Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!


@edwin_boyette is holding a livestream letting people in to speak up and complain, etc.

I'm super late and even more gay so I will have to catch this reply. I think Edwin is good about keeping streams up so I won't have to miss out like TUG and Flash.

update: Ro and Pando just joined... This is going to be good sperg out material. :story:
 
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@edwin_boyette is holding a livestream letting people in to speak up and complain, etc.

I'm super late and even more gay so I will have to catch this reply. I think Edwin is good about keeping streams up so I won't have to miss out like TUG and Flash.

update: Ro and Pando just joined... This is going to be good sperg out material. :story:

Seems like it turned into an autist WC stream.
 
Brad Ashworth shit? I don't believe I am up to date on this.

Ro claims one of his many bad jokes at Anna's dead sister's expense.

TUG whittling everything down to 'Twitter drama' seems disingenuous.

Who the fuck is Dr. Write (sp?) and his deal with Doug? Ro addresses his feelings on Doug 'turning his back' on CG, despite him still keeping in contact with CGers, he just doesn't openly align himself now, mostly I assume because of his EWJ deal. And who even cares if he calls himself CG, he clearly still keeps the ideals of CG. - him and Ro are now getting at each other, I don't know who any of these speds are but it's interesting... mildly.

Syrena (possible Nerkish clown) calls out Ro about his issues with Doug. Mentions the memes and being 'hurt' by them. Brings up Tim Lim and the negative interactions he's had at the hands of WC memes, of course, WC gives the advice of "if you get meme'd on, meme back, yanno?" which is just asinine.

Ro heads off and time is given to an actual sloth. Holy. Fuck.

I'll edit and add more points of interest as this goes on.

Seems like it turned into an autist WC stream.
Seems like it. I don't know what I expected.
 
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Ro keeps saying that WC isn't into playing the victim, yet every comment someone makes Ro takes as an attack. He loves to be the victim. #BlameWarCampaign

But it's all just the the lolz man. God, this is so Kekistan.
My thing about this is WC seems to be so blatant about this shit, and when the Anti-CG people do it, they get jumped on immediately, they don't get believed (sometimes rightly so) but WC can just say something retarded and the prominent figures seem to just gloss over it. - Especially when it comes to Doug

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All I know is I knew War Campaign were faggots the moment they larped sucking wolf cocks due to their Romaboo autism. Anyone who chose to mimic it are equally worth ignoring.

That made me discount and ignore them beyond watching the tardfest in this thread.
 
Hearing men in their 40s say "meme" numerous times in the span of only like 5 minutes is so cringey.
I find a charm when Yaboi says it, because I'm just like "He's a dad. He's doing the dad thing." hearing these idiots say it is just... making my skin crawl - this isn't an anti-WC point, but just a point in general.

Also, whoever the fuck Joyful is, he needs to change his fucking name, or something. Why did they let this tortoise have air time?
Edit: he's on the spectrum.
 
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I find a charm when Yaboi says it, because I'm just like "He's a dad. He's doing the dad thing." hearing these idiots say it is just... making my skin crawl - this isn't an anti-WC point, but just a point in general.

Also, whoever the fuck Joyful is, he needs to change his fucking name, or something. Why did they let this tortoise have air time?

Zack doesn't take this shit as serious as WC does. WC is so serious that it takes the fun right out of the word.

Joyful needs to change his avatar to Eeyore.
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Edit: he's on the spectrum.

Aren't they all?
 
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Brad Ashworth shit? I don't believe I am up to date on this.

Ro claims one of his many bad jokes at Anna's dead sister's expense.

TUG whittling everything down to 'Twitter drama' seems disingenuous.

Who the fuck is Dr. Write (sp?) and his deal with Doug? Ro addresses his feelings on Doug 'turning his back' on CG, despite him still keeping in contact with CGers, he just doesn't openly align himself now, mostly I assume because of his EWJ deal. And who even cares if he calls himself CG, he clearly still keeps the ideals of CG. - him and Ro are now getting at each other, I don't know who any of these speds are but it's interesting... mildly.

Syrena (possible Nerkish clown) calls out Ro about his issues with Doug. Mentions the memes and being 'hurt' by them. Brings up Tim Lim and the negative interactions he's had at the hands of WC memes, of course, WC gives the advice of "if you get meme'd on, meme back, yanno?" which is just asinine.

Ro heads off and time is given to an actual sloth. Holy. Fuck.

I'll edit and add more points of interest as this goes on.


Seems like it. I don't know what I expected.
The Brad Ashworth situation happened all because he thanked Crypto comics for helping him set up his Indiegogo page. The blowback from WC fags included the false accusations of wanting to sell credit card information.

Dr. Write is still bitter with TenNapel for his part in burning Indiecron to the ground even though it was Jean Luc Meisel and Dr. Writes idea to make indiecron Comicsgate exclusive which lead to the eventual burning of indiecron.

