Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Grotesque Bushes]

Her not having money doesn't make her immune; it means that she'll be stuck with liens on her property and either living with wrecked credit or having to declare bankruptcy.

At least I assume this is the case. I'm no expert.

Personal bankruptcy may not help if they're guilty of tortoise inheritance.
A surprisingly enjoyable article on bankruptcy and torts.


@Captain Manning Get well soon, cunt.

 

[Jub-Jub]

Plz no dethflags.


Yo I remember that story. Secondhand Lions, I think, and since Travis is kind of a big dude Duvall thought he was a stunt double and laid a punch into him.

EDIT: In case anyone's wondering what me and Manning are referring to.

Oh shit, I never knew Travis was in that movie. Secondhand lions is awesome and one of the few movies that I'd pretty much always watch if i noticed it was on TV. I give it a recommend if anybody hasn't seen it, maybe my 2nd best fun Robert Duvall movie after falling down.

 

[theworstkindofeurofag]

Just popping by here again to wish @Captain Manning a speedy and full recovery. God bless ya.

 

[Bootylicious Bootyhole]

Bootylicious smacks the nail right on the head as to how I've been feeling. I'd agree to disagree with Vic with my con friends; I get why people hate him. But if I expressed a contrary opinion, at best, they'd ghost me. At worst, they would "cancel" me.

EXACTLY, Fap! You're walking on eggshells constantly and the minute they smell "dissent" on you, you get slapped with labels ranging from endorising homo/trans phobias, catering to racist ideologies, paedophile sympathizer, or rape apologist, if not accused of those very things directly no matter how baseless those claims are, especially when you can provide written and pictorial evidence to the contrary.

Ad Hominem Well-Poisoning is, in my humble and ultimately meaningless opinion, one of the more heinous and unforgivable tactics any group can commit against an individual. It doesnt matter if there is ZERO evidence for the claim; they need only say the claim just loud enough to enough people to hear it in order to plant the seed of distrust and rumor that will spread like weeds through the community, and before you know it, half the town believes the target enjoys diddling kids and roofying unsuspecting women on the weekends, and they will have to live with being perceived that way for the rest of their lives.

It's a more potent and far more insidious strain of the Gish Gallop (which it can overlap with if abused enough); whereas one places your target on the defensive by overwhelming them with an insurmountable level of frivolous bullshit that they will then waste time and effort by going out of their way trying to debunk and defend against and making them seem "weak" to those perceiving the attack from the outside, the other attacks with surgical precision and terrible power with one swift stroke, causing everyone in the blast radius to immediately question the moral character of the target, and even retain that uncertainty long after the target's name has been cleared, by preying on humanity's most deeply held senses of moral insecurity. If someone is influenced to believe someone is a predator, they will automatically fear for their safety and the safety of their loved ones; they'll imagine the target doing these things and it triggers survival instinct alarm bells in the most basal lobes of that little lizard brain in the back of our heads. Even if shown exonerating evidence to the contrary, the thought still lingers, for they think "Geez... surely that accusation was made for a reason, right? What don't I know? Did this guy just game the legal system and buy his way out of getting convicted? Cant be TOO cautious, ya know!"

The damage is done... forever. Period. End of story. Do not pass GO. Do not collect $200.... You're done.

Trust me, when these people want someone gone, "cancelled" if you will, they'll try their absolute goddamnedest to ensure that happens by ANY means necessary, and sometimes that is as simple as just whispering into the right ear then sit back and watch as the dominoes start falling.

How the hell did it come to this? NOBODY, be it an individual and especially not a mob, should EVER be allowed to have that level of power where they can end someone's livelihood overnight with a single sentence.

As a bit of words to the wise, does it matter? I'm not trying to be an ass but if you and your friends stand on opposite sides that doesn't mean you can't be friends. I know KickVic people but we are not enemies at all. It's simply a disagreement.

I apologize. I should have clarified; I certainly DO want to remain friends with these particular individuals and cherish the moments I spend with them and the conversations we share. In an ideal world, this would be an irrelevant non-issue and we would chug along like normal as if nothing ever happened.

The sad part is, they enjoy our friendship also, but I know damn well that, having seen the same fate happen to others, that I would find myself on the receiving end of woke Kool-Aid drinking exceptionalism should I, in a moment of weakness, let any word about my affiliation of choice come to be known.

In the meantime, just gotta sit down, shut up, fly under the radar and enjoy the shitshow from the sidelines.

