Victor Mignogna v. Funimation Productions, LLC, et al. (2019) - Vic's lawsuit against Funimation, VAs, and others, for over a million dollars.

Are VAs part of the Actors Union?
If I remember correctly there was a Voice Actors union created back during that Performance Matters thing a couple years ago. I know it was more focused around video game voice acting but I think some anime VAs joined in too. I have no idea how far along that union is now, but I know that at least when it started it was small enough such that most AAA video game companies just dumped all union VAs and never hired union VAs going forward.

All that aside, I'm pretty sure Vic is a solo contractor, not part of a union. I could definitely be wrong though, as I've never really looked into it, but an easy thing to point to for my guess is that if Vic was in a union, I'd guarantee they would have stepped in at some point by now.
 
And a lot of the vicarious liability theory rests on statements made by Roy Toye, et al. But I think to establish that Toye is either an actual or ostensible agent of Funimation, Vic will have to point to something that Funimation did (not Toye) to make people think he was their agent or some document or oral statement that they signed/wrote/said that actually made him their agent.
The way that Nick has explained it is that Texas agency law is written so that ultimately all that matters is if a reasonable person would believe that he was an agent.

I would imagine that FUNimation would at least have to be shown to be aware of or complicit in this fiction, in order to be liable for his actions, but I'm not really sure how Texas law will decide this. It seems pretty crazy that a corporation could be liable for the actions of someone who claimed to be an agent when the corporation wasn't even aware of what was going on. However, several people who are on FUNimation's payroll (namely Monica and Jamie) were involved in creating the impression that Ron was an employee of FUNimation, and/or that he had access to privileged, private details from the investigation.
I have disagreed for a long time that Funimation's "one tweet" is a solid piece of evidence. I think it is pretty easy to read it in less malicious ways - like the part where they say "we don't support any type of harassment" can be read as "please don't go bother Vic just because we decided to fire him", instead of "we don't want to work with a Bad Guy™, we're not having any of it around here".
If that's what they meant, why even make the tweet? If they wanted to spare Vic from harassment as a result of them firing him, they shouldn't have even commented on it. They certainly didn't have to say anything. They went out of their way, and against what any competent HR department would recommend, by saying anything more than the bare minimum of "Vic Mignogna no longer works with FUNimation." And they didn't even have to say that. They could've just kept quiet.
Are VAs part of the Actors Union?
Nick has said that voice actors are unionized in California, but not in Texas.
 
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If I remember correctly there was a Voice Actors union created back during that Performance Matters thing a couple years ago. I know it was more focused around video game voice acting but I think some anime VAs joined in too. I have no idea how far along that union is now, but I know that at least when it started it was small enough such that most AAA video game companies just dumped all union VAs and never hired union VAs going forward.

All that aside, I'm pretty sure Vic is a solo contractor, not part of a union. I could definitely be wrong though, as I've never really looked into it, but an easy thing to point to for my guess is that if Vic was in a union, I'd guarantee they would have stepped in at some point by now.
Something similar happened with Palutena's VA in Smash Bros, which she wanted to reprise it but Nintendo denied her. It's why in some games now by Nintendo, you see credits, but the person you obviously hear is not credited (The same can be said about Pit's VA, Antoni Del Rio, who is not credited in Smash Bros. Ultimate, nor his reprisal of a character in Fire Emblem Heroes, among other ones.)
 
If I remember correctly there was a Voice Actors union created back during that Performance Matters thing a couple years ago. I know it was more focused around video game voice acting but I think some anime VAs joined in too. I have no idea how far along that union is now, but I know that at least when it started it was small enough such that most AAA video game companies just dumped all union VAs and never hired union VAs going forward.

All that aside, I'm pretty sure Vic is a solo contractor, not part of a union. I could definitely be wrong though, as I've never really looked into it, but an easy thing to point to for my guess is that if Vic was in a union, I'd guarantee they would have stepped in at some point by now.

