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Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!
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I'm trying to get into writing too:
You don't really need any qualifications, you just need to be able to write. What I'm currently doing is finding an artist to illustrate the comic script I wrote and then I'll submit it to various small presses. Once it's out I'll follow a bunch of comics professionals on twitter, try to get attention, and see what happens from there.
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Go back to page one of this forum and start reading. Comicsgate existed to teach people how to make comics and make money. Hard truth is writers are paid the least because like you said, anyone can do it.
I doubt any artist is going to listen to you until you give them a few benjamins.
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Puddleduck
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Who even IS that Bisexual Lighting? I'm guessing she doesn't look much like the cartoon avatar, and is probably trans?YaBoi did a Part 2:
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This is amazing. Her entire feed is a walking advertisement of "Don't hire this person, they will cause you nothing but trouble" And holy shit, she's admitted she was a literally brought on as a diversity hire. This is not something to be proud of, you should be questioning your life choices if this happens to you. You should be furious if this happens to you.
A nobody dangerhair that's awful at making comics and creates false grievances who's mad they got fired for being awful at making comics and creating false grievances
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Aww, we love you too, BLaM.
TBH I don't. It was boring, going in circles and ill prepared. I also don't care to follow any YT drama personality. I'm here to document the decline as I literally see it on my social media feeds (and I weep) and I see a lot of it. BLaM is just the most vocal person that pushes through Twitter algorithm and I see her and her ilk the most.
Funnily enough I stumbled upon comics gate only because every now and then some idiot on Twitter would call D&C a Nazi. After I watched fess of his vids, I still can't effin figure out why whole industry would be afraid of a normie boomer in 3/4 shorts taking about his poor taste in drawn boobs in his overheated car filming with a phone and talking stamps. Are they this much of hacks or what? This degenerate?
I'm hooked, NGL.
So thanks to all the Twitter spergs- btw the proper term is 'neo nazi' you uneducated fucks- you made sure in your lunacy to chase me off and never support you in any meaningful way.
On that note. I haven't read it in full yet, but seems like a juicy gay op.
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TBH I don't. It was boring, going in circles and ill prepared. I also don't care to follow any YT drama personality. I'm here to document the decline as I literally see it on my social media feeds (and I weep) and I see a lot of it. BLaM is just the most vocal person that pushes through Twitter algorithm and I see her and her ilk the most.
Funnily enough I stumbled upon comics gate only because every now and then some idiot on Twitter would call D&C a Nazi. After I watched fess of his vids, I still can't effin figure out why whole industry would be afraid of a normie boomer in 3/4 shorts taking about his poor taste in drawn boobs in his overheated car filming with a phone and talking stamps. Are they this much of hacks or what? This degenerate?
I'm hooked, NGL.
So thanks to all the Twitter spergs- btw the proper term is 'neo nazi' you uneducated fucks- you made sure in your lunacy to chase me off and never support you in any meaningful way.
On that note. I haven't read it in full yet, but seems like a juicy gay op.
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SINA GRACE — As Pride Month comes to a close, it’s time I spoke...
archived 28 Jun 2019 23:31:16 UTC
As Pride Month comes to a close, it’s time I spoke candidly about my experience at Marvel Comics.
To date, I’ve always been honest about the joy of writing Iceman’s journey as an out gay superhero, but I’ve skirted around the challenges that came along with it. This is partially because I prefer to give off an upbeat vibe, and there’s also a fear that my truth will affect my career. With more corporations patting themselves on the back for profit-led partnerships wherein celebrities take selfies in rainbow apparel, and with buzz that Marvel Studios is preparing to debut their first gay character in the upcoming Eternals movie, there is an urgency to discuss the realities of creating queer pop culture in a hostile or ambivalent environment. Hopefully, my takeaways will serve as a guide for people in positions of power to consider when advocating for more nuanced and rich representation. In an ideal world, embracing our stories and empowering us to tell them will yield far more profitable (and way less messy) results than what I encountered while writing Iceman.
