Knowing what you know today, would you shut down the world in this situation?

[RG 448]

I like air conditioning and tv so no, and anyone who says they feel otherwise is lying.

 

[Vorhtbame]

It's always existed, but it's never existed to this extent. We can verify this is not just purely a matter of better documentation, by looking at the rising suicide rates. The demographic most impacted by these rising suicide rates, are white males, and white males are largely the ones checking out of society.

There is nothing in the least wrong with white men; what is wrong, is a bad environment. The medical community just applies an "illness" label to even normal human behavior (see, for instance, the overdiagnosis of ADHD in children) because that's the only tool they have--and a lot of them are tools themselves, so overdiagnosis it is.

 

[nagant 1895]

If it all falls down a hundred years from now, a person can have descendants to four generations in that time, and many will survive. But if you push the button today, you will probably kill their only heir and end the line entirely.



Hardest hit by pushing the button: first-world countries, which contribute to these things least, as we have developed these technologies so as to avoid doing them.
Relatively untouched by the button: developing and underdeveloped nations, which account for the extreme majority of these problems you mention.

It amazes me how hard you work against the solutions to the problems that worry you most.

You make a good case and you've given me cause to reflect. You're right about deforestation being mostly a problem for third worlders but the green house gas emissions question boils down to is china 1st or 3rd world ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions ) I guess I'll need to do some research on how dependent different economies are on the kinds of technology vulnerable to EMP before I hit the button.

 

[nagant 1895]

There is nothing in the least wrong with white men; what is wrong, is a bad environment. The medical community just applies an "illness" label to even normal human behavior (see, for instance, the overdiagnosis of ADHD in children) because that's the only tool they have--and a lot of them are tools themselves, so overdiagnosis it is.

Agreed. People aren't sick its the society, it's the environment.

 

[mr.moon1488]

There is nothing in the least wrong with white men; what is wrong, is a bad environment. The medical community just applies an "illness" label to even normal human behavior (see, for instance, the overdiagnosis of ADHD in children) because that's the only tool they have--and a lot of them are tools themselves, so overdiagnosis it is.

Well, I'll agree with you that the medical community is garbage when it comes to dealing with psychological issues. They seldom refer patients to psychologists, and most of the time when they do, they refer them to ones whom are just going to check in the box their initial diagnosis, even if that diagnosis is clearly wrong. However, there is a rising suicide rate among white males, and that is not something which can simply be chalked up to over diagnosing mental illness for obvious reasons.

On to your point about a bad environment, I think much of that has to do with the current political tolerance for attacks on white males, but I think that, that tolerance stems from an apathy created by modern comforts. It was said in jest, but someone here said "why do I care what happens in 100 years?" While I hate to derive anything from Marx (not really, he stole the concept from earlier philosophers), I think in many ways people are over dependent on technology, and this has acted as an opiate.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

Well, I'll agree with you that the medical community is garbage when it comes to dealing with psychological issues. They seldom refer patients to psychologists, and most of the time when they do, they refer them to ones whom are just going to check in the box their initial diagnosis, even if that diagnosis is clearly wrong. However, there is a rising suicide rate among white males, and that is not something which can simply be chalked up to over diagnosing mental illness for obvious reasons.

On to your point about a bad environment, I think much of that has to do with the current political tolerance for attacks on white males, but I think that, that tolerance stems from an apathy created by modern comforts. It was said in jest, but someone here said "why do I care what happens in 100 years?" While I hate to derive anything from Marx (not really, he stole the concept from earlier philosophers), I think in many ways people are over dependent on technology, and this has acted as an opiate.

Call me an autistic simpleton if you must, but I'd rather be subdued by the opiate of technology at least giving me the illusion of enjoying myself than be some Luddite shoveling pig shit not knowing where my next meal is coming from because that allegedly has more "meaning"

 

[RG 448]

Agreed. People aren't sick its the society, it's the environment.

Just fyi, i know from experience that if you pitch that reasoning to a jury, you’ll end up with a breathalyzer attached to your car’s ignition and the medical bills of three and a half prostitutes.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Call me an autistic simpleton if you must, but I'd rather be subdued by the opiate of technology at least giving me the illusion of enjoying myself than be some Luddite shoveling pig shit not knowing where my next meal is coming from because that allegedly has more "meaning"

Not arguing that living as a luddite has more meaning. I'm arguing that if you find no meaning in living, you're not really living. I'm just saying that people are using modern technology to block out problems, rather than fixing them. It's akin to taking painkillers endlessly for a broken leg, but never bothering to fix the break.

