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OldAmishRenegade said:
I really doubt it was a sex joke, I think it was a dumb dad joke that was taken the wrong way by someone looking for an excuse to be offended.
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Jesus, it's a good thing he didn't flick the jellybean!

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beardium said:
Can someone tell nick's email to this person ? https://twitter.com/xMugenYoruichix/status/1118022588343537664

I don't know nick's email and the one on youtube's about me page doesn't seem to be correct.
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Oof, that twitter account pic/bio...
 
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Questioning_Huggers said:
I usually try not to judge a book by it's cover, but I'm having a very hard time imagining that that person has anything useful to add to either Vic or Todd's case.
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Agreed. Remember the last person from outta the blue that was atting Ty and Nick. He turned out to be a little bitch just like all the other kickvicers.
 
GethN7 said:
You have to be kidding on the jellybean thing.

That's not just spiteful, it's utterly insane.

It was obviously a fucking joke at the time, you can;t call it something else later when it was always intended to be a harmless joke that Rial herself was in on at time.
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It's a joke, it's spiteful, and it's stupid.

But it's also the kind of thing I would never say to a coworker specifically because as a man I have to acknowledge that females are given special treatment specifically because if they have a squirrel brain freakout about it, HR -- usually staffed by fellow squirrel brains -- is going to punish me just to avoid the impression that they're not giving special treatment to the squirrel brains. And because, as a man, I'm probably professional enough not to cause a stink if I'm fired whereas the Squrrel Brain might cause a multi-year lawsuit if she's not catered to.

Is it job ending? Probably not. Does it look bad? To PULL and other Squirrel Brains, oh yes, it's 100% proof that he was an evil evil guilty person because he dared exist in their presence without permission, which is a capital offense and a sin against god[dess] (themselves).

And similarly, to those that have been conditioned to avoid causing Squirrel Brains to fire off, yeah, that's a flinch and "ya shouldn't have said that" moment, with "hope she doesn't choose to destroy you later" usually left unspoken.

Wanna know how to be conditioned to avoid causing Squirrel Brains to fire off? Take a company mandated "Anti-Harassment," "Inclusion," or "Diversity" course.
 
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HTTP Error 404 said:
But it's also the kind of thing I would never say to a coworker specifically because as a man I have to acknowledge that females are given special treatment specifically because if they have a squirrel brain freakout about it, HR -- usually staffed by fellow squirrel brains -- is going to punish me just to avoid the impression that they're not giving special treatment to the squirrel brains.
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People act differently when they think they're among friends.

If there's anything that is the most repulsive thing about SJWs it is turning society into something like East Germany with neighbors ratting each other out in the slimiest way to score the most meager and pathetic of points. These people give up anything resembling humanity for their shitty woke points.
 
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AnOminous said:
People act differently when they think they're among friends.

If there's anything that is the most repulsive thing about SJWs it is turning society into something like East Germany with neighbors ratting each other out in the slimiest way to score the most meager and pathetic of points. These people give up anything resembling humanity for their shitty woke points.
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It's like they want to live in North Korea where every week you have to go to your work union and confess something that you did, and everyone there has to acknowledge your guilt and condemn you for it. This is the future they choose.
 
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HTTP Error 404 said:
It's a joke, it's spiteful, and it's stupid.

But it's also the kind of thing I would never say to a coworker specifically because as a man I have to acknowledge that females are given special treatment specifically because if they have a squirrel brain freakout about it, HR -- usually staffed by fellow squirrel brains -- is going to punish me just to avoid the impression that they're not giving special treatment to the squirrel brains. And because, as a man, I'm probably professional enough not to cause a stink if I'm fired whereas the Squrrel Brain might cause a multi-year lawsuit if she's not catered to.

Is it job ending? Probably not. Does it look bad? To PULL and other Squirrel Brains, oh yes, it's 100% proof that he was an evil evil guilty person because he dared exist in their presence without permission, which is a capital offense and a sin against god[dess] (themselves).

And similarly, to those that have been conditioned to avoid causing Squirrel Brains to fire off, yeah, that's a flinch and "ya shouldn't have said that" moment, with "hope she doesn't choose to destroy you later" usually left unspoken.

Wanna know how to be conditioned to avoid causing Squirrel Brains to fire off? Take a company mandated "Anti-Harassment," "Inclusion," or "Diversity" course.
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I'm sorry, but this is just a bad response and it sounds like you're just making excuses for being too afraid of confrontation to do anything. I vehemently disagree with Drexel's similar rhetoric, as well. You don't fix things by capitulating, by walking on eggshells and then making derogatory comments about women on the internet. You don't solve this situation by avoiding women, getting signed consent cards, or any of that, because all you're doing is backing off, giving more ground, and giving up more power. Do you think that women can't and won't spin the notarized consent or filmed consent with 'he blackmailed me beforehand' or other claims? That they won't continue to push for retroactive nonconsent so that it's irrelevant if they consented at the time? Do you think it'd even get that far, when their response to the stupid four-handed condom is to get enraged and claim it blames women for rape?