Stand by your people
It’s no surprise that I got the attention of trolls and irate fans for taking on this job. There was already backlash around the manner in which Bobby Drake aka Iceman came out, and Marvel needed to smooth that landing and put a “so what” to the decision. After a point, I could almost laugh off people making light of my death, saying they have “cancerous AIDS” from my book, or insinuating I’m capable of sexual assault… almost. Between Iceman’s cancellation and its subsequent revival, Marvel reached out and said they noticed threatening behavior on my Twitter account (only after asking me to send proof of all the nasty shit popping up online). An editor called, these conversations always happen over the phone, offering to provide “tips and tricks” to deal with the cyber bullying. I cut him off. All he was going to do was tell me how to fend for myself. I needed Marvel to stand by me with more work opportunities to show the trolls that I was more than a diversity hire. “We’ll keep you in mind.” I got so tired of that sentence.
Even after a year of the new editor-in-chief saying I was talented and needed to be on a book that wasn’t “the gay character,” the only assignment I got outside of Iceman was six pages along, about a version of Wolverine where he had diamond claws. Fabulous, yes. Heterosexual, yes. Still kind of the gay character, though.
We as creators are strongly encouraged to build a platform on social media and use it to promote work-for-hire projects owned by massive corporations… but when the going gets tough, these dudes get going real quick.
Believe in the work
You may be asking if my Iceman book was any good, or if I’m just being sour grapes over a bad work experience. Believe me, I asked that, too. From the get-go, my first editor asserted that Iceman would be DOA if it were “too gay,” while also telling me to prepare for a cancellation anyway, given that most solo X-Men titles don’t last beyond a year. Never mind that my work on Iceman had gotten positive press in the New York Times (in-print), or that in spite of (since-deleted) critical sandbagging, the series nets glowing reviews on Amazon… Marvel still treated me as someone to be contained, and the book as something to be nervous about. Do you know how hard it is to not argue with a publicist when he’s explaining the value of announcing Iceman’s revival via the Marvel homepage? Sis, that’s a burial. Instead of clapping back, I just went and got myself more press from the New York Times. From there, they tightened my leash. I had to get all opportunities pre-approved, and all interviews pre-reviewed. This would be fine if it was the standard, but I assure you: none of my straight male colleagues seek permission to go on podcasts promoting their books.
What Marvel should have done is assign me a special projects editor. They should have worked with a specialty PR firm, rather than repeat a tiresome cycle of treating the book like a square peg, and getting confused when it’s a hit.
Give us a real seat at the table
There was a moment before Iceman was cancelled where I wrote then-editor-in-chief Axel Alonso an email, pleading for a Hail Mary arc. I explained that Iceman was landing with a newer generation of readers who focused more on binge-reading than month-to-month periodicals. The series needed time in the book market before its true strength could be assessed. To Axel’s credit, he was warm to the idea and even gave me an extra month, but when he left Marvel that idea got brushed away. Of course I was right. The first two volumes sold like gangbusters thanks to word-of-mouth, librarian love, and support from retailers big and small.
When the series returned, no one at Marvel asked me: “What do you think landed with readers?” Nor did they ask the question that Axel did: “What matters to your community?” So when I wrote what I thought the fans would be into, a story about a man learning to be a better ally in the war against hate, editorial totally missed its value.
Seat at the table pt II: The Shade of it all
All of the weird drama I put up with crystallized when I created a drag queen mutant, first called Shade, now called Darkveil. I told my editor that Shade would be a big deal for X-Fans, and asked how we should promote her. He said: “leave it up to the reader’s interpretation.” Everyone at Marvel shrugged off two years of goodwill and acted like I’d coordinated behind their backs on an announcement that made headlines. Beyond mentioning on Instagram the queens who inspired the character, I didn’t coordinate shit. Of course, their head publicist can’t admit that my quotes were pre-approved from an unreleased interview. At this point, I stopped believing that there’d be any more work for me. There were so many shady moves on their end that I’m still having trouble putting into language, but it all aligned with an experience I had in retail where a corrupt manager kept lying and moving the goal posts in order to keep me selling in a department I didn’t want to work in. I offered to give Darkveil a proper character bio, and I walked away.
I recognize that some of my complaints can be filed under “this is freelance life.” I am aware that it was not a queer person of color who joked to me that “it’s not a matter of ifMarvel fucks you over, it’s a matter of when.” That came from a cis white male. The same-day turn-arounds without warning, the work emails on Christmas week… that’s the freelance bullshit. Truly, I don’t even think of this as discrimination, I call it general ineptness. It is my belief that if we are telling stories about heroes doing the right thing in the face of adversity, wouldn’t the hope be to embody those ideals as individuals? Instead of feeling like I worked with some of the most inspiring and brave people in comics, I was surrounded by cowards.