Well yes. But that's the dirty secret of why all these dubbing and Video Game voice studios are in Texas. It's a "Right to Work" state. WHich means you cannot have a closed Union Shop. The effective result is no unions. So instead of applying pressure to the studios, all the Union ends up doing is putting pressure on the Actors. "If you work for any non Union projects or studios you'll never work again". The result is you get two tiers of actors. Union and Non Union, each working within fairly walled off parts of the industry. What few cross over between the two, do so using pseudonyms and fake stage names. All of the Funi VA's are Non Union.
 
I'm glad I refrained from responding to that exceptional individual and let others with more restraint do it. I know we're trying to keep a higher level of discourse in this subforum and I was just going to call him a faggot and tell him to lurk moar.
-Joined last month;
-Hasn't bothered with a profile pic;
-Every post is on Minogna;
-Acts like an exceptional Sargon-tier liberalist.

Seriously, there has been an influx of these no profile pic faggots over the last 2 months who get too exceptional about Minogna or Sargon. Lurk moar you faggots.
 
Ohh you anglos and your primitive language. what a brutish use of the word Zugzwang...

It was a German, grandmaster Emmanuel Lasker, who coined the term.

Are VAs part of the Actors Union?

I believe the LA contingent of VAs is. However, Funimation is not a union shop and in fact, actually unionized VAs are strongly discouraged from working for non-union shops (though they still do it sometimes using pseudonyms).

The current batch being sued is the Texas contingent.

If that's what they meant, why even make the tweet? If they wanted to spare Vic from harassment as a result of them firing him, they shouldn't have even commented on it. They certainly didn't have to say anything.

This is why their choice to do so was at best perverse, and why I believe it is actionable. Public statements about the termination of a business relationship are very sensitive and defamation in that context is nearly always extremely damaging, which is why I believe a SLAPP motion will fail.

However, if you knock out the agency arguments and your cause of action is dangling on that one tweet, it does put Funimation in the best position of any of the defendants for such a motion. They'd have to be fools not to at least try.
 
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@AnOminous: What if twitter or in general nobodies had contacted higher-ups in Funimation on Twitter or by e-mail prior serving papers like in March, and Funimation didn't look into it.
Would they be liable for that?
 
Round 1 is Texas defendants in state.

Maybe they'll be in Round 2, which will be federal and include out of state defendants.
Isn't Rooster Teeth also in Texas? I know at least some of their offices are there, and which I'm pretty sure includes their headquarters.

That being said I just assumed they were potentially round 2 just because their statements weren't as damaging.
 
I have disagreed for a long time that Funimation's "one tweet" is a solid piece of evidence. I think it is pretty easy to read it in less malicious ways - like the part where they say "we don't support any type of harassment" can be read as "please don't go bother Vic just because we decided to fire him", instead of "we don't want to work with a Bad Guy™, we're not having any of it around here". Yes, I think a thorough understanding does reveal that it is a malicious tweet but people have been saying it cannot possibly be interpreted as anything different but, yea, it actually can, to some degree at least and Funimation will make that claim in court - because why wouldn't they if they can?
Sure it can be compartmentalized and read in a more generous way, but Nick did find Texas case law that concluded the statement must be taken in full. 'There was an investigation, Vic is no longer working for us, we don't condone harassment' doesn't paint a pretty picture. They could have also made that a seperate tweet rather than stick it onto the thread.

Funimation is going to have a harder time if Sabat or any other code names are also directors at funimation.

Out of curiosity, does anybody know why Vic didn't sue Rooster Teeth aswell?
RT didn't imply his firing was due to harrassment and a few employees that could be considered agents of RT only made a few bad tweets before being tard wrangled. Unlike Funimation and months of their agents tweets. It's been implied that Funimation people like Sabat and Marchi may have been leaning on RT and sharing info from Funimation side in order to get him fired. If true that info will likely come up in discovery and help make a prima facie case against RT.
 
Isn't Rooster Teeth also in Texas? I know at least some of their offices are there, and which I'm pretty sure includes their headquarters.

