response to the Vic drama actually defended Yellow from Marzgurl trying to take down his vids, heck, even his second video alludes to that).

And Manga actually showing up.

... And the chat telling him to call his girlfriend back since she called him near the beginning of when he showed up.


I just kinda find it weird that you've got Yellow making that claim and saying "I don't know you man", but you assume the worst about a guy who's trying to be neutral?

Also, Hero claiming that Manga's a hypocrite for spending 10 minutes after saying people shouldn't use SJW and then insulting others... I dunno, I watched Manga's video, and Manga didn't really insult anyone in particular...

Thoughts?

It’s the same sperg’ing IBS style Youtube drama shit that we see on the “fan” side of all these little dramadies. Pointless, meaningless, completely stupid, and only serving to herd the most retarded individuals into one room, making it easier for the rest of us to ignore them.

 

[OldAmishRenegade]

The only other church goer VA's that I am aware of aside from Vic are Jodi Benson and Jason Douglas. Benson is devoutly religious, her brother is a homo that she's "praying for" (tho I imagine she'd accept it)

Caitlin Glass is Christian. Those faith services Vic does at cons started because he and Caitlin were singing church songs one Sunday morning at a convention and a bunch of fans gathered to listen, so he decided to make it an actual thing.

Pretty sure Quinton Flynn is Christian too.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

I suppose there's no way to confirm that letters got delivered outside of the sudden radio silence on Twitter?

Pretty much. Or if these dumb loud people announce their shit and continue their behavior. Monica Rial doesn’t have any conventions to go to until next weekend, according to AnimeCons.com.

 

[Sketti Land]

Everyone in the main cast has easily identifiable involvement as directly causing the drama rather then fueling it. Shane is not on the main cast list as an example. If we listed everyone involved the OP would read like war and peace. The conspiracy plots in game of thrones are more straight foreword then what went down in the Anime VA community. I'm really just the scribe though so if people really feel someone needs to go on then they will go on.

I understand what you’re saying, but I do still believe Amelia Cook should be added. Japan Times wrote a glowing article about her in the past. Now that there’s an anti-vic article from them, it would be interesting to see if there is further involvement there. It seems strange to me that a professional publication involved with current affairs pertaining to Japan as a country would care about some drama going on in the American weeb community. Until now, only a few articles about it have been published and they all ended up being “friend of a friend” bullshit. Wonder if it’s the same thing here.
Their article on her: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2019/01/24/tv/anime-feminist-tackling-animes-gender-bias/
Archive: http://archive.is/0Y2AM

I know I’ve been sperging on her, and this will be my last post about her, but between this and the brokenstaircase spreadsheet, seeing these sanctimonious morons thinking they can dictate entire industries in media and how they’re run simply because they have a degree in Writing or Gender Studies just rubs me the wrong way. So many factors that are different with this gate compared to the last ones that really makes you feel things will be different this time around, once all the autistic pieces are put in place.

Shane is just some idiot that got himself involved that had no contact with any of the main players outside of trying to shill for his covention. Adding him to OP would do nothing but feed his ego. Sabat however should also be added. Word from Nick in his last stream with AO is that he was strong arming and blackmailing Funi staff into getting Vic kicked. He also might have had something to do with that exceptionally short-lived #Bethere campaign. I recommend keeping an eye on him for sure.

 

[MG 192]

I wouldn't call it a controversy, I just think it's a misunderstanding and ya know... odd that Hero would cover a video that is trying to be neutral (or to a lesser extent, agrees with his position), but criticizes both sides.

After looking over the Discords and the videos, I agree that this was a case of misunderstanding from both sides. Neither means ill, that's for sure.

Supposedly, MangaKamen is supposed to talk with Hero Hei about this today. If so, I hope I can catch it since I am interested to see what both have to say on the matter.

Also, MangaKamen gave a shoutout to us in this video.

The Vic Mignogna Drama: My Thoughts One More Time

So, we're doing ONE more video on this. I promise that this will be the last one, but considering that the last one was... Interesting, we'll do one final da...

www.youtube.com

 

[Tard]

It seems strange to me that a professional publication involved with current affairs pertaining to Japan as a country would care about some drama going on in the American weeb community

I think alot of people are putting Japan Times on too high of a pedestal.
A few people on twitter who know people in japan or live in japan themselves don't really consider it a huge professional publication. Most either haven't heard of it or if they have it's a "only the American people there read it and it turned to garbage since 2015" It seems to be written by Americans and only read by an American audience and harshly criticizes Japanese culture in a "your country is a bunch of sexists" type of way which makes me doubt any Japanese people really read it at all.
The only thing really making it Japanese at all is that it's owned by a Japanese company that just enables their behavior and takes place in Japan, it really just seems like a BuzzFeed wannabe that is only keeping its head above water because it's the only English written paper there that Americans can read

 

[Captain Manning]

To quote Nick Rekieta, "sarcasm is not safe for Twitter"

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While it's certainly funny, Nick might want to cool it on the sarcasm and BTFOing of every retard.