If you want avoid 'squirrel brains' and being fired over winking at a girl when you throw her a hershey's kiss, then you need to do the opposite. Do like Vic is. Don't change how you behave. Make it clear your intention isn't what they're claiming, and then force them to face up to the law while the law is still on your side. Capitulating and running away from women is literally just conditioning people who are sympathetic to you to think 'women can get away with anything, they'll always be believed, there's no use in fighting'. and that is just fostering the concept that if a woman says something it's just accepted that she's to be believed.

Vic didn't do anything wrong in the jellybean story (except eating a bean with marker on it, gross), and I refuse to bow down to the concept that he did. Even if we strip the context of their previous close friendship/flirtatious relationship (evidenced by every video and picture of them ever), he did nothing wrong. The only one in the wrong is Monica for trying to twist innocent interaction into something sinister, and she's about to get sued hard for that. As she rightly should.
 
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School of Fish said:
So Funimation were snakes then like they are now.

Do you know the story of 'The Scorpion and the Frog'? It's an old Russian fable about a scorpion that asks a frog to give him a ride across a river. At first the frog was hesitant to accept the scorpion's request because the frog was afraid that the scorpion will sting him and kill him along the way. But the scorpion argued that he wouldn't sting him because if he did then they both would drown. So the frog gives the scorpion a ride. But as they make it halfway across the river, the scorpion then stings the frog with its venom. As the frog begins to die and lose consciousness the frog asks the scorpion why he stung him and the scorpion replied, "I couldn't help it. It's in my nature."

So the moral of the story is that not everyone seems like who they say they are and it's always best to keep your guard up so that you don't get screwed over.
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Yet some people still insist those individuals should be treated with basic human decency. The same decency they want to take from others and have it apply to only them. Listen people like them haven't been punished and they have to be beaten and exposed. No half measure.

OldAmishRenegade said:
Vic just tweeted his thanks for how great Kamehacon was.

https://twitter.com/vicmignogna/status/1118050205524480000
http://archive.li/aSfQT

Edit: This con volunteer got a photo with both Vic and the Beard
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https://twitter.com/jpalex254/status/1118052822078111744
http://archive.li/ExoXx
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Fucking love this photo!:agree::like::winner:?

Allanon said:
I'm sorry, but this is just a bad response and it sounds like you're just making excuses for being too afraid of confrontation to do anything. I vehemently disagree with Drexel's similar rhetoric, as well. You don't fix things by capitulating, by walking on eggshells and then making derogatory comments about women on the internet. You don't solve this situation by avoiding women, getting signed consent cards, or any of that, because all you're doing is backing off, giving more ground, and giving up more power. Do you think that women can't and won't spin the notarized consent or filmed consent with 'he blackmailed me beforehand' or other claims? That they won't continue to push for retroactive nonconsent so that it's irrelevant if they consented at the time? Do you think it'd even get that far, when their response to the stupid four-handed condom is to get enraged and claim it blames women for rape?

If you want avoid 'squirrel brains' and being fired over winking at a girl when you throw her a hershey's kiss, then you need to do the opposite. Do like Vic is. Don't change how you behave. Make it clear your intention isn't what they're claiming, and then force them to face up to the law while the law is still on your side. Capitulating and running away from women is literally just conditioning people who are sympathetic to you to think 'women can get away with anything, they'll always be believed, there's no use in fighting'. and that is just fostering the concept that if a woman says something it's just accepted that she's to be believed.

Vic didn't do anything wrong in the jellybean story (except eating a bean with marker on it, gross), and I refuse to bow down to the concept that he did. Even if we strip the context of their previous close friendship/flirtatious relationship (evidenced by every video and picture of them ever), he did nothing wrong. The only one in the wrong is Monica for trying to twist innocent interaction into something sinister, and she's about to get sued hard for that. As she rightly should.
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The shit with the jellybeans is fucking idiotic. They didn't mature was they grew up, they regressed.
 
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Did you guys catch that superchat about AnimeAjay has an argument against why Vic should be fired/is guilty and someone wanted him to go on stream with Nick ? That would be entertaining, as all the YTbers with inflated egos could be taken down a notch. I'm not saying Ajay may not have some valid arguments but Nick is a certified lawyer so he'd be able to dissect the argument and explain why or why it doesn't hold any weight. Does anyone know what the argument he made against Vic was to begin with?

beardium said:
Can someone tell nick's email to this person ? https://twitter.com/xMugenYoruichix/status/1118022588343537664

I don't know nick's email and the one on youtube's about me page doesn't seem to be correct.
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CosThot. Probably going to be something sexual or racist he said to her. Either way let Nick handle this.