That being said I just assumed they were potentially round 2 just because their statements weren't as damaging.

Maybe they just weren't important enough. Who knows? Maybe they aren't even in Round 2.

(Also apparently yes, they are in Texas, Austin specifically.)
 
Out of curiosity, does anybody know why Vic didn't sue Rooster Teeth aswell?
I don't think anyone outside of Vic and BHBH know these things for sure; though we can speculate.

Round 1 is Texas defendants in state.

Maybe they'll be in Round 2, which will be federal and include out of state defendants.
At least per wikipedia Rooster Teath's headquarters are in Austin Texas.

Possibile reasons for RT not being sued (yet):
  1. RT did not make any official public anti-Vic statement other than a simple he was being re-cast note. Maybe the conclusion was that they haven't done anything actionable?
  2. This suit alleges that all the other defendants were acting as Funi agents or employees - if RT was added in to the same suit the case/logic would likely be messier
  3. Ty could be negotiating with RT behind the scenes to get them to bring Vic back (100% speculation)
  4. A separate suit against RT could be being drafted now?
  5. Perhaps they're waiting for discovery from funi before considering if they can take action against RT?
 
The way that Nick has explained it is that Texas agency law is written so that ultimately all that matters is if a reasonable person would believe that he was an agent.

I didn't listen to what Nick said. But as I understand it, he's a lawyer and far more interested/involved in this issue than I am. So I expect he knows far more about Texas agency law. Nonetheless, My Google-Fu tells me that to prove ostensible agency, Vic will have the burden of proving (1) that a person would hold a reasonable belief that defendant(s) was/were the agent or employee of Funimation; (2) that the belief was generated by some affirmative conduct on the part of Funimation holding defendants out as its employee or agent or knowingly allowing defendants to hold themselves out as such; and (3) that people would justifiably relied upon the appearance and representation of authority that defendant(s) was/were Funimation's employee or agent.

The case I looked at, Baptist Memorial Hosp. System v. Sampson, 969 S.W.2d 945 (Tex., May 21, 1998), involved a case where a hospital let an independent contractor physician use paper with the hospital's letterhead and the suing patient argued that she reasonably believed based on the fact that the doctor operated out of the hospital, used hospital letterhead, and she was told by someone not to worry. The Court said in that case even if the patient's belief that her doctor was a hospital employee were reasonable that belief must be based on or generated by some conduct on the part of the Hospital. The Court found that none of these facts raised a scintilla of evidence to support the claim of ostensible agency.

The argument for vicarious liability in this case (assuming that's necessary, others argue no) is that in the same stream of tweets where they announced Vic's dismissal, other defendants spoke up about confidential knowledge and made defamatory statements about Vic. I would expect Vic to argue that when someone in front of Funimation says things about how they were involved in the investigation and have read the confidential reports and x, y, and z, then Funimation had an affirmative duty to say, "ummm no, they don't speak for me," and that choosing to remain silent is an affirmative act. If I was arguing the other side, I would say that if letting someone write a post-operative report on hospital letterhead and operate in your hospital wasn't enough to create ostensible agency, then the mere fact that someone posted on Twitter in the same thread where Funimation posted also isn't enough.

Which side wins? I don't know. But I do think Vic can't just rely on the mere fact that a reasonable person would believe the other defendants were agents of Funimation. I think Vic has to show that, at a minimum, Funimation actively fostered that belief.

It was a really bad tweet. It should never have been made, and wouldn't have been made non-maliciously.

Let me start by saying that we seem to basically be on the same page and I don't challenge anything you said in the above message (of which I quote a snippet). I just wanted to use your statement to make a point that may already have been made above. When the word malice is used in the defamation context under Texas law, we're not talking malice in the way that normal people might use it.

