Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

[Kate Farms Shill]

to be fair, their autistic sperging about it on illnessfakers didnt help their case.

The only reason I even heard of it was because it comes up on illnessfakers and invariably turns into a cluster b blogfest.

A nurse once told me a whole bunch of signs like that she uses to determine if patients are going to be pains in the ass but fuck me if I remember any other than the classic asking for dilaudid but pretending not to remember the name.

 

[Cheeseman]

The only reason I even heard of it was because it comes up on illnessfakers and invariably turns into a cluster b blogfest.

A nurse once told me a whole bunch of signs like that she uses to determine if patients are going to be pains in the ass but fuck me if I remember any other than the classic asking for dilaudid but pretending not to remember the name.

lol the classic nothing works for me other than..well...cant remember how to say it but it starts with a "d"

 

[Kate Farms Shill]

lol the classic nothing works for me other than..well...cant remember how to say it but it starts with a "d"

“I’m allergic to everything except that one... uh... Dah-loo-did?”

 

[Tasty Tatty]

About 50-70% of Reddit/IF posters are munchies themselves.

You're been quite generous. I'd say a big chunk of MILLENIALS are. Munchausen ain't just for physical diseases, also for mental illness: "I'm depressed", "I have social anxiety", "I'm autistic". We also have media catering to their need to feel sick and give themselves excuses by inventing new "disorders" or "syndromes". They just can't cope with real life. That's not a sickness.

 

[cuddle striker]

There is also fibro diagnosis seeking behaviour, in the UK at least. It can qualify you for Personal Independence Payment which is basically the tugboat of all tugboats. You're talking priority accessible housing (gratis obvs), a car (a nice one too, google "motability"), income supplemented by PIP payments etc as there is a minimum income guaruntee for the long term sick/.disabled, which fibro counts as. This can be for LIFE.

It is the illness of choice for the benefits chancer in the UK.

I do also however know someone with it and she suffers greatly. It's not me btw! The opinion of some is that while yes, many are as described, a physical manifestation of depression, swinging the lead etc new research that is perhaps a little less prejudiced leans towards treating it as an inflammatory problem. Those that really have it.....have a real problem. And in my opinion are being fucked over by a bunch of money grabbing drug seeking lazy arse piss takers.

edited because marijuana

edit 2 cos I was bored I went on the motability site - you can get a brand new audi A1, free all inclusive insurance (2 driver), no money to pay, free servicing and road side assistance if you have fibro that restricts your mobility. obvs there's a lot of munchie there but i bet there's a whole lot of " i'd like a free audi plz"

yeah I know that some forms of depression can be extremely disabling though, so those accommodations may not be out of line either way.

 

[repentance]

I don't think fibromyalgia is one, unified thing.

It's not.

It's a descriptor for a specific type of pain syndrome/complex. Sometimes the underlying cause is known. It's common in people with lupus and people with rheumatoid arthritis. It gets its bad reputation from the cases where there's no apparent cause and from the sheer number of munchies who claim to have it - who just happen to be the same patients in whom treatment never helps at all.

 

[Bees]

lol the classic nothing works for me other than..well...cant remember how to say it but it starts with a "d"

And that patient's name? Richard 'Lowtax' Kyanka.

 

[guccigash]

yeah I know that some forms of depression can be extremely disabling though, so those accommodations may not be out of line either way.

Thank you for that - yes I agree. Physical manifestations of pain from a mental health related source are still just that. Pain. Pain is what the patient feels.

There is also fibro diagnosis seeking behaviour, in the UK at least. It can qualify you for Personal Independence Payment which is basically the tugboat of all tugboats. You're talking priority accessible housing (gratis obvs), a car (a nice one too, google "motability"), income supplemented by PIP payments etc as there is a minimum income guaruntee for the long term sick/.disabled, which fibro counts as. This can be for LIFE.

It is the illness of choice for the benefits chancer in the UK.

I do also however know someone with it and she suffers greatly. It's not me btw! The opinion of some is that while yes, many are as described, a physical manifestation of depression, swinging the lead etc new research that is perhaps a little less prejudiced leans towards treating it as an inflammatory problem. Those that really have it.....have a real problem. And in my opinion are being fucked over by a bunch of money grabbing drug seeking lazy arse piss takers.

edited because marijuana

edit 2 cos I was bored I went on the motability site - you can get a brand new audi A1, free all inclusive insurance (2 driver), no money to pay, free servicing and road side assistance if you have fibro that restricts your mobility. obvs there's a lot of munchie there but i bet there's a whole lot of " i'd like a free audi plz"

Up late again and did the math!!

