Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[TheWhiteRabbit]

Almost every DS kid I saw growing up was very low functioning. The worst was my staunch Catholic neighbors with 7 kids had a boy with DS who was a few years younger than me. He’s always been non verbal, can’t do anything by himself even including everyday functions like using the bathroom, eating, or brushing his teeth. The worst part is that he’s always been violent & very strong. He’d slap, kick, pinch, pull hair, etc then add insult to injury by spitting in your face. He was never reprimanded since they knew there wasn’t a chance of him understanding. When he was a teenager, his dad was diagnosed with a terminal brain tumor that made him deteriorate very quickly. It was like a revolving door for caretakers as it was impossible for them to tend to the dying father while trying to maintain the DS son. None of the 6 siblings would ever admit it, but I know they resented their brother’s presence & how much care he required. After the father died, the other kids started moving out of state one by one. The mom does her best to take care of him on her own now & to my knowledge, the other kids haven’t visited in years. Seeing the toll his life has taken on their family is what made me believe Iceland is doing the right thing by choosing termination 98% of the time DS is diagnosed during a pregnancy. The image of the chubby, cute little Downs kid who’s always happy & slow but still well functioning is definitely the exception.

 

[Dysnomia]

Almost every DS kid I saw growing up was very low functioning. The worst was my staunch Catholic neighbors with 7 kids had a boy with DS who was a few years younger than me. He’s always been non verbal, can’t do anything by himself even including everyday functions like using the bathroom, eating, or brushing his teeth. The worst part is that he’s always been violent & very strong. He’d slap, kick, pinch, pull hair, etc then add insult to injury by spitting in your face. He was never reprimanded since they knew there wasn’t a chance of him understanding. When he was a teenager, his dad was diagnosed with a terminal brain tumor that made him deteriorate very quickly. It was like a revolving door for caretakers as it was impossible for them to tend to the dying father while trying to maintain the DS son. None of the 6 siblings would ever admit it, but I know they resented their brother’s presence & how much care he required. After the father died, the other kids started moving out of state one by one. The mom does her best to take care of him on her own now & to my knowledge, the other kids haven’t visited in years. Seeing the toll his life has taken on their family is what made me believe Iceland is doing the right thing by choosing termination 98% of the time DS is diagnosed during a pregnancy. The image of the chubby, cute little Downs kid who’s always happy & slow but still well functioning is definitely the exception.

I would not carry one to term. I just cannot handle it.

I don't know if I posted it in this thread, but when my mom was having my brother in the early 80s there was a couple who had a baby with Downs Syndrome. Apparently it was a huge surprise to them and they did not want the baby so they left her at the hospital. The way my mom heard it they just plain didn't want to deal with it and were far from poor so money was not the issue. I often wonder where she is now.

Some Downs advocates have equated better testing to genocide. But syndromes like this are abnormalities not variations of normal. If you want to pust the idea that mental r.etardation is A-OK and parents should continue defective pregnancies then maybe you should also be committed to supporting these children. It's the same with pro-life crazies. I'd love to ask them how many unwanted babies they have adopted.

 

[TheWhiteRabbit]

On behalf of World Down Syndrome Day, may God bless Iceland!

 

[Fliddaroonie]

I would not carry one to term. I just cannot handle it.


Some Downs advocates have equated better testing to genocide. But syndromes like this are abnormalities not variations of normal. If you want to pust the idea that mental r.etardation is A-OK and parents should continue defective pregnancies then maybe you should also be committed to supporting these children. It's the same with pro-life crazies. I'd love to ask them how many unwanted babies they have adopted.

I went through this all a few years back. Was carrying a baby with a life-limiting condition (not Down's, and there was a high chance it would have died shortly after birth, but not guarantee, so I chose to fetus deletus). It's not genocide, it's minimising suffering. The reality is that a lot of disabled people do suffer, and I've heard more than one say they wish they had never been born.

We're not talking about gassing or murdering. We're not talking about lining them up and shooting them. We're talking about abortion pre birth to minimise the suffering of a person, and of their parents. Prolifers fetishize this shit but none of them want to take on a brainless potato baby, they want other people to deal with the nasty reality and slap themselves on the back

 

[John Merston]

At the height of the Alfie Evans shitstorm, a nice lady from Kansas named Robbie Kramer decided to show her solidarity with little Alfie's family by sharing the story of her son Keith who was born with a similar condition. The insane part is that she has kept her precious miracle child in this hell for 26 years-so long that his bones have literally turned to gelatin from being immobile. Naturally, she desperately tries to convince her audience that her son is totally alright mentally and not merely a human-shaped plant. What's really EXCEPTIONAL is that she expected her story would convince those against saving Alfie to change their minds by showing what would be in store for him if he was allowed to live. Lady, that's like trying to convince someone to take up smoking by showing them pictures of lung cancer.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

At the height of the Alfie Evans shitstorm, a nice lady from Kansas named Robbie Kramer decided to show her solidarity with little Alfie's family by sharing the story of her son Keith who was born with a similar condition. The insane part is that she has kept her precious miracle child in this hell for 26 years-so long that his bones have literally turned to gelatin from being immobile. Naturally, she desperately tries to convince her audience that her son is totally alright mentally and not merely a human-shaped plant. What's really EXCEPTIONAL is that she expected her story would convince those against saving Alfie to change their minds by showing what would be in store for him if he was allowed to live. Lady, that's like trying to convince someone to take up smoking by showing them pictures of lung cancer.

