Whale Wars - tracking (and memeing) a certain pod of twitter attention whores

[Water-T]

I hate this narrative that no one would lie about rape. I absolutely despise it. It goes against every principle of human nature. Of course humans can and would lie if they think they are morally just! It's happened for as long as humans existed. Look at the fucking Salem Witch Trials, look literally anywhere and you'll see the willingness to lie if you think you're just. It's either maliciousness that spreads this narrative or being so deprived from reality that you do not know how humans work.

Shit, we've already had several court cases where a woman cries rape and then DNA/investigation/cross examination proved that she made it all up. The Duke LaCrosse case had one woman accuse three players on Duke's LaCrosse team of raping her, only to have the charges dropped after it turned out that she lied and her lawyer was actively trying to plant false info.

There was even one case where a group of women got into an Uber (or a cab, not sure which), and then the next day accused the driver of sexually assaulting ALL OF THEM. The video taken from that night showed that he didn't so much as breathe on them, and the fucking bitches justified their false claim by saying "We didn't want to have to pay for our ride".

People have been lying about murder, incest, cheating, stealing, and everything else under the Sun since the beginning of time, yet somehow some dummies think that there is some magical force preventing humans from lying about rape.

 

[Doctor D]

Shit, we've already had several court cases where a woman cries rape and then DNA/investigation/cross examination proved that she made it all up. The Duke LaCrosse case had one woman accuse three players on Duke's LaCrosse team of raping her, only to have the charges dropped after it turned out that she lied and her lawyer was actively trying to plant false info.

There was even one case where a group of women got into an Uber (or a cab, not sure which), and then the next day accused the driver of sexually assaulting ALL OF THEM. The video taken from that night showed that he didn't so much as breathe on them, and the fucking bitches justified their false claim by saying "We didn't want to have to pay for our ride".

People have been lying about murder, incest, cheating, stealing, and everything else under the Sun since the beginning of time, yet somehow some dummies think that there is some magical force preventing humans from lying about rape.

Jeez, those are both unknown to me. There is no lack of proof that women... *people*..lie. I seriously don't get where this narrative comes from. I'd love to hear some theories. The only possible reason I can think of is that they think women are somehow above men.

 

[Pixis]

Jeez, those are both unknown to me. There is no lack of proof that women... *people*..lie. I seriously don't get where this narrative comes from. I'd love to hear some theories. The only possible reason I can think of is that they think women are somehow above men.

I've seen this particular group talk about how 95%, or something close to this number, of women don't lie about sexual assault/harassment, therefore it's unreasonable to assume the allegations fall into the 5% of false allegations. They use this to shut down anyone entertaining the idea that the allegations are false, or even anyone suggesting they want to see evidence before fully condemning Vic. It's seems to be a common theme among those who believe in the metoo movement.
"sure, some women lie, but that's not the case with X."
Every single time.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I've seen this particular group talk about how 95%, or something close to this number, of women don't lie about sexual assault/harassment, therefore it's unreasonable to assume the allegations fall into the 5% of false allegations. They use this to shut down anyone entertaining the idea that the allegations are false, or even anyone suggesting they want to see evidence before fully condemning Vic. It's seems to be a common theme among those who believe in the metoo movement.
"sure, some women lie, but that's not the case with X."
Every single time.

What a completely braindead argument. They're telling the 5% who do get lied against to pound sand because they somehow think sex crimes somehow transcend the category of crimes overall and shouldn't be investigated and tried in court the same way (i.e. at all).

It's myopia-- the 5% are just a statistic in their abstract posturings. To them, they aren't people who get unjustly jailed for something they didn't do, rotting in jail and then coming out-- if they do-- decades behind everyone else, traumatized, and resocialized by a culture diametrically incompatible with our society.

We only recently managed to change the culture so that especially black Americans aren't put on a legal conveyor belt to jail when accused of crime, and we're arguably still struggling with that in some parts of the country, and they're trying to reestablish that-- just for men.

And never mind that they don't even recognize that man-on-man rape or women-on-man rape exists, if their argument is as narrow as you're making it out to be... or maybe they they get off on the former case and/or think the man got "lucky" in the latter case.

And the worst part is that none of this abstract posturing is even in the service of getting a supposed rapist jailed and segregated from society so that they can't menace it any longer-- it's in service of ruining a man so they can feel good about themselves for once in their objectively pathetic lives, or so they can fit in with people that'll inevitably eat them alive when the community needs a new sacrifice and they trip up.

 

[In Heaven]

The only possible reason I can think of is that they think women are somehow above men.

Speaking as someone who used to browse nutty feminists Tumblr blogs (I know, I know, redundant)... they DO think women are superior to men. That's their whole MO.

