Shy Hard 2: Shy Harder

[Strewth]

I listen to this band, Masked Intruder quite a lot. They're a parody punk band.

This song always makes me think of loveshies when I hear it.

 

[Nothing]

In keeping with this recent influx of LS.com denizens I've decided to register here after going through this entire thread. I go by The Lurker on the forums, though I noticed someone already registered here under that name long before. I don't have - and wouldn't be inclined to offer - any super seekrit insider information that can't be found publicly but I can offer another perspective from someone who's been a member there for almost 5 years and my own understanding of the forum and its culture.

Basically, at one time, LS.com actually catered to its intended target demographic: the "love-shies"...which IMO is just an overly nuanced made-up term by a fringe magical-thinking psychologist with little credible reputation in his field looking to carve out his own slice of fame: Dr. Gilmartin. LS is just a form of severe social anxiety in my opinion. Anyways, that was the situation prior to about 2010. LS.com was a small community of mostly men but women too, socially anxious, dating challenged, and different from other forums in being influenced by Gilmartin's work. Then the incels came (dun dun duuunnn) after the most popular (possibly only at the time) specifically incel forum, Incel Support, drove many of the male members out for various reasons, mostly due to the awful moderation and forum culture. This was shortly followed by the first wave of many trolls and lots of unwanted attention for the previously little-known forum, which prompted a widespread purge of nearly all posts made mostly before 2010, even though the forum had been in existence since I think 2006. Since then, the face of the forum has changed dramatically. The incels are by far the loudest, most extreme, and perhaps now largest crowd. Their influence on the forum culture was undeniable and permanent. The love-shies and incels have largely amalgamated over time and it's just about impossible to distinguish between the two, never mind the fact that both the love-shy and incel labels are so nebulous and years of bickering have never reached any agreed-upon definition for either, or even spawned yet more confusing sub-labels. In short, it wasn't until after the incels came that the forum was lead away from its original direction and gained its reputation and troll magnet status along with all of the other, similar sites that seemed to spring up from out of nowhere around the same period.

While the forum really has done some good for some people and there are certainly some uplifting success stories to be had, there's no escaping that it's an echo chamber made more insidious by the genuine women-haters and general crazies. Our very own Dante Alighieri (Marjan/Holden) had a much different tone only a few years ago before becoming fschmidt's disciple; you'd think they were two different people on opposites ends of the world. As for myself, I've lived through the hatred, the resentment, and the anger. I'm exhausted of it all. The bubble is making me claustrophobic.

Rammspieler is, of course, an ex-admin and moderator and had been around longer than myself - maybe he can correct me if my information is false, or add to it. Ask away.

 

[Saney]

Our very own Dante Alighieri (Marjan/Holden) had a much different tone only a few years ago before becoming fschmidt's disciple; you'd think they were two different people on opposites ends of the world.

Really? Interesting. Could you elaborate on what he was like then? And maybe what Fschmidt said or did to rope him into his views?

 

[Saney]

I'm surprised Marjan didn't start this thread.

 

[BriarHeart]

In keeping with this recent influx of LS.com denizens I've decided to register here after going through this entire thread. I go by The Lurker on the forums, though I noticed someone already registered here under that name long before. I don't have - and wouldn't be inclined to offer - any super seekrit insider information that can't be found publicly but I can offer another perspective from someone who's been a member there for almost 5 years and my own understanding of the forum and its culture.

Basically, at one time, LS.com actually catered to its intended target demographic: the "love-shies"...which IMO is just an overly nuanced made-up term by a fringe magical-thinking psychologist with little credible reputation in his field looking to carve out his own slice of fame: Dr. Gilmartin. LS is just a form of severe social anxiety in my opinion. Anyways, that was the situation prior to about 2010. LS.com was a small community of mostly men but women too, socially anxious, dating challenged, and different from other forums in being influenced by Gilmartin's work. Then the incels came (dun dun duuunnn) after the most popular (possibly only at the time) specifically incel forum, Incel Support, drove many of the male members out for various reasons, mostly due to the awful moderation and forum culture. This was shortly followed by the first wave of many trolls and lots of unwanted attention for the previously little-known forum, which prompted a widespread purge of nearly all posts made mostly before 2010, even though the forum had been in existence since I think 2006. Since then, the face of the forum has changed dramatically. The incels are by far the loudest, most extreme, and perhaps now largest crowd. Their influence on the forum culture was undeniable and permanent. The love-shies and incels have largely amalgamated over time and it's just about impossible to distinguish between the two, never mind the fact that both the love-shy and incel labels are so nebulous and years of bickering have never reached any agreed-upon definition for either, or even spawned yet more confusing sub-labels. In short, it wasn't until after the incels came that the forum was lead away from its original direction and gained its reputation and troll magnet status along with all of the other, similar sites that seemed to spring up from out of nowhere around the same period.

