Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Army Burger]

So this is why Shame came back and went on a spreg spee yesterday, to tell us all just how Vic is done and lost the case becasue now they have a lawyer that does TCPA and gay ops are afoot.

With all of these lawyers, it's super exceptional gay ops.

 

[Beavis]

Please God let this happen

Let's say they do pull this shit. Does it even matter? A lot of people have said they want to fight this case on social media, but everyone that is following it already has an opinion and barring Vic saying he raped multiple women during his depo I don't think many opinions are going to change on this niche case. Vic isn't going to fold at this point and they're just delaying the inevitable while racking up tens of thousands in legal fees.

 

[Hexadecimal]

Let's say they do pull this shit. Does it even matter? A lot of people have said they want to fight this case on social media, but everyone that is following it already has an opinion and barring Vic saying he raped multiple women during his depo I don't think many opinions are going to change on this niche case. Vic isn't going to fold at this point and they're just delaying the inevitable while racking up tens of thousands in legal fees.

In the court of changing people's opinions? No. It doesn't matter. It matters in the context of the case because BHBH called this play from the very beginning and the judge didn't seem too friendly towards the potential of such a motion being filed. Based on what Dodger said about my first post, and he knows more about this than I do, simply paying a new lawyer to do something that your current lawyer said he wouldn't do, would not fly with most judges. Especially after the Interro, Ch11 bullshit from last week.

 

[Harvey Danger]

Nick speculated that the reason Casey didn't file the TCPA right away and was hoping to fish for soundbites in Vic's depo is that his case could be seen as so anemic that the judge might look at the TCPA motion, see they have no defense, and just go straight to damages, but the 90 day discovery stay would hopefully wear Vic down enough to get him to settle, ignoring he's the defendant and Vic has little reason to NOT go in hard and dry.

I'll put my non-lawyering e-peen on the line, and make a Bold Prediction that we will know exactly what's going on based solely on the questions asked today to Vic in deposition.

Questions Casey would ask Vic if he has a solid defense, and just wants details on the record:

1. Vic, are you aware of any complaints registered to cons about your behavior? What were they about?
2. Have you ever been banned from a con before February 2019? If so, why?
3. Has an employer ever investigated you for misconduct? How many times? What was the nature of that misconduct?
4. Has anyone, friend or co-worker, delivered an ultimatum for you to change your ways?

If Vic says Yes to any of these, then there is some fire behind all that Twitter/PULL/Tumblr smoke. Lawyers aren't supposed to ask questions they don't already know the answer to, and if MoRonica is telling the truth, Casey would know about any damning backstory to the "sudden" con bans.

If he says No, then the civil conspiracy and defamation looks incredibly likely.

Questions Casey would ask if he has no defense and is desperate to embarrass Vic during a TCPA period:

1. Vic, have you ever slept with a fan at a con? How many times?
2. How many teenagers have you hugged at cons? How many have you kissed? Were their parents there?
3. Tell us about your infidelity to your fiance.
4. How do you reconcile your flirting and womanizing with your oh-so-righteous Christian beliefs?
5. Why did you issue an apology if you're innocent?
6. Why were you ready to agree to Shane's SUPER SECRET STATEMENT saying that you're the worst sex pest in the universe?

These are the kind of things you could smear Vic with, to cloud the issue so that the tiny number of stories they can source, likely from Monica and her closest friends, sound like the "proof" on top of the innuendo.

Of course Casey could ask all these questions anyway, using the first set as a fishing expedition if his exceptional clients had nothing solid, and he hopes some unknown facts might help him out. I say let's see which areas he focuses on, spends the most time on; that tells us what kind of evidence he's looking to stockpile.

 

[Tour of Italy]

I'll put my non-lawyering e-peen on the line, and make a Bold Prediction that we will know exactly what's going on based solely on the questions asked today to Vic in deposition.

Questions Casey would ask Vic if he has a solid defense, and just wants details on the record:

1. Vic, are you aware of any complaints registered to cons about your behavior? What were they about?
2. Have you ever been banned from a con before February 2019? If so, why?
3. Has an employer ever investigated you for misconduct? How many times? What was the nature of that misconduct?
4. Has anyone, friend or co-worker, delivered an ultimatum for you to change your ways?

If Vic says Yes to any of these, then there is some fire behind all that Twitter/PULL/Tumblr smoke. Lawyers aren't supposed to ask questions they don't already know the answer to, and if MoRonica is telling the truth, Casey would know about any damning backstory to the "sudden" con bans.

If he says No, then the civil conspiracy and defamation looks incredibly likely.

