Carlos Maza / @gaywonk versus Steven Blake Crowder / @scrowder (#VoxAdpocalypse) - Twitter war between a Canadian in nationality and a Canadian in behavior

5t3n0g0ph3r said:
On an additional note, it's not just that Maza went after Crowder, he went after Crowder while Crowder lives and produces his show in Texas.
If this was against Shapiro, this trashfire might have ended up in a California court as both Shapiro and Maza live there.
But since Crowder is in Texas, this changes a certain dynamic on how this trashfire might escalate.
Anyone following Meyer v. Waid or Mignogna v. Funimation et al might recognize the potential of this becoming a lawsuit based on Tortious Interference with Business Prospect Relations.
Granted, there's the Anti-SLAPP motion that needs to be addressed as well as the issue of jurisdiction.
But if these issues are cleared, prepare for some serious mooing from lolcows across the internet.
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Oh wow, I forgot that Crowder is in Texas. We actually may get to see a lawsuit come out of this. Sweet.
 
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mindlessobserver said:
More broadly though, I don't think Conservative political theory has really grappled well with the idea that there could conceivably be privately owned organizations that possess equivalent power to the Government. Or in some cases even exceed government power.
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From a 1776 perspective it makes it easier to water the tree of liberty. That's really the only positive to this being done by corporations instead of the gov't.
Replace the crossbow in this stunt with one of those shockwave shotguns and a tech company would be suddenly short someone very important.
 
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Semper Fi faggots:

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Well, at least they’re striking while the iron is hot:

 
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mindlessobserver said:
Especially for conservatives. Lord knows if this was happening to liberals during the Obama years action would have been swift and immediate. In a way its the actions of an evil genius to use conservative beliefs against them. Watching Ben Shapiro go through mental contortions to come up with some way to counter what Silicon Valley is doing that doesn't violate capitalist and limited government principles is amusing, but also frustrating. Because there isn't a solution from those areas. Nobody is going to make competition for Youtube, and nobody is going to make competition for Visa and Mastercard.

More broadly though, I don't think Conservative political theory has really grappled well with the idea that there could conceivably be privately owned organizations that possess equivalent power to the Government. Or in some cases even exceed government power. The information Google and Amazon possess on every American citizen would probably make the FBI and NSA blush, and also lead to massive congressional investigations/political scandals if it turned out they did have that information and were using it actively. Hell, people flipped their shit when Snowden revealed the NSA was saving everyone's Emails. Yet that is what Google does every day with Gmail, and its tame by comparison to what the internet Cookie system run by and shared between all these companies does. Hell, Amazon now has little spy machines in millions of American homes. Just ask Alexa if she is always listening. You get a corporate disclaimer response. (it is).

The power these companies hold is so great that if Google, Visa/Mastercard, Amazon and Apple got together and decided they would implement a similar system to the Chinese Communist Parties social credit system, they would be able to do it. And worse, they would be able to ENFORCE it. Without any action needed by the government. That is a frightening amount of power.
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It's a balance.
You gotta make sure these laws are effective, but can't be abused by the guys who get into power after you "commit suicide" by shooting yourself in the back 5 times.
 
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Said it before, will say it again: creeps like Maza confuse political punditry/activism with personal therapy. They have immense emotional investment in their ideologies and causes, and take any sort of opposition or criticism of them, or their representations of the same, as personal affronts. Such "thick-skinned" individuals inevitably fight back in the most vindictive ways possible, up to and including appealing to huge corporations and the State to heal their hurt feelings by destroying the careers and/or lives of opponents.
(I'd add something about this behavior being stereotypically mean-queen viciousness, but that would be homophobic.)
 
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Never have I seen so many absolute galaxy brains come out at once.

I keep hearing this retarded argument that calling people names online is the same thing as harassment.

As well as the notion that milkshaking people is good when they have bad politics.