While the forum really has done some good for some people and there are certainly some uplifting success stories to be had, there's no escaping that it's an echo chamber made more insidious by the genuine women-haters and general crazies. Our very own Dante Alighieri (Marjan/Holden) had a much different tone only a few years ago before becoming fschmidt's disciple; you'd think they were two different people on opposites ends of the world. As for myself, I've lived through the hatred, the resentment, and the anger. I'm exhausted of it all. The bubble is making me claustrophobic.

Rammspieler is, of course, an ex-admin and moderator and had been around longer than myself - maybe he can correct me if my information is false, or add to it. Ask away.

Welcome to the forums! I hope you stay a while, you seem like a stand-up chap. Here's a question off of the top of my head: we also have a thread about the SlutHate forums and wiki (formerly known as PUAHate forums of "supreme gentleman" infamy). Do you know if there is any crossover between the memberships of that forum and yours? Do any of the ideas generated there, like "lookism vs personalitism," show up among the LS posters? If yes, how much overlap do you think there is?

I'm surprised Marjan didn't start this thread.

I think your link is borked, brah. Could you repost it?

 

[Saney]

Should work this time.

 

[Nothing]

Really? Interesting. Could you elaborate on what he was like then? And maybe what Fschmidt said or did to rope him into his views?

The guy was clearly suffering, and this was right around the time he was entering his retarded Gov'tGetsGirlfriends phase, but he projected his anger on his parents and his government and much less so on women. I guess it's debatable whether or not that's better, but better a comparatively tiny group of people than half of the human race (oh, just the modern ones). He seemed more willing to find faults in himself rather than lashing out at his perceived enemies all the time. I can't really say anything Fschmidt specifically did to convert him to his thinking, but he's always had an infamous longstanding presence on the forum and one of our most polarizing figures; you love him or hate him. Much like a prospective cult member, someone who is particularly vulnerable can get sucked in. Fschmidt is batshit crazy, but he knows how to tailor his words to disenfranchised, angry, black-and-white thinking people like many who populate LS and similar forums. As you know, he wears the hatred he's garnered like a badge. "See, it MUST be them, and not us! They hate me because they're just modern scum." Some see through it, some might agree with a few things he has to say, and a few take it in completely.

Welcome to the forums! I hope you stay a while, you seem like a stand-up chap. Here's a question off of the top of my head: we also have a thread about the SlutHate forums and wiki (formerly known as PUAHate forums of "supreme gentleman" infamy). Do you know if there is any crossover between the memberships of that forum and yours? Do any of the ideas generated there, like "lookism vs personalitism," show up among the LS posters? If yes, how much overlap do you think there is?

Thank you. I've actually been following Chris-Chan since about 2009 so this has been a long time coming, actually.

There have been a few confirmed members from PUAHate/Sluthate that came over to the LS forums. Possibly more that never announced their origins. Off the top of my head I can think of only one that still actively posts (FIVTL - he's an alright guy from what I can tell). A few just fizzled out, but then some hilariously sperged out after a week or two and called us too "blue-pilled" or pathetic before leaving or getting banned. PUAHate held a reputation as weird extremists or outright idiots on our forums except among the "lookists". Yes, the so-called "personality/bad-boy crew" vs "looks crew" or "lookists" was a huge thing on the forum in years past and still is today, to a lesser extent. The camps were clearly defined and few members openly sat on the fence. It was like some bizarre parody of Congress where the two big groups slugged it out and the few outliers threw punches every now and then - which group could prove to the others what women really want, once and for all? Many threads were dominated or derailed after a lookist or a personality-ist had to get a shot in and the e-fights were vicious sometimes. The intensity has died down a lot by now though. The older members that still stick around got sick of it for the most part.

