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[FGO-Professor-P2PBTW]

I looked up contingency in Google just because I could. Very first result, it told me that a contingency was a fixed amount of the clients winning fees. That took me all of 1 minute. So these people not think before they TYPE and SUBMIT their dumb 2 cents?

 

[Eyeshield]

This takes me back to a month or so when Nick said lawyers will do basically anything to win a case for their clients, and they're under very little obligation to hold back. I can't remember which stream that was though.

EDIT: I believe it had to do with ethics complaints, though I am not sure myself.

 

[TheClappening]

Randomly browsing a reddit thread regarding Fire Force, a show that started today both in Nipponese and Funimation simuldub. One of the redditors claims to know the dub VA for the main character, Derrick Snow.

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Funimation doesn't care what their contractors do, my ass.

 

[ShaggyDawg]

Nick said he'd update it after gloating and rubbing faces in it for a day. Amount is unknown, I feel he should only go to 250k because working towards smaller goals is frequently more achievable and faster than long off goals. He raised ~12k in 3.5h tonight due to the goal of 200k, so why not raise a similar amount sooner to reach another goal.

Agreed. Hopefully the 300k will be sufficient enough for him to take down all these wankers.

 

[AnOminous]

Screwing with the IOLTA means embezzling from the IOLTA. Using client funds in ways other than to pay the clients well documented and invoices legal bills. You do not intermingle accounts. You do not intermingle client accounts with office accounts or personal accounts. That is the easiest way for a lawyer to get disbarred.

It's so ridiculously suicidal and such a fast ticket to disbarment that the people who are claiming it's somehow a scam are either stupid beyond belief or deliberately lying. Absolutely everything about this GFM is completely above board and nobody claiming otherwise can find even an iota of evidence otherwise.

 

[Nontransferable]

Funimation doesn't care what their contractors do, my ass.

Signing an NDA doesn't make you an employee. Voice actors for video games are under lock and key until an official announcement is made and they typically aren't employees of the studio.

 

[ShaggyDawg]

Randomly browsing a reddit thread regarding Fire Force, a show that started today both in Nipponese and Funimation simuldub. One of the redditors claims to know the dub VA for the main character, Derrick Snow.

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Funimation doesn't care what their contractors do, my ass.

Possible they learnt to do this only recently though?

 

[Allanon]

Randomly browsing a reddit thread regarding Fire Force, a show that started today both in Nipponese and Funimation simuldub. One of the redditors claims to know the dub VA for the main character, Derrick Snow.

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Funimation doesn't care what their contractors do, my ass.

The whole contractor excuse is lame to begin with. It's basically an excuse to work them like an employee without giving the employee the benefits of being one and letting the company sneak away from responsibilities it should have. It absolutely shouldn't excuse them for when they effectively fire a contractor unfairly or when they let contractors mouth off with the power of being an employee of theirs and not the responsibility of being one. If they can control the actors' speech when it suits them, they should be expected to control their speech when it would make them liable, too.

It's so ridiculously suicidal and such a fast ticket to disbarment that the people who are claiming it's somehow a scam are either stupid beyond belief or deliberately lying. Absolutely everything about this GFM is completely above board and nobody claiming otherwise can find even an iota of evidence otherwise.

Not even an iolta of it.

 

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

I often question all these twitter lolwyers credibility, for not knowing what a Legal Defense Fund is.

Don't know what a LDF is, obviously don't know what an IOLTA account is or blatantly lie about it, don't know jackshit about Texas law, one doesn't even know that pro bono does not pay your bills and doesn't have enough dough for a cpap machine, spouting bs at twatter without even reading the court documents, and so on and so forth.
If somebody needs a lawyer and does some research at Goolge and finds all the crap they shit out on Twatter would they hire those reeetards? First question that would arise is "how do they have so much time for Twatter, don't they have clients?".

Same goes for Ron, if someone needs a mortgage and does some Googling and finds The Tuttle Group and Ron, and all the bs he's/was shitting out at Twatter, do you really want to do business with them?

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Signing an NDA doesn't make you an employee. Voice actors for video games are under lock and key until an official announcement is made and they typically aren't employees of the studio.

Correct. But it does torpedo the idea that Funimation had no control over the VA's twitter accounts.

If they had wanted to, they could have at least attempted to stop them. The fact that they haven't provided any evidence that they did means they likely didn't.

 

[AlexJonesGotMePregnant]

Signing an NDA doesn't make you an employee. Voice actors for video games are under lock and key until an official announcement is made and they typically aren't employees of the studio.

i've had to sign NDAs just to do a site visit at some companies prior to interviewing, and have twice had to sign an additional NDA upon opening a job application, followed up by a third (more restrictive) NDA attached to the employment contract. NDAs are everywhere.

