Brenton Tarrant posts on 8chan, shoots up Mosque killing 49 muslims in New Zealand, livestreams from GoPro

[Dracula's Spirit Animal]

Ok... Anybody have a good link for what was written on the various guns?

This is what I was able to figure out, but I'm a blind boomer fuck and probably don't get some of the memeology, and can't read sped lingo....

SHOTGUN #1
This machine kills commies re..... .....
Vienna is [83?]...
for the ? [Beslan?]
M... ISIS
1571
Vienna ....
SHOTGUN #2
Knock knock
Remember....dies...

RIFLE #1
Kebab Remover
Ebba Akerlund
14 14 [Why didn’t he shitpost 1488?]
14 For....
Deus V... [?? Vult ??? on the right side, visible around 9:01 ??]
Chan [?]
Martel ....[? on the top of stock?]
1571
They were....
Belgrade....
John Hun[stedt]
732

RIFLE #2
Anton.....
...funtime
Absolutely [pissone?]
This is for Ebba Akerlund
For [Brussels?]
14 14...
Pay.... already....

RIFLE #3
No idea.....

RIFLE/SHOTGUN #4
No idea....

 

[JeffA]

If you watch the video he had some nice ass firebombs in his trunk ready to go.

He stuffed the fire bombing part up, it all seemed a bit bumbling.

 

[symantec]

He stuffed the fire bombing part up, it all seemed a bit bumbling.

Yeah, he obviously had a few days at the range, but absolutely no conditional training at all.

 

[AStupidMonkey]

Obviously I'm preaching to the choir, but the reason these people target such places is due to the lack of armed security.

And more security comes with its own issues, too. Anyone else reminded of that temple security guard who barely could english and tried to play Pop The Troon? Now imagine that guy in a turban and make him even MORE paranoid. So it's probably a win/win for 4chan pew pew guy.

Aight, so I'm braced for the colorful puzzle piece internet stickers, but I genuinely want to understand where you're coming from with this.

1. Say the "incompatible with our values as westerners" bit is true. In that case, what do you do about Islam? Ban it?

2. The generally held opinion here seems to be censorship in any form is bad and that freedom of speech. I also see a lot of if "x is banned, y and z will be too". Say you do want to ban it. If a whole established religion is banned (or otherwise restricted), is that not impending on personal freedoms? How do you prevent the eventual banning of other religions if a precedent has been set? And wouldn't that be censorship of like, the Quran?

I'm not trying to be like, "gotcha!" or whatever. I genuinely don't know.

No point banning anything, since it'll just drive everything even further underground. (Though, I suspect that's what The GoPro-fessional admired about China.) Much easier for intelligence agencies to whack-a-mole these things when they're operating (more or less) in broad daylight.

Waiting around for it to die out or modernize is a bit of a loser's gambit too, and probably plays right into the hands of extremists.

But what I wouldn't do is invite gorillions of them into Western countries unchecked. But let's face it, that's probably the card we're going to play (and already have, if you're in Europe.)

Just because there's no such thing as 100% absolute safety doesn't mean you leave your door unlocked every time you go out.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Say the "incompatible with our values as westerners" bit is true. In that case, what do you do about Islam? Ban it?

It is a genuine secondary concern to identifying a problem, how you should solve a problem.

If you have a corrupted hard disk and keep trying to reboot the computer it won't work, you have to accurately acknowledge the problem before you can solve it. Worrying about the problems in solving it in advance only gives undue anxiety.

Though if you do want to think about solutions, you can't effectively ban a religion and maintain a liberal society. (This is also part of the reason liberal society and islam don't mix; islam does want suppression of other religions and atheism)

And I always think this is a good thought experiment: if you moved with your family to saudi arabia, how many generations would it take for your family to celebrate stoning women for being raped and such? Or support legal forced marriages?

I think most people's answer is: hopefully never.

Then what makes muslims so different? And if they are so different, how could they be compatible as a people?

