Fat Acceptance Movement / Fat Girlcows

[skellig58]

AFAIK Anna isn’t known for deleting content, but the video where she tests out Monistat for anti-chafing has disappeared from her channel. The article she wrote on it is still up, and with it a thumbnail from the embedded video, which shows up as unavailable.

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It was an absolute spectacle. A morbidly obese, 5 foot 11 titan of a woman sprinting full force at the camera. Dunno why she’d delete this when she’s so shameless about everything else.

Good Lord this is so late. But I just saw this and thought, "oh LAWD she comin'!!!!"

 

[junafolia]

The plus size store Torrid now has 00 as a size. I believe its a 14/16 in regular store sizes.

UNREALISTIC BEAUTY STANDARDS
Now plus sized women are going to starve themselves and develop eating disorders to fit into this gold standard Zero

 

[BIG BILL HELL'S]

The plus size store Torrid now has 00 as a size. I believe its a 14/16 in regular store sizes.

So now women's clothes are being sized like buckshot?

 

[pinkbutterfly]

Hell, I'd go as far as to say that if someone's too fat for a bed, they're too fat for college, period. Dorm rooms are tiny and sometimes have bunkbeds (imagine a fatty on the top bunk), and most college campuses force students to walk several miles a day, rush around/literally run to get to their next class on time, even--omg--climb some steep hills and stairs, etc.

It's incredibly sad to think that people in the 17- to 23-year-old range can't do normal human things like sleep in a standard-issue bed.

College is the first time many students are fully in control of what they eat - so it could be a great opportunity to run some nutritional classes, or promote healthy habits (for both ends of the scale, because starting college can worsen or trigger restrictive EDs as well). Sure, maybe part of the 'experience' is drinking and eating takeout, but at least give them a chance at making informed decisions.

But that would probably be considered horrifically fatphobic or something, sadly.

(Correct me if this sort of thing is already in place. All I remember was an ED helpline poster in dorm kitchens).

 

[GenociderSyo]

College is the first time many students are fully in control of what they eat - so it could be a great opportunity to run some nutritional classes, or promote healthy habits (for both ends of the scale, because starting college can worsen or trigger restrictive EDs as well). Sure, maybe part of the 'experience' is drinking and eating takeout, but at least give them a chance at making informed decisions.

But that would probably be considered horrifically fatphobic or something, sadly.

(Correct me if this sort of thing is already in place. All I remember was an ED helpline poster in dorm kitchens).

Some private colleges still require a nutrional course to be taken as part of the core curriculum, but it is doubtful public ones do.

 

[PT 522]

I sometimes feel sympathetic for FA because I know it's totally possible to be a natural size 10-12 as much as it is to be a natural size 0 petite. Like some people just put on pounds easier and lots of people gain a little weight as they age and we shouldn't be making fun of them and calling them pigs.
But on the other hand, being all "health doesn't exist" is too stupid to even consider.

I guess I just miss the bopo of the mid to late 2000s, which was focused on "loving the skin you're in" even if you're not a model. That was very nice outlook even if it was a marketing trick half the time.

 

[It's HK-47]

I sometimes feel sympathetic for FA because I know it's totally possible to be a natural size 10-12 as much as it is to be a natural size 0 petite. Like some people just put on pounds easier and lots of people gain a little weight as they age and we shouldn't be making fun of them and calling them pigs.

No, they literally eat too much and exercise too little. Absolutely no one in the world is just magically, inexplicably immune to the laws of thermodynamics to the point where they can produce more potential energy (fat) than the energy they take in (food). Anyone who says they're just "naturally fat" because of X-Y-Z reason is completely ignorant of how much they're actually eating or is unbelievably bad at properly, honestly counting their calories.

If it was possible to just spontaneously be a ham-planet then why did ham-planets never show up until relatively recently in history, and why have they never popped up ass-randomly during famines? I have sympathy towards the people who do not know how to better themselves because the fitness industry has made everything such a goddamned clusterfuck that it's almost impossible to get a straight answer anymore, but I don't remotely sympathize with people who try and pull some "Get Out of Responsibility for My Own Fat" card because it is always their fault 100% of the time.

I don't car what medication you're on, I don't care if you have PCOS, I don't care what sort of thyroid problem or medical disability you have, you can always make adjustments and they're not hard to make. Fat people are fat because they let themselves get fat. There's no deeper mystery to it. Also, the only reason that people "gain weight as they age" is because your calorie requirements decrease as you get older. If you adjust for that--as usual-- you don't get fat.