 

[Tour of Italy]

It's also up to GFM's sole discretion. It explicitly states that GFMs can't be used for legal defense of the listed crimes, but it does leave them room for case-by-case basis.

Even then, there's not a single rule saying it can't be used to fund a Plaintiff, so egg is on Lemonhead's face

I think there’s a distinct possibility that they’re not trying to find anything illegal or convince a judge; they might just be trying to convince gofundme. They can’t get the funds that have already been paid out, but they may be able to get it shut down.

They could be trying to spook GFM by making them think the money is for the legal defense of a “harasser”, organized by an “alt-right” commentator. Getting subpoenaed or otherwise being part of a lawsuit is a pain in the ass and not great press, plus crowdfunding sights have been shown to be spineless. Hell, even just swaying the right payment processor is enough.

Now it’s one of the stupidest plays they have and reeks of desperation, but it’s not implausible. GFM is hopefully smart enough to not piss off lawyers by taking it down, especially if it doesn’t violate TOS, but they could be looking at a situation where the other lawyers will be pissed off if they keep it up.

So even if there’s not a lot of legal ground for them to stand on in attacking the GFM, it could be they’re adjust trying to generate enough of a cloud hanging over it so that GFM takes action to avoid the bad press and getting tangled in all this.

 

[Allanon]

Don't know what a LDF is, obviously don't know what an IOLTA account is or blatantly lie about it, don't know jackshit about Texas law, one doesn't even know that pro bono does not pay your bills and doesn't have enough dough for a cpap machine, spouting bs at twatter without even reading the court documents, and so on and so forth.
If somebody needs a lawyer and does some research at Goolge and finds all the crap they shit out on Twatter would they hire those reeetards? First question that would arise is "how do they have so much time for Twatter, don't they have clients?".

Same goes for Ron, if someone needs a mortgage and does some Googling and finds The Tuttle Group and Ron, and all the bs he's/was shitting out at Twatter, do you really want to do business with them?

In fairness, I can't think of a reason why someone would look up their mortgage agent or whatever it is he is on social media before getting a mortgage with them. The Tuttle Group itself, sure, but Ron? It seems unlikely. I would also doubt that someone in need of a lawyer would look them up on their social media either, but that at least has a stronger reasoning for why you really should. It's way worse for you if your lawyer is an idiot than if your...whatever it is that Ron is supposed to do when he's not whining on twitter is.

 

[Karl der Grosse]

I make it a policy to look up social media on anyone I do business with. It's prevented some pretty unpleasant surprises. If your lawyer, or mortgage broker, or investment manager has a bizarre or unpleasant or shady social media presence there's every chance that their real-life behavior is just as off. I do it for prospective employees, I do it for everyone. After all, it's all there just waiting to be seen. It's not like hiring a PI or something, you're just reading what they've put out to the world themselves. It's even free! This is something new in the world, social media. People are still catching up to the implications of being able to easily see what people they do business with are really like in their own words. It's a tectonic shift in the world of business.

 

[remiem]

In fairness, I can't think of a reason why someone would look up their mortgage agent or whatever it is he is on social media before getting a mortgage with them. The Tuttle Group itself, sure, but Ron? It seems unlikely. I would also doubt that someone in need of a lawyer would look them up on their social media either, but that at least has a stronger reasoning for why you really should. It's way worse for you if your lawyer is an idiot than if your...whatever it is that Ron is supposed to do when he's not whining on twitter is.

IMO. We're living in the era of social media, if you're doing business with anyone for any reason- working with, employee, etc- you should be searching them up to see if they get into any kind of stupidity or drama online because people who're stupid and dramatic online usually have that carry over to their personal life. Why would you want a broker your mortgage with someone whose currently involved in a lawsuit about defamation? I sure as hell wouldn't especially given the side he's on and looking into the case itself.

Fives minutes checking facebook and twitter can save you a world of grief for a lot of people.

 

[moocow]

I think there’s a distinct possibility that they’re not trying to find anything illegal or convince a judge; they might just be trying to convince gofundme. They can’t get the funds that have already been paid out, but they may be able to get it shut down.

They could be trying to spook GFM by making them think the money is for the legal defense of a “harasser”, organized by an “alt-right” commentator. Getting subpoenaed or otherwise being part of a lawsuit is a pain in the ass and not great press, plus crowdfunding sights have been shown to be spineless. Hell, even just swaying the right payment processor is enough.

