Victor Mignogna v. Funimation Productions, LLC, et al. (2019) - Vic's lawsuit against Funimation, VAs, and others, for over a million dollars.

[AnOminous]

Because Ty is probably going on the assumption that Vic is more concerned about having a career after all this is over, and Funi can spin it to themselves and everyone else that it was rogue elements that started this if they settle and throw these fucking idiots under the bus.

This is why despite being the proverbial "deep pockets" they can get away from this fairly cheaply money wise because they can do a fair amount to repair some of the reputational damage. That plus the fact they can spend that money to fight tooth and nail makes it more attractive.

If their TCPA doesn't work there's a good chance they will, although they might even before bothering. I really don't know if the decision making ever gets kicked up to someone with a functioning brain or if it's all absolute idiots there.

 

[repentance]

At this point we don't even know if Funi has retained outside counsel. Who they retain will be interesting in itself.

 

[AnOminous]

At this point we don't even know if Funi has retained outside counsel. Who they retain will be interesting in itself.

They'll have to file something soon. I'm not sure exactly when.

 

[repentance]

They'll have to file something soon. I'm not sure exactly when.

I'm actually looking forward to that.

 

[some_crazy]

Even with the slow method of service I assume Funimation must have been served over a week ago now.

I assume that with Ron and Monica we wouldn't have heard anything prior to their initial response on monday next week if not for Casey trying to play this game of getting Vic deposed without Ron and Monica being deposed.

So the silence on the other parties could just indicate that they're not playing silly games - and maybe responses will come from them on the 20th (allowing 1 week longer than Ron/Monica for the slower service)

 

[TheClappening]

I'm actually looking forward to that.

More than anything, I want to see their reasoning for deleting Vic's interview from the Broly BDs and removing him from the credits from Amazon, iTunes, etc.

 

[Lens Serial# 0000713d7c]

The long game here is that we (Farms, lategayboomstream, FearBeard et al) all know that MoRonica will absolutely without a shred of hesitation violate the fuck out of any given confidentiality order and do a piss-poor job of covering their obese cetacean tracks.

 

[AnOminous]

So the silence on the other parties could just indicate that they're not playing silly games - and maybe responses will come from them on the 20th (allowing 1 week longer than Ron/Monica for the slower service)

Conceivably the parties are coordinating behind the scenes through counsel, because that's what anyone with a remotely functional brain would be doing, but you get the defendants you get I suppose.

 

[some_crazy]

He'd probably respond with the fact that Nick is a third party unrelated to the case, and any information Nick had received was through his own research. At no point did Ty supply Nick with any information other than a "That does not contradict the information we have at this time." Anything that Nick has used has been taken from public record, and as a private citizen, he would have the right to report on the case with the information as he sees fit. So long as his statements are not made to defame the parties involved.

Edit: There is also a major difference in Nick, an unrelated third party in the eyes of the court, disclosing publically available information, and the deposition being revealed by Monica and Ron, who are defendants in the case itself.

Back on the day the lawsuit was filed Ty (on Nick's stream) did hint that he was considering publicly sharing the deposition tapes; possibly via Nick. That clip could perhaps be put forward by Casey.

I suppose as long as the tapes are out for both sides it would be fair whereas Casey seemingly was aiming at getting the tape of Vic published but not allowing Ron and Monica to even be deposed.

That aside, I was looking forward to seeing video of Ron and Monica being deposed; but I understand if it's better for Vic if it is all just kept under wraps.

 

[PrinceofAllCucks]

Back on the day the lawsuit was filed Ty (on Nick's stream) did hint that he was considering publicly sharing the deposition tapes; possibly via Nick. That clip could perhaps be put forward by Casey.

I suppose as long as the tapes are out for both sides it would be fair whereas Casey seemingly was aiming at getting the tape of Vic published but not allowing Ron and Monica to even be deposed.

That aside, I was looking forward to seeing video of Ron and Monica being deposed; but I understand if it's better for Vic if it is all just kept under wraps.

What's most likely to go down is, both parties will be deposed, and under the confidentiality agreement, it'll be kept under wraps until it's relevant to be admitted as evidence in the trial. At that time, irrelevant details will be censored, either to protect identities to the public or just generally useless information, and the portions that the public will receive will be read/watched on stream.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

Because Ty is probably going on the assumption that Vic is more concerned about having a career after all this is over, and Funi can spin it to themselves and everyone else that it was rogue elements that started this if they settle and throw these fucking idiots under the bus.

Since Ty has often said (paraphrased) "The best thing for the litigants to do is to do business," I can see their lawyer issuing a statement that goes something like...

" Unfortunately, Funimation acted on erronoius information provided by Mo/Ron/Marchi, who were employees and -or close associates. As such, going forward, we will be reinstating our business relationship with VM immeadiately and retract/apologize for the situation our actions were a part of. etc etc etc."

The three stooges are well and truly underbussed if they do that. Vic ends up with a non disclosed but Beard arranged settlement that includes guaranteed work. The cons would then have a hell of a time justifying to potential fans at that point why VM should not be included on their roster when the very company that 'kicked Vic" not only backpedals but rehires him.