If someone got a fibro diagnosis and gave up work their tugboat plus the car would be over a grand sterling a month. in the UK Another 250 if they chose not to get the car. Not easy to live on in London but a damn nice income outisde, esp considering no/low rent or council tax, discounted/free travel.

I personally think this is insufficient for a person who is disabled or has a long tern illness to live on. If there's no chance of you ever working again you should have an average income, not some minimum income guarantee. You have extra needs, dignity, and everyone needs a vacation!

I am also not one of those "THAT MONEY COULD GO TO REAL SICK PEOPLE" cos I know what our government (and specifically the DWP) waste billions on.

I'm just saying that a bit of fibro and anxiety is a living. It's an "intermittent" condition that needs research desperately. And instead every middle aged woman with cognitive issues, depression, and rheumatoid issues imagined or not is diagnosed and you have a way in to easy street for any one wth half a brain who knows about fibro.

They are being ignored by sexist, lazy or under-trained and stumped doctors.

edit- sorry for the double post!!!!

edit - oooooof autistic ranking - I CAN GET PERSONAL INDEPENDENCE PAYMENT FOR THAT TOO GIVE ME MOAAAAARRR

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Thank you for that - yes I agree. Physical manifestations of pain from a mental health related source are still just that. Pain. Pain is what the patient feels.

Yes, but when you tell the person the pain is due to depression or is rooted in a psychological condition they shit the bed and throw a fit, demanding a physical diagnosis instead of addressing their mental issues causing the pain.

Up late again and did the math!!

If someone got a fibro diagnosis and gave up work their tugboat plus the car would be over a grand sterling a month. in the UK Another 250 if they chose not to get the car. Not easy to live on in London but a damn nice income outisde, esp considering no/low rent or council tax, discounted/free travel.

I personally think this is insufficient for a person who is disabled or has a long tern illness to live on. If there's no chance of you ever working again you should have an average income, not some minimum income guarantee. You have extra needs, dignity, and everyone needs a vacation!

I am also not one of those "THAT MONEY COULD GO TO REAL SICK PEOPLE" cos I know what our government (and specifically the DWP) waste billions on.

I'm just saying that a bit of fibro and anxiety is a living. It's an "intermittent" condition that needs research desperately. And instead every middle aged woman with cognitive issues, depression, and rheumatoid issues imagined or not is diagnosed and you have a way in to easy street for any one wth half a brain who knows about fibro.

They are being ignored by sexist, lazy or under-trained and stumped doctors.

edit- sorry for the double post!!!!

Society would be down the shitter pretty fast if a comfy middle class income was provided to everyone with depression/anxiety that couldn’t or didn’t feel like working. The system is already fucked thanks to the rampant abuse by people who could work but don’t. Capitalist society would collapse just like the USSR if your provided a comfy income for merely existing and claiming a right to benefits, without ever paying into the system. You’d have half the population claiming depression and anxiety issues if it meant they could sit on their ass watching Netflix, shit posting and eating chicken wings all day in an apt for free.

A good disability income is paid to people who PAID into the system while they worked for years, it’s usually based upon their earnings before becoming disabled. Its deducted from paychecks as disability insurance/ worker’s compensation.

Safety nets can do as much harm as help. There are regions of the USA over run with people who get govt checks that can work, but that check becomes their crutch. It’s easy to get stuck in a rut if there’s no motivation to get out of it. Learned dependence is a troubling issue.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Up late again and did the math!!

If someone got a fibro diagnosis and gave up work their tugboat plus the car would be over a grand sterling a month. in the UK Another 250 if they chose not to get the car. Not easy to live on in London but a damn nice income outisde, esp considering no/low rent or council tax, discounted/free travel.

I personally think this is insufficient for a person who is disabled or has a long tern illness to live on. If there's no chance of you ever working again you should have an average income, not some minimum income guarantee. You have extra needs, dignity, and everyone needs a vacation!

I am also not one of those "THAT MONEY COULD GO TO REAL SICK PEOPLE" cos I know what our government (and specifically the DWP) waste billions on.

I'm just saying that a bit of fibro and anxiety is a living. It's an "intermittent" condition that needs research desperately. And instead every middle aged woman with cognitive issues, depression, and rheumatoid issues imagined or not is diagnosed and you have a way in to easy street for any one wth half a brain who knows about fibro.

