Jonathan Yaniv / Jessica Yaniv / @trustednerd / trustednerd.com / JY Knows It / JY British Columbia - Canada's Best Argument Against Transgender Self-Identification

[gobbogobb]

If the dildo company's outside PR firm had Johnny review one of their products that PR firm deserves to get every last bit of shit that's coming to them.

 

[Troon Anthropologist]

This is adorable and hilarious.

Poor Jonny Boy is all mad because his whole "I'm trans" excuse is going tits up.

Jonny, if you're reading this, and I know you are because you posted a screenshot of the Kiwi Farms to your Twitter (totally not at all like one of your followers can come here and find out your sordid history), just fucking common sense. People have the right to deny creeps like you because you could very easily use the whole thing as an excuse to coerce the poor female estheticians into sexually pleasuring you. I'm not trying to imply that's what you were doing (but it wouldn't surprise me if it was). And even if we ignore that, there's still the fact rhat such a procedure can harm such sensitive regions as the scrotum.

Also are you so fucking stupid that it's impossible for you to tell when you've won? At least two businesses have closed down because they refused to satisfy what I presume was your deviancy. You're not going to win again, stop trying. It's already despicable what you did and even sadder that your victory still isn't enough.

But sure, continue to convince people that you're the victim.

The expert witness being used in all three cases testified that men can become aroused from the handling that is necessary to carry out the procedure, and how men also tend to become violent when a woman denies sexual services when requested. She said that this causes concern for many reasons, including bodily harm to the aestheticians.
He knows, and he likes to inflict that fear for his own gain. He's literally been told about how horrible it can be, in a formal setting none the less. He doesn't care. He enjoys it. He had every opportunity to back out of this horrible situation that he's been forcing people into, instead he just asks if there's any limit to how much cash he can ask for without skipping a beat. He's going to reap what he's been sewing.

 

[Otterly]

but I also think that could be the starts of dementia.

Could well be part of it. Several of the mitochondrial diseases have dementia as a later stage. They’re a tragedy across generations, these two.

 

[sixthwave]

Could well be part of it. Several of the mitochondrial diseases have dementia as a later stage. They’re a tragedy across generations, these two.

At least we can take solace knowing the potato won't procreate.

 

[anephric]

Could well be part of it. Several of the mitochondrial diseases have dementia as a later stage. They’re a tragedy across generations, these two.

I’ve not seen anyone mention a ballpark number for the parent’s age. Anyone throw me a line? Obviously she’s older but just how much?

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Gotchu fam.

Welcome to nginx!

Can anybody enlighten me on why Johnny and mom argue about naming a cemetery for a bit? His mother seems determined to and Johnny doesn’t want her too. At first I thought it might be a doxing issue, but that ship sailed a looooong time ago.

Made me wonder if it was a Jewish cemetery. I had not noticed Jonathan using his actual Jewish ancestry for oppression points. He even went as far as to say he didn’t belong to any faith or cultural group on Twitter.

It all makes me wonder if Johnny is nervous about his activities getting back to some people in the Jewish community. Miriam seemed worried about the same thing. As if acting a fright in front of all these goys to try to bully immigrant women for a few bucks is a-okay but if this BS gets back to people Miriam wants to hang with down at the Jewish Community Center, that’s a real problem.

Having a big fat Troon bullying women into waxing his balls being identified as a Jewish might just piss off IRL people in the BC Jewish community and cause some problems for Miriam and her sister (who does not want anything to do with this). I bet the sister hates Jonathan.

 

[Cryin RN]

Ogre should never be let off the hook for anything. He's a savvier Yaniv and only cut him loose when Ogre's rat politician instincts correctly identified him as radioactive. Don't forget Ogre got a women's shelter shut down/fined into oblivion for being unfriendly to hulking troons trying to slide in.

Just going to clarify this, because this thread is going to get a LOT of outside attention now that the ban's been lifted (yay!). Morgane Oger did not succeed in shutting down Vancouver Rape Relief, a shelter for women (including aboriginal women) who are victims of sexual violence. He did succeed in getting the municipal chunk of its funding pulled, and he chose that angle of attack because he could not have successfully removed all of its funding. He did this because VRR refused to allow men in, and his bullying didn't even work, because they still don't! He uses the same logic as Yaniv to justify this shittiness: if you don't treat trans women EXACTLY like real ones, well, it's got to be illegal. Lurkers can check out more in Morgane's own thread. He's a big enabler of trans bullshit like Jonathan's in the Lower Mainland and deserves more sunlight.