Some choice examples of PUAHate sperggotry:
http://love-shy.com/lsbb/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=24031
http://love-shy.com/lsbb/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=24033
http://love-shy.com/lsbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26960
http://love-shy.com/lsbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=27030

 

[SU 390]

I think that's why I don't visit the forum (ls) that much nowadays. It's too much griping about failures in dating. There were times when I felt more shitty the more I delve in the forum of past posts. I'm a failure dating wise, but I could never sulk at my failures forever. Most of them don't have energy to work, much less keep an active social life because of their sadness. Depression sucks, I know because I've been depressed many times over the years. I can't help but feel sorry for the ones that want help but can't get it for some reason.

 

[Nothing]

I think that's why I don't visit the forum (ls) that much nowadays. It's too much griping about failures in dating. There were times when I felt more shitty the more I delve in the forum of past posts. I'm a failure dating wise, but I could never sulk at my failures forever. Most of them don't have energy to work, much less keep an active social life because of their sadness. Depression sucks, I know because I've been depressed many times over the years. I can't help but feel sorry for the ones that want help but can't get it for some reason.

Yeah. I browse nowadays because there are some people there I genuinely feel very sorry for. People who have achieved more and tried harder than me and still find no success. As someone who is literally mentally ill (bipolar), I know a lot about depression and what it can do to a person. I've struggled with it for more than a decade, and many of those years I was too young and unaware to know what was happening to me. Kind of like Wizardchan, if you look past the extremists you'll find just a lot of depressed, anxious, and troubled people. When I was at rock bottom one of the few comforts I could find was speaking in extremes about things I was angry about. Usually that was women, or the dating situation in society. Of course these were things I actually knew little about and still don't know much about. When you already feel so shitty about yourself and your situation, it's sometimes unbearable to not absolve yourself of fault. Blaming something else, whether justifiably or not, is a needed pressure release. But after years have passed and nothing has improved, you must eventually realize that the problem essentially lies with you. There's a laundry list of things I strongly dislike about modern society and feminism, but spending so long railing against it and being angry as an individual accomplishes nothing. I'm just an uninteresting, unattractive person lacking in personality, unable to emotionally connect to others. It's taken too long to come to terms with this. It's my hope that one day some of the people on LS come to realize this themselves in their own way. Break the cycle.

Alright, sorry for the blog post everyone.

 

[mooooo]

LS is just a form of severe social anxiety in my opinion.

Well, it's not a fear of socialising, hence not social anxiety. It's most likely strongly correlated with social anxiety, but it's possible to have it without any other issues.
Say you can chat to girls fine, but can't express that you are interested in them, or ask them out. The phobia is then specific to actions that imply romantic/sexual intent.
The semantics are flexible, it doesn't really matter so long as you understand what it means. If you defined gestures that express sexuality etc as a component of socialising, it could be a a very specific social anxiety. But generally "socialising" is a general term, and thus "social anxiety" is also a general term. It would be like saying you have a specific fear of walking because you're scared of walking down alleys... then it's more a fear of alleys than of walking. Well, whatever. But some people seem to equate LS with general social anxiety, when it's more a subset.

 

[Rammspieler]

Ah, yes. The different "camps" that you either subscribed to or you were a troll or something. Purportedly, Advanced, of the Loveshy movie fame (the one who wanted to look like an androgynous J-pop singer), was the inspiring figure and patron saint of the Looksist Crew and most of PUAHate in general. Only by the time PUAHate came along, Advanced was already long gone. I have recent unconfirmed reports from third parties that he may have last been sighted in Bangkok after years of teaching English in China. Maybe he was finally getting that eyelid surgery he was hoping to get?

 

[BriarHeart]

Ah, yes. The different "camps" that you either subscribed to or you were a troll or something. Purportedly, Advanced, of the Loveshy movie fame (the one who wanted to look like an androgynous J-pop singer), was the inspiring figure and patron saint of the Looksist Crew and most of PUAHate in general. Only by the time PUAHate came along, Advanced was already long gone. I have recent unconfirmed reports from third parties that he may have last been sighted in Bangkok after years of teaching English in China. Maybe he was finally getting that eyelid surgery he was hoping to get?