 

[rocknrollmartian]

I don't care what sort of thyroid problem or medical disability you have, you can always make adjustments and they're not hard to make

I don't want to get into an actual debate about this since it's basically OT, but when someone has a TDEE of 1200 to 1400 calories a day in order to stay at a BMI of 19 to 23 (like many women 5'4" and under do), I think we're getting into "simple but not easy" territory unless you watch every bite you take or someone is extremely motivated because they're in the health and fitness industry or some such. Of course this is a far cry from "I'm 300+ pounds and loving it" and wearing pizza as an accessory, which is the garbage that FA/HAES/BoPo has morphed into as Fat Pikachu mentioned, but weight loss and maintenance really do require constant vigilance or near-perfect habits for a lot of people. Plenty of people do it and prioritize it, so it's obviously possible, but sometimes the 1200isplenty Reddit sub is such a bummer and seems to celebrate the restriction form of disordered eating when I take a look.

Anyway, I don't think weight loss is incredibly easy overall, but I'll gladly take any "disagree" or "dumb" ratings and go on my merry way.

 

[thejackal]

Good Lord this is so late. But I just saw this and thought, "oh LAWD she comin'!!!!"

luckily she moves slowly and you'll seismically feel her coming long before she's within stampede range.

 

[It's HK-47]

I don't want to get into an actual debate about this since it's basically OT, but when someone has a TDEE of 1200 to 1400 calories a day in order to stay at a BMI of 19 to 23 (like many women 5'4" and under do), I think we're getting into "simple but not easy" territory unless you watch every bite you take or someone is extremely motivated because they're in the health and fitness industry or some such. Of course this is a far cry from "I'm 300+ pounds and loving it" and wearing pizza as an accessory, which is the garbage that FA/HAES/BoPo has morphed into as Fat Pikachu mentioned, but weight loss and maintenance really do require constant vigilance or near-perfect habits for a lot of people. Plenty of people do it and prioritize it, so it's obviously possible, but sometimes the 1200isplenty Reddit sub is such a bummer and seems to celebrate the restriction form of disordered eating when I take a look.

Anyway, I don't think weight loss is incredibly easy overall, but I'll gladly take any "disagree" or "dumb" ratings and go on my merry way.

I've known and directly assisted plenty of people who are in the six foot or taller category who have had no problems at all eating in the 1200-1400 calorie range when they were making serious pushes to lose weight. Once you learn to count calories and watch what you eat, your stomach will naturally begin to shrink itself down before too long and you can go an alarming amount of time without feeling the need to eat compared to how you used to eat, especially if you select foods high in fiber or protein.

When I was doing the same I actually had the inverse problem in that I'd have several days where I'd accidentally eat far too few calories, and not because I was starving myself, but because I got so good at selectively limiting calories and replacing high-calorie items like mayonnaise with low-calorie items like Greek Yogurt that I'd end some days only taking in 700-900 calories, and because the foods I was preparing were so high in fiber and protein, I'd wind up feeling too full to even bother eating any more, even with how few calories I'd taken in for the day.

More people need to understand that the vast majority of the food being sold in supermarkets is utterly useless, nutritionally vacant, overpriced and mass-produced schlock that serves no point other than to load you down with sugar and sodium. I'm not saying that everyone needs to buy their own seeds and raise their own chickens and eat nothing but raw spinach, but I am saying that absolutely no one on the planet needs to shove an entire box of Cheez-Its and a gallon of Mt. Dew into their faces at any point in their life.

People who are properly educated on portion sizes and calorie requirements never struggle with weight loss. It becomes so second nature that you genuinely stop even thinking about it. The problem is that a vast majority of people aren't willing to learn or aren't willing to give up binge-eating useless garbage with no nutritional value and an astronomically high number of calories. That's the saddest part of it really: Weight loss and weight maintenance is legitimately easy, it just takes patience, knowledge, and self-discipline.

 

[rocknrollmartian]

I've known and directly assisted plenty of people who are in the six foot or taller category who have had no problems at all eating in the 1200-1400 calorie range when they were making serious pushes to lose weight. Once you learn to count calories and watch what you eat, your stomach will naturally begin to shrink itself down before too long and you can go an alarming amount of time without feeling the need to eat compared to how you used to eat, especially if you select foods high in fiber or protein.

