Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[RodgerDodger]

I mean, all I'm saying is that if I was a scumbag lawyer with a shit client the only strategy I could come up with to make this problem go away for my clients would be to bleed the opposition dry, because I know that my rates are sub-prime compared to the opponents lawyers. Make them go through every ring of civil law hell. It would both give my clients the highest percentage chance of winning (forcing the opposition to bow out) while simultaneously jerking off my clients for every last cent they're worth.

Or, you know, a check bounced and the lawyer didn't give enough of a shit to file on time. I mean, who the fuck knows at this point.

But even for that, this is a shit strategy. At least from MoRonica’s point of view. Monica and Vic are thought to be sitting on roughly equivalent personal asset pools. On top of that Vic is sitting on a 6 digit donated crowd funded legal war chest. The war of attrition will bleed out Monica and Ron first. You need to be substantially better capitalized then your opposing litigant to make that a sane strategy. MoRonica will start feeling financial pain before Vic taps a dime of his savings. It’s just how the math works.

And even with that, this remains a truly stupid way to enact that plan. You want to stall and drive up costs? Step 1, don’t give your opponent an instant win button.

Still, there were plenty of things to try first. Filings for extension, TCPA, ... you don't just default. That's ... incredibly dumb.

Basically if the defendant doesn't file any response prior to the deadline, the complainant can file for a default judgement. This means that the court has to make a judgement based only on the evidence and claims which were made in the initial complaint. If the complainant had any case at all, and the defendant didn't even bother to provide any contrary evidence or arguments, then the complainant wins by default.

Yeah... they would likely still be deposed as witnesses in the case against FUNimation and Jamie Marchi.

It looks like there's precedent, but it's rather interesting.

Texas Court Answers: 10:00 a.m. Means 10:00 a.m. by David Coale of LTPC

It looks like there has to be a good reason; the apparent reasoning was "a lack of willfulness by the defendant, a lack of prejudice to the plaintiff, and meritorious defenses."

Would they be so generous to a defendant who has been pulling obvious shenanigans trying to block the plaintiff's discovery process? I guess there's only one way to find out, and that is wait...

I see some major problems looming for Casey and MoRonica if this is the case. You can pass off a blown filing date as a calendar fuck up. The Judge will probably be merciful. But Casey was actively engaged with the case on Friday. He has statements before the court proclaiming that his clients are active in this process and making their wishes known. All that shit from last week is sitting in front of the Judge already. And now this? The Defendants and their lawyer have communicated to the plaintiff and the court that they fully intend to continue a non stop shitstorm of defamation throughout the trial. They do not appear to be engaging in anything resembling good faith from the very start. I’m not sure that the Judge will be inclined to be especially merciful?

This is like trying to force a delay at trial by steering your car into oncoming traffic. I suspect BHB will wait until tomorrow before filing for a default judgement. Even if something shows up late today Ty and BHBH will make them fight for it. Why not, they already have a motions hearing scheduled?

 

[boulderblundermatt90]

Then Ty Beard can refuel the Pain Train until these idiots learn.

depending on how this goes, ty could go full merch merchant and rather than charge vic just use him for merch in exchange for legal practice. at this point, it'd be hilarious and legally would work (maybe texas has tight laws on how lawyers are paid but in general as long as lawyers aren't banging clients for law advice its between clients and lawyers).

 

[Slab Bulkhead]

I swear if MoRon end up defaulting because they didn't even answer it's going to be both simultaneously hilarious and disappointing. They pose themselves to be some hardassed toughguy in a movie and right before the showdown between them and the protagonist they get hit by a train from nowhere.

That said, for these two it's probably the only course of action they had that would save them any face in the industry. Fork over 250k each, go on with their lives. If they settled, it's basically them admitting their fault. If they go to court and lose (most likely case) again it basically destroys their reputation. If they do -nothing- they can arguably shift all the blame on Casey for them defaulting and that they themselves didn't actually do anything wrong.

They probably believe this gets them out of being deposed but since they're both considered agents of Funimation, they may still have to testify why their statements weren't defamatory since they were the core antagonists and the lawsuit itself is still ongoing.

 

[NQ 952]

But even for that, this is a shit strategy. At least from MoRonica’s point of view. Monica and Vic are thought to be sitting on roughly equivalent personal asset pools. On top of that Vic is sitting on a 6 digit donated crowd funded legal war chest. The war of attrition will bleed out Monica and Ron first. You need to be substantially better capitalized then your opposing litigant to make that a sane strategy. MoRonica will start feeling financial pain before Vic taps a dime of his savings. It’s just how the math works.

And even with that, this remains a truly stupid way to enact that plan. You want to stall and drive up costs? Step 1, don’t give your opponent an instant win button.

But it's not an instant win button, and I'm under the impression that MoRo's lawyer costs less than the beard. IDK, I don't really follow this stuff. I only know a default judgement really don't mean shit unless they really just decide to ignore everything.

 

[AnOminous]

But it's not an instant win button, and I'm under the impression that MoRo's lawyer costs less than the beard. IDK, I don't really follow this stuff. I only know a default judgement really don't mean shit unless they really just decide to ignore everything.