Questions Casey would ask if he has no defense and is desperate to embarrass Vic during a TCPA period:

1. Vic, have you ever slept with a fan at a con? How many times?
2. How many teenagers have you hugged at cons? How many have you kissed? Were their parents there?
3. Tell us about your infidelity to your fiance.
4. How do you reconcile your flirting and womanizing with your oh-so-righteous Christian beliefs?
5. Why did you issue an apology if you're innocent?
6. Why were you ready to agree to Shane's SUPER SECRET STATEMENT saying that you're the worst sex pest in the universe?

These are the kind of things you could smear Vic with, to cloud the issue so that the tiny number of stories they can source, likely from Monica and her closest friends, sound like the "proof" on top of the innuendo.

Of course Casey could ask all these questions anyway, using the first set as a fishing expedition if his exceptional clients had nothing solid, and he hopes some unknown facts might help him out. I say let's see which areas he focuses on, spends the most time on; that tells us what kind of evidence he's looking to stockpile.

Whatever the questions, if we don't have hearsay or straight up leaks about it by this evening, I’ll be beyond shocked.

 

[Francis York Morgan]

Whatever the questions, if we done have hearsay or straight up leaks about it by this evening, I’ll be beyond shocked.

I fully expect Shane to be blasting out "hot takes" from the deposition throughout the evening, regardless of whether or not Ron actually spoke with him (but Ron will because he's an idiot who needs to feel like he's winning).

 

[ThonyTheThaigirl]

I'll put my non-lawyering e-peen on the line, and make a Bold Prediction that we will know exactly what's going on based solely on the questions asked today to Vic in deposition.

Questions Casey would ask Vic if he has a solid defense, and just wants details on the record:

1. Vic, are you aware of any complaints registered to cons about your behavior? What were they about?
2. Have you ever been banned from a con before February 2019? If so, why?
3. Has an employer ever investigated you for misconduct? How many times? What was the nature of that misconduct?
4. Has anyone, friend or co-worker, delivered an ultimatum for you to change your ways?

If Vic says Yes to any of these, then there is some fire behind all that Twitter/PULL/Tumblr smoke. Lawyers aren't supposed to ask questions they don't already know the answer to, and if MoRonica is telling the truth, Casey would know about any damning backstory to the "sudden" con bans.

If he says No, then the civil conspiracy and defamation looks incredibly likely.

Questions Casey would ask if he has no defense and is desperate to embarrass Vic during a TCPA period:

1. Vic, have you ever slept with a fan at a con? How many times?
2. How many teenagers have you hugged at cons? How many have you kissed? Were their parents there?
3. Tell us about your infidelity to your fiance.
4. How do you reconcile your flirting and womanizing with your oh-so-righteous Christian beliefs?
5. Why did you issue an apology if you're innocent?
6. Why were you ready to agree to Shane's SUPER SECRET STATEMENT saying that you're the worst sex pest in the universe?

These are the kind of things you could smear Vic with, to cloud the issue so that the tiny number of stories they can source, likely from Monica and her closest friends, sound like the "proof" on top of the innuendo.

Of course Casey could ask all these questions anyway, using the first set as a fishing expedition if his exceptional clients had nothing solid, and he hopes some unknown facts might help him out. I say let's see which areas he focuses on, spends the most time on; that tells us what kind of evidence he's looking to stockpile.

I expect to hear/see a lot of "object to form" from Vic's side. In every bit of communication so far, the defendants' counsel has CONSTANTLY made statements and arguments that contain assumptions of material fact that aren't apparent in evidence. I'm sure Casey and co. will have some questions aimed at verifying their own personal evidence and maybe seeking to gain a peek at what BHBH has, but I'd be really surprised if a lot of the questions aren't along the lines of attacks on Vic's character and implications of wrongdoing with regards to doxxing victims through KF and such.

 

[Genkoda]

I'd be really surprised if a lot of the questions aren't along the lines of attacks on Vic's character and implications of wrongdoing with regards to doxxing victims through KF and such.

Remember what ty said(paraphrasing here). He will treat them the same way they treat him. If they intend to get dirty like that, I bet he will do the same thing in their deposition.

 

[ThonyTheThaigirl]

Remember what ty said(paraphrasing here). He will treat them the same way they treat him. If they intend to get dirty like that, I bet he will do the same thing in their deposition.

I'm sure he will. Look at how he has been treated by opposing counsel thus far. They've treated him as though he's engaged in downright disgusting acts, like asking for and releasing information on sexual assault victims. Not only that, but look how he's been treated by the defendants themselves along with all of their little butt buddies.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

how can they be okay being in eternal debt?

They've been taking Low T. Greg's advice a lot lately, so why not go hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt like he is?

 

[Far Queue]

I'll put my non-lawyering e-peen on the line, and make a Bold Prediction that we will know exactly what's going on based solely on the questions asked today to Vic in deposition.