That's the saddest part of it really: Weight loss and weight maintenance is legitimately easy, it just takes patience, knowledge, and self-discipline.

I know about it (TDEE, BMR, macros, measuring, portion control, calorie counting, exercise, yada yada) and have done it and am doing it. Attempting to lose weight is hardly an unusual or esoteric experience. Anyone can say "it's easy, dummy, it's easy," but people tend to do easy shit without thinking or planning; weight loss requires both of those things in spades--which is fine, but just admit that instead of acting like it's a seamless process. Patience and discipline, while great virtues that everyone should aspire to, are not "easy." That's kind of the reason they're virtues; what's "easy" is giving up and going the other way and doing nothing, aka the current FA movement. To me it makes far more sense to say to people "this is hard and frustrating and limiting sometimes, but you can do it." I know this is not popular here because many view it as whiny laziness or empty excuses. That's OK, but that's not at all what I'm actually saying.

Obviously I find the justifications for morbid obesity and the celebration of abject everyday gluttony--especially for people with kids like that wretched lividlipids person and people who've already lost family members to premature obesity-related deaths like Anna--to be really destructive and disgusting. But that doesn't mean that weight loss is a piece of cake (pardon the pun).

 

[It's HK-47]

I know about it (TDEE, BMR, macros, measuring, portion control, calorie counting, exercise, yada yada) and have done it and am doing it. Attempting to lose weight is hardly an unusual or esoteric experience. Anyone can say "it's easy, dummy, it's easy," but people tend to do easy shit without thinking or planning; weight loss requires both of those things in spades--which is fine, but just admit that instead of acting like it's a seamless process. Patience and discipline, while great virtues that everyone should aspire to, are not "easy." That's kind of the reason they're virtues; what's "easy" is giving up and going the other way and doing nothing, aka the current FA movement. To me it makes far more sense to say to people "this is hard and frustrating and limiting sometimes, but you can do it." I know this is not popular here because many view it as whiny laziness or empty excuses. That's OK, but that's not at all what I'm actually saying.

Obviously I find the justifications for morbid obesity and the celebration of abject everyday gluttony--especially for people with kids like that wretched lividlipids person and people who've already lost family members to premature obesity-related deaths like Anna--to be really destructive and disgusting. But that doesn't mean that weight loss is a piece of cake (pardon the pun).

I feel like all you're really saying is that fat people tend to be lazy and have a terrible inability to plan things out ahead of time, but I think we established that about 322 pages ago. This sort of thing isn't a Herculean task, though, and anyone with any measure of experience should be taking very, very little time out of their day to try and figure these things out. I really don't know what else to say, because it's... It's genuinely not hard or frustrating, and anyone who thinks that it is has a terrible mindset that's doomed to fail.

If someone is torturing themselves and counting the seconds until the next "cheat meal" and driving themselves insane by measuring and weighing and obsessing over every last calorie then they have a very unhealthy relationship with food that needs to be addressed, because they're looking at "health food" as if it's a problem and unhealthy food as the "norm". If that's how someone is looking at food then yes, it would be a problem because they're being an idiot.

 

[rocknrollmartian]

It's genuinely not hard or frustrating, and anyone who thinks that it is has a terrible mindset that's doomed to fail.

You've said the same thing at least three times now, and I simply and truly don't agree. This has turned into a back-and-forth where apparently the only correct answer to you is "weight loss is easy," so we're at an impasse. That's just how it has to be.

But yes, 1200 calories a day allows for essentially no wiggle room. I didn't say it was torturous, but it's obviously strict and precise and easy to fuck up (as in, "oh shit, I had an extra banana" or "Dunkin Donuts accidentally gave me a whole m!lk latte"; no binge required). And no, my original point wasn't "fat people tend to be lazy" (I mean, duh?). My original point was that BoPo has lost its way as well as that weight loss is not easy by its very nature; it's especially hard as someone gets down to the last five or 10 pounds or wants a specific body comp. Also, why would multiple people require "assistance" from you if it's so easy, lol? You either contradicted yourself or they were part of the lazy, uneducated idiot cohort.

But go ahead and have the last word if you need it as we really can't keep going on and on with this.

 

[BIG DADDY]

I feel like all you're really saying is that fat people tend to be lazy and have a terrible inability to plan things out ahead of time, but I think we established that about 322 pages ago. This sort of thing isn't a Herculean task, though, and anyone with any measure of experience should be taking very, very little time out of their day to try and figure these things out. I really don't know what else to say, because it's... It's genuinely not hard or frustrating, and anyone who thinks that it is has a terrible mindset that's doomed to fail.