 

[Eyeshield]

New guy here. I've actually been following the weeb war stuff ever since it came out in February by complete random chance. After I came upon Nick's streams there was no way in hell I was going back. I was down this rabbit hole for good. I only came upon the farms a few days ago though, and I'm just reveling in how this developed to a bunch of dudes wondering what the hell happened with Vic Mignona to being at the forefront in helping him stay in his job, stay happy and possibly even sane and alive. People weren't joking when this was like an anime. It's a fucking character development arc with more twists and turns than most people could ever dream of. It's fantastic.

That said, with the whole DDoS attack and possible crap heading for kiwifarms ways, I just gotta ask how many backups the archive logs have? Does anyone else have access? Don't give that shit to me, I'm just making sure.

 

[ThanosBoiYeet]

So I found the ppl that were effected by this so if you wanna question them along with senpai go ahead idk the full context to the people affected so ya.
SereneStorm87#1848
@LightningDanK#3441(Master Infinity Pods)
@broken Console Studio#8663
@awoooooo#5670

There are another members from what I heard but these are the ones i managed to find

 

[Army Burger]

Akiva Cohen on Twitter: "Then he's likely to be subpoenaed for all of…

archived 13 Jun 2019 14:33:22 UTC

archive.fo

 

[ShinyStar]

Those people who think the fact that Vic's friend is called an Honorary Amazon means she works for BHBH is a stunning example of how those people don't know what they're talking about. She was a friend of Vic's. She has been supporting him through the case. That impressed BHBH, and they gave her an honorary nickname as a result. That's not the same as her representing them, being an employee or anything else. These people don't understand how the real world works...

So if we all call Mike Dunford a child raping pedo over and over, it's true and he can do nothing about it.
If we call Gibson's Barkery racist over and over again and print shit like that, it's true and they can do nothing about it.

Eat a bowl of dicks.

On Nick's stream he talked about a case where a MN police officer got the nickname of 'Mike the Pedo' and everyone in his town called him that and he eventually sued someone who wrote about him and his nickname in a blog for defamation and won. That pretty clearly suggests that simply having a reputation doesn't mean people can't defame you. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRWsrGzZ8D4 - around the 26 minute mark)

Also, this claim is where utter lack of knowledge about the details of the case means that people saying things that might be true in general sound like idiots because they don't apply to the situation at hand. Funimation's defamation wasn't 'Vic's been called a creep' or 'Vic's a bad man.' They didn't repeat rumors, they made a specific statement suggesting that he'd been fired for sexual misconduct. That's new and different than previous gossip.

Same with Toye. He said there were going to be criminal charges against Vic. Different than previous gossip. He said four of his friends were assaulted and 100+ women were going to come forward. Even if Vic couldn't win on him saying things like 'Vic's a predator,' or 'Vic is a sex pest,' then those other statements should still be actionable. That's not repeating previous gossip - that's coming up with something new.

Also, if all those other rumors were so prevalent and so believed and not just seen as angsty teen gossip, why did Vic have a successful career and dozens of Con invitations a year right up to the point where the defendants and their co-horts started 'repeating' the rumors this year? Kinda think that matters...

That tweet chain is like a victim support group for cows, but honestly I can't remember 90% of them including the rainbow haired freak in the OP. We've now reached the point where it's not good enough to just accuse people of sexual assualt, but now you must blame entire websites for that sexual assault.

The pace at which the twitterosphere is accelerating these precious little flowers will burn themselves out and outrage culture and cancel culture will hit critical mass.

I'm pretty sure that Contrarian is advertising that they're creating a conspiracy to commit nefarious acts against those they don't like. Seems like other people are desperate to be slapped down by a lawsuit. I'll absolutely be donating more when the time comes for that. These rabid dogs need stopped if we want to enjoy a stable, functioning society.

 

[Doodle]

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Akiva Cohen on Twitter: "Then he's likely to be subpoenaed for all of…

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Cohen acts like this is some type of gotcha. What a fucking chump. Nick was likely well aware months ago that his digital communications with BHBH and/or Vic could be subpoenaed. Now, what type of information would Nick have that is relevant to this case to warrant a subpoena? I guess that's for a judge to determine.

If they want to drag Nick into this as an acting agent they're going to have to hurdle the 20 or 30 times that Nick has publicly stated that he is not associated with Vic in any way or representing him. This is why the league of exceptional spergs on the other side keep repeating ad naueseum easily disproved falsities about Nick's relationship with Vic, in order to allow for the argument that a "reasonable" person would assume that Nick is Vic's agent by pointing to all these people who keep repeating (in bad faith) that Nick is Vic's representative in some way.