It's really gross and uncomfortable.

 

[BHWuser]

What a completely braindead argument. They're telling the 5% who do get lied against to pound sand because they somehow think sex crimes somehow transcend the category of crimes overall and shouldn't be investigated and tried in court the same way (i.e. at all).

It's myopia-- the 5% are just a statistic in their abstract posturings. To them, they aren't people who get unjustly jailed for something they didn't do, rotting in jail and then coming out-- if they do-- decades behind everyone else, traumatized, and resocialized by a culture diametrically incompatible with our society.

We only recently managed to change the culture so that especially black Americans aren't put on a legal conveyor belt to jail when accused of crime, and we're arguably still struggling with that in some parts of the country, and they're trying to reestablish that-- just for men.

And never mind that they don't even recognize that man-on-man rape or women-on-man rape exists, if their argument is as narrow as you're making it out to be... or maybe they they get off on the former case and/or think the man got "lucky" in the latter case.

And the worst part is that none of this abstract posturing is even in the service of getting a supposed rapist jailed and segregated from society so that they can't menace it any longer-- it's in service of ruining a man so they can feel good about themselves for once in their objectively pathetic lives, or so they can fit in with people that'll inevitably eat them alive when the community needs a new sacrifice and they trip up.

It's just blatantly false anyways. There has never been a comprehensive study large enough to determine how many cases of rape allegations are true or false. They are literally just assuming that the only ones that are broadcast to be false are the only false ones.

However, and if I can find the study again I'll get into it. but small studies have said anywhere from 25 to 40% are false.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

It's just blatantly false anyways. There has never been a comprehensive study large enough to determine how many cases of rape allegations are true or false. They are literally just assuming that the only ones that are broadcast to be false are the only false ones.

However, and if I can find the study again I'll get into it. but small studies have said anywhere from 25 to 40% are false.

I mean, the numbers don't matter-- never mind that they're indeterminable because we can only judge based on what was definitely demonstrated to be false, the determination of which can happen years after conviction. 5% is still numerous individuals getting screwed over because of some borderline or because of some girl who didn't want to own up to her parents/her boyfriend about her having sex (with someone else) and lacks respect for herself and by extension everyone else she encounters.

 

[Pixis]

What a completely braindead argument. They're telling the 5% who do get lied against to pound sand because they somehow think sex crimes somehow transcend the category of crimes overall and shouldn't be investigated and tried in court the same way (i.e. at all).

It's myopia-- the 5% are just a statistic in their abstract posturings. To them, they aren't people who get unjustly jailed for something they didn't do, rotting in jail and then coming out-- if they do-- decades behind everyone else, traumatized, and resocialized by a culture diametrically incompatible with our society.

We only recently managed to change the culture so that especially black Americans aren't put on a legal conveyor belt to jail when accused of crime, and we're arguably still struggling with that in some parts of the country, and they're trying to reestablish that-- just for men.

And never mind that they don't even recognize that man-on-man rape or women-on-man rape exists, if their argument is as narrow as you're making it out to be... or maybe they they get off on the former case and/or think the man got "lucky" in the latter case.

And the worst part is that none of this abstract posturing is even in the service of getting a supposed rapist jailed and segregated from society so that they can't menace it any longer-- it's in service of ruining a man so they can feel good about themselves for once in their objectively pathetic lives, or so they can fit in with people that'll inevitably eat them alive when the community needs a new sacrifice and they trip up.

Even if the goal were to see someone jailed, given they'd face no legal repercussions, the concept of Blackstone's ratio (It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer) still sends them into a fit of rage. It doesn't matter if the goal is sending a man to jail unjustly or if it's to ruin a man's life completely, they don't recognize the potential damage their actions cause either way, nor do they care. All that matters is what they get out of it. The e-clout, the dopamine hits on social media, new followers, all of it overrides any concern for what their target has to go through and deal with. They're the worst people in the world, who so easily destroy other human beings for a cheap, inconsequential, unimportant trade off on social media.

 

[BHWuser]

I mean, the numbers don't matter-- never mind that they're indeterminable because we can only judge based on what was definitely demonstrated to be false, the determination of which can happen years after conviction. 5% is still numerous individuals getting screwed over because of some borderline or because of some girl who didn't want to own up to her parents/her boyfriend about her having sex (with someone else) and lacks respect for herself and by extension everyone else she encounters.

I mean they only counted accusations that were admitted to be false. So whatever that tells you.

 

[Doctor D]

What a completely braindead argument. They're telling the 5% who do get lied against to pound sand because they somehow think sex crimes somehow transcend the category of crimes overall and shouldn't be investigated and tried in court the same way (i.e. at all).