This is more likely to be an embarrassment, even assuming they've actually defaulted, which I won't believe until the judge actually says it, or the clerk enters a default on the docket. It's generally a cheesy move to jump right on a default the instant it happens and isn't likely to work, as unless it prejudices some party for something to be a couple hours late, normal deadlines are missed all the time and defaults are set aside.

Courts are supposed to do justice, not reward gotcha games.

 

[Nontransferable]

It would be a mistake to think that their lawyer didn't do this on purpose. If there's a way he can miss the deadline and get away with it, he will.

 

[Hallstein995]

no that won't work.when vic wins this lawsuit i expect a shit ton of outrage.kickvic will be there boycotting every con he goes to until this escalate furthers, i expect there to be more security measures for Vic's safety.

I'm not so sure about that. Kickvic is mostly dead by this point. All sjw outrage movements have a very low shelf life, hence why we haven't heard any of the dem nominees answer questions about Kavanaugh. Most of the people who jumped on the KickVic bandwagon are spineless welches who go their utilization out of trashing him and moved onto the next topic.

 

[NQ 952]

This is more likely to be an embarrassment, even assuming they've actually defaulted, which I won't believe until the judge actually says it, or the clerk enters a default on the docket. It's generally a cheesy move to jump right on a default the instant it happens and isn't likely to work, as unless it prejudices some party for something to be a couple hours late, normal deadlines are missed all the time and defaults are set aside.

Courts are supposed to do justice, not reward gotcha games.

Oh ... so it's not actually a default judgement yet?

Man, I hate this weeb wars shit. Everyone is way too hyped to bandwagon on any ounce of potential news.

 

[some_crazy]

Seeing what can be done with automated twitter reading, this file contains the last ~3000 tweets from each of Rial, Marchi and Marzgurl as at this morning in a searchable format, link to the tweet, who posted it and the text.

Not sure how useful this is for anything but seeing all the one at a time snipping I thought I'd try doing it on mass,

 

[RodgerDodger]

But it's not an instant win button, and I'm under the impression that MoRo's lawyer costs less than the beard. IDK, I don't really follow this stuff. I only know a default judgement really don't mean shit unless they really just decide to ignore everything.

They’ve just handed the Plaintiff a viable motion for “instant win” by failing to respond. It doesn’t mean it will happen, but it does put MoRonica into an uncomfortable position. They now have to argue why a default should not be issued. Betting everything on a judges mercy regarding your screw ups is a truly lousy strategy. And there is no possible benefit to this. The only thing I can see is maybe fail to respond, let BHBH establish conspiracy, which means Funimation takes the judgement payout hit, under the assumption Funimation is never going to try and shake it out of you? Which once again seems moronic.

I’m betting that a response shows up just under the wire at close of business today. On the bet that the Judge will allow it. It still seems like an idiots errand. An unforced error that gains you no benefits and pisses off the Judge.

 

[AnOminous]

Oh ... so it's not actually a default judgement yet?

Man, I hate this weeb wars shit. Everyone is way too hyped to bandwagon on any ounce of potential news.

A default only matters if one of the parties actually makes a motion based on it. A party can also request that the clerk note a default in the record so that a notice gets put on the docket. Then after a motion on it, it may become an actual default judgment.

 

[GRB86]

You don't have forever to do that. You can't just sit on a libel case. In Texas, you have only a year.

Yeah clock it ticking, but, by laying out a campaign to run one from the other discovery can be uncovered and then rolled to the next. For instance, Comms from Mo-ron and Marchie and Funi could pull in Armzgurl, Giamodo etc etc. And now that BHBH is representing Matsuri -

And that's the beauty of Kamehacon's promotion of Rial's little sadcon. Every con got the subtext of "This is what Monica Rial does, would you like to deal with this?", without any private communication between the cons. Any competent social media marketer is going to spend at least some time out of their week eyeballing their competition. They all saw KC's announcement.


Kickvic are cosplayers. Cosplayers aren't customers, they're decoration.

Wannabe hangerson, what do they bring, pics...

 

[Monkey Prick]

I swear if MoRon end up defaulting because they didn't even answer it's going to be both simultaneously hilarious and disappointing. They pose themselves to be some hardassed toughguy in a movie and right before the showdown between them and the protagonist they get hit by a train from nowhere.

That said, for these two it's probably the only course of action they had that would save them any face in the industry. Fork over 250k each, go on with their lives. If they settled, it's basically them admitting their fault. If they go to court and lose (most likely case) again it basically destroys their reputation. If they do -nothing- they can arguably shift all the blame on Casey for them defaulting and that they themselves didn't actually do anything wrong.

They probably believe this gets them out of being deposed but since they're both considered agents of Funimation, they may still have to testify why their statements weren't defamatory since they were the core antagonists and the lawsuit itself is still ongoing.

People keep throwing around the 250k figure like it means anything at all, the 1 million dollars stated on the papers is just the minimum you need to put on the papers. That's not the exact amount Vic is likely to get in any judgement in his favour. If they have defaulted then they're likely looking at financial ruination which is what they deserve, which is why I think this has to be another Casey shit stirring tactic. I just can see how anyone with more than 2 braincells would purposely ignore a deadline without having another card to play.