Truly, I hate writing this. In keeping with Pride Month, I am proud of the work I did on Iceman… I love the book! It sucks that I may be tarnishing its legacy going public about how the cookies were made. That said, the time for self-congratulating is over, and folks should be earnestly listening when they ask: what could we have done better?
To date, I’ve always been honest about the joy of writing Iceman’s journey as an out gay superhero, but I’ve skirted around the challenges that came along with it. This is partially because I prefer to give off an upbeat vibe, and there’s also a fear that my truth will affect my career. With more corporations patting themselves on the back for profit-led partnerships wherein celebrities take selfies in rainbow apparel, and with buzz that Marvel Studios is preparing to debut their first gay character in the upcoming Eternals movie, there is an urgency to discuss the realities of creating queer pop culture in a hostile or ambivalent environment. Hopefully, my takeaways will serve as a guide for people in positions of power to consider when advocating for more nuanced and rich representation. In an ideal world, embracing our stories and empowering us to tell them will yield far more profitable (and way less messy) results than what I encountered while writing Iceman.
Stand by your people
It’s no surprise that I got the attention of trolls and irate fans for taking on this job. There was already backlash around the manner in which Bobby Drake aka Iceman came out, and Marvel needed to smooth that landing and put a “so what” to the decision. After a point, I could almost laugh off people making light of my death, saying they have “cancerous AIDS” from my book, or insinuating I’m capable of sexual assault… almost. Between Iceman’s cancellation and its subsequent revival, Marvel reached out and said they noticed threatening behavior on my Twitter account (only after asking me to send proof of all the nasty shit popping up online). An editor called, these conversations always happen over the phone, offering to provide “tips and tricks” to deal with the cyber bullying. I cut him off. All he was going to do was tell me how to fend for myself. I needed Marvel to stand by me with more work opportunities to show the trolls that I was more than a diversity hire. “We’ll keep you in mind.” I got so tired of that sentence.
Even after a year of the new editor-in-chief saying I was talented and needed to be on a book that wasn’t “the gay character,” the only assignment I got outside of Iceman was six pages along, about a version of Wolverine where he had diamond claws. Fabulous, yes. Heterosexual, yes. Still kind of the gay character, though.
We as creators are strongly encouraged to build a platform on social media and use it to promote work-for-hire projects owned by massive corporations… but when the going gets tough, these dudes get going real quick.
Believe in the work
You may be asking if my Iceman book was any good, or if I’m just being sour grapes over a bad work experience. Believe me, I asked that, too. From the get-go, my first editor asserted that Iceman would be DOA if it were “too gay,” while also telling me to prepare for a cancellation anyway, given that most solo X-Men titles don’t last beyond a year. Never mind that my work on Iceman had gotten positive press in the New York Times (in-print), or that in spite of (since-deleted) critical sandbagging, the series nets glowing reviews on Amazon… Marvel still treated me as someone to be contained, and the book as something to be nervous about. Do you know how hard it is to not argue with a publicist when he’s explaining the value of announcing Iceman’s revival via the Marvel homepage? Sis, that’s a burial. Instead of clapping back, I just went and got myself more press from the New York Times. From there, they tightened my leash. I had to get all opportunities pre-approved, and all interviews pre-reviewed. This would be fine if it was the standard, but I assure you: none of my straight male colleagues seek permission to go on podcasts promoting their books.
What Marvel should have done is assign me a special projects editor. They should have worked with a specialty PR firm, rather than repeat a tiresome cycle of treating the book like a square peg, and getting confused when it’s a hit.
Give us a real seat at the table
There was a moment before Iceman was cancelled where I wrote then-editor-in-chief Axel Alonso an email, pleading for a Hail Mary arc. I explained that Iceman was landing with a newer generation of readers who focused more on binge-reading than month-to-month periodicals. The series needed time in the book market before its true strength could be assessed. To Axel’s credit, he was warm to the idea and even gave me an extra month, but when he left Marvel that idea got brushed away. Of course I was right. The first two volumes sold like gangbusters thanks to word-of-mouth, librarian love, and support from retailers big and small.
When the series returned, no one at Marvel asked me: “What do you think landed with readers?” Nor did they ask the question that Axel did: “What matters to your community?” So when I wrote what I thought the fans would be into, a story about a man learning to be a better ally in the war against hate, editorial totally missed its value.