Not because he's doing anything inherently wrong, but because I'd hate to see him get banned from Twitter.

He's being very successful with #vickicksback right now.

If letters went out they were the formal Deman for Retraction. Basically similar to a C&D. In Texas they need to do this to gain exculpatory damages.

I think you mean exemplary damages. Texas awards exemplary damages for defamation if you lose after receiving a 90-day demand to retract.

It was enacted to entice people try and end defamation cases before they go to court and promote better judicial economy.

Retraction Law in Texas | Digital Media Law Project

www.dmlp.org

EDIT: Better link...

Texas Defamation Laws & Standards | RM Warner Law | Defamation Law, Internet Law, Business Law

An introduction to Texas defamation laws and standards.

kellywarnerlaw.com

 

[AnOminous]

If letters went out they were the formal Deman for Retraction. Basically similar to a C&D. In Texas they need to do this to gain exculpatory damages.

You mean exemplary damages. Or as they're often called punitive damages, but in Texas defamation law they are called exemplary. These are damages intended to punish or make an example of the defendant to discourage others from the same misconduct.

The letters in question would be of the form described in the Texas defamation statute. I've posted it in this thread before but the thread moves fast so for anyone who missed it:

CIVIL PRACTICE AND REMEDIES CODE CHAPTER 73. LIBEL

Sec. 73.055. REQUEST FOR CORRECTION, CLARIFICATION, OR RETRACTION. (a) A person may maintain an action for defamation only if:

(1) the person has made a timely and sufficient request for a correction, clarification, or retraction from the defendant; or

(2) the defendant has made a correction, clarification, or retraction.

(b) A request for a correction, clarification, or retraction is timely if made during the period of limitation for commencement of an action for defamation.

(c) If not later than the 90th day after receiving knowledge of the publication, the person does not request a correction, clarification, or retraction, the person may not recover exemplary damages.

(d) A request for a correction, clarification, or retraction is sufficient if it:

(1) is served on the publisher;

(2) is made in writing, reasonably identifies the person making the request, and is signed by the individual claiming to have been defamed or by the person's authorized attorney or agent;

(3) states with particularity the statement alleged to be false and defamatory and, to the extent known, the time and place of publication;

(4) alleges the defamatory meaning of the statement; and

(5) specifies the circumstances causing a defamatory meaning of the statement if it arises from something other than the express language of the publication.

(e) A period of limitation for commencement of an action under this section is tolled during the period allowed by Sections 73.056 and 73.057.

Then a little dance commences between the parties in which retractions, corrections, clarifications, or whatever can be issued to reduce damages or the availability of certain kinds of damages. For instance, the recipients could request information that actually establishes some reason to believe they actually have something to retract.

Sec. 73.056. DISCLOSURE OF EVIDENCE OF FALSITY. (a) A person who has been requested to make a correction, clarification, or retraction may ask the person making the request to provide reasonably available information regarding the falsity of the allegedly defamatory statement not later than the 30th day after the date the person receives the request. Any information requested under this section must be provided by the person seeking the correction, clarification, or retraction not later than the 30th day after the date the person receives the request.

(b) If a correction, clarification, or retraction is not made, a person who, without good cause, fails to disclose the information requested under Subsection (a) may not recover exemplary damages, unless the publication was made with actual malice.

The form the retraction or apology has to take is described in fairly lengthy fashion but, for instance, if it's on the Internet, it has to be made in a way that would reach the same audience.

This whole process is fairly new and was introduced by the Texas legislature in 2013, so there isn't a whole lot of case law about it, which means hashing it all out could turn out to be a lot of very expensive fun for litigants involved in such actions.

 

[RodgerDodger]

While it's certainly funny, Nick might want to cool it on the sarcasm and BTFOing of every exceptional individual.

Not because he's doing anything inherently wrong, but because I'd hate to see him get banned from Twitter.

He's being very successful with #vickicksback right now.



I think you mean exemplary damages. Texas awards exemplary damages for defamation if you lose after receiving a 90-day demand to retract.

It was enacted to entice people try and end defamation cases before they go to court and promote better judicial economy.

Retraction Law in Texas | Digital Media Law Project

www.dmlp.org

EDIT: Better link...