 

[nagant 1895]

Just fyi, i know from experience that if you pitch that reasoning to a jury, you’ll end up with a breathing tube attached to your car’s ignition and the medical bills of three and a half prostitutes.

I don't doubt you.

 

[Vorhtbame]

On to your point about a bad environment, I think much of that has to do with the current political tolerance for attacks on white males, but I think that, that tolerance stems from an apathy created by modern comforts.

I'm of the opinion that that "tolerance" is due to a direct agenda to wrest control of society away from John Q. Citizen and keep it squarely in the hands of a Chosen Few aristocrats; white men's tendency to do extremely well in the JQC model just makes them more of a target for destruction, a roadblock to the agenda, though we're seeing it expand lately to anyone who demonstrates a lack of dependency on the Chosen Few.

That said, I agree with what you say. It's easy to forget that the people you hate are human, especially when you never see them face-to-face, and social media all but guarantees that. What can solve it? I don't know yet. I do know that there's no magic button, though!

 

[mr.moon1488]

I'm of the opinion that that "tolerance" is due to a direct agenda to wrest control of society away from John Q. Citizen and keep it squarely in the hands of a Chosen Few aristocrats; white men's tendency to do extremely well in the JQC model just makes them more of a target for destruction, a roadblock to the agenda, though we're seeing it expand lately to anyone who demonstrates a lack of dependency on the Chosen Few.

That said, I agree with what you say. It's easy to forget that the people you hate are human, especially when you never see them face-to-face, and social media all but guarantees that. What can solve it? I don't know yet. I do know that there's no magic button, though!

Well, the magical button was meant more as a measuring stick to see how far one would be willing to go. Personally, as things are now, I'd likely press the button because I feel like the long term benefits would outweigh the short term suffering. I feel like if people broke out of their current state long enough to understand that the woes of today, are not just part and parcel to modern living, they would be more willing to address those problems. In short, I think people can have their cake, and eat it too, but they've been brainwashed into thinking that they can't.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Doesn't this imply then that our society has become weaker, and people have just failed to notice it?

An Egyptian architect wouldn't likely survive in the path of a peasant uprising over famine, so no.

 

[nagant 1895]

An Egyptian architect wouldn't likely survive in the path of a peasant uprising over famine, so no.

I think turning off all the electronics is going to play out differently than a revolt or uprising. The architect in either era is probably a member of the upper to middle class and would be more likely to run afoul of revolutionaries. I think given population size and density of current year it would be starvation and contagion that got most of us. Disease is pretty indiscriminate and starvation would preferentially hurt those who lacked the ability or willingness to contribute. The question then becomes "contribute how and to what?" I don't have an answer as to how it would play out but I think without electronics people would find themselves suddenly quite a bit more free to decide to what end their efforts are directed.

Spoiler: personal thoughts on history.

The degree to which the average citizen is is valuable to a state rises and falls with his or her ability to sustain that states monopoly on power. In Athens most men could row and so most men could vote. In the feudal era most men would get their shit pushed in by knights and mercenaries so they got treated like shit. In the early modern and modern era most men could be drilled to carry a gun and we saw a blossoming of freedom. Of course if a man or woman could contribute financially they might also have their needs tended to as well or better than the soldiery. In the nuclear era there are precious few people needed to prop up a government and I think we'll see a continual decline of freedoms and a similar reduction in the standards of living available to average joes/janes. Nobody really wants to launch a nuke to put down a secession so they try to head it off with bread and circuses and encourage media attacks on those most reactive to having their freedoms impinged on.

 

[RG 448]

I don't doubt you.

Addendum: “This wouldn’t have happened if they hadn’t kicked me out of my nephew’s bar mitzvah before I could sober up” doesn’t fly either.

 

[Wendy Carter]

Are you trying to appropriate (((their))) culture, goyim? Only the great nation of Israel can shut things down.

 

[Clop]

Nah. Humanity evolves through this dumb shit, resetting it isn't going to do any good. Shit is gradually getting better despite the surges of plain 'tarded groups. Sure I might get completely fucked by the system that's not equipped to deal, but I'm not exactly a life worth throwing a hissy fit over. A hundred years ago my shit would've been cooked worse and the next guy coming along is going to get an even tastier shit sandwich. Life is slow.

 

[SmileyTimeDayCare]

Why, or why not? I think I would honestly. A lot of shit would suck, but it seems like the world really needs a hard reset.

Are you fucking kidding me? The dumpster fire we're about to see is going to be the most amazing shit ever.

How long do you think people in the UK are going to allow the Islam horde to invade? Germany? How much powerlessness and rape of their culture can a people take?