Of course, the fallout from the explosion of various social media based atom brains achieving fission would destroy the metoo movement in Anime or cripple it substantially, while Ty's "Do more business" philosophy would result in win/win/win for Vic, Funi and the conventions. Vic gets his career back to a significant if not complete extent, Funi gets to pay out less and exit the game and sane VAs/Anime people have a big blow struck against the idiocy.

The losers are the three stooges, the 'players yet to be named,' and of course the PULL/Tumblrite/Twitter legions.

All this is possible. 'Probable' is another thing entirely, but if Funi wants an easy out, Whoomp! there it is. With the Twitter mob sharing shade under the bus with the three stooges, Funi won't get nearly the backlash they fear since the antagonists will be out of power/favor/influence with the greater community.

 

[Vorapede]

Not to mention any kind of public retraction from MoRon and Jamie would likely immediately be followed by them talking to their 'private' facebook circles that "I didn't actually mean the retraction. and still stand by everything but only said that in order to get them off my back."

I hope, I hope they try some shit like that. If that leaked I'm pretty sure thats contempt of court, which is a criminal offence.

 

[PrinceofAllCucks]

Since Ty has often said (paraphrased) "The best thing for the litigants to do is to do business," I can see their lawyer issuing a statement that goes something like...

" Unfortunately, Funimation acted on erronoius information provided by Mo/Ron/Marchi, who were employees and -or close associates. As such, going forward, we will be reinstating our business relationship with VM immeadiately and retract/apologize for the situation our actions were a part of. etc etc etc."

The three stooges are well and truly underbussed if they do that. Vic ends up with a non disclosed but Beard arranged settlement that includes guaranteed work. The cons would then have a hell of a time justifying to potential fans at that point why VM should not be included on their roster when the very company that 'kicked Vic" not only backpedals but rehires him.

Of course, the fallout from the explosion of various social media based atom brains achieving fission would destroy the metoo movement in Anime or cripple it substantially, while Ty's "Do more business" philosophy would result in win/win/win for Vic, Funi and the conventions. Vic gets his career back to a significant if not complete extent, Funi gets to pay out less and exit the game and sane VAs/Anime people have a big blow struck against the idiocy.

The losers are the three stooges, the 'players yet to be named,' and of course the PULL/Tumblrite/Twitter legions.

All this is possible. 'Probable' is another thing entirely, but if Funi wants an easy out, Whoomp! there it is. With the Twitter mob sharing shade under the bus with the three stooges, Funi won't get nearly the backlash they fear since the antagonists will be out of power/favor/influence with the greater community.

This is all implying that funimation is actually run like a business. If they wanted the least amount of backlash coming from this as possible, obviously this would be a good strategy, but they've continually shown an unwillingness to cooperate with anything involving Vic since termination. Personally, I'm hard pressed to believe that if Funimation really wanted to settle this with Ty and Vic, they wouldn't have allowed it to go as far as letting SoyeBoye use their internal investigation as a springboard for his defamation.

 

[AnOminous]

[Response moved from general weeb wars thread due to docket geekery.]

The slightly strange point is that the second letter then says the hearing will be on the 31st, not the 30th.

It's the court that schedules motion hearings. Most of the hearings currently on this week's calendar (link may break or contents change) are on Thursday or Friday of this week, with the bulk of them on Friday. The website is nearly useless even taking into consideration almost anything you'd want to see is behind a paywall anyway, but most courts schedule hearings on motions for some day of the week or month following the filing of the motion, and they're often just scheduled for whatever spot is open.

At least they're civilized enough to schedule it for what looks like a specific time, although in actuality it could just be that's when they start and then they get to you when they get to you.

If you look at this Friday's, for instance, the first batch is a giant batch all scheduled for 10:30 a.m., all DWOP (dismissal for want of prosecution) show cause hearings, where presumably, since the plaintiff hasn't even prosecuted the case, odds are good many simply won't show up and the case will be dismissed.

All of these are given a half-hour but presumably any of them could result in a full blown hearing of some kind or at least a few minutes argument and then presumably a decision to dismiss it or not.

The next two times, 11:00 a.m. and 11:30 a.m., are both for actual hearings on specific cases, the first a TRO hearing and the second, and last, on something that sounds like a substantive motion, i.e. a real motion hearing.

I'll note that this hearing is scheduled for 11:30 a.m., signifying (and this is some wild-ass guessery just based on how courts operate) that this is an actual full blown hearing where substantial oral argument is expected from both sides and is scheduled after the 10:30 a.m. cattle call and maybe one other substantial case.

In practice, it could be heard for any length necessary and continue after a lunch break.

 

[Dopey Cunt]

This is all implying that funimation is actually run like a business. If they wanted the least amount of backlash coming from this as possible, obviously this would be a good strategy, but they've continually shown an unwillingness to cooperate with anything involving Vic since termination. Personally, I'm hard pressed to believe that if Funimation really wanted to settle this with Ty and Vic, they wouldn't have allowed it to go as far as letting SoyeBoye use their internal investigation as a springboard for his defamation.