Texas Defamation Laws & Standards | RM Warner Law | Defamation Law, Internet Law, Business Law

An introduction to Texas defamation laws and standards.

kellywarnerlaw.com

Yes thank you. Brain fart mixed with autocorrect

 

[Sketti Land]

To quote Nick Rekieta, "sarcasm is not safe for Twitter"

Rekieta Law

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Now that’s just sad. Yet, they’re totally okay with Jamie Marchi threatening to rip a guy’s balls off and Monica threatening to report randos to the FBI. So glad I never got into hugbox sites like Twitter and Tumblr.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

This is all in line with the Saul Alinsky playbook, isn't it? Infiltrate some scene, seed it with ideologues, corrupt & destroy it, then repeat. There's a perceived ideological value in denying average folks their escapist entertainment.

Yes and no. Saul's book is important, but this is actually an old Maoist(?) trick. Basically, they're using Communist infiltration techniques on Culture.

Comics, Games, Anime, what have you. They infiltrate, they change shit to match their cultural values (and deny other people's), and either one of two things happens: They gain a new organization dedicated to their ideology, or they get thrown out and torch the place on the way out, denying the culture of their opponents (straight white men).

It's why they target sub-groups that do localization, gatekeeping, etc. Maximum bang for the buck. I anticipate the Weeb War lawsuits to take a while (and are kinda unprecedented), so instead, watch as they're thrown out of comics, and their big reaction is to make sure the alternative comics guys like Richard C. Meyer (Diversity and Comics), EVS, etc have their projects aborted / ruined financially, rather than just letting them go off and do their own thing, while also doxing / swatting Alterna Comics (ran by an Asian Race Traitor, to boot!), and -- of course -- destroying as many cultural icons (Female Thor! Sassy black teenaged Iron Man girl! Captain Marvel is the best Evar!!!) at Marvel as they can on their way out the door.

EDIT: As EVS reminded me in one of his streams I'm catching up on -- they did the same thing to GI Joe. A pro military, pro male comic taken over by an anti-military, anti-America Socialist who hates men, america, the military, and everything about GI Joe, and promptly race retconned some of the cast and made it all about a feminist and her 400 pound pet samoan. Basically, they did it just to destroy GI Joe, and to do so openly and defiantly because there was NOTHING GI Joe fans could do about it.

David Hines (the Days of Rage blog guy) covers a similar trick that is probably a more generalized version of this one by describing how they're using it to low key destroy the NRA: http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/05/heres-the-playbook-organizers-are-using-to-take-down-the-nra/

Basically: Think of any website / organization / forum / hell, even subculture in general on a spectrum. Of allies, that is. It goes from Active Allies, Passive Allies, Neutral, Passive Opposition, Active Opposotion.

The goal is to shift a target one tick over. Just one. For now. So maybe they can't get Games-Workshop and the GW fans to accept Lesbian Islamic Female Space Marine Athiest Socialists yet. But they can swarm into TG and the various 40k blogs and raise such a fucking riotous stink every time they're mentioned so that people all agree it's a stupid fucking idea but lets not bring this stupid drama up again. Active Opposition switches to Passive Opposition.

In the Weeb Wars, it'll be forums all agreeing that Vic got a raw deal but "there's no need to bring up old arguments" or somesuch crap. Active to Passive again.

To quote Nick Rekieta, "sarcasm is not safe for Twitter"

Rekieta Law

Nick Rekieta, A Minnesota lawyer and owner of Rekieta Law, discusses legal topics and breaks down lawsuits; often, over scotch. Lawsplaining the Interwebs an...

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Didn't Renfamous start getting involved with KickVic? It's well known he's fucking someone (or has fucked someone) over at Twitter, so he can call in favors to nuke accounts he doesn't like.

Fuck you Twitter, when everyone reported Kathy Griffin for non-jokingly calling to dox children, you did fuck all.

More specifically, they literally auto-shitcan any reports for bluechecks. There have been instances where bluechecks got their accounts compromised and posted literally millions of spam links a day, for weeks. Twitter disables any and all limiters / reporting features / sanity checks for the bluechecks.

 

[Dr. Dingo DVM]

Pretty sure Quinton Flynn is Christian too.

I imagine he would need something to believe in after getting fully ensnared into the den of autistic fujoshis known as the Kingdom Hearts fandom.

On topic: Hero Hei seems to have exhausted his purpose. He was a weeb advisor to Nick and now he's just off doing boring "SJW rekt compilation" videos every hack that's ever been in a -gate has done. Now it's just embarrassing. YF also needs to go back to doing what he does best; being obnoxious.