If I were of a religious bent I would hope for a special sort of hell for "people" like her

 

[feelingabitemu]

I've never understood why, with the miracle of life being so precious, someone could be so cruel as to make their child endure a shadow life. Especially when they know, before it has even taken a breath, that their life is going to be severely limited with no hope of independent living. I know part of it is desperation to have your child live, to hope for a miracle (particularly when you throw religion into the mix(but it's just so incredibly selfish and cruel. When the biblical teachings they live by were being crafted such children would not have survived, they would have been viewed as punishments not blessings. There would be nothing to celebrate, only to mourn the loss of the child that could have been.

The slim glimmer of hope is that some of these children have no idea what is going on as they're just sacks of flesh being kept alive by machines and parental desperation.

There's no point in giving a child life, if they cannot live.

 

[AbraCadaver]

If I were of a religious bent I would hope for a special sort of hell for "people" like her

The poor kid is lying unconscious on a bed in a room where every wall is covered in creepy religious shrines, paintings, portraits, scripture quotes, crucifixes etc, all pointed at him. With a little shadowy lighting this is basically act two of a supernatural possession movie.

Jokes aside it’s terrible this woman has built essentially a religious shrine to a living saint or martyr inside the center of her home, It’s sad and creepy. Her life has revolved around this for over twenty years. If this were a third world country and his bed were covered in flowers and food offerings everyone would call it crazy woo and to let the poor boy die in peace. But when it’s done in this fashion, everyone calls the mother brave and godly. I understand not wanting to let a loved one go, but this is just unhealthy.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

At the height of the Alfie Evans shitstorm, a nice lady from Kansas named Robbie Kramer decided to show her solidarity with little Alfie's family by sharing the story of her son Keith who was born with a similar condition. The insane part is that she has kept her precious miracle child in this hell for 26 years-so long that his bones have literally turned to gelatin from being immobile. Naturally, she desperately tries to convince her audience that her son is totally alright mentally and not merely a human-shaped plant. What's really EXCEPTIONAL is that she expected her story would convince those against saving Alfie to change their minds by showing what would be in store for him if he was allowed to live. Lady, that's like trying to convince someone to take up smoking by showing them pictures of lung cancer.

In some passive-aggressive way, one she’s probably not even fully aware of, I think this Kansas lady was lending credence to the reason why Alfie needed taken off the machines. The way she lists off all the things he can’t do (obviously everything but she’s very specific about it!), bones into jello and “hello there $15k machine that must even cough for Keith!” and he must be turned every 45 minutes to prevent bed sores? Truly we are blessed.

Kansas lady brain has been broken by her son’s tragic demise and the twenty five years of caretaking since then. She has thrown herself deeply into religion to soothe the sorrow and give her sacrifice meaning. But that video definitely had an dark vibe of “is this really the future you want for any one?” herself included.

 

[John Merston]

Re: anencephaly: I found this hot take from a fundie website.

Brazilian Anencephalic Baby Shatters Pro-Abortion Myths
After a year and a half of life, smiles, cries when mother is away, responds to sounds

Although she was born without most of her brain, Marcela Ferreira has lived for a year and a half with little extraordinary care. She receives oxygen supplementation and eats through a feeding tube inserted through her nose, but otherwise lives normally. She interacts with family members and shows signs of consciousness. Her presence is a joy for all.

Abortion advocates promote several fallacies about anencephaly. The first and most obvious error, similar to the previous one, is that anencephalic infants are not viable outside of the womb. However they can, and do, survive for weeks, months, even years after birth. What may be the longest-living anencephalic baby, "Baby K", lived two and a half years in the United States, dying in 1995.

What the AMA is acknowledging is that a certain percentage of babies discarded in the waste disposal of the abortion clinic as "anencephalic" will not be sufferers of the disease at all. However, the report calls the risk "insignificant".

What may be the most devastating error regarding anencephaly is the notion that sufferers cannot possibly have consciousness because the parts of the brain in which thinking occurs are absent. In reality, medical science has shown that a process known as neuroplasticity can "rewire" brain cells to change their function and compensate for the loss of other cells.

"The neuroplasticity of the brain stem could be sufficient to guarantee to the anencephalic infant, at least in the least serious cases, a certain primitive possibility of conscience," the Committee wrote in its 1996 report, "The Anencephalic Neonate and Organ Donation".

Undoubtedly, they're thinking about people like Carlos Rodriguez who are still walking and talking despite having lost a huge chunk of their brains.