Trump 2020? Win, lose or draw everyone is coming out looking like an absolute piece of shit.

China is just a treasure trove of disaster waiting to happen!

Iran is ripe for revolt.

And there is so much more!

No sir this is a great time to be alive.

 

[エリス]

If I press the button I set humanity back 500 years?
Can I press it more than once?

 

[Randall Fragg]

Hundo P yes. And not just to put a stop to degradation but to return people to a world where our actions and abilities have meaning and value. It makes me sick knowing that thousands of man hours a month are dedicated to choosing, photographing and reporting on Kim Kardashians choice of clothing. Not because I hate her or the people with so little going on in their lives they care about her but because I hate I hate the void inside them, I hate the creators of that void. I would gladly give up everything to see a world where nobody had room for that sort of thing in their lives.

What you’re saying is that your name is Not Important, and what’s important is what you’re going to do?

Why, or why not? I think I would honestly. A lot of shit would suck, but it seems like the world really needs a hard reset.

You are both idiots. A 'hard reset' would be one of the biggest disasters in human history, and one that is likely to be permanent.
The Green Revolution which has enabled modern population growth is dependent on oil-based fertilizers, pesticides, machinery, and complex irrigation systems. A 'hard reset' would wipe all of that out, meaning that the basic production of food would be set back to a middle ages level, i.e. not enough to support the current world population in any meaningful capacity. That's just the basic production of food, not to mention the chains of logistics needed to transport food to centers of population, keep it from spoiling, and so forth.
Of course, the cities would be evacuating long before food ran out. The sewage systems and water supplies would quickly fail, leading to rampant disease and dehydration. In winter, people would burn anything they can in an attempt to stave off the cold. That is, if the city lasts that long.
Heavily industrialized would be deathtraps. The safety features in things like oil refineries, chemical plants, and nuclear reactors would fail, and they would fail hard. Chemical blights, massive infernos, and uncontained Chernobyls would happen world-wide.
As starving people fan out into the countryside, a massive ecological disaster begins. Forests would be stripped as people desperately search for food and fuel. Mass extinctions due to overhunting would ensue.
The mass die-off would go on for years, as diseases which were once easily treatable run rampant through the population. Many would die or degenerate due to lack of simple practical knowledge. Do you know how to smelt metal? Treat wounds? Tell toxic plants from edible ones? Process drinking water? Many people have lost these skills simply due to them not being relevant. The deaths due to this would be most prevalent in 1st world countries, and least prevalent in the 3rd world. In fact, the third world is the most likely to come out with the most people alive, meaning that 'western' value such as human rights, rule of law, and democratic rule is likely to be forgotten in favor of tribalism, religious rule, and autocracy.
'Recovery', if it ever comes, would be extremely difficult. Most specialists, the ones who know how to process chemicals, create a motor, or do the various things needed for an advanced society to develop will die. And when you live hand to mouth, it's difficult to look through the surviving books (the ones that people had the foresight to save from being burned as fuel) and learn how the old technology works. Hell, how much of the first generation post-collapse is going to be literate? And even if they can read, how well could they understand a technical manual, a chemistry text-book, or a medical text? And how many of those books are going to survive the ravages of rot and decay, or be spared from being used as fuel by some survivor?
These problems would only be magnified the more time goes on. Books will decay, and if no one knows how to make paper, ink, or vellum to transcribe those books, or has the time to devote to copying down the old texts, the knowledge in them will be lost, potentially forever.
Now, even if there is some Order of St Lebowitz out there which preserves a large cache of knowledge, there is another crises on the horizon. The threat of lack of fuel. The basis of the industrial revolution was easy access to fuel in the form of coal. Coal is also vital to the production of steel, which is the backbone of industrial society. While coal and oil are still plentiful in the modern world, extracting them is increasingly reliant on technology such as fracking. Depending on how much easily-accessed fuel has been used, there's a significant possibility that there will be no industrial revolution, because the coal and oil needed to make and run the machinery is too deep to be easily accessed. Humanity may end up permanently stuck at a pre-industrial level, even if they still possess the knowledge of how to industrialize.
All because you're an angry sperg whose mad at trannies and sandniggers.

 

[AP 297]

Personally, I would love a button that could force the entire world at once to be propelled forward technologically 500 years in a single moment.

Imagine all the "important" fights we have going on right now suddenly rendered moot by technology that completely transcends all that we currently know. AI would pretty much have to rule us at that point, but really I think they would do a great job.

I for one welcome our new Artifically Intelligent Overlords!