It's myopia-- the 5% are just a statistic in their abstract posturings. To them, they aren't people who get unjustly jailed for something they didn't do, rotting in jail and then coming out-- if they do-- decades behind everyone else, traumatized, and resocialized by a culture diametrically incompatible with our society.

We only recently managed to change the culture so that especially black Americans aren't put on a legal conveyor belt to jail when accused of crime, and we're arguably still struggling with that in some parts of the country, and they're trying to reestablish that-- just for men.

And never mind that they don't even recognize that man-on-man rape or women-on-man rape exists, if their argument is as narrow as you're making it out to be... or maybe they they get off on the former case and/or think the man got "lucky" in the latter case.

And the worst part is that none of this abstract posturing is even in the service of getting a supposed rapist jailed and segregated from society so that they can't menace it any longer-- it's in service of ruining a man so they can feel good about themselves for once in their objectively pathetic lives, or so they can fit in with people that'll inevitably eat them alive when the community needs a new sacrifice and they trip up.

Very thought provoking post, pleasure to read through.

And yeah, I believe the 25% stat is bit too simple. Creating a study on that would be incredibly hard. If I had to guess I'd say around a third are either fabricated or blown out of proportion. People really neglect to think that the mentally ill have even less qualms doing something morally wrong like this than a rational thinking one. A good rule of thumb is that if an otherwise reasonable person can be lead to doing it, assume a significant portion of the mentally ill population is doing it. They simply have less of a boundary. Of course this is a sweeping generalisation of mental illness and say, an autistic person, isn't necessarily going to be more likely. Schizophrenics definitely would though. They aren't too uncommon either.

 

[AnOminous]

Did she have a good character to begin with?

I suppose a reputation as a shit-tier toilet of a costhot is a reputation, of a sort.

The Duke LaCrosse case had one woman accuse three players on Duke's LaCrosse team of raping her, only to have the charges dropped after it turned out that she lied and her lawyer was actively trying to plant false info.

That was the state prosecutor, Mike Nifong, and he literally got disbarred and went to jail for flat out faking evidence.

 

[Harvey Danger]

Shit, we've already had several court cases where a woman cries rape and then DNA/investigation/cross examination proved that she made it all up. The Duke LaCrosse case had one woman accuse three players on Duke's LaCrosse team of raping her, only to have the charges dropped after it turned out that she lied and her lawyer was actively trying to plant false info.

There was even one case where a group of women got into an Uber (or a cab, not sure which), and then the next day accused the driver of sexually assaulting ALL OF THEM. The video taken from that night showed that he didn't so much as breathe on them, and the fucking bitches justified their false claim by saying "We didn't want to have to pay for our ride".

People have been lying about murder, incest, cheating, stealing, and everything else under the Sun since the beginning of time, yet somehow some dummies think that there is some magical force preventing humans from lying about rape.

More recently, we had the Kavanaugh hearings. People forget that this wasn't a case of just he-said-she-said, but that 3 out of his 5 accusers were found to be lying about violent rapes, date rapes, and gang rapes.

Spoiler: The details since I already typed it out in another thread

It's possible you never heard about the 3 Kavanaugh accusers who made up rapes just to stall his nomination, since the media quietly ignored them while hyperventilating over the 1 woman out of 5 (Christine Ford) who managed to have a less-than-nonsensical story. Senator Grassley's second referral letter to the Department of Justice is worth reading. The key bits:

Given her relatively unique name, Committee investigators were able to use open-source research to locate Ms. Munro-Leighton and determine that she: (1) is a left-wing activist; (2) is decades older than Judge Kavanaugh; and (3) lives in neither the Washington DC area nor California, but in Kentucky...

on November 1, 2018, Committee investigators connected with Ms. Munro-Leighton by phone and spoke with her about the sexual-assault allegations against Judge Kavanaugh she had made to the Committee. Under questioning by Committee investigators, Ms. Munro-Leighton admitted, contrary to her prior claims, that she had not been sexually assaulted by Judge Kavanaugh and was not the author of the original “Jane Doe” letter. When directly asked by Committee investigators if she was, as she had claimed, the “Jane Doe” from Oceanside California who had sent the letter to Senator Harris, she admitted: “No, no, no. I did that as a way to grab attention. I am not Jane Doe . . . but I did read Jane Doe’s letter. I read the transcript of the call to your Committee. . . . I saw it online. It was news.”