Oh, Advanced. On my Sliding Scale of Pity for all of the schmucks in that project, he came in third place (after Michael and the poor, poor film crew). Dude was a woman-hating asshole and a spineless little shit, but he also had some jacked-up body dysmorphia that I wouldn't wish on anyone. Of course they're going to get truth and wisdom about how looks are the most important factor in dating from a guy who is literally incapable of accurately assessing his own looks. Oy.

It kind of reminds me of how John Nash popularized game theory, which supposedly uses math and probability to delineate human social interactions and prove that everyone will always fuck you over all the time unless you know how to "play the game" and predict their responses in order to control the interaction. (Sound familiar?) Problem was (and not a lot of game theory proponents seem to mention this), at the time he developed his theories, Nash was suffering from severe paranoid schizophrenia with aggressive persecutory delusions telling him that everyone was trying to fuck him over all the time, even his family and friends. Oh, and that every man wearing a red tie was somehow a filthy pinko Commie conspiring against him.

 

[SU 390]

Yeah. I browse nowadays because there are some people there I genuinely feel very sorry for. People who have achieved more and tried harder than me and still find no success. As someone who is literally mentally ill (bipolar), I know a lot about depression and what it can do to a person. I've struggled with it for more than a decade, and many of those years I was too young and unaware to know what was happening to me. Kind of like Wizardchan, if you look past the extremists you'll find just a lot of depressed, anxious, and troubled people. When I was at rock bottom one of the few comforts I could find was speaking in extremes about things I was angry about. Usually that was women, or the dating situation in society. Of course these were things I actually knew little about and still don't know much about. When you already feel so shitty about yourself and your situation, it's sometimes unbearable to not absolve yourself of fault. Blaming something else, whether justifiably or not, is a needed pressure release. But after years have passed and nothing has improved, you must eventually realize that the problem essentially lies with you. There's a laundry list of things I strongly dislike about modern society and feminism, but spending so long railing against it and being angry as an individual accomplishes nothing. I'm just an uninteresting, unattractive person lacking in personality, unable to emotionally connect to others. It's taken too long to come to terms with this. It's my hope that one day some of the people on LS come to realize this themselves in their own way. Break the cycle.

Alright, sorry for the blog post everyone.

It's fine. I have a habit of making blog post style rants and getting my point across. I have the same problem you do to an extent. I have issues with modern society and bastardized feminism of today, but making constant complaints doesn't help in the long run. I just try to adapt to the swing of things today. I think what most of the forum members have a problem with is adapting. I don't agree with how certain scenarios I should follow when it comes to wanting to meet women because most advice given is contradicting. But I learn more and more each day that there is a time and place for everything(including dating). The only thing to do is just improve social skills.

If you suck at it, then you must improve. Failure and success are two sides of the same coin. If most of them can't figure that out, tough on them. I know what it's like flipping the aforementioned proverbial coin and only landing "failure". Trust me I know exactly what they're going through, but whining about it 24/7 isn't helpful.

 

[mooooo]

It's fine. I have a habit of making blog post style rants and getting my point across. I have the same problem you do to an extent. I have issues with modern society and bastardized feminism of today, but making constant complaints doesn't help in the long run. I just try to adapt to the swing of things today. I think what most of the forum members have a problem with is adapting. I don't agree with how certain scenarios I should follow when it comes to wanting to meet women because most advice given is contradicting. But I learn more and more each day that there is a time and place for everything(including dating). The only thing to do is just improve social skills.

If you suck at it, then you must improve. Failure and success are two sides of the same coin. If most of them can't figure that out, tough on them. I know what it's like flipping the aforementioned proverbial coin and only landing "failure". Trust me I know exactly what they're going through, but whining about it 24/7 isn't helpful.

Complaints don't help in the long run?
Discussion helps reveal the source of the problem. You need to know the source of the issue to overcome it.
I still freely complain about stuff on the forum, and yet I recently got married. What has your attitude done for you?
Attitude itself is irrelevant. Identify a solution, then implement it.

 

[SU 390]

Complaints don't help in the long run?
Discussion helps reveal the source of the problem. You need to know the source of the issue to overcome it.
I still freely complain about stuff on the forum, and yet I recently got married. What has your attitude done for you?
Attitude itself is irrelevant. Identify a solution, then implement it.