Seat at the table pt II: The Shade of it all
All of the weird drama I put up with crystallized when I created a drag queen mutant, first called Shade, now called Darkveil. I told my editor that Shade would be a big deal for X-Fans, and asked how we should promote her. He said: “leave it up to the reader’s interpretation.” Everyone at Marvel shrugged off two years of goodwill and acted like I’d coordinated behind their backs on an announcement that made headlines. Beyond mentioning on Instagram the queens who inspired the character, I didn’t coordinate shit. Of course, their head publicist can’t admit that my quotes were pre-approved from an unreleased interview. At this point, I stopped believing that there’d be any more work for me. There were so many shady moves on their end that I’m still having trouble putting into language, but it all aligned with an experience I had in retail where a corrupt manager kept lying and moving the goal posts in order to keep me selling in a department I didn’t want to work in. I offered to give Darkveil a proper character bio, and I walked away.
I recognize that some of my complaints can be filed under “this is freelance life.” I am aware that it was not a queer person of color who joked to me that “it’s not a matter of ifMarvel fucks you over, it’s a matter of when.” That came from a cis white male. The same-day turn-arounds without warning, the work emails on Christmas week… that’s the freelance bullshit. Truly, I don’t even think of this as discrimination, I call it general ineptness. It is my belief that if we are telling stories about heroes doing the right thing in the face of adversity, wouldn’t the hope be to embody those ideals as individuals? Instead of feeling like I worked with some of the most inspiring and brave people in comics, I was surrounded by cowards.
Truly, I hate writing this. In keeping with Pride Month, I am proud of the work I did on Iceman… I love the book! It sucks that I may be tarnishing its legacy going public about how the cookies were made. That said, the time for self-congratulating is over, and folks should be earnestly listening when they ask: what could we have done better?
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Amused ather than uncomfortable We don't want you to go anywhere you idiot.
They really have no idea how we think do they?
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On my list of X-Men that could support their own book, Iceman ranks at the bottom.
Which I suppose is fitting.
Which I suppose is fitting.
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Fucking hell, mind blown by the big brain level of cognitive dissonance on display in that sentence. He's complaining about being called a diversity hire while simultaneously demanding work as a diversity hire.
What a sense of entitlement theses people have, 'Give me work, not because I've earned it but because you need to compensate me for the blowback I got for sodomizing Ice Man'.
“We’ll keep you in mind,” means you're shit Sina, take the hint.
LOL! Perhaps you should have listened to your editor Sina, because writing your own personal grindr fantasy into a fucking X-Men comic went about exactly as well as he predicted. But you were mentioned in the Times! Oh la-de-da.
Can he seriously be so deluded as to think that the NYT would write anything other then a glowing puff piece no matter how crap the book turned out?
What's interesting about all this is the clear confirmation that Marvel knows perfectly well that this shit doesn't doesn't sell and there is no mythical diverse market out there for Frozen Dildo Twink that they just haven't managed to tap into yet, They're cynically prepared to pump propaganda for woke points that they know for a fact will land with a thud. They are fully aware that their starting point is failure.
And their business is in the shitter you say? Well I'm just so shocked and surprised!
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“Racial violence is a normal thing” in a city filled with antifa and leftist hipsters who trip over themselves to please the tiny black population that exists in the city. “Racial violence is a normal thing” in a city with a black police chief, a far left black woman on city council, and a mayor who lets antifa do whatever they want. They shut down a taco truck run by some women because their origin story involved “cultural appropriation”. Two other women were fired from a vegan bakery for enforcing store rules that upset a black woman who faked racial discrimination.
Do these idiots hear themselves?
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Sina Grace: "I want to be treated like everybody else!"
Also Sina Grace (and in the very same post): "Wah my book didn’t sell why didn’t Marvel give me special treatment!"
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The Racism Is Coming From The Progressives.
tl/dr: In this 1 1/2 minute video, Portland Antifa repeatedly call Blacks niggers. So yes, Portland, filled with antifa and leftists, with a Black police chief, and far left Black woman on city council, is indeed full of racists. Racist progressives but they lack the self-awareness to realize they're the source. Instead they constantly projecti their racism on everyone around them. Tangent, to this in Berkeley Antifa bashed in the skull of a socialist with a bike lock.