In the end I think the idea that you can seperate religion from the identity of a people can only result in the most massive of bloodshed. And as a result I think the most peaceful long term solution is remigration.

There may be better solutions. Just have to start acknowledging the problem to get more bigbrains on solving this.

2. The generally held opinion here seems to be censorship in any form is bad and that freedom of speech. I also see a lot of if "x is banned, y and z will be too". Say you do want to ban it. If a whole established religion is banned (or otherwise restricted), is that not impending on personal freedoms? How do you prevent the eventual banning of other religions if a precedent has been set? And wouldn't that be censorship of like, the Quran?

This presupposes that banning islam would solve anything. Muslims are playing identity politics. Jews are playing identity politics. It's part if the reason jewish lobby is responsible for migration of muslims into europe and mexicans into US. Muslims are playing identity politics, through the womb, through self-segregation, with the hijab as most obvious symbol. You are going to have to play this ugly game if you want to keep a seat at the table and you don't have to do it in a murderous way like Tarrant.

 

[Cromagnon]

Aight, so I'm braced for the colorful puzzle piece internet stickers, but I genuinely want to understand where you're coming from with this.

1. Say the "incompatible with our values as westerners" bit is true. In that case, what do you do about Islam? Ban it?

2. The generally held opinion here seems to be censorship in any form is bad and that freedom of speech. I also see a lot of if "x is banned, y and z will be too". Say you do want to ban it. If a whole established religion is banned (or otherwise restricted), is that not impending on personal freedoms? How do you prevent the eventual banning of other religions if a precedent has been set? And wouldn't that be censorship of like, the Quran?

I'm not trying to be like, "gotcha!" or whatever. I genuinely don't know.

No, you don't ban it - what you aim for is to make it as socially acceptable to mock and lampoon as any other religion. At the moment, if you make a quip in an office about, say, Mo flying around on the back of a winged horse, you'll be frogmarched into HR and likely fired for being insensitive - once that changes, tensions will fade.

 

[symantec]

And more security comes with its own issues, too. Anyone else reminded of that temple security guard who barely could english and tried to play Pop The Troon? Now imagine that guy in a turban and make him even MORE paranoid. So it's probably a win/win for 4chan pew pew guy.

It depends on your approach. Are you going to spare no expense hiring an armed detail, pay to have your parishioners trained, or implement a full security plan? If you don't have a detailed plan for events like this with situational awareness training for your security, you're pretty much as fucked as you were without security. My point being, people with proper training and thorough vetting aren't going to be problematic at handling a crisis.

 

[CoolGuyHitler]

Fraser Anning, the Australian Senator who put out that controversial press release earlier just got egged at a press conference.
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That kid is a jerk.
But then again Fraser Anning shouldn't have held a public press conference if he didn't want to get egged.

 

[BillyGoat2]

Well this is interesting. the mosque actually had supposed al-Qaida ties back in 14

Christchurch mosque linked to al-Qaida suspect

A Christchurch mosque has been linked to the drone killing of New Zealand al-Qaida suspect Daryl Jones.

www.newshub.co.nz

 

[AStupidMonkey]

Well this is interesting. the mosque actually had supposed al-Qaida ties back in 14

Christchurch mosque linked to al-Qaida suspect

A Christchurch mosque has been linked to the drone killing of New Zealand al-Qaida suspect Daryl Jones.

www.newshub.co.nz

No, that's ignorance! These are "the good muslims," remember? Wasn't that our narrative just earlier?

The overwhelming majority of Muslims in New Zealand are Ahmadi Muslims.

Do you know what that means?

It means they're basically liberal Christians.

It was! It WAS the narrative! Well fiddle-de-dee!

 

[goku_black]

can anyone verify if Brenton Tarrant was a navy seals

 

[Bongsnake McGee]

what's strange here is that this wasn't the only shooting in that town at a mosque the same day, right? and one loony with a gun is a tragedy, two is a... tragic coincidence?

e:nvm

 

[agptroon]

what's strange here is that this wasn't the only shooting in that town at a mosque the same day, right? and one loony with a gun is a tragedy, two is a... tragic coincidence?