They are being ignored by sexist, lazy or under-trained and stumped doctors.

edit- sorry for the double post!!!!

why do you people in the uk love living off welfare so much?

anyway, lots of middle aged women are in pain every day and they struggle on. i don't think it's a coincidence at all that a disproportionate amount of loud fibro women are white and from a better economic background. how many poor bangladeshi women who clean hotels do you think have a fibro diagnosis?

 

[guccigash]

why do you people in the uk love living off welfare so much?

anyway, lots of middle aged women are in pain every day and they struggle on. i don't think it's a coincidence at all that a disproportionate amount of loud fibro women are white and from a better economic background. how many poor bangladeshi women who clean hotels do you think have a fibro diagnosis?

why shouldn't people who are in pain every day make a fuss about it? try to find a way not to have to struggle on, but to improve their lives? the bangladeshi women suffer a lot of things we should prbs be hearing a lot more about.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

why shouldn't people who are in pain every day make a fuss about it? try to find a way not to have to struggle on, but to improve their lives? the bangladeshi women suffer a lot of things we should prbs be hearing a lot more about.

i really don't believe that fibromyalgia exists, that's why i'm eye-rolling over here.
my view is that the majority of fibromyalgia cases could be cured with anti-depressants, weight loss, physical therapy, and a CPAP machine. the remainder have a real chronic condition of some kind but that is not fibromyalgia, like lupus, and they have been misdiagnosed.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

why shouldn't people who are in pain every day make a fuss about it? try to find a way not to have to struggle on, but to improve their lives? the bangladeshi women suffer a lot of things we should prbs be hearing a lot more about.

The point was it seems to be an affliction in the comfortable west. You don’t have “Fibro” or other munchie ailments in developing countries probably because there’s no benefit to it. No one is going to give the woman in Bangeldesh $500 a month to stay home if she claims she has Fibro or depression. They get up everyday and work to eat and survive.

Even mental issues like depression and anxiety aren’t major issues outside of the western world, even in places where you have ppl that have experienced things which if a westerner experienced even 1/10th they would declare lifelong PTSD and stay in bed for the rest of their lives sobbing.

Survival keeps people pushing on and living - and they are happier for it usually. Once you start funding people to lay in bed and wallow, game over. They will never have the motivation to get out of the pit. I can show you trailer parks and housing projects full of such people. The kicker is, they are unhappy and miserable because you’ve taken away any reason for them to get out of the bed in the morning. Self-sufficiency (or at least the feeling of it) make for much more content humans. It gives purpose to their life which is vital for happiness, or at least not being miserable and depressed.

 

[repentance]

i really don't believe that fibromyalgia exists, that's why i'm eye-rolling over here.
my view is that the majority of fibromyalgia cases could be cured with anti-depressants, weight loss, physical therapy, and a CPAP machine. the remainder have a real chronic condition of some kind but that is not fibromyalgia, like lupus, and they have been misdiagnosed.

The thing is that a lot of the people claiming to have fibro don't fit the fair, fat and forty/fifty profile of a generation ago which would have seen their doctors throwing valium at them.

They're not empty-nesters drowning in ennui but fledgings who have failed to launch. I expect social media has played a huge part in the demographic shift.

 

[latter day taint]

I can honestly say, I’ve noticed that.

The other thing that triggers the hell out of them is when you mention service dogs laying on feeding tubes / ports & when you mention.

As for the “stuffed animals” - I’ve noticed that if you mention the amount of germs & how unhygienic some of the stuffed animals look, and you mention they’re a cesspool breeding ground for all things bad, they get extremely defensive.



Their stance on two illnesses is really fucking annoying. 50% of doctors don’t believe fibromyalgia exists, and as for “chronic Lyme” ... how the hell do these people contract chronic Lyme, without ever having Lyme in the first place? They’ve never been bit by a tick etc, but they claim Lyme.

The fibromyalgia thing bothers me, I honestly think it’s

1. A code word for drug seeker / munchaussens in the medical community (I’ve heard that off a few doctor / medical professional friends of mine)

And

2. A way for doctors to get people to fuck off when there’s nothing wrong with them and they keep coming back complaining about nothing.

It's also a way for doctors to churn patients with harder to diagnose issues. No underpaid and overworked GP wants to deal with hard to diagnose seronegative inflamatory conditions. Diagnose with fibro, give them some pain meds, and go on with your life. Maybe the specialist will catch it.

