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Iwasamwillbe said:
At least Captain Marvel is not being sexually objectified, so as not to please white male cisgender heterosexual alt-right dudebro man-piss-babies.

I mean, you can't be sexually objectified if you have no sexually appealing characteristics in the first place.

But seriously...what body shapes can a female character have before she's being sexually objectified?
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God, it seems like such a long, distant time since Carol Danvers actually looked like a woman.
 
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AnOminous said:
Could Archie do worse?
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A lot worse.
www.nydailynews.com

EXCLUSIVE: Archie Comics co-CEO accused of gender discrimination by male employees

Not even Sabrina the Teenage Witch could conjure this stuff up. The co-CEO of Archie Comics says she couldn’t have discriminated against her underlings — because they’re white men.
www.nydailynews.com www.nydailynews.com
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The book she is holding was published by IDW. :story:
 
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Comic's Best Sandwich said:
I thought they just ended their Transformers run when they threw Unicron at their failing sales.
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They even fucked that up by throwing Mags on a secondary story halfway through the series.

Also, with regards to Sonic, let’s not forget IDW’s plan for Sonic after getting the rights from Archie was to use the exact same creative team that was on the book when Archie lost the rights. A lot of big-brained individuals at that company apparently.
 
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MirrorNoir said:
Quesada really had a great deal of contempt for fans and for the Marvel Universe at the time of his ascension. He wanted a single, loser teenage Peter Parker, HATED Avengers and Thunderbolts (two books which were continuity heavy at the time), and basically really hated the X-Men having such a huge continuity lock-out with more characters than a daytime soap.
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Joe Quesada's legacy will ultimately be how his utter repugnant attitude rubbed off on industry professionals who no longer even attempt to hide their contempt for the customer. What we have is this triumphalism and arrogance where pinheads like Joey Q, C.B. Cebulski, and Tom Broovert fiddle while the industry burns. I have nothing but disdain for Dan DiDio and how he runs DC Comics, but he at least has the good sense to keep is worst impulses in check when in public.

As for the continuity lock-out, man, I started buying Marvel books in the mid-90s when it was at its worst with the knotted X-Men lore and the ongoing train wreck that was the Clone Saga in the Spider-Man books. However, it was the X-Men and Spider-Man animated series that got me interested. They introduced me to the various characters and condensed classic stories like "Days of Future Past" and "The Dark Phoenix Saga" into something palatable for a preteen like me. As long as I could recognize characters like Cyclops, Wolverine, etc. and the art by Joe Madureira caught my eye, I didn't give a damn about continuity.

I'm embarrassed to admit that I liked Ultimate Marvel when it first came out because I was a teenaged edge-lord who thought Mark Millar's cynical take on the characters was the best thing ever. (He seemed to be obsessed with what brand of toilet paper the characters used.) However, I grew up and saw it for the schlock it truly was. It's rather unfortunate that Quesada and crew never emotionally matured past adolescence. Marvel itself has become like high school where they are analogous to the "mean girls" clique where they love to gloat that they are the ones running the asylum.

What they fail to realize is that the comics have been growing increasingly irrelevant with the ascendency of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. While it is true that the MCU strip mines the comic lore for ideas to regurgitate for general audiences, fewer people recognize the comics as the "prime" canon and the MCU has--in fact--influenced the comics more than the other way around in recent years. By all means, they can sneer and gloat all they want, but it is exceedingly rare to even see comics on magazine racks at any retail outlet. Their shitty attitudes are driving long time fans away and their shittier business practices are forcing comic stores to close or change their business model because they can't sell the shoddy merchandise.

When the comics industry finally goes tits up, I will point the finger of blame squarely at Joe Quesada. The man who killed Marvel.
 
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LateNightComics said:
A lot worse.
www.nydailynews.com

EXCLUSIVE: Archie Comics co-CEO accused of gender discrimination by male employees

Not even Sabrina the Teenage Witch could conjure this stuff up. The co-CEO of Archie Comics says she couldn’t have discriminated against her underlings — because they’re white men.
www.nydailynews.com www.nydailynews.com
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The book she is holding was published by IDW. :story:
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The embattled co-CEO also mocked the five employees’ claim that she’d used her “gender as a weapon” by yelling, “Penis! Penis! Penis!” during a business meeting. (Xavier Mascare–as)
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This made me laugh, until I realized a male CEO yelling "Vagina! Vagina! Vagina!" at some sort of meeting would hardly have been a minor point of the story. Too bad MRAs can't keep their critique to reasonable stuff rather than zooming off to cloud-cuckoo land Vox Day tier nonsense. To a point, they kind of have a point.
 
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Jetpack Himmler said:
Joe Quesada's legacy will ultimately be how his utter repugnant attitude rubbed off on industry professionals who no longer even attempt to hide their contempt for the customer. What we have is this triumphalism and arrogance where pinheads like Joey Q, C.B. Cebulski, and Tom Broovert fiddle while the industry burns. I have nothing but disdain for Dan DiDio and how he runs DC Comics, but he at least has the good sense to keep is worst impulses in check when in public.

As for the continuity lock-out, man, I started buying Marvel books in the mid-90s when it was at its worst with the knotted X-Men lore and the ongoing train wreck that was the Clone Saga in the Spider-Man books. However, it was the X-Men and Spider-Man animated series that got me interested. They introduced me to the various characters and condensed classic stories like "Days of Future Past" and "The Dark Phoenix Saga" into something palatable for a preteen like me. As long as I could recognize characters like Cyclops, Wolverine, etc. and the art by Joe Madureira caught my eye, I didn't give a damn about continuity.