We're not saying someone said these words, because they hates me and want to get me and have this dark, hard-on against me, e.g.,

“Actual malice in the defamation context does not include ill will, spite or evil motive, but rather requires ‘sufficient evidence to permit the conclusion that the defendant in fact entertained serious doubts as to the truth of his publication.’ ”  Hagler v. Proctor & Gamble Mfg. Co., 884 S.W.2d 771, 772 (Tex.1994). Actual malice includes making a statement knowing it is false or with reckless disregard of whether it is true.  Hagler, 884 S.W.2d at 772 (citing Carr v. Brasher, 776 S.W.2d 567, 571 (Tex.1989)). “Reckless disregard’ is defined as a high degree of awareness of probable falsity, for proof of which the plaintiff must present ‘sufficient evidence to permit the conclusion that the defendant in fact entertained serious doubts as to the truth of his publication." Carr, 776 S.W.2d at 571.

If Vic can prove that the statements made by the other defendants were made as agents of Funimation, proving legal malice becomes much, much easier. If Vic is limited to the two (that I've read) actual tweets by Funimation, Vic has a harder time showing legal malice. I expect that Funimation will say, we believed what we wrote and we did an investigation and the investigation supported our belief.
 
I didn't listen to what Nick said. But as I understand it, he's a lawyer and far more interested/involved in this issue than I am. So I expect he knows far more about Texas agency law. Nonetheless, My Google-Fu tells me that to prove ostensible agency, Vic will have the burden of proving (1) that a person would hold a reasonable belief that defendant(s) was/were the agent or employee of Funimation; (2) that the belief was generated by some affirmative conduct on the part of Funimation holding defendants out as its employee or agent or knowingly allowing defendants to hold themselves out as such; and (3) that people would justifiably relied upon the appearance and representation of authority that defendant(s) was/were Funimation's employee or agent.

The case I looked at, Baptist Memorial Hosp. System v. Sampson, 969 S.W.2d 945 (Tex., May 21, 1998), involved a case where a hospital let an independent contractor physician use paper with the hospital's letterhead and the suing patient argued that she reasonably believed based on the fact that the doctor operated out of the hospital, used hospital letterhead, and she was told by someone not to worry. The Court said in that case even if the patient's belief that her doctor was a hospital employee were reasonable that belief must be based on or generated by some conduct on the part of the Hospital. The Court found that none of these facts raised a scintilla of evidence to support the claim of ostensible agency.

The argument for vicarious liability in this case (assuming that's necessary, others argue no) is that in the same stream of tweets where they announced Vic's dismissal, other defendants spoke up about confidential knowledge and made defamatory statements about Vic. I would expect Vic to argue that when someone in front of Funimation says things about how they were involved in the investigation and have read the confidential reports and x, y, and z, then Funimation had an affirmative duty to say, "ummm no, they don't speak for me," and that choosing to remain silent is an affirmative act. If I was arguing the other side, I would say that if letting someone write a post-operative report on hospital letterhead and operate in your hospital wasn't enough to create ostensible agency, then the mere fact that someone posted on Twitter in the same thread where Funimation posted also isn't enough.

Which side wins? I don't know. But I do think Vic can't just rely on the mere fact that a reasonable person would believe the other defendants were agents of Funimation. I think Vic has to show that, at a minimum, Funimation actively fostered that belief.
At the least, it’s worth asking Rekieta his opinion... who is going to volunteer as shekel chat tribute? Not it
 
If Vic can prove that the statements made by the other defendants were made as agents of Funimation, proving legal malice becomes much, much easier. If Vic is limited to the two (that I've read) actual tweets by Funimation, Vic has a harder time showing legal malice (Funimation actually knew the statements were false or was reckless (Funimation will say, we believed what we wrote and we did an investigation).

We actually know the basic contents of the investigation, so we have some idea of the base minimum that Funimation had to know when they made that statement, and just that level of knowledge shows they made the statement with actual knowledge of its falsity. All that is necessary for malice is reckless disregard for truth or falsity, but in this case, we know they actually had knowledge what they were implying was false.

Nothing in that investigation would cause any reasonable person to believe Vic was guilty of anything at all.
 