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I imagine I'm not alone in this but it's difficult for me to look at any X-Men thing with Iceman anymore due to the big gay push. Both the really questionable Bendis "reveal" and Sina Grace's sitcom gay stereotype clash heavily with the character's history. Even a bisexual Iceman would work better and I wouldn't care if his main love interest was a guy, it's just whatever he is now shits all over what used to be one of my favorite X-Men with how radically different it is.Aww, we love you too, BLaM.
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TBH I don't. It was boring, going in circles and ill prepared. I also don't care to follow any YT drama personality. I'm here to document the decline as I literally see it on my social media feeds (and I weep) and I see a lot of it. BLaM is just the most vocal person that pushes through Twitter algorithm and I see her and her ilk the most.
Funnily enough I stumbled upon comics gate only because every now and then some idiot on Twitter would call D&C a Nazi. After I watched fess of his vids, I still can't effin figure out why whole industry would be afraid of a normie boomer in 3/4 shorts taking about his poor taste in drawn boobs in his overheated car filming with a phone and talking stamps. Are they this much of hacks or what? This degenerate?
I'm hooked, NGL.
So thanks to all the Twitter spergs- btw the proper term is 'neo nazi' you uneducated fucks- you made sure in your lunacy to chase me off and never support you in any meaningful way.
On that note. I haven't read it in full yet, but seems like a juicy gay op.
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SINA GRACE — As Pride Month comes to a close, it’s time I spoke...
archived 28 Jun 2019 23:31:16 UTCAs Pride Month comes to a close, it’s time I spoke candidly about my experience at Marvel Comics.
To date, I’ve always been honest about the joy of writing Iceman’s journey as an out gay superhero, but I’ve skirted around the challenges that came along with it. This is partially because I prefer to give off an upbeat vibe, and there’s also a fear that my truth will affect my career. With more corporations patting themselves on the back for profit-led partnerships wherein celebrities take selfies in rainbow apparel, and with buzz that Marvel Studios is preparing to debut their first gay character in the upcoming Eternals movie, there is an urgency to discuss the realities of creating queer pop culture in a hostile or ambivalent environment. Hopefully, my takeaways will serve as a guide for people in positions of power to consider when advocating for more nuanced and rich representation. In an ideal world, embracing our stories and empowering us to tell them will yield far more profitable (and way less messy) results than what I encountered while writing Iceman.
Stand by your people
It’s no surprise that I got the attention of trolls and irate fans for taking on this job. There was already backlash around the manner in which Bobby Drake aka Iceman came out, and Marvel needed to smooth that landing and put a “so what” to the decision. After a point, I could almost laugh off people making light of my death, saying they have “cancerous AIDS” from my book, or insinuating I’m capable of sexual assault… almost. Between Iceman’s cancellation and its subsequent revival, Marvel reached out and said they noticed threatening behavior on my Twitter account (only after asking me to send proof of all the nasty shit popping up online). An editor called, these conversations always happen over the phone, offering to provide “tips and tricks” to deal with the cyber bullying. I cut him off. All he was going to do was tell me how to fend for myself. I needed Marvel to stand by me with more work opportunities to show the trolls that I was more than a diversity hire. “We’ll keep you in mind.” I got so tired of that sentence.
Even after a year of the new editor-in-chief saying I was talented and needed to be on a book that wasn’t “the gay character,” the only assignment I got outside of Iceman was six pages along, about a version of Wolverine where he had diamond claws. Fabulous, yes. Heterosexual, yes. Still kind of the gay character, though.
We as creators are strongly encouraged to build a platform on social media and use it to promote work-for-hire projects owned by massive corporations… but when the going gets tough, these dudes get going real quick.
Believe in the work
You may be asking if my Iceman book was any good, or if I’m just being sour grapes over a bad work experience. Believe me, I asked that, too. From the get-go, my first editor asserted that Iceman would be DOA if it were “too gay,” while also telling me to prepare for a cancellation anyway, given that most solo X-Men titles don’t last beyond a year. Never mind that my work on Iceman had gotten positive press in the New York Times (in-print), or that in spite of (since-deleted) critical sandbagging, the series nets glowing reviews on Amazon… Marvel still treated me as someone to be contained, and the book as something to be nervous about. Do you know how hard it is to not argue with a publicist when he’s explaining the value of announcing Iceman’s revival via the Marvel homepage? Sis, that’s a burial. Instead of clapping back, I just went and got myself more press from the New York Times. From there, they tightened my leash. I had to get all opportunities pre-approved, and all interviews pre-reviewed. This would be fine if it was the standard, but I assure you: none of my straight male colleagues seek permission to go on podcasts promoting their books.