Questions Casey would ask Vic if he has a solid defense, and just wants details on the record:

1. Vic, are you aware of any complaints registered to cons about your behavior? What were they about?
2. Have you ever been banned from a con before February 2019? If so, why?
3. Has an employer ever investigated you for misconduct? How many times? What was the nature of that misconduct?
4. Has anyone, friend or co-worker, delivered an ultimatum for you to change your ways?

If Vic says Yes to any of these, then there is some fire behind all that Twitter/PULL/Tumblr smoke. Lawyers aren't supposed to ask questions they don't already know the answer to, and if MoRonica is telling the truth, Casey would know about any damning backstory to the "sudden" con bans.

Not necessarily. The first requires that a con to have received a complaint and actually relayed it to Vic. If that hasn't happened then even if complaints do exist, he is not aware of them. Alternatively there could be some he is aware of that are over innocuous or unrelated issues such as being late, etc.

For the second, I recall from some previous discussion (may have been second hand from Nick) that Vic had stated that he's not aware of him being banned or blacklisted from any convention. It may be that he is banned, but if they haven't told him then he's once again not aware of it.

The the third question the obvious answer is that both Funimation and Rooster Teeth obviously have. That's what this case is about. The forth question has a similar answer since we already know that other VAs had send him some kind of bullshit letter of confession. If that's as much of a shitshow as everything else, I'm not sure Casey should be in a hurry to pull at that thread.

Of course we know that Casey doesn't have a good defense so maybe I should have ignored all of these and moved on to the other list. I do find it funny that #3 isn't even a question. I'm assuming that was kind of intentional.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

holy fuck
they love spending money
are they going to pay for 3 firms with IOUs?

Random thought. Doesn't the TCPA have a provision for sticking the other side with the bill? I.,e., if they can convince some judge -- or appeals court, since this evil alt-right judge is clearly biased against them because he hates women and people in alternative sexuality lifestyles (cucks) -- that this was a SLAPP motion, then... couldn't they stick Vic with the bill?

I mean, could some truly exceptional type, the type that would have convinced them they would never have to testify or produce any evidence, have also convinced them not to worry about the bill because that evil multi-billionare Vic would end up paying for it in the end?

 

[Padoru]

Not necessarily. The first requires that a con to have received a complaint and actually relayed it to Vic. If that hasn't happened then even if complaints do exist, he is not aware of them. Alternatively there could be some he is aware of that are over innocuous or unrelated issues such as being late, etc.

For the second, I recall from some previous discussion (may have been second hand from Nick) that Vic had stated that he's not aware of him being banned or blacklisted from any convention. It may be that he is banned, but if they haven't told him then he's once again not aware of it.

The the third question the obvious answer is that both Funimation and Rooster Teeth obviously have. That's what this case is about. The forth question has a similar answer since we already know that other VAs had send him some kind of bullshit letter of confession. If that's as much of a shitshow as everything else, I'm not sure Casey should be in a hurry to pull at that thread.

Of course we know that Casey doesn't have a good defense so maybe I should have ignored all of these and moved on to the other list. I do find it funny that #3 isn't even a question. I'm assuming that was kind of intentional.

as a matter of fact the answers to these questions should usually be

"I am not aware of such a thing"
"I am not aware of such a thing"
"I am not aware of such a thing"
"No. They only demanded me to apologize for and admit to conduct i am not aware of"

AT LEAST these answers are logical assuming they are true.

Cons should not be giving guests reports of misconduct. They either ban them or disregard the report since they don't feel it to be true.

And what con would tell you you are banned? They will just not invite you ever agin and for all intents and purposes you'd never know.

And that Vic probably never heard of the investigation was implied previously too. I don't remember if it was here or by Nick

And well the last one wasn't an Ultimatum to change his ways. It was an Ultimatum to admit to this conduct so this one is definitely not true given what SHANE told us about it

 

[Harvey Danger]

The the third question the obvious answer is that both Funimation and Rooster Teeth obviously have. That's what this case is about. The forth question has a similar answer since we already know that other VAs had send him some kind of bullshit letter of confession. If that's as much of a shitshow as everything else, I'm not sure Casey should be in a hurry to pull at that thread.

My theory is that if those investigations had any merit, Casey wants it on the record and he wants Vic to try and argue against the results. That way MoRonica can rebut Vic's spin in their depo the next day. But in Ty's e-mails, he mentioned that the Rooster Teeth guy said the investigation happened and he knew the allegations were false. So if the investigations turned up nothing concrete, then I doubt Casey would want Vic saying that in depo; he'll save it for MoRonica's depo, so they can spin it themselves.