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she appears to be StandWithVic, but I don't put it past anyone to try something.
 
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ShaggyDawg said:
CosThot. Probably going to be something sexual or racist he said to her. Either way let Nick handle this.

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she appears to be StandWithVic, but I don't put it past anyone to try something.
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Most people that are really neutral either don't talk about it or try not to play games with any side.
 
ShaggyDawg said:
Did you guys catch that superchat about AnimeAjay has an argument against why Vic should be fired/is guilty and someone wanted him to go on stream with Nick ? That would be entertaining, as all the YTbers with inflated egos could be taken down a notch. I'm not saying Ajay may not have some valid arguments but Nick is a certified lawyer so he'd be able to dissect the argument and explain why or why it doesn't hold any weight. Does anyone know what the argument he made against Vic was to begin with?
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Let me put on my clairvoyant hat: "Vic did something that is arguably unethical, but not illegal, and let's not talk about the damaging conspiracy to defame him and run him out of business." Remember: if I'm right, it means I'm psychic!
 
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Bullshit Fucked said:
Something I remembered from years back relating to Sabat and Mignogna.

Back when Funimation were redubbing the Saiyan - Namek episodes uncut for the first time, Vic was cast as Burter in the Ginyu Force. He managed to play the character up until just before the episode he was defeated, where due to possibly a scheduling conflict, Sabat took over the role for that single episode and the filler sequence on King Kai's planet.

No problem, right? Just call Vic back later and have him dub over the portions he was unable to be in town for?

Nope!

What they decided to do instead was redub over all of Vic's dialogue as Burter with Sabat instead, effectively erasing his work from existence and the only way you can actually hear him in the role is if you managed to record the episodes as they were airing on Cartoon Network for the first time. With Sabat taking over as Burter, he now voices 3 of the five Ginyu Force members all by himself, which is ironic as years later Sabat said he wanted to offload some of his roles to other people so he could properly focus on ones which he was more affiliated with (Piccolo, Vegeta, Yamcha etc).

In comes Dragon Ball Z Kai and guess what? Vic is back to voicing Burter again as well as Sabat letting go of Jeice and Burter as roles he voices, keeping only to Recoome.... Except this doesn't even last that long as just a few years later, Sabat is back in those roles yet again.

It's all a clusterfuck really.
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Vic didn’t voice Burter on the first pass of Z. It was a guy named Mark Britten. According to the wikis, he also voiced ten other characters. He was replaced by several VA’s in the remastered version. Vic got the role of Burter in Kai and three of the games.

I don’t know why this actor was replaced, but I suspect it was due to scheduling conflicts, as Britten is also a comedian.
 
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ShaggyDawg said:
Did you guys catch that superchat about AnimeAjay has an argument against why Vic should be fired/is guilty and someone wanted him to go on stream with Nick ? That would be entertaining, as all the YTbers with inflated egos could be taken down a notch.
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I'm going to guess the argument is Vic should just go away.

I enjoyed the Shane stream and thought it was legendary, but i hope Nick's channel doesn't (d)evolve into fighting twitter spergs live. Newer fags attracted by the Vic mess probably don't realise it yet, but Nicks at his best when deep diving law. The shit is fascinating and we don't need a new version of IBS, if he wants to make fun of people then Twitter law school episodes would probably be better in the long run.
ShaggyDawg said:
CosThot. Probably going to be something sexual or racist he said to her. Either way let Nick handle this.
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she appears to be StandWithVic, but I don't put it past anyone to try something.
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She's got SakuraCon currently in her twitter name, would be interesting if she had info about them especially since that's the con with the vice chair who ethics complaint-ed Nick. I wouldn't expect anything though.
 
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AStupidMonkey said:
Let me put on my clairvoyant hat: "Vic did something that is arguably unethical, but not illegal, and let's not talk about the damaging conspiracy to defame him and run him out of business." Remember: if I'm right, it means I'm psychic!
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That's what I'm guessing it is too but I want to see, because people have apparently been touting Ajay as the person in Geekdoms group who does his research on things before he talks.

Tbh, I really hope this guy hasn't made this argument recently because to my knowledge he dropped out of KC due to his mother's deteriorating health. Surely that would mean you have something infinitely better to do, than try and make strawman arguments on a person you have no conclusive proof ever sexually assaulted or raped someone
 
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