What Marvel should have done is assign me a special projects editor. They should have worked with a specialty PR firm, rather than repeat a tiresome cycle of treating the book like a square peg, and getting confused when it’s a hit.
Give us a real seat at the table
There was a moment before Iceman was cancelled where I wrote then-editor-in-chief Axel Alonso an email, pleading for a Hail Mary arc. I explained that Iceman was landing with a newer generation of readers who focused more on binge-reading than month-to-month periodicals. The series needed time in the book market before its true strength could be assessed. To Axel’s credit, he was warm to the idea and even gave me an extra month, but when he left Marvel that idea got brushed away. Of course I was right. The first two volumes sold like gangbusters thanks to word-of-mouth, librarian love, and support from retailers big and small.
When the series returned, no one at Marvel asked me: “What do you think landed with readers?” Nor did they ask the question that Axel did: “What matters to your community?” So when I wrote what I thought the fans would be into, a story about a man learning to be a better ally in the war against hate, editorial totally missed its value.
Seat at the table pt II: The Shade of it all
All of the weird drama I put up with crystallized when I created a drag queen mutant, first called Shade, now called Darkveil. I told my editor that Shade would be a big deal for X-Fans, and asked how we should promote her. He said: “leave it up to the reader’s interpretation.” Everyone at Marvel shrugged off two years of goodwill and acted like I’d coordinated behind their backs on an announcement that made headlines. Beyond mentioning on Instagram the queens who inspired the character, I didn’t coordinate shit. Of course, their head publicist can’t admit that my quotes were pre-approved from an unreleased interview. At this point, I stopped believing that there’d be any more work for me. There were so many shady moves on their end that I’m still having trouble putting into language, but it all aligned with an experience I had in retail where a corrupt manager kept lying and moving the goal posts in order to keep me selling in a department I didn’t want to work in. I offered to give Darkveil a proper character bio, and I walked away.
I recognize that some of my complaints can be filed under “this is freelance life.” I am aware that it was not a queer person of color who joked to me that “it’s not a matter of ifMarvel fucks you over, it’s a matter of when.” That came from a cis white male. The same-day turn-arounds without warning, the work emails on Christmas week… that’s the freelance bullshit. Truly, I don’t even think of this as discrimination, I call it general ineptness. It is my belief that if we are telling stories about heroes doing the right thing in the face of adversity, wouldn’t the hope be to embody those ideals as individuals? Instead of feeling like I worked with some of the most inspiring and brave people in comics, I was surrounded by cowards.
Truly, I hate writing this. In keeping with Pride Month, I am proud of the work I did on Iceman… I love the book! It sucks that I may be tarnishing its legacy going public about how the cookies were made. That said, the time for self-congratulating is over, and folks should be earnestly listening when they ask: what could we have done better?
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The character's main flaw was his immaturity destroying his relationships and chances of going places in his life, making him gay and treating that fatal flaw as quirky is not really character development.
Is that blarms tier to admit this? It's pretty repulsive.
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They pretty much killed every character I've ever loved... Hawkeye, Domino, Bobbi, Spider-Woman were the hardest.
So I totally get it
So I totally get it
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It's weird since I'm not actively replused by Spider-Man comics where the characterizations are a bit off. Heck even the ones you named, outside maybe Hawkeye and Mockingbird, can be quickly corrected under another writer. Iceman on the other hand is like another guy wearing him as a skin suit which is unlikely to change because it's tied to the gay reveal.
Has any IP tried course correctly a similar blunder? I imagine it wouldn't end well as people on social media who like woke Marvel get really aggressive when others point out bisexual Iceman would work better with his history, mostly cause they see it as "throwing the gays under the rug"and lament that he's going to date a woman with all this being ignored as that's the only way they see it happening. So the character is like eternally scarficed to people who are too invested in "seeing themselves in the media" and doing anything else would cause a PR nightmare.
LGBT retcons are basically nuclear from what I've seen but I'd like to be proven wrong.