My attitude if you want to call it, is realizing I've approached and handled situations that wasn't the best way of handling it. Dating and developing relationships is hard work and tricky. Humans are weird, especially in today's world. I get that it sucks that most guys are labeled as whiny and entitled to companionship with a woman. Making your gender look like assholes with all this murdering and harming doesn't help. And yes, women are capable of the same thing men do too, it's just not reported on the media as much.

 

[Saney]

It was a Saturday night, I was feeling err, tipsy to say the least. I saw a nice girl sitting with her mate at a table, and after downing a few drinks I was able to work up enough liquid courage to go and introduce myself.

Anyway we talked for roughly five minutes and I offered to buy her a drink, she asked for a redbull and vodka (roughly 15 dollars) so I obliged and went and paid for it. So I went and bought her one of the more expensive drinks at the club even though we had only just meet.

I gave her the drink, then asked if I could have her number, without warning she stood up looked at me coldly with her mate and took off, just like that. All the while I was left standing there looking like a complete dick.
They say it's the things you don't do you regret, but that blew a whole in the little bit of self-esteem I have left.

Have to wonder what it is he's omitting.

The best thing to do is just give up and don't try, EVER... No matter how many people say try, try and try again, don't. The more times you get knocked back the worse it becomes. I have found the best way to cope is this : whenever you see a woman you are attracted to visualise her laughing at you, humiliating you, copping off with some other guy etc. then repeat to yourself in your mind "I will always be alone" several times. Take a deep breath and carry on. Not a constructive piece of advice but one I have been following for years now and although it does cause me a sharp pain in the heart for a few seconds it's all that keeps me going now. I find it helps me not be hard on myself but realistic. This won't help you find a girlfriend but if like me you are hideously ugly and have completely given up, it will help in time. It stops the thought process eg.

Hot girl = I am attracted to her + attempt to ask her out = rejected

Instead hot girl = give up = hey ho carry on miserable as usual but no worse off and self respect intact.

They really are a pathetic and miserable bunch.

Yea most of the time when I see a hot chick I make an effort to look in the complete opposite direction, I don't find it necessary to feed their narcissistic supply. They probably take most of their morning doing themselves up with fake eye lashes, fake hair extensions, make up.. feels good not to give them the attention they so desperately crave, even though they are not even looking at me to see me ignoring them.

looking at them while not good looking yourself is considered sexual harassment

Hello, Marjan 2.0.

wow, this was an incredibly rude, vulgar and demonstrative show of feminist power.

She just took your drink and got up and left you. Fuck.

Yes, NEVER offer to buy drink to some random skank you don't know.
Only offer if you know them well enough to not pull some shit like this.

If that happened to me I'd be tempted to chase that bitch down and ask her what the fuck she thought she was doing.

Just LOL at how fucked society is. We, the late bloomers and unfortuante guys, are conditioned to believe that men get better with age, but down the rabbit hole you realize its hyperbole. A 16 year old, handsome. athletic, muscular 6ft2 immature Jock DOMINATES a 33 year old, 5ft9 unathletic mature working guy with his life together. The 33yo male that is still a virgin or very inexperienced or just has the odd payout to hookers. The 33 year old guy makes a modest salary and has the prospect of aquring an aging wife in the hope to feel adequate and 'loved' by a female for the 1st time in his life (in retrospect he is being used as an ATM machine, emotional tampon and shelter provider), while the 16 year old Jock has a prime jailbait teenage girlfriend(s) and many good years ahead of him in his prime late teens to 20's. He'll just get better. Just LOL at how it's set up for the big handsome jock; better self esteem, more dominant, virtually 0 chance of mental health problems, never likley to have been bullied or shunned by peers, more male friends, more FB friends, 18yo girls still wanting to fuck him when he's 29, excellent references for jobs, holiday in the sunbles beeches of the Cayman Islands at 21 with your slender 8/10 oneitis you met on your bartenders student job, many other good memories. Why doesn't the 33 year old get the attractive teenage or 20-something women? Why was he ignored by decent looking girls in his teens and 20's? Why was he UTTERLY destroyed in his prime? Why does he have to settle for an old hag thats seen more tubesteak than a butcher? Surely in prehistoric times, when humans lived in tribes, the 33 year old tribal leader was the stronger, dominant, sexually experienced, more socially valuable and respected man not allowing the young teenage jocks to fuck the prime aged women while he fucked the worn out 35 year old sloppy scraps of the tribe. It's just not natural. DOMINATED by a kid, a boy that laughs at you and doesn't respect you, a boy yet to reach majority and voting age. LIfe is a joke as a BETA male. An absolute scam.