I honestly think it's taking this long because Funimation is already notorious for being horribly run and having corruption in it's management out the ass and frankly, they're all friends with each other. It's been proven that most of the VAs that came out against Vic are funi employees, are married to funi employees and have extensive reach and connection there. So Funimation is implicated heavily here, if they don't settle then that means they are willing to go down with the ship defending their false narratives.
Good, this is good. I want Funimation to be destroyed. I want them to go bankrupt. I want them to be erased.

 

[ScorpioAssassin]

I honestly think it's taking this long because Funimation is already notorious for being horribly run and having corruption in it's management out the ass and frankly, they're all friends with each other. It's been proven that most of the VAs that came out against Vic are funi employees, are married to funi employees and have extensive reach and connection there. So Funimation is implicated heavily here, if they don't settle then that means they are willing to go down with the ship defending their false narratives.
Good, this is good. I want Funimation to be destroyed. I want them to go bankrupt. I want them to be erased.

And it needs to serve as a lesson to the rest of the US Anime market to not pull this again. Especially the big ones like VIZ and Sentai.

 

[LL 196]

Since Ty has often said (paraphrased) "The best thing for the litigants to do is to do business," I can see their lawyer issuing a statement that goes something like...

" Unfortunately, Funimation acted on erronoius information provided by Mo/Ron/Marchi, who were employees and -or close associates. As such, going forward, we will be reinstating our business relationship with VM immeadiately and retract/apologize for the situation our actions were a part of. etc etc etc."

The three stooges are well and truly underbussed if they do that. Vic ends up with a non disclosed but Beard arranged settlement that includes guaranteed work. The cons would then have a hell of a time justifying to potential fans at that point why VM should not be included on their roster when the very company that 'kicked Vic" not only backpedals but rehires him.

Of course, the fallout from the explosion of various social media based atom brains achieving fission would destroy the metoo movement in Anime or cripple it substantially, while Ty's "Do more business" philosophy would result in win/win/win for Vic, Funi and the conventions. Vic gets his career back to a significant if not complete extent, Funi gets to pay out less and exit the game and sane VAs/Anime people have a big blow struck against the idiocy.

The losers are the three stooges, the 'players yet to be named,' and of course the PULL/Tumblrite/Twitter legions.

All this is possible. 'Probable' is another thing entirely, but if Funi wants an easy out, Whoomp! there it is. With the Twitter mob sharing shade under the bus with the three stooges, Funi won't get nearly the backlash they fear since the antagonists will be out of power/favor/influence with the greater community.

I think you're being overly optimistic. Even if Funi were to settle, they bad actors can still do gay ops behind the scenes and finally become wise enough not to do it in open comms. That's why Vic is suing for so much money. They've permanently harmed him, and the bad actors who haven't been or neverr will be served can continue to harm him through the whisper network.

Think about how irresponsibly Pensacon acted as an example. Plenty of other cons are run by idiot gatekeepers and just conspired to never invite Vic, even if he does get hired back at Funimation. In future years no contracts have been broken, he's just blacklisted. That's why it largely IS about the money because there are SJW shithead all over the industry like an infestation of parasites.

 

[boulderblundermatt90]

As fun as it would be, don't expect the judge to engage in overt legal theatrics himself. He'll just grant the motions, cite some rules why, and tell both sides verbally he expects them to cooperate with each other as much as procedure requires. We should keep an eye out to see if this will actually get a scheduled hearing in a courtroom. Intrepid Kiwis may be able to attend.

I point out again that casey tried to tell the judge what to do without citing why the judge should feel compelled to.
depending on the judge, they'll take that as casey tried to bully them into a decision favorable to them.
most judges will not like a lawyer thinking they can boss the judge around.
most judges will make sure to make it clear who is boss in that courtroom.

 

[Wake me up]

In future years no contracts have been broken, he's just blacklisted

Ty should be suing for some 10+ years of projected income because at this point in time, Vic might have to found his own voice acting studio or even change careers completely. I think we all here hope he manages to find a way to continue doing what he loves doing but there is a very real possibility that the damage done is too permanent for this to be possible, not to mention the ongoing stigma even if he wins the lawsuit, which he just might rather not have to suffer at all every single day of his potential voice acting career.

I don't know but I imagine dubbing is a very small niche in the US and he's already hated by a very vocal minority who is only going to grow more ripe the more successful this lawsuit is. It's going to be hard to re-enter the industry after all of this, unless he decides to build his own thing, isolated from that toxic crowd, with enough money to make it stand on its own without having to rub too many shoulders with other VAs and the companies and cons that work with them.

Are there any limits or "averages" for damages in this type of case? I don't think you could argue that the defendants get to pay for the entire life of the defendant due to a ruined career but I'm damn sure Ty is gonna milk it as far as he possibly can!

 

[Mrtrollenski]

A number of people have stated 'the weakest case is against funimation' to paraphrase. I suggest watching this video from Nick R. At the beginning of this thing,

YouTube

youtu.be

That said hes talking in terms of ministoa. I'm not a lawyer/offering advice, but should that concept apply in Texas funimation has by far the weakest case against them.