Now it’s one of the stupidest plays they have and reeks of desperation, but it’s not implausible. GFM is hopefully smart enough to not piss off lawyers by taking it down, especially if it doesn’t violate TOS, but they could be looking at a situation where the other lawyers will be pissed off if they keep it up.

So even if there’s not a lot of legal ground for them to stand on in attacking the GFM, it could be they’re adjust trying to generate enough of a cloud hanging over it so that GFM takes action to avoid the bad press and getting tangled in all this.

Given how much Nick and Ty have worked directly with GFM to make sure the whole thing's on-the-level and legally airtight, I suspect the issue has been discussed and reviewed at a fairly high level at GFM and they've already made their decision to continue to allow the campaign to continue. This has gone well beyond low-level Tier 1 "support agent" reviewing a controversial campaign and has very likely gotten some attention from GFM's lawyers. Even a cursory glance at the nature of the lawsuit and controversy will demonstrate the defendants and their friends are playing from the standard SJW "shut it down" playbook, so GFM certainly knows there is are obvious ulterior motives motivating all the complaints about the campaign.

TL;DR: GFM has done their due diligence re: this campaign and have worked directly with Nick & Ty to ensure it's kosher. If they were ever going to shut down the campaign for being against TOS, being shady or being "politically incorrect," they'd have done it long before now.

 

[Tour of Italy]

Given how much Nick and Ty have worked directly with GFM to make sure the whole thing's on-the-level and legally airtight, I suspect the issue has been discussed and reviewed at a fairly high level at GFM and they've already made their decision to continue to allow the campaign to continue. This has gone well beyond low-level Tier 1 "support agent" reviewing a controversial campaign and has very likely gotten some attention from GFM's lawyers. Even a cursory glance at the nature of the lawsuit and controversy will demonstrate the defendants and their friends are playing from the standard SJW "shut it down" playbook, so GFM certainly knows there is are obvious ulterior motives motivating all the complaints about the campaign.

TL;DR: GFM has done their due diligence re: this campaign and have worked directly with Nick & Ty to ensure it's kosher. If they were ever going to shut down the campaign for being against TOS, being shady or being "politically incorrect," they'd have done it long before now.

I agree overall, you make a lot of good points. I still think there’s a possibility that Rial and Toye are stupid and or desperate enough for that to be their goal. That, and if GFM did cave to the mob, especially if under pressure from MasterCard or another payment processor, it wouldn’t be the first time a company gave in after initially seeming supportive.

 

[Faket0Fake]

It's so ridiculously suicidal and such a fast ticket to disbarment that the people who are claiming it's somehow a scam are either stupid beyond belief or deliberately lying. Absolutely everything about this GFM is completely above board and nobody claiming otherwise can find even an iota of evidence otherwise.

It's like everything else, they make all these claims but offer no proof because they want eye catching headlines and clickbait to make people angry who are too dumb to look for evidence. Still waiting for them to show any sort of proof that the GFM is being used for anything other than what it sets out as its goals. Where is the proof that any of the funds are being used for anything else? Where is the proof that Nick is stealing money for himself? The super chats go to Nick and they are not part of the GFM so why do they keep bringing that up? They don't offer proof because their isn't any so all they can do is shout about random straw man arguments.

If anything there is a lot more evidence that people like Marzgurl have been scamming people with their GFM and anytime they are presented with evidence they become extremely defensive. All she offered as evidence that the funds were properly used were questionable cut outs of invoices that don't show where they came from and what they were for and a brand new Amazon account with nothing on it. It feels like many of them are projecting and reacting out of jealousy that certain people are able to make more money out of the drama than they have. It's hardly the first time that SJW's started a drama on social media for profits on Youtube and Patreon, wasn't long ago that the skeptic crowd seemed to be colluding with some well known SJW Youtubers for views and profits by manufacturing drama and making endless back and forth diss videos. There is a lot of money to be made from stuff like this and if its all going in one direction then there might be some jealousy and attempts to interfere with that.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Added Allison Cookes japan Dox to the OP. Shout out to @ManateeHunter , our autism truly exceeds all borders.

 

[Spectre_06]

@AnOminous I got a question.

Chupp gave an extended deadline for MoRonica to file their TCPA by 19 July (if memory serves from the confidentiality order held on 31 May). Since (as I read it) TCPA only applies to the party that files it and doesn't cover other parties in the suit (and it's enough that even Ty and Sean don't exactly know which means seriously, the Texas state legislature needs to unfuck that law), if FUNI wins on their TCPA on 08 August does this prevent MoRonica from filing their own, as they'll have passed the deadline?