If someone is torturing themselves and counting the seconds until the next "cheat meal" and driving themselves insane by measuring and weighing and obsessing over every last calorie then they have a very unhealthy relationship with food that needs to be addressed, because they're looking at "health food" as if it's a problem and unhealthy food as the "norm". If that's how someone is looking at food then yes, it would be a problem because they're being an idiot.

It’s great you were able to adopt a high fiber diet and not feel hungry but that’s not going to be true of people who have an unhealthy emotional relationship with food or ingrained bad habits that cause addiction. Fats have damaged their bodies and brains to the point where it’s much more difficult for them. Changing your diet to very healthy/high fiber when you were already eating average or decently isn’t going to be the same as going from deathfat taking in 3000 cal a day going to 1500 and giving up high fat high sugar foods if that’s been 90% of their diet previously.

 

[weaselhat]

LifebyJen commented in her community section yesterday to assure us she is not dead. (yet) She is just suffering from some bug/virus and severe anxiety which I translate to 'I've been feeling sorry for myself and eating everything I can get my hands on.'

 

[admiral]

I failed earlier on my lifebyjen recap, but on her recommendation went on over to her twinflames channel
Amy's Life Journey!!!
Want to KNOW about me..... video

First impression, unique goddess outfit... she has my attention now.

She is a small channel who claims she is on a life journey.
The editing is lacking, and bizarre... she is losing my attention.
Her story times are for her enjoyment. Lots of squealing and laughing at her own farts. .. losing my attention further now.
She continues with more fart talk.
She seems to have quirky moments that come off manic and juvenile.

video highlight. A bikini clad women was walking down the street in January and her new to America husband was shocked. (story had potential but ended there)

Her favourite word is "my husband" I lost count at 15 "my husbands"

Overall, low in potential.

That thumbnail is incredible

 

[Francis E. Dec Esc.]

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Looks like a Tim and Eric sketch.

"I actually gain weight from not eating."

 

[thejackal]

Anna tries on some over priced fat girl shit:

Some of those items were retailing for $150 and up according to her. The dress she tries on at 19 min would make a helluva picnic cloth for a family of 4.

 

[Angry New Ager]

It’s great you were able to adopt a high fiber diet and not feel hungry but that’s not going to be true of people who have an unhealthy emotional relationship with food or ingrained bad habits that cause addiction. Fats have damaged their bodies and brains to the point where it’s much more difficult for them. Changing your diet to very healthy/high fiber when you were already eating average or decently isn’t going to be the same as going from deathfat taking in 3000 cal a day going to 1500 and giving up high fat high sugar foods if that’s been 90% of their diet previously.

This.

Fats are addicts. They are not like addicts; they are addicts. So you can go on and on all you like about what they really should be eating, and how much, and it's about as useful and realistic as saying that alcoholics should just limit themselves to a couple of glasses of wine on the weekends, or that heroin addicts' troubles will be solved by not shooting up until after they get home from work.

Fats are addicted to high-reward foods--those combinations of salt, sugar, and fat that reliably give them the dopamine rush they yearn for. And yes, as part of dealing with their addiction and reversing the consequences of it, they need to abstain completely from those high-reward foods, and instead choose to eat all the perfectly good food that doesn't also light up the pleasure centers in their brains. But at the same time--or, hell, even before they make any dietary changes at all--they need to recognize that they are addicts, using food to give them the rush that they are, for whatever reason, unable to generate in healthy, constructive ways. Food addiction is a dietary issue, yes; but it is, first and foremost, a mental health issue.

Unfortunately, for most, this means intensive therapy with a competent therapist who specializes in addiction (because very few people are capable of the kind of introspection that allows them to free themselves from it). But finding a therapist, and getting insurance to cover it here in the US, is way out of reach for an awful lot of people. So it's easier for fats to just stay in their addiction, especially since there are no legal consequences for being a food addict, food addiction isn't even considered a real or serious thing by most people, and there are societal expectations that people will be tactful and kind toward fatties in a way they are not toward drunks and junkies.

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I FEEL LIKE A DISAPPOINTMENT

You know that saying, "Feelings are not facts"? I think we can safely disregard it, in this case.

 

[Tesshollidaysflupaknees]

You don't get to 300 pounds without some serious mental health issues.