She further confessed to Committee investigators that (1) she “just wanted to get attention”; (2) “it was a tactic”; and (3) “that was just a ploy.” She told Committee investigators that she had called Congress multiple times during the Kavanaugh hearing process – including prior to the time Dr. Ford’s allegations surfaced – to oppose his nomination. Regarding the false sexual-assault allegation she made via her email to the Committee, she said: “I was angry, and I sent it out.” When asked by Committee investigators whether she had ever met Judge Kavanaugh, she said: “Oh Lord, no.”

Chuck Grassley - Munro-Leighton Referral Letter With Redacted Enclosures | Making False Statements | Federal Bureau Of Investigation | Free 30-day Trial | Scribd

Today Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley sends refers another fraudulent accuser of Justice Brett Kavanaugh for investigation and prosecution. In his letter to the FBI and DOJ the chairman notes: " I am writing to refer Ms. Judy Munro-Leighton for investigation of potential violations of...

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The previous accuser referred to DoJ for outright lying was Julie Swetnick, infamously represented by Michael Avenatti, who claimed she attended 9 different college parties where Kavanaugh orchestrated gang-rapes of drunken women.

The 3rd accuser, who seems to have disappeared down the memory hole, wasn't publicly identified. But their story fell apart after a reporter followed up with them, and I can't find it with a quick Google search.

The 4th accuser said Kavanaugh exposed himself to her during a party game, which implies there was a group of other people who also saw him... but mysteriously nobody in that group remembers such an event.

Which left Christine Blasey Ford, with her 36 year old allegation that nobody could corroborate, but she's the only one who didn't recant or get blown out by other witnesses. And that's why she's the only Stunning And Brave accuser the media mentions now.

Nevar forget that this kind of shit does happen, even when women know the actual, real world FBI will literally be knocking on your physical door to ask about it.

 

[BHWuser]

More recently, we had the Kavanaugh hearings. People forget that this wasn't a case of just he-said-she-said, but that 3 out of his 5 accusers were found to be lying about violent rapes, date rapes, and gang rapes.

Spoiler: The details since I already typed it out in another thread

It's possible you never heard about the 3 Kavanaugh accusers who made up rapes just to stall his nomination, since the media quietly ignored them while hyperventilating over the 1 woman out of 5 (Christine Ford) who managed to have a less-than-nonsensical story. Senator Grassley's second referral letter to the Department of Justice is worth reading. The key bits:

Chuck Grassley - Munro-Leighton Referral Letter With Redacted Enclosures | Making False Statements | Federal Bureau Of Investigation | Free 30-day Trial | Scribd

Today Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley sends refers another fraudulent accuser of Justice Brett Kavanaugh for investigation and prosecution. In his letter to the FBI and DOJ the chairman notes: " I am writing to refer Ms. Judy Munro-Leighton for investigation of potential violations of...

www.scribd.com

The previous accuser referred to DoJ for outright lying was Julie Swetnick, infamously represented by Michael Avenatti, who claimed she attended 9 different college parties where Kavanaugh orchestrated gang-rapes of drunken women.

The 3rd accuser, who seems to have disappeared down the memory hole, wasn't publicly identified. But their story fell apart after a reporter followed up with them, and I can't find it with a quick Google search.

The 4th accuser said Kavanaugh exposed himself to her during a party game, which implies there was a group of other people who also saw him... but mysteriously nobody in that group remembers such an event.

Which left Christine Blasey Ford, with her 36 year old allegation that nobody could corroborate, but she's the only one who didn't recant or get blown out by other witnesses. And that's why she's the only Stunning And Brave accuser the media mentions now.

Nevar forget that this kind of shit does happen, even when women know the actual, real world FBI will literally be knocking on your physical door to ask about it.

Ford can't recant at this point. She'd be facing perjury at that point. She's literally the only one who has to stick with the story or face major consequences.

 

[The Bright Lord]

Normies don't believe women lie about rape because nobody willingly associates with crazy people, therefore you're completely unlikely to know anyone who would ever do such a thing (because if you had the slightest inclination someone was that nuts, why would you be within a mile of them?)

The internet is totally different so us denizens have seen countless crazies, especially on a website like this. (But even before this I knew about a guy who faked being in a wheelchair for Twitch donations and someone else who faked cancer for gofundme money. Nobody you know irl would do that, but these people exist.)

When it comes to SJWs, feminists and allies they're obviously either delusional or lying when they pretend a woman would never lie about rape. (Kind of like how some of them are delusional enough to believe that Zoe, Anita and #Kickvic never ever did anything wrong but many are just engaging in cult-like tribalism as opposed to legitimately believing their innocence.)

It's just blatantly false anyways. There has never been a comprehensive study large enough to determine how many cases of rape allegations are true or false. They are literally just assuming that the only ones that are broadcast to be false are the only false ones.