The ultimatum thing was meant to refer to someone like his fiance saying "stop grabbing teenage girls or I'm leaving". Or an employer saying "stop flirting with poor Monica before we have to fire you". If Vic's honest and can describe a previous intervention, it makes the SuperSecretShaneStatement look more credible later on.

I do find it funny that #3 isn't even a question. I'm assuming that was kind of intentional.

Well, Vic has publicly admitted to infidelity before, so it's not really a question of fact. It's entirely irrelevant to the case, but going into it is a great way to get dirt on someone you want to smear.

 

[MyMothersHusbandsWifesSon]

Just had a thought. What if MoRon are trying to bankrupt themselves hiring as many lawyers as possible for one of two outcomes:

• Can't pay any of the awarded money to Vic so Funimation has to pay
• They will try to get Vic to pay for lawyers fees in order to drain him of as much money as possible

Obviously the second one will never work, but they are idiots so I wouldn't put it past them to try it.

 

[Hexadecimal]

Just had a thought. What if MoRon are trying to bankrupt themselves hiring as many lawyers as possible for one of two outcomes:

• Can't pay any of the awarded money to Vic so Funimation has to pay
• They will try to get Vic to pay for lawyers fees in order to drain him of as much money as possible

Obviously the second one will never work, but they are idiots so I wouldn't put it past them to try it.

I don't think that's how that works. As to your second point, I doubt it. That would assume that they were so certain Vic would lose AND be liable for Lawyers Fees that they would be fine risking thousands and thousands of dollars to spite him.

 

[Padoru]

Just had a thought. What if MoRon are trying to bankrupt themselves hiring as many lawyers as possible for one of two outcomes:

• Can't pay any of the awarded money to Vic so Funimation has to pay
• They will try to get Vic to pay for lawyers fees in order to drain him of as much money as possible

Obviously the second one will never work, but they are idiots so I wouldn't put it past them to try it.

the first one will not work either since legally speaking there are 4 seperate defendants that can be different levels of guilty so there will be technically 4 seperate verdicts. Ron and Monica are basically treated as one by most but officially they are 2 seperate clients that just share their lawyers for convenience. Funimation has 0 Agency in MoRons verdict as a result and let's say every guilty party were to owe Vic 1 million$ that would mean Funi would just dish out their part and yeet off. Never to talk to MoRon or Marchi about it.

 

[Far Queue]

Just had a thought. What if MoRon are trying to bankrupt themselves hiring as many lawyers as possible for one of two outcomes:

• Can't pay any of the awarded money to Vic so Funimation has to pay
• They will try to get Vic to pay for lawyers fees in order to drain him of as much money as possible

Obviously the second one will never work, but they are idiots so I wouldn't put it past them to try it.

The first is stupid. I believe (or have been lead to from previous discussion here) that Texas has some reasonable laws in place to protect people from becoming destitute from a judgement against them. However, I don't know if those rules extend to protecting someone from a lawyer they owe a lot of money to coming after them.

The second is a tactic that might work if they have at least as much money as Vic. However from the exceptional way in which they and their lawyer been conducting themselves so far, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up getting sanctioned and paying part of Vic's costs. Remember that they asked for a Jury. Look at the Oberlin case where the Jury awarded legal fees as damages as well. MoRonica aren't looking any better than the batch of idiots at Oberlin that played stupid games.

 

[captkrisma]

Remember what ty said(paraphrasing here). He will treat them the same way they treat him. If they intend to get dirty like that, I bet he will do the same thing in their deposition.

"Monica, exactly how many times have you winked your asshole at Vic, knowing he was engaged at the time?"

I'm here, but damn if this actually happens...

 

[Dark Prince]

if you are unironically trying to intentionally bankrupt yourself there are thousands of better ways to get rid of money than blowing it on lawyers fees. even blowing it all on poker and dope would be a better idea than that.

that said, nobody does that, not even moronica. i have no idea why they think they need multiple super lawyers to fight this case for them but i'm 99% confident that it's not an intentional waste of money on their part. they do have their reasons.

Their reasons are easy to understand. They think Courts work like Law and Order where you can win on technicalities not understanding that what Casey says in the courtroom actually applies to them, because having someone tell other people what you want on your behalf then getting mad that Casey wont partake in their FigOps, because they'd rather listen to Shane over the actual lawyers they paid for, is something only those as exceptional as they are would do.

How much are you willing to bet they came up with the plan to hire a new lawyer to file a TCPA for them on their secret discord without consulting Casey then dramatically undersold how fucked they were in this case to their new Superlawyer? How much are you willing to bet Casey woke up this morning ready to do the deposition best he could and is now hearing about this on his lunchbreak but can't stop what he's doing to deal with this?

I know you read here Casey. You may as well just quit and cite your clients refusal to listen to ANYTHING you say.