 

[Svetlana]

Hey @Svetlana, how does it feel to be associated with a bunch of doxxxxers now?

As long as you guys have pie. There's pie, right? Right??!!

 

[Tipsy Tea Cup]

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So I found the ppl that were effected by this so if you wanna question them along with senpai go ahead idk the full context to the people affected so ya.
SereneStorm87#1848
@LightningDanK#3441(Master Infinity Pods)
@broken Console Studio#8663
@awoooooo#5670

There are another members from what I heard but these are the ones i managed to find

I honestly don't give a shit about some Discord drama. If it bothers him that much, make a video or just release the whole thing. Why someone would waste time pandering to self-important behavior is fucking beyond me.

It was Doucette not Dunford who advised Marz and PM.

Thanks for catching that. I may have had too much whiskey last night.

 

[Eyeshield]

Cohen acts like this is some type of gotcha. What a fucking chump. Nick was likely well aware months ago that his digital communications with BHBH and/or Vic could be subpoenaed. Now, what type of information would Nick have that is relevant to this case to warrant a subpoena? I guess that's for a judge to determine.

If they want to drag Nick into this as an acting agent they're going to have to hurdle the 20 or 30 times that Nick has publicly stated that he is not associated with Vic in any way or representing him. This is why the league of exceptional spergs on the other side keep repeating ad naueseum easily disproved falsities about Nick's relationship with Vic, in order to allow for the argument that a "reasonable" person would assume that Nick is Vic's agent by pointing to all these people who keep repeating (in bad faith) that Nick is Vic's representative in some way.

The only thing I can give as a defense is that Nick actually doesn't make any money off of Vic and has no familial or business relation with him, while Ron is actually engaged to a Funimation employee is apparently has access to privileged information in a private investigation.

Can somebody give a better argument than me or is that enough to slap it down?

 

[Tipsy Tea Cup]

The only thing I can give as a defense is that Nick actually doesn't make any money off of Vic and has no familial or business relation with him, while Ron is actually engaged to a Funimation employee is apparently has access to privileged information in a private investigation.

Can somebody give a better argument than me or is that enough to slap it down?

Nick does not have a direct client relationship with Vic nor is he offering legal advice, so he can say whatever he pleases. His name is also not on the IOLTA account, so he can't take money from it, nor can he donate directly to it.

Imagine doing things the proper and legal way and discussing with GFM so fraud is impossible.

These people are so stupid they still think Nick is representing Vic and making money off of it with merchandise. How exceptional.

 

[UA 674]

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So I found the ppl that were effected by this so if you wanna question them along with senpai go ahead idk the full context to the people affected so ya.
SereneStorm87#1848
@LightningDanK#3441(Master Infinity Pods)
@broken Console Studio#8663
@awoooooo#5670

There are another members from what I heard but these are the ones i managed to find

I don't give a shit. I just got annoyed with the attention whore behavior, we're already actually doing shit about the other faggots.

 

[Eyeshield]

Nick does not have a direct client relationship with Vic nor is he offering legal advice, so he can say whatever he pleases. His name is also not on the IOLTA account, so he can't take money from it, nor can he donate directly to it.

Imagine doing things the proper and legal way and discussing with GFM so fraud is impossible.

These people are so stupid they still think Nick is representing Vic and making money off of it with merchandise. How exceptional.

Oh my God I just spouted off what I knew off the top of my head and I'm like, 70% right already.

Dear Christ.

 

[k35LR2]

Nick has repeatedly said he is not an agent of Vic or Ty. Ty has also said publicly that Nick is not a agent or public representative of BHBH or Vic. The difference being with Ron and Funi is that Funi never refuted or disavowed Ron when he heavily implied or stated that he was an agent of Funimation.

 

[Notspecialdude]

Cohen acts like this is some type of gotcha. What a fucking chump. Nick was likely well aware months ago that his digital communications with BHBH and/or Vic could be subpoenaed. Now, what type of information would Nick have that is relevant to this case to warrant a subpoena? I guess that's for a judge to determine.