The problem with that line of reasoning is that in order for the nervous system to move functions from one part to another, it first has to develop those functions in the first place-which is not possible if the part where those functions originate never develops.

Just another example of fundies trying to use a concept they don't understand to promote their anti-science crusade.

 

[Dysnomia]

At the height of the Alfie Evans shitstorm, a nice lady from Kansas named Robbie Kramer decided to show her solidarity with little Alfie's family by sharing the story of her son Keith who was born with a similar condition. The insane part is that she has kept her precious miracle child in this hell for 26 years-so long that his bones have literally turned to gelatin from being immobile. Naturally, she desperately tries to convince her audience that her son is totally alright mentally and not merely a human-shaped plant. What's really EXCEPTIONAL is that she expected her story would convince those against saving Alfie to change their minds by showing what would be in store for him if he was allowed to live. Lady, that's like trying to convince someone to take up smoking by showing them pictures of lung cancer.

This woman is so delusional that it's sad. She puts the TV on for Keith. Lady, he's a potato. He doesn't know what the hell TV is and he doesn't care. He can't care about anything. He's a potato.

She says he can hear. Well maybe his ears work. But his brain is probably as gelatinous as his bones and he cannot process any auditory stimuli.

She also claims that Keith can pray. When he prays good things happen. I guess she should start petitioning for sainthood on his behalf.

So many mothers of severely disabled children seem to think that their little spud has a direct line to God. You know, the same God that saw fit to trap them in broken bodies with messed up brains, horrible deformities, never ending illnesses ect...

Maybe it's their way of reconciling the fact that the God they love so much handed them a box of Idahoan instead of a normal baby.

Imagine all your friends are having normal, healthy children. Then you give birth to a Hartley Hooligan or a a gelatinous shell like Keith. You miss out on all of the normal stuff while caring for something that doesn't even have the mental capacity or physical ability to roll over. Your frinds are at the park with their kids and you are busy at home turning your invalid vegetable while trying to pretend he likes watching TV.

Then it gets worse if you have normal kids. All of the attention has to be on the potato or it will die. There's no normal life to be had since everything revolves around carrying for the potato 24/7. You score a home run or get an A on a difficult test and it is overshadowed because the potato farted on its own today and that is the biggest accomplishment of its life. When you get older you get stuck potatositting and you resent it so much that you can't stand it. But you can't really say anything because it would hurt the family and you might get berated and called selfish.

I have a book of short stories by A.M. Homes, The Safety of Objects. One of the stories, Esther in the Night, is about a woman whose son was in a car accident. He is now a vegetable being cared for at home. The family resents his existence and his sister wishes he were dead. So one night Esther cuts off his oxygen supply and lets him die. To set everyone free.

So I have to wonder how common such a fantasy is in these cases. I think there are a lot of people who would never admit that their lil' veggie is better off dead.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I see very little moral difference between keeping Keith around and Jahi McMath.

What's worse, though?

• 100% potato, or
• extremely violent autistic

 

[MysticMisty]

Re: anencephaly: I found this hot take from a fundie website.

Undoubtedly, they're thinking about people like Carlos Rodriguez who are still walking and talking despite having lost a huge chunk of their brains.

The problem with that line of reasoning is that in order for the nervous system to move functions from one part to another, it first has to develop those functions in the first place-which is not possible if the part where those functions originate never develops.

Just another example of fundies trying to use a concept they don't understand to promote their anti-science crusade.

I have a very hard time believing this to be true. Jaxon Buell is barely a step above anencephaly and is incapable of anything described. Hell, the Hartley girls have/had severe microcephaly and can't do that shit either. They're either lying about the kid having anencephaly or lying (misinterpreting at best) about what it can do.

 

[John Merston]

I have a very hard time believing this to be true. Jaxon Buell is barely a step above anencephaly and is incapable of anything described. Hell, the Hartley girls have/had severe microcephaly and can't do that shit either. They're either lying about the kid having anencephaly or lying (misinterpreting at best) about what it can do.

Of course, the "interactions" with the family are probably nothing more than spinal reflexes. The parents obviously have no knowledge of biology so it's easy for them to interpret their baby's twitches as "Hallelujah, our baby has some awareness after all-PRAISE JESUS!".

 

[Quieres?]

Has this nightmare been posted yet?

 

[ricecake]

Has this nightmare been posted yet?

THIS is why I will not have a child. You can't tell it's going to end up like that while you can still slice and dice and vacuum it out. I'd Sylvia Plath my way out of that living nightmare.

 

[lamp shade]

Has this nightmare been posted yet?

What a precious miracle, praise jesus.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Has this nightmare been posted yet?

In 2014 she got him into a group home, so there is that.

 

[MysticMisty]

Has this nightmare been posted yet?

The part that always gets me is when she says no one can control him as well as she does, after showing all these holes in the wall and talking about how he can destroy the house in about ten minutes.

 

[AnOminous]

The part that always gets me is when she says no one can control him as well as she does, after showing all these holes in the wall and talking about how he can destroy the house in about ten minutes.

Apparently the tard experts could.