Yes, it's the 16 year olds who are immature

 

[SU 390]

Have to wonder what it is he's omitting.



They really are a pathetic and miserable bunch.





Hello, Marjan 2.0.






Yes, it's the 16 year olds who are immature

haozwang, IceCat and BP are my least and most hated posters on that forum. Jfc...

hao described himself as fschimdt 2.0 at one point, not making this up.

 

[SU 390]

http://www.love-shy.com/lsbb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=27207
http://www.love-shy.com/lsbb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=27207
Came across this on Reddit [url]http://i.imgur.com/HwLov2f.jpg. The question that was asked was whether girls react differently when hot and confident guys (read: alpha) pay them attention rather than ugly guys. It's a rare moment of honesty considering this came out of AskWomen where they heavily promote the feminized Blue Pill mentality. Take a look at some of the responses:

Quote:
"I feel mean admitting it, but sometimes a compliment from a guy I am not attracted to is like a job offer from a company I am not interested in. It's not really all that flattering, and depending how it's done, it can feel a bit insulting"


Quote:
"When unattractive men have hit on me I have honestly been insulted. It's sort of like... someone seriously asking you if you want a minimum wage job?"


C'mon guys. What more proof do you need to believe that SMV makes all the difference? Get off your asses and start hitting the gym. It's clear as day that women are repulsed and even 'feel insulted' when they're hit on by subpar beta males. it's like a blow their self-esteem: They wonder why they can't attract the good looking alpha types and think there must be something wrong with them for them to be getting hit on by the 'ugly creeps'.

If you're a low-SMV male, you're not considered a sexual being in the eyes of women.

-TRP.[/URL]

 

[Durable Mike Malloy]

http://www.love-shy.com/lsbb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=27207
Came across this on Reddit http://i.imgur.com/HwLov2f.jpg. The question that was asked was whether girls react differently when hot and confident guys (read: alpha) pay them attention rather than ugly guys. It's a rare moment of honesty considering this came out of AskWomen where they heavily promote the feminized Blue Pill mentality. Take a look at some of the responses:

Quote:
"I feel mean admitting it, but sometimes a compliment from a guy I am not attracted to is like a job offer from a company I am not interested in. It's not really all that flattering, and depending how it's done, it can feel a bit insulting"


Quote:
"When unattractive men have hit on me I have honestly been insulted. It's sort of like... someone seriously asking you if you want a minimum wage job?"


C'mon guys. What more proof do you need to believe that SMV makes all the difference? Get off your asses and start hitting the gym. It's clear as day that women are repulsed and even 'feel insulted' when they're hit on by subpar beta males. it's like a blow their self-esteem: They wonder why they can't attract the good looking alpha types and think there must be something wrong with them for them to be getting hit on by the 'ugly creeps'.

If you're a low-SMV male, you're not considered a sexual being in the eyes of women.

-TRP.

Storytime - I was once on the receiving end of a similar rant from a fellow whose buddy started dating a strikingly beautiful friend of mine after whistling to her across a subway platform. His own catcalls were uniformly greeted by scorn and derision, and because he was short and his friend was tall, he blamed women for their shallowness in rejecting his advances.

I noted that his pal had caught my friend's attention by whistling the theme from Strauss's Till Eulenspiegel while she was carrying her French horn, whereas he was wolf-whistling random ladies and mugging like a Tex Avery character.

But he would hear none of it - he was doomed to be forever unlucky in love because superficial big-city bitches wouldn't give a short guy a chance. Some people really are their own worst enemies.

 

[Silver]

I noted that his pal had caught my friend's attention by whistling the theme from Strauss's Till Eulenspiegel while she was carrying her French horn,

This is the most amazing thing I have ever heard