If they want to drag Nick into this as an acting agent they're going to have to hurdle the 20 or 30 times that Nick has publicly stated that he is not associated with Vic in any way or representing him. This is why the league of exceptional spergs on the other side keep repeating ad naueseum easily disproved falsities about Nick's relationship with Vic, in order to allow for the argument that a "reasonable" person would assume that Nick is Vic's agent by pointing to all these people who keep repeating (in bad faith) that Nick is Vic's representative in some way.

While their methods are exceptionally stupid, I at least understand their motives. Nick plays a pivotal by directly reviewing the court documents on stream. Never before has a legal lawsuit on the internet gotten this thorough of an examination by a legitimate legal counsel. Why do you think every member of kick know nick? Why all the defendant parties know nick.

It's their worst case opponent. A qualified expert whose political opposed, who's money they can't touch, and who's professional reputation they can't damage. When they do this, all I see is a pitiful group scraping, clawing, and flailing on the hope they could make the person they hate bleed in some way as punishment for crossing them.

 

[Tour of Italy]

Same with Toye. He said there were going to be criminal charges against Vic. Different than previous gossip. He said four of his friends were assaulted and 100+ women were going to come forward. Even if Vic couldn't win on him saying things like 'Vic's a predator,' or 'Vic is a sex pest,' then those other statements should still be actionable. That's not repeating previous gossip - that's coming up with something new

You could make a decent argument about how simply calling someone a pedo or a predator is an insult and an opinion.

It’s different to call someone a predator AND say:
1) He is too dangerous to be at conventions
2) Legal action or workplace discipline is being/should be taken as a result

Those additional statements bear considerable more weight and indicate that the person making them is stating them as fact. That’s the heart of the defamation argument; bald clout-chasing idiot lawyers take note.

The fact that Vic lost work as a result of these statements shows that even if they weren’t meant as fact, they were taken as such. I’m not 100% sure if this alone means defamation, but I’m willing to bet it doesn’t fucking help.

 

[Basil II]

A bit of a random interjection,
but my god... Sean Schemmel is a twat.

He doesn't post much on twitter in general, but his likes are full of anti-Vic stuff, plus he follows Douchette now it seems.
Of all the characters involved in this, he seems like he would be most bothered by Vic's popularity and religious views.

Sean Schemmel is an absolute idiot, he has a massive ego despite being the shittiest actor in Funimation (Watch original DBZ Namek saga, I could fucking act better than that) I have no doubt in my mind that he's part of the Iago, Igor, and Renfield thing, dude's a massive fucking sped. What's sad is I actually like his voice, he just has no fucking talent.

Here Sean Schemmel spergs out at TeamFourStar for daring to make jokes about his precious show. He also says it's illegal which anyone who understands even the slightest thing about copyright law knows it's not (especially when TFS doesn't even monetize it). This also tells us he has basically no understanding of law in general.

He also got the guy who played Goku in the Ocean dub banned from a convention because how dare anyone else play Goku. It's sad when a fucking 80 year old woman does a better job of playing a hot blooded young man than this soy drinker.

He's probably Igor, what a fucking doofus.

 

[Doodle]

The only thing I can give as a defense is that Nick actually doesn't make any money off of Vic and has no familial or business relation with him, while Ron is actually engaged to a Funimation employee is apparently has access to privileged information in a private investigation.

Can somebody give a better argument than me or is that enough to slap it down?

Imagine you are a steakhouse owner who buys local meat from a Butcher's Guild and one of the local butchers is a guy who owns the store Vic's Fillet Mignon. All of a sudden some guy in a suit comes in and starts talking about a secret, serious investigation that only Butcher's Guild members would know about. He talks to you about how they are investigating whether Vic has been selling horsemeat and fucking the steaks before selling them. He tells you the serious consequences of continuing to do business with Vic, threatens not to sell you any of his product (and hints that nobody else will either) if you continue to do business with Vic, and then gives you his card. You look him up and he is talking with a bunch of Butcher's guild members about supposedly private information about this investigation on social media. Furthermore, the Butcher's Guild social media never once mentions that the guy who gave you his card is not actually affiliated with them.

At some point the Butcher's guild says they have cut ties with Vic's Fillet Mignon "following an investigation" and won't do business with him any more. They then state "part of our core mission is to ensure that the meat we sell to local businesses is the highest quality it can be" and then state "Furthermore, we do not condone fucking meat before trying to sell it".

Then some local barber named Rick Malayda gets wind of this and starts talking about it to his customers because Vic is a valued member of the community and a lot of people pitch in to help Vic fight this by hiring a local attorney TY Mustache.