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Steamboat_Bill said:
I own Ballad of the Daltons on VHS and while it's a very funny film, I honestly don't know if I could actually show it to anyone. Once the Chinese laundryman shows up they're going to think I'm a racist.
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Sad.

Reminded "Daisy Town" only had once voice actor for the whole English version, Rich Little!

Lucky Luke also had two TV animated shows produced in the 80's and 90's, Hanna-Barbera apparently worked on the first show.
 
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I've only seen the first 3 seasons but I honestly liked Steven Universe pretty good.

However there's no denying there's some SJW flavoring, I didn't think it was overwhelming enough to spoil the show, but I've been hesitant to watch more because I feel like there's little chance it couldn't have gotten overwhelming in recent years.

Can anyone who's seen more recent episodes give me the skinny, is it still worth watching?

The main thing that kinda killed my interest though was the dip in animation quality, it went from a pretty beautiful looking show for about the first 65 episodes or so before an obvious dip in quality, I'm assuming they had to take a hit in the budget in order to keep the series going past the point many animated series end.
 
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WinterMoonsLight said:
I never got the hype surrounding Adventure Time. I watched a few episodes, and I can see why it would have a fanbase, it's not a bad show...but people act like it's some masterpiece when all it was is a halfway decent cartoon, nothing more.
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It was a fucking masterpiece compared to any kids' show that came out within 5 years before it.
 
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Dom Cruise said:
I've only seen the first 3 seasons but I honestly liked Steven Universe pretty good.

However there's no denying there's some SJW flavoring, I didn't think it was overwhelming enough to spoil the show, but I've been hesitant to watch more because I feel like there's little chance it couldn't have gotten overwhelming in recent years.

Can anyone who's seen more recent episodes give me the skinny, is it still worth watching?

The main thing that kinda killed my interest though was the dip in animation quality, it went from a pretty beautiful looking show for about the first 65 episodes or so before an obvious dip in quality, I'm assuming they had to take a hit in the budget in order to keep the series going past the point many animated series end.
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About the SJW angle, there are a few episodes in s4 that lay it very thick, like Gem Harvest, where one of Greg's relatives is portrayed as the stereotypical racist Republican. Season 5 has less time for this since they had to close the storylines, but the writers deemed necessary to inform us about Stevonnie biological processes (they grow a beard and need to shave, something I really didn't want to know). I found it worth watching because the show still has several good moments, but the pacing issues are even more evident than in the other seasons: the amount of fillers, especially in s5, can be very frustrating, so the ending feel rushed, if they had more episodes to develop the plot, it would have been more satisfying.

One episode I personally found hilarious is S4 Rocknaldo. In the writers' intentions it was a critique about how a few fans try to police the fandom, but IMHO it describes peak trans perfectly.
 
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TungstenCarbide said:
One episode I personally found hilarious is S4 Rocknaldo. In the writers' intentions it was a critique about how a few fans try to police the fandom, but IMHO it describes peak trans perfectly.
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Considering it was co-written/boarded by Zuke, it'd be a surprise if it didn't invoke such implications.
 
Trilby said:
Sad.

Reminded "Daisy Town" only had once voice actor for the whole English version, Rich Little!

Lucky Luke also had two TV animated shows produced in the 80's and 90's, Hanna-Barbera apparently worked on the first show.
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I've not seen the series or the most recent film, but it's on my to watch list.

Come to think of it, another decent TV show for its time was the original and pretty based is the Adventures of Tin Tin, in the pilot episode, someone is murdered for breaking up a heroin smuggling operation. In the next episode, that continues, it's retconned to weapons, but that's still pretty based for a kids series IMHO.
 
Kaiser Wilhelm's Ghost said:
I've not seen the series or the most recent film, but it's on my to watch list.

Come to think of it, another decent TV show for its time was the original and pretty based is the Adventures of Tin Tin, in the pilot episode, someone is murdered for breaking up a heroin smuggling operation. In the next episode, that continues, it's retconned to weapons, but that's still pretty based for a kids series IMHO.
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I'm sure you're referring to Nelvana's series from the early 90's, that was a classic for being pretty close to it's source material.

EDIT: For episode!
 
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Kaiser Wilhelm's Ghost said:
I've not seen the series or the most recent film, but it's on my to watch list.

Come to think of it, another decent TV show for its time was the original and pretty based is the Adventures of Tin Tin, in the pilot episode, someone is murdered for breaking up a heroin smuggling operation. In the next episode, that continues, it's retconned to weapons, but that's still pretty based for a kids series IMHO.
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Trilby said:
I'm sure you're referring to Nelvana's series from the early 90's, that was a classic for being pretty close to it's source material.

EDIT: For episode!
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I remember really enjoying that Tin Tin cartoon as a kid when they would play reruns of it on Nickelodeon.
 