 

[Slab Bulkhead]

People keep throwing around the 250k figure like it means anything at all, the 1 million dollars stated on the papers is just the minimum you need to put on the papers. That's not the exact amount Vic is likely to get in any judgement in his favour. If they have defaulted then they're likely looking at financial ruination which is what they deserve, which is why I think this has to be another Casey shit stirring tactic. I just can see how anyone with more than 2 braincells would purposely ignore a deadline without having another card to play.

People (like me) are likely throwing around the 250k figure as just a baseline of the 1 mil since we don't know whether the final award will be higher or greater, and that it's a nice round number to just tack on. After all the tom-fuckery going on with this court, and clear indication that Rial and Toye, at least, intend to continue the smear campaign the court could add on some -heavy- punitive damages as an extra middle finger to the defendants. Or it could come to be that the actual damages aren't as high and the reward is smaller. For all intents and purposes the 250k is just a placeholder amount.

 

[RodgerDodger]

People keep throwing around the 250k figure like it means anything at all, the 1 million dollars stated on the papers is just the minimum you need to put on the papers. That's not the exact amount Vic is likely to get in any judgement in his favour. If they have defaulted then they're likely looking at financial ruination which is what they deserve, which is why I think this has to be another Casey shit stirring tactic. I just can see how anyone with more than 2 braincells would purposely ignore a deadline without having another card to play.

I don’t rule out that Casey blew the deadline because he is still falling down drunk following his last conversation with RonRon.

 

[Empty Donation Box]

Seeing what can be done with automated twitter reading, this file contains the last ~3000 tweets from each of Rial, Marchi and Marzgurl as at this morning in a searchable format, link to the tweet, who posted it and the text.

Not sure how useful this is for anything but seeing all the one at a time snipping I thought I'd try doing it on mass,

Neat, I tried the same thing with Jarvee and I didn't like how it turned out. What are you using for that?

 

[some_crazy]

Neat, I tried the same thing with Jarvee and I didn't like how it turned out. What are you using for that?

NodeJS and Puppetteer, output as a csv file then used google docs to convert it into a pdf as that seemed a bit neater.

I had also hoped to include piping the tweets straight to archive.fo but it doesn't seem to like receiving more than about 20 requests in quick succession.

I think I should be able to make the output a little nicer by splitting some of the details (like the user name and like counts etc. out of the content box - I'll look at doing that then may share the code.

 

[Lone Outsider]

Who wants to bet that MoRonica fired their Super Lawyer over the weekend, when he couldn’t deliver on the promise of never having to face deposition?

If this isn’t the case then what would be considered good cause to ignore the default and extend the deadline? Your Honor we were too busy trying to play games and trap the Plaintiff into an embarrassing one sided deposition, to use for greater defamation, to be bothered answering the actual primary case. Clearly this is the Plaintiff’s fault for filing so much evidence and examples of our bad behavior!

It's no one but their own fault, they made over 400+ defamatory tweets/statements and thought that they could still apply the laws of the court of public opinion.I am sorry but when you are this fucking retarded and braindead Even a shitty lawyer that plays by your rules is gonna have a low opinion of them

There's apparently some loophole that technically gives them until midnight. Keep watching.

I honestly want them to fuck up and miss out on a whole nights sleep, besides I feel the need to drink some PULL sadist juice, distilled, purified and free of delusions.

They could be trying to bleed Vic dry, I know the average going rate at BHBH is $400 an hour. But it seems dumb to try and bleed someone out if they've already got 150k+ sitting in a warchest, that doesn't even factor in Nick's mysterious private donation and however much that was.

These ain't that people that can even hope to bleed Vic dry apart from FUNI.

no that won't work.when vic wins this lawsuit i expect a shit ton of outrage.kickvic will be there boycotting every con he goes to until this escalate furthers, i expect there to be more security measures for Vic's safety.

Given that Ty has been retained by Vic, Todd, Tug, Bullfrog, and now Anime Matzuri, you can bet your ass that Ty will be there to put any boycott down. It's clear that a possible cleaning of the entertainment industry is about to happen if the stars align.

 

[Monkey Prick]

I don’t rule out that Casey blew the deadline because he is still falling down drunk following his last conversation with RonRon.

Does seem rather exceptional to miss the deadline, but considering Casey's opening salvo was to fuck with Ty and Vic and there was nothing hinting at an extention being asked it does seem like he loves running the gambit. Perhaps Ron and Monica really did drop him after he couldn't deliver on whatever it was he promised them, but surely he'd give a heads up to Ty that he was no longer representing them and to direct all further communications elsewhere.

I'm going to go with him just fucking around to try and annoy Ty some more, looks like MoRon really did shop around for the perfect lawyer for them.

 

[UA 674]

My guess is, there were two possible reasons for this. A) Soye and Rial simply didn't have the funds to keep up their charade and simply said fuck it. B) They are hoping to prevent any further evidence from becoming public so defaulting would simply result in speculation and save some face (?) with their cult followers.

Either way, it's fucking exceptional and they've had months to prepare for these scenarios.