However, and if I can find the study again I'll get into it. but small studies have said anywhere from 25 to 40% are false.

They (feminists and SJWs) say that a huge amount of rapists don't get convicted, but if you look at the statistics that only makes sense if you assume everyone who's accused or charged must be guilty. But logically only someone convicted of rape is a rapist to begin with, everyone else is innocent and most of those other accusations were likely false. The most likely meaning is there's more false rape accusations than true ones.

(And yes, the reason that they think only 3-5% are false is that they only count the cases proven false beyond a shadow of a doubt, and not all the people who get accused but don't even make it to trial because there's so little evidence

 

[troondetector]

Very thought provoking post, pleasure to read through.

And yeah, I believe the 25% stat is bit too simple. Creating a study on that would be incredibly hard. If I had to guess I'd say around a third are either fabricated or blown out of proportion. People really neglect to think that the mentally ill have even less qualms doing something morally wrong like this than a rational thinking one. A good rule of thumb is that if an otherwise reasonable person can be lead to doing it, assume a significant portion of the mentally ill population is doing it. They simply have less of a boundary. Of course this is a sweeping generalisation of mental illness and say, an autistic person, isn't necessarily going to be more likely. Schizophrenics definitely would though. They aren't too uncommon either.

Yeah I think it'd be virtually impossible to create an accurate statistic since so many of the claims are still contended. What amounts to she-said he-said with no proof either way. We can estimate, but that's about it.

On top of that, what do you they think would happen to the number of false claims if we just decided to execute everyone accused on the spot like they want? No way sped's like them would use it as a weapon against anyone they don't like!

Of course, that in truth is their goal. The ability to remove any man who steps out of line (or body cam them self like a precriminal or follow the Pence rule) from the equation instantly in the name of "dismantling the patriarchal power structure"

 

[BHWuser]

Normies don't believe women lie about rape because nobody willingly associates with crazy people, therefore you're completely unlikely to know anyone who would ever do such a thing (because if you had the slightest inclination someone was that nuts, why would you be within a mile of them?)

The internet is totally different so us denizens have seen countless crazies, especially on a website like this. (But even before this I knew about a guy who faked being in a wheelchair for Twitch donations and someone else who faked cancer for gofundme money. Nobody you know irl would do that, but these people exist.)

When it comes to SJWs, feminists and allies they're obviously either delusional or lying when they pretend a woman would never lie about rape. (Kind of like how some of them are delusional enough to believe that Zoe, Anita and #Kickvic never ever did anything wrong but many are just engaging in cult-like tribalism as opposed to legitimately believing their innocence.)



They (feminists and SJWs) say that a huge amount of rapists don't get convicted, but if you look at the statistics that only makes sense if you assume everyone who's accused or charged must be guilty. But logically only someone convicted of rape is a rapist to begin with, everyone else is innocent and most of those other accusations were likely false. The most likely meaning is there's more false rape accusations than true ones.

(And yes, the reason that they think only 3-5% are false is that they only count the cases proven false beyond a shadow of a doubt, and not all the people who get accused but don't even make it to trial because there's so little evidence

They also neglect the bit where rape is one of the easiest crimes to falsely accuse someone of and be believed. It's a crime with one of the lowest levels of evidence required to convict. Many of those instances of it being found to not have enough evidence is likely shaky, if not arguably wrong, stories and evidence to support that nothing ever happened. While not actually outright calling the girl a liar. Because, in some instances, they don't have the proof for that either and it's better to just drop the case as something they can't do anything with.

 

[OldAmishRenegade]

Dominique thinks silence means consent, confirmed.

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[Gee Willows Wilson!]

That is their goal: To falsely accuse and try to take away their jobs so they go bankrupt and cannot support their families.

Marring them for life as monsters and sexual abusers because they took a projector once.

 

[Doctor D]

Yeah I think it'd be virtually impossible to create an accurate statistic since so many of the claims are still contended. What amounts to she-said he-said with no proof either way. We can estimate, but that's about it.

On top of that, what do you they think would happen to the number of false claims if we just decided to execute everyone accused on the spot like they want? No way sped's like them would use it as a weapon against anyone they don't like!

Of course, that in truth is their goal. The ability to remove any man who steps out of line (or body cam them self like a precriminal or follow the Pence rule) from the equation instantly in the name of "dismantling the patriarchal power structure"

Implying pence didnt get absolutely shit on for... Not having private dinner with women. Never forget the clown timeline we're in. Assume everything to be insane

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Implying pence didnt get absolutely shit on for... Not having private dinner with women. Never forget the clown timeline we're in. Assume everything to be insane

At least they won't be able to say he raped anyone