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For the most part the Fritz Freleng produced Dr. Seuss specials are much better than the Chuck Jones Produced ones. The animation is excellent, the music is superb, and the voice acting is phenomenal. There's a reason the only Chuck Jones produced special people remember is How the Grinch Stole Christmas! whereas most people know about The Cat in the Hat, The Lorax Dr. Seuss on the Loose and Halloween is GrinchNight. I will say though that the last two specials (Grinch Grinches the Cat in the Hat and The Butter Battle Book) were weaker though this was in large part due to Fritz Freleng having a handsoff approach and the fact that the voice actors who made the original specials work were either dead (Hans Conried and Allan Sherman), weren't invited back (Hal Smith, Thurl Ravenscroft) or had moved on to other projects. Also as one final annoyance I was kind of pissed that Frank Welker was given a slot in The Grinch Grinches the Cat in the Hat. The Fritz Freleng produced films always had a golden age of animation tone to them and giving a Hannah Barbara stooge like Welker a role really removed that feel
 
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8777BB5 said:
For the most part the Fritz Freleng produced Dr. Seuss specials are much better than the Chuck Jones Produced ones. The animation is excellent, the music is superb, and the voice acting is phenomenal. There's a reason the only Chuck Jones produced special people remember is How the Grinch Stole Christmas! whereas most people know about The Cat in the Hat, The Lorax Dr. Seuss on the Loose and Halloween is GrinchNight. I will say though that the last two specials (Grinch Grinches the Cat in the Hat and The Butter Battle Book) were weaker though this was in large part due to Fritz Freleng having a handsoff approach and the fact that the voice actors who made the original specials work were either dead (Hans Conried and Allan Sherman), weren't invited back (Hal Smith, Thurl Ravenscroft) or had moved on to other projects. Also as one final annoyance I was kind of pissed that Frank Welker was given a slot in The Grinch Grinches the Cat in the Hat. The Fritz Freleng produced films always had a golden age of animation tone to them and giving a Hannah Barbara stooge like Welker a role really removed that feel
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Corrections:

1. His name is Friz Freleng.
2. Friz Freleng didn't do The Butter Battle Book. Ralph Bakshi did.
 
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The Pink Panther said:
Corections:

1. His name is Friz Freleng.
2. Friz Freleng didn't do The Butter Battle Book. Ralph Bakshi did.
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The Pink Panther said:
Corections:

1. His name is Friz Freleng.
2. Friz Freleng didn't do The Butter Battle Book. Ralph Bakshi did.
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I always forget that there's no t in his name. Also I didn't realize he didn't produce the Butter Battle Book. I knew Bakshi directed it instead of Gerard Baldwin but I didn't realize Freleng didn't produce.
 
8777BB5 said:
For the most part the Fritz Freleng produced Dr. Seuss specials are much better than the Chuck Jones Produced ones. The animation is excellent, the music is superb, and the voice acting is phenomenal. There's a reason the only Chuck Jones produced special people remember is How the Grinch Stole Christmas! whereas most people know about The Cat in the Hat, The Lorax Dr. Seuss on the Loose and Halloween is GrinchNight. I will say though that the last two specials (Grinch Grinches the Cat in the Hat and The Butter Battle Book) were weaker though this was in large part due to Fritz Freleng having a handsoff approach and the fact that the voice actors who made the original specials work were either dead (Hans Conried and Allan Sherman), weren't invited back (Hal Smith, Thurl Ravenscroft) or had moved on to other projects. Also as one final annoyance I was kind of pissed that Frank Welker was given a slot in The Grinch Grinches the Cat in the Hat. The Fritz Freleng produced films always had a golden age of animation tone to them and giving a Hannah Barbara stooge like Welker a role really removed that feel
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Seuss felt the same.
 
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Dom Cruise said:
I remember really enjoying that Tin Tin cartoon as a kid when they would play reruns of it on Nickelodeon.
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I was glad Nickelodeon picked it up after HBO had it.

The Pink Panther said:
Corections:

1. His name is Friz Freleng.
2. Friz Freleng didn't do The Butter Battle Book. Ralph Bakshi did.
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Yep! The last special Friz would produce was "The Grinch Grinches The Cat in the Hat", though it was animated by Marvel Productions (which had a lot of former DePatie-Freleng guys on staff then)!

I will say Bakshi seemed far more hands-off with his adaptation of The Butter Battle Book than anyone could give him credit for! What made Chuck's Seuss specials stick out was his usual directorial flourishes and I could see why Ted Geisel went with Friz starting with The Cat in the Hat.
 
Trilby said:
What made Chuck's Seuss specials stick out was his usual directorial flourishes and I could see why Ted Geisel went with Friz starting with The Cat in the Hat.
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Was it because Chuck Jones always turned shit into his own style whereas Freleng always stays in tact while still maintaining his style?
 
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