What wasn't mentioned is how Panboy stalks Tim Lims Facebook for their boomer collages.
 

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Hearing men in their 40s say "meme" numerous times in the span of only like 5 minutes is so cringey.

EDIT: Is this "Joyful" guy gonna an hero himself on stream?

Just because they're old enough to remember when memes were words in Impact font on pictures of cats doesn't mean they don't know what they are.
 
Zack doesn't take this shit as serious as WC does. WC is so serious that it takes the fun right out of the word.

Joyful needs to change his avatar to Eeyore.
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Aren't they all?
Zack seems like he just wants to sell his G.I.Joe Jawbreakers and move on in life, you know... Like a comic fan and creator. That's why I don't get why WC can't just be fans or creators, or both and just stop with the gayops bullshit.

And yes, that's fair... They are all on the spectrum, at least Joyful has the decency to admit and own it. Which oddly enough makes him more human than the rest of them. He could stand to take some uppers though.
 
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Zack seems like he just wants to sell his G.I.Joe Jawbreakers and move on in life, you know... Like a comic fan and creator. That's why I don't get why WC can't just be fans or creators, or both and just stop with the gayops bullshit.

Because they don't really give a fuck about keeping comics free of politics, they just want it to be their politics.
 
Putting aside my yellow fever, and how much I would want to bed and wed her... This is the article Yaboi and @FROG commented on today's live stream. All 'bad touch' jokes aside, the article is such a fucking joke and a perfect SJW catalog of ideas.

Counter argument- she isn't an art teacher- she's portfolio tutor and these are very different thing. Which means her job is to help high school kids to get to art school - and to have the best portfolio suited for that school.
She is correct in her assessment that pretty comics pinups won't get you admitted and will get you ridiculed instead (I'd know, I was art TA during my uni years and helped with organisation of entrance portfolio reviews). She is correct saying that you can't build a portfolio solely on images of Miss World pinups, unless you're applying for that exact job and my guess is that job doesn't really exist.

She is correct in suggesting that art lessons that are supposed to get you to college are not a place to draw comics chicks (just watch on YT showoff of accepted and not accepted portfolios, you'll quickly get the gist what isn't wanted.). And her reasoning is shit as she is absolutely incorrect about shaming people for drawing whatever the fuck they want instead of actually explaining like they can do it when they art done with art education for themselves and in their spare time. If she is having problems with explaining people why she does this stuff and maybe realize her reasoning with teenagers just doesn't work. or maybe she's just not really good educator in the first place.

(My art teacher never told me not to draw pretty people- he just said ugly people are easier to portray, because they are characteristic in that it's easier to draw a guy with a big gut and make people see resemblance even if it's slightly off rather than a guy with perfect abs, because then you have to draw those abs perfectly. And when you want to impress portfolio people you want to go with expression rather than copy-pasting skills. And he is right. And everybody agreed with him, because our goal was to get into highly competitive art programs and he had really high ratio of passing.)

But then I went to her portfolio and yeah. Fucking realistic and ugly rendition of Red Riding Hood. Especially that wolf looks like an incel straight from his momma's basement.

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Tutor article

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Putting aside my yellow fever, and how much I would want to bed and wed her... This is the article Yaboi and @FROG commented on today's live stream. All 'bad touch' jokes aside, the article is such a fucking joke and a perfect SJW catalog of ideas.

Now, I know I am just some fuck from the internet, I don't have any art degrees, I don't have awards, I don't have articles on The Lily with titles like: "I work with my friend at a garage and sometimes he says things that are really problematic and only promote toxic masculinity" or "I was once a teenage Mexican-American without a care in the world, but Trump showed up and now I'm afraid I'll get deported to Sri Lanka." Seriously, what is with these titles that are just the opening sentence?

"For me, illustration should be used as a visual tool for communication and self-expression; therefore, it is vital to portray accurate representations of oneself. A number of my students illustrate female bodies in unrealistically distorted, sexualized ways. It’s distressing to realize that those bodies are what they project onto themselves and that they don’t realize the problem at hand. "
The problem here is that it's subjective what she feels, what art is to one person is different from another person. While I agree that art does require some set of boundaries, telling children to draw the way YOU want to is not your job. She feels like illustration should be a visual tool for communication and that's pretty much correct, but how can you tell another person their communication is incorrect? Say a fat lard sits down and he draws Superman, muscular, strong features, handsome, etc. How can she claim that it's not how the artist themselves view their body, I thought body positivity was important? This goes to the whole SJW talking point of what society deems attractive, but she still is determined to change his/her idea and that's dangerous - that's SJWism.