It was the same guy in both mosques.

 

[Bongsnake McGee]

It was the same guy in both mosques.

ah, my bad.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

You are going to have to play this ugly game if you want to keep a seat at the table and you don't have to do it in a murderous way like Tarrant.

Can't forget the idpol game. Part of the reason why demonize anyone who isn't ashamed to be white or a be a man is because they absolutely don't want to unleash the genie of white or male identity politics. But at the rate things are going, white identity politics will be rising, and they better hope to god they don't radicalize all the whites into legit Nazis or Brenton Tarrant types. They've screamed "Nazi" so many times that they're almost blind to actual Nazis--remember, PewDiePie is just as much of a Nazi as Brenton Tarrant.

 

[heathercho]

Aight, so I'm braced for the colorful puzzle piece internet stickers, but I genuinely want to understand where you're coming from with this.

1. Say the "incompatible with our values as westerners" bit is true. In that case, what do you do about Islam? Ban it?

2. The generally held opinion here seems to be censorship in any form is bad and that freedom of speech. I also see a lot of if "x is banned, y and z will be too". Say you do want to ban it. If a whole established religion is banned (or otherwise restricted), is that not impending on personal freedoms? How do you prevent the eventual banning of other religions if a precedent has been set? And wouldn't that be censorship of like, the Quran?

I'm not trying to be like, "gotcha!" or whatever. I genuinely don't know.

If you enjoy the freedoms of the western world and choose to keep it that way, then you do need to have a conversation about it.
Islam is completely incompatible with anything that isn't that exact sect of Islam. That's not a "what if". It's a reality.

Feminists should be pro-removing kebab. Islam is not a feminist religion, no matter what taqiyya hijab'd western muslims say. If we desire to keep the west or any country - China included, how it is, then you do not allow Islam to take over. Look at the UK. It's fucked, there's no saving it. The british are licking the balls of every Islamic brown person that strolls on in.

As for banning, no you don't ban it. You just start moderating it. You start holding them to the same standards everyone else is held to. You don't let them run around like animals. You send them back if they can't behave. You stem the flow of the savages and you don't go opening the flood gates to the ones directly from war zones.
You certainly don't kowtow to them, make up new laws to protect them and fetishize them like SJWs do in the west.

You encourage your own countries to be self feeding, you encourage your own citizens to raise the birth rate. You don't import replacement populations of second grade humans.

I'm not saying some muslims aren't good people, but their culture is incompatible with freedom. Hence why they fight each other, everyone else and flee their homelands all the time.

Also, to the people who say "Well.... white people stole the land from brown people" in Australia/NZ forget the small fact, that when they turned up, nothing was there. The people who were there beforehand didn't have any kind of modern culture. So "allowing" muslims to "take over" coz the "white people did it" isn't the same thing.

Having said that, I think it's terrible that innocent people were killed, when the people who should be killed are the dumbasses bringing them in and replacing the population with them. If anyone should be killed.

 

[Guli]

 

[Feline Darkmage]

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The waifu stages are the one thing I expected, but never wanted to come to pass.
brb, getting bleach.

 

[A Logging Company]

Its interesting he chose to target Islam, since from what I hear its mainly the Chinese taking over Australia, both in terms of demographics and economics. I've heard it suggested that White Nationalism is for whites what extremist Islam is for brown people, and in wanting to get retribution on Muslims for terrorist attacks in Europe he ultimately mirrored them.

 

[Animewasamistake]

Its interesting he chose to target Islam, since from what I hear its mainly the Chinese taking over Australia, both in terms of demographics and economics. I've heard it suggested that White Nationalism is for whites what extremist Islam is for brown people, and in wanting to get retribution on Muslims for terrorist attacks in Europe he ultimately mirrored them.

do none of you bumblefucks have a globe? New Zealand is a independent country to Australia