Possibile reasons for RT not being sued (yet):
  1. RT did not make any official public anti-Vic statement other than a simple he was being re-cast note. Maybe the conclusion was that they haven't done anything actionable?
  2. This suit alleges that all the other defendants were acting as Funi agents or employees - if RT was added in to the same suit the case/logic would likely be messier
  3. Ty could be negotiating with RT behind the scenes to get them to bring Vic back (100% speculation)
  4. A separate suit against RT could be being drafted now?
  5. Perhaps they're waiting for discovery from funi before considering if they can take action against RT?
A combination of 1 and 5, I think. There's no evidence that RT publicly defamed Vic, but it's possible that they were talking behind the scenes. Until it can be proven, they can't really be sued. Discovery in round 1 might turn up some evidence that could be used against RT, though.
I didn't listen to what Nick said. But as I understand it, he's a lawyer and far more interested/involved in this issue than I am. So I expect he knows far more about Texas agency law. Nonetheless, My Google-Fu tells me that to prove ostensible agency, Vic will have the burden of proving (1) that a person would hold a reasonable belief that defendant(s) was/were the agent or employee of Funimation; (2) that the belief was generated by some affirmative conduct on the part of Funimation holding defendants out as its employee or agent or knowingly allowing defendants to hold themselves out as such; and (3) that people would justifiably relied upon the appearance and representation of authority that defendant(s) was/were Funimation's employee or agent.
Jamie Marchi and Monica Rial, both employees of FUNimation, played a gay op on Twitter where they said that Ron Toye was a high-level employee there at FUNimation. Lots of people reasonably believed this, and it amplified Ron's defamatory remarks because it created the impression that Ron had access to privileged information about the investigation.

The question becomes whether FUNimation is responsible for the actions of its employees, and who needed to know about this in order to say that FUNimation "knew"?
“Actual malice in the defamation context does not include ill will, spite or evil motive, but rather requires ‘sufficient evidence to permit the conclusion that the defendant in fact entertained serious doubts as to the truth of his publication.’ ”  Hagler v. Proctor & Gamble Mfg. Co., 884 S.W.2d 771, 772 (Tex.1994). Actual malice includes making a statement knowing it is false or with reckless disregard of whether it is true.  Hagler, 884 S.W.2d at 772 (citing Carr v. Brasher, 776 S.W.2d 567, 571 (Tex.1989)). “Reckless disregard’ is defined as a high degree of awareness of probable falsity, for proof of which the plaintiff must present ‘sufficient evidence to permit the conclusion that the defendant in fact entertained serious doubts as to the truth of his publication." Carr, 776 S.W.2d at 571.
I think the "reckless disregard of whether it is true" part will come into play. Jamie Marchi's infamous "Yes, I want his head. I want his balls." tweet shows the mindset of someone who would make damaging statements with reckless disregard to their truthfulness or lack thereof. She then went on to make defamatory tweets with no evidence behind them. I think you can infer malice from her actions.
 
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Funimation is going to have a harder time if Sabat or any other code names are also directors at funimation.
Both Marchi and Monica have directed and written for Funimation.

Has Ruination ever gone back to remove credits from any other VA (unlikely) and even more important: is that even legal/moral? After all this, the company itself is just another bully kid in the Twitter playground and it is almost trivial to demonstrate they are acting with deliberate malice and in tandem with Moronica, Soye and Mariachi.
As far as I can tell, Scott Freeman, convicted pedophile, is still credited in his roles. Same with Illich Guardiola, who banged a 16-year-old (albeit charges were dropped after the mother said she consented; he also mostly works for Sentai with only a few Funimation roles).
 
As far as I can tell, Scott Freeman, convicted pedophile, is still credited in his roles. Same with Illich Guardiola, who banged a 16-year-old (albeit charges were dropped after the mother said she consented; he also mostly works for Sentai with only a few Funimation roles).

SJWs love pedophiles. They have no problem with that at all.

The only real crime in their book is being a completely normal heterosexual male.
 
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