Spoiler: Sperging

I was lumped into fibro for years until unrelated testing showed I had sero-negative arthritis.

 

[guccigash]

i really don't believe that fibromyalgia exists, that's why i'm eye-rolling over here.
my view is that the majority of fibromyalgia cases could be cured with anti-depressants, weight loss, physical therapy, and a CPAP machine. the remainder have a real chronic condition of some kind but that is not fibromyalgia, like lupus, and they have been misdiagnosed.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck.....

The cause may in some instances be psychological, bu the patients are experiencing the symptoms. So they are ill.

The only difference should be the treatment.

That's just the ones whose cause is psychological.

I personally I think there is something physical to SOME fibro cases. I honestly was a 100% cycnic, considered it alongside mogellons or whatever other made up tin foil hat diseases until I got to knwo this this woman and through her a couple of docs/professionals talking about inflammation/rheumatoid.


edit - it's like BPD but with ouchies - mad woman we can't define- heres the label!!!!

 

[Speakeasy Electric]

The thing is that a lot of the people claiming to have fibro don't fit the fair, fat and forty/fifty profile of a generation ago which would have seen their doctors throwing valium at them.

This. Although a small dose of benzos may help some who are a bit hypochondriac for real. Chill them out a bit.
I wonder how many of the munchies are prescribed high doses of these. Withdrawal can kill you.
Benzodiazepine prescriptions doubled from 2003-2015.

“Kids are different today"
I hear ev'ry mother say
Mother needs something today to calm her down
And though she's not really ill
There's a little yellow pill
She goes running for the shelter of a mother's little helper
And it helps her on her way, gets her through her busy day
-The Rolling Stones

 

[glass_houses]

Look, I know someone with fibro. It runs in her family. Her grandmother was put in an insane asylum because of it, because she had all these symptoms that the doctors swore must be psychological. Her sisters have fibro, and so does her brother. "It's psychosomatic" is something she hears frequently. she's been down that path and yes, she has taken SSRIs. She's also taken lithium, all benzos, and just about any other antidepressant/antianxiety you'd care to name. Nothing changed, the only result was her having to add side effects from the drugs on top of her fibro symptoms. She is not overweight, she swims every day despite random swellings, intense pain and stiffness in all her joints. She's essentially on the Paleo diet because grains and dairy cause pain and disruption of digestion in her intestines. She is a very sick woman and if she has depression, it's because she's permanently in pain. I believe in fibromalgia because I've seen it. I've no doubt that it's faked by malingerers. I've also no doubt that it's a genuine inflammatory disorder.

Now gimme all your mad on the internet ratings.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Look, I know someone with fibro. It runs in her family. Her grandmother was put in an insane asylum because of it, because she had all these symptoms that the doctors swore must be psychological. Her sisters have fibro, and so does her brother. "It's psychosomatic" is something she hears frequently. she's been down that path and yes, she has taken SSRIs. She's also taken lithium, all benzos, and just about any other antidepressant/antianxiety you'd care to name. Nothing changed, the only result was her having to add side effects from the drugs on top of her fibro symptoms. She is not overweight, she swims every day despite random swellings, intense pain and stiffness in all her joints. She's essentially on the Paleo diet because grains and dairy cause pain and disruption of digestion in her intestines. She is a very sick woman and if she has depression, it's because she's permanently in pain. I believe in fibromalgia because I've seen it. I've no doubt that it's faked by malingerers. I've also no doubt that it's a genuine inflammatory disorder.

Now gimme all your mad on the internet ratings.

Are opiates the only thing that’s helped her, and her entire family’s, pain?

 

[repentance]

I believe in fibromalgia because I've seen it. I've no doubt that it's faked by malingerers. I've also no doubt that it's a genuine inflammatory disorder.

Now gimme all your mad on the internet ratings.

I think that until very recently the picture has been clouded by the tendency of doctors to prescribe opiates for chronic pain. We understand now that opiates are a poor choice for certain types of pain, but in the past a patient who said that opiates weren't relieving their pain was often seen as drug and/or attention-seeking.

I also think that people get a bit confused by the use of anti-depressants in pain management and don't understand that they're often prescribed at sub-therapeutic levels because we discovered a long time ago that they can make other drugs work better - in many instances, they're not actually being prescribed to treat depression but their use often adds to the perception that chronic pain is a psychological condition.