And this beautifully spicy take:

 
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Empty Donation Box said:
From a 1776 perspective it makes it easier to water the tree of liberty. That's really the only positive to this being done by corporations instead of the gov't.
Replace the crossbow in this stunt with one of those shockwave shotguns and a tech company would be suddenly short someone very important.
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Which is why government intervention is necessary IMO. American society is conditioned to assume that its rights are inalienable and to be defended. People often ignore just what that means. It doesn't just mean protesting, writing angry letters or giving money to political causes. Defending your rights is an implicit threat of violence. The thing is we live in a society where we all agree its a bad idea for people to go around shooting other people so we give the Government a near total monopoly on violence. The give in that take however is that we expect the Government to defend our rights on our behalf. And for the most part it has done a pretty good job of it. Been bumps along the road, no system is perfect, but when it comes to your right to speak freely you are allowed to say your piece on a public sidewalk and if anyone beats you over the head with a bike lock for it they will usually get arrested.

The corrolary to that however is if the Government sits by and lets a right get trampled on violence is not simply a possibility, its an inevitability. Hell, one crazy lady shot up Youtube because her shitty dance videos got demonetized. And that was not big bucks. Youtube is fucking with peoples money and are doing it in a morally reprehensible way. When combines with all the other shenanigans silicon valley is doing and what far left activists are demanding its a recipe for disaster.
 
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Ma Wang said:
Why are they even negotiating with these people? They'd be easier to replace than the workers at an Amazon distribution center.
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Goku 1000000 O said:
I still don't see how Carlos fucking with Youtube gives him leverage.
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SJWs think (and they’re not entirely wrong) that victim-status = leverage. If they win it will be a big victory for them.
 
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Ma Wang said:
Why are they even negotiating with these people? They'd be easier to replace than the workers at an Amazon distribution center.
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No matter who they hire they will get the same issues. Anyone looking to work for Vox is almost certainly ideologically inline with what they preach, but then learn its not in line with their practices. They're a company that shills marxism, thats blatant cognitive dissonance. You end up with Marxists working their to try and profit off all the Che Guevara, Apple, and Starbucks fans but when you hire nothing but those people they might actually do something in a concentrated mass.
 
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mindlessobserver said:
Especially for conservatives. Lord knows if this was happening to liberals during the Obama years action would have been swift and immediate. In a way its the actions of an evil genius to use conservative beliefs against them. Watching Ben Shapiro go through mental contortions to come up with some way to counter what Silicon Valley is doing that doesn't violate capitalist and limited government principles is amusing, but also frustrating. Because there isn't a solution from those areas. Nobody is going to make competition for Youtube, and nobody is going to make competition for Visa and Mastercard.

More broadly though, I don't think Conservative political theory has really grappled well with the idea that there could conceivably be privately owned organizations that possess equivalent power to the Government. Or in some cases even exceed government power. The information Google and Amazon possess on every American citizen would probably make the FBI and NSA blush, and also lead to massive congressional investigations/political scandals if it turned out they did have that information and were using it actively. Hell, people flipped their shit when Snowden revealed the NSA was saving everyone's Emails. Yet that is what Google does every day with Gmail, and its tame by comparison to what the internet Cookie system run by and shared between all these companies does. Hell, Amazon now has little spy machines in millions of American homes. Just ask Alexa if she is always listening. You get a corporate disclaimer response. (it is).

The power these companies hold is so great that if Google, Visa/Mastercard, Amazon and Apple got together and decided they would implement a similar system to the Chinese Communist Parties social credit system, they would be able to do it. And worse, they would be able to ENFORCE it. Without any action needed by the government. That is a frightening amount of power.
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Youtube is able to maintain a monopoly because it is not competing in a market; loss-leaders are enabled when the government doesn't break up shit companies like google.
 
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A couple issues with that. Carlos isn't trying to get rid advertisers, he's virute signaling for attention and to fuck with someone he doesn't like. Also, nothing he's lobbied for or done actually hurts Vox. He's not driving away advertisers, he's getting Youtube to clamp down harder. That keeps advertisers more than anything really.

I think you're mistaking Carlos leveraging advertiser optics against Youtube as a goal, when its just a means to an end.
 
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