I'm embarrassed to admit that I liked Ultimate Marvel when it first came out because I was a teenaged edge-lord who thought Mark Millar's cynical take on the characters was the best thing ever. (He seemed to be obsessed with what brand of toilet paper the characters used.) However, I grew up and saw it for the schlock it truly was. It's rather unfortunate that Quesada and crew never emotionally matured past adolescence. Marvel itself has become like high school where they are analogous to the "mean girls" clique where they love to gloat that they are the ones running the asylum.

What they fail to realize is that the comics have been growing increasingly irrelevant with the ascendency of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. While it is true that the MCU strip mines the comic lore for ideas to regurgitate for general audiences, fewer people recognize the comics as the "prime" canon and the MCU has--in fact--influenced the comics more than the other way around in recent years. By all means, they can sneer and gloat all they want, but it is exceedingly rare to even see comics on magazine racks at any retail outlet. Their shitty attitudes are driving long time fans away and their shittier business practices are forcing comic stores to close or change their business model because they can't sell the shoddy merchandise.

When the comics industry finally goes tits up, I will point the finger of blame squarely at Joe Quesada. The man who killed Marvel.
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I still haven't forgiven him for Spider-Man: One More Day.
Whenever I played Marvel: Ultimate Alliance and went to Mephisto's Realm, I would joke that I was entering the Quesadilla Man's office.
Furthermore, I remember when fans thought Dan Slott would fix the mess that cheese-fest left in his wake.
Instead, he became the embodiment of this meme:
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I can't believe it has taken over 10 years, 10 FREAKIN' YEARS, to finally undo some of the damage caused by Quesadilla!
I hope he never touches a franchise ever again!
 
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5t3n0g0ph3r said:
Furthermore, I remember when fans thought Dan Slott would fix the mess that cheese-fest left in his wake.
Instead, he became the embodiment of this meme:
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How far back are you going for that meme? I thought Dan Slott was known for being a dick on messageboards since sometime in the 2000s. At least that's what i picked up when hearing Doug Ernst talk about him.
 
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Detrogen said:
Also, with regards to Sonic, let’s not forget IDW’s plan for Sonic after getting the rights from Archie was to use the exact same creative team that was on the book when Archie lost the rights. A lot of big-brained individuals at that company apparently.
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Now to be fair, they weren't the reason Archie lost the license. I can't blame Ian even if he is a soyboy and the people actually drawing the comic because Archie doesn't know how to properly store a contract from the 90's. They couldn't possibly predict that Penders would honestly claim ownership over very original characters such as, Evil Sonic(Fuck you Penders, Scourge was actually ok under Ian) and Robo Robotnik
 
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Our boy @LateNightComics got a shout out on EVS's stream last night.

Threats of murder? FBI involvement? :story:

Here's the timestamp, unless I screwed it up. (Which I probably did.)


anymore except for Star Wars Celebration
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Billy when people throw at me great if
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you go to know that well people also
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threaten to kill you want to kill you at
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a comic convention you know so why you
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know same thing with me I got that guy
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that's right to kill me yeah and my wife
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his name was what the name of it right
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there he's kicked off of Twitter yeah
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yeah it's late night comics or something
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like that maniac because a weirdo yeah
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and you had the threats and against you
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too and that which was so crazy yeah
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who's that and I and I sent the tweet
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out as a thank you literally to the FBI
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and it was one of your fans I think who
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pointed it out and notified the FBI
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about and they showed up and they're
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like yeah there was a threat that we
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take very seriously and I sat down they
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were in my house for an hour asking me
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everything and about it and they're like
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why and I'm like I don't know I said the
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Detrogen said:
They even fucked that up by throwing Mags on a secondary story halfway through the series.

Also, with regards to Sonic, let’s not forget IDW’s plan for Sonic after getting the rights from Archie was to use the exact same creative team that was on the book when Archie lost the rights. A lot of big-brained individuals at that company apparently.
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It wouldn't have been so bad, I think, if they hadn't been forced to violently truncate the storylines (because the comic was suddenly ending). You could practically see the dangling plot threads and jagged edges where they'd patched things together.

I'll be honest, I liked Roberts' run, if only for this gem:
Megatron said:
(after being told Brainstorm is a time traveler)
"This conversation is ridiculous. You are ridiculous. Everything that's happened in the last few days is intensely ridiculous. Six months into this shambles of a quest—six months!—and not a day goes by—not an hour—when I don't have to stand back from this endless parade of nonsense and remind myself, by means of several blows to the head, that I am here of my own volition, and not as a result of some—some elaborate trapset by Optimus Prime. Why bother looking for the Knights of Cybertron? Why postpone my trial? I've already been convicted—and this is my punishment. You! This ship! This life!"
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Jub-Jub said:
How far back are you going for that meme? I thought Dan Slott was known for being a dick on messageboards since sometime in the 2000s. At least that's what i picked up when hearing Doug Ernst talk about him.
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Yeah, but I did not hear about them until 2013. There was a brief honeymoon period between 2009 and 2010 where I saw people speaking glowingly of Slott's Big Time arc in Spider-Man, then he just trolled everyone right until the end of his run with ASM.
 
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