"Often, I find it difficult to talk to my students about how to draw realistic female bodies"
Here's the problem. She deems slender, athletic, round, fit, tall, handsome, beautiful women and men as unrealistic. She's de-personing anyone who takes time out of their day to keep themselves their idea of healthy and fit. We are all individuals, what I find fit, might be different from someone else, and that's fine. It sounds like she wants to control, again, what her students believe to be realistic, or beautiful by their own personal standards.

"I try to tell my students: 'You may want to draw nude bodies based on observation rather than imagination. Nobody has a perfect body, and imperfection helps the audience relate to your work'."
This isn't inherently true. Yes, small imperfections can get an artist or audience's excitement up. But people do exist in the inverse. I myself find facial moles gross, unless they meet certain size, and location on the face. For example, a lip mole (like Marilyn Monroe) is absolutely gross to me. But take that mole, size it down and put it under the eye, and I'm a little more accepting. I'm also not fond of overly large breast on women, a lot of weebshit art has their women with giant tits - doesn't work for me, but it does for the artist. Some people love scars on a person, others don't. Tattoos, etc. But again, everyone is different - no artist is going to convince everyone their work is good, and it has nothing to do with imperfections, or "muh perfect unrealiztic bodie"

"I like your comic, but have you tried drawing characters that are not so skinny? Not so perfect, like a Barbie doll? - Your comic is about self-expression, so what does your body look like? Does it look this way? - Art can go beyond pretty. - You should be drawing a normal realistic person: somebody you would see walking down the street."
This is a hypothetical conversation that has a lot to unpack. Iris is once again pinning the idea of perfection on this person. She herself sees no flaws in the character's appearance, but who is to say the perfection itself isn't it's imperfection? Does the artist in question view her as perfect? What if that's what the artist views THEMSELVES? She assigns the subject matter of the comic "it's about self-expression" but that's not always true either. Even if we give her the benefit of the doubt and it IS about self-expression why can the artist not be conveying that through the character? It's a weird off-handed insult. 'does your body look this way' fuck off. Telling the artist to draw who they see walking down the street, maybe they have, they saw someone who looked like that and said "this would be perfect for my comic" or project, whatever.

Like the last point, draw bodies based on observations, are you telling them that they have only observed fat out of shape Laurens? Not everyone wants to draw that way, it's not up for you to tell them what to draw.

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And here is the worst thing she's said. "It's much more difficult to change their minds" As a teacher, and more importantly, an art teacher - you shouldn't be changing people's minds. You should encourage them to broaden their skills, instead of saying 'draw more """realistic""" people, draw more fat people, draw this draw that' she should encourage artists to broaden their character models. Somehow I think these students DO, but she's so broken that she sees everything under 'Plus sized' as "unrealistic" or "too skinny" etc.

Her art isn't bad, I did some digging. She's pretty good when she isn't doing the little cute doodle characters [Though they aren't bad either] - there is importance in artists to be able to draw and paint different people, environments, subjects etc. Never ever limit yourself as an artist, but don't let people tell you what you DO draw, is wrong. If you find skinny women with giant titties attractive, draw it. You think a skinny twig of a man is artistic, go do it.

Just thought I'd rant - this isn't directly related to comicsgate, but a lot of artists currently drawing MARVEL right now come from this school of thought. That's where Yaboi came up with 'approved body type' when talking about flat, or fat, unattractive bodies.


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This actually opened my eyes to the way the SJW mindset works a bit. When this woman hears the phrase “self-expression” she takes it quite literally; self-expression, to her, is literally copying your “self” onto the page exactly as you are in real life. So if you’re trans you draw trans characters, if you’re black you write black characters, and so on. Everything you create has to be some sort of mirror of who you are. To her, anything else isn’t true self-expression because you’re expressing something that isn’t yourself.

I honestly think this is the way a lot of them think. I think it’s why you see so many transexual artists out there making “Bucky is ftm uwu” art, for example. And it’s why they think every audience member needs a character that exactly matches their skin tone and sexuality. Because to them, self-expression isn’t about creating things that bring yourself joy. It’s about creating things that are exactly like you and your world in order to truly express your “self.”
 
3rd month in a row that HULK beats Batman on the Top10 comic sales. Tom King Batman is slowly getting pushed out of the Top10:
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Mags' sales still dropping:
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It is a sad day when the fucking Hulk can outsell a mainline Batman comic. And they really have to stop giving Mags books. Woke doesn't put food on the table

I was keeping my eye on this project (Always punch Nazi's Vol 2) to see how well it would do. It's another enormous collaboration with 50+ people listed for 66 pages (maybe 132 if they include vol 1) and Mark Waid gave his seal of approval for Vol 1.
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Neat, maybe they can buy a pack gum once they take care of expenses.

Let's see how Ya Boi is doing after a week. Surely he can best something vouched for by the famous Mark Waid.
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