 

[pr3nt177]

The expert witness being used in all three cases testified that men can become aroused from the handling that is necessary to carry out the procedure, and how men also tend to become violent when a woman denies sexual services when requested. She said that this causes concern for many reasons, including bodily harm to the aestheticians.
He knows, and he likes to inflict that fear for his own gain. He's literally been told about how horrible it can be, in a formal setting none the less. He doesn't care. He enjoys it. He had every opportunity to back out of this horrible situation that he's been forcing people into, instead he just asks if there's any limit to how much cash he can ask for without skipping a beat. He's going to reap what he's been sewing.

His performance in all this is so like rapists who sit in court when their victims are questioned about the details of the assault, listening to details of their sexual history being discussed etc knowing all the while the victims are scared and traumatised. The bonus for him is that he gets the thrill of being able to verbally confront these women himself. Horrible.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I’ve not seen anyone mention a ballpark number for the parent’s age. Anyone throw me a line? Obviously she’s older but just how much?

Given Johnny’s age and photos I’d guess Miriam is late 60s, maybe 70 or over. Probably looks older than she is because she been taking care of Johnny, not herself, for 35 years now.

Johnny was either a late in life “miracle baby” or Miriam was married off late in life to an older man.

 

[sixthwave]

Can anybody enlighten me on why Johnny and mom argue about naming a cemetery for a bit? His mother seems determined to and Johnny doesn’t want her too. At first I thought it might be a doxing issue, but that ship sailed a looooong time ago.

Made me wonder if it was a Jewish cemetery. I had not noticed Jonathan using his actual Jewish ancestry for oppression points. He even went as far as to say he didn’t belong to any faith or cultural group on Twitter.

It all makes me wonder if Johnny is nervous about his activities getting back to some people in the Jewish community. Miriam seemed worried about the same thing. As if acting a fright in front of all these goys to try to bully immigrant women for a few bucks is a-okay but if this BS gets back to people Miriam wants to hang with down at the Jewish Community Center, that’s a real problem.

Having a big fat Troon bullying women into waxing his balls being identified as a Jewish might just piss off IRL people in the BC Jewish community and cause some problems for Miriam and her sister (who does not want anything to do with this). I bet the sister hates Jonathan.

Could it just be the cemetery of the street JY adopted with the "hate tag"?

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Could it just be the cemetery of the street JY adopted with the "hate tag"?

But why would he care if that was named? The street adoptions are all for publicity and he promotes meeting him there for clean ups.

 

[anephric]

Johnny was either a late in life “miracle baby” or Miriam was married off late in life to an older man.

Funny you mention the “late life baby” because that’s exactly what I had in my head as well. I mean, just look at JY’s bizarre head proportions. Goddamned Van Gogh had to eat lead paint to come up with that sorta shit

 

[basilthebear]

Of all the shit to waste a city council's time on.
I use men's razors on my legs and haven't even died once. Does this mean I'm impervious to the patriarchy? Please advise.

Not being able to use free pink razors for their gender affirmation will lead to many troons dying

 

[Troon Anthropologist]

Can anybody enlighten me on why Johnny and mom argue about naming a cemetery for a bit?

I'm not exactly sure about this specific instance in the video, but in Elsie's transcripts they did threaten to leave Canada and take two buried people with them to be reburied in a place that wasn't as hateful.

 

[sixthwave]

But why would he care if that was named? The street adoptions are all for publicity and he promotes meeting him there for clean ups.

I think JY cares, especially with the stickers circulating. It has never been publicly said where the signs are. The "cleanup" was complete garbage, we know that.

 

[pr3nt177]

Just going to clarify this, because this thread is going to get a LOT of outside attention now that the ban's been lifted (yay!). Morgane Oger did not succeed in shutting down Vancouver Rape Relief, a shelter for women (including aboriginal women) who are victims of sexual violence. He did succeed in getting the municipal chunk of its funding pulled, and he chose that angle of attack because he could not have successfully removed all of its funding. He did this because VRR refused to allow men in, and his bullying didn't even work, because they still don't! He uses the same logic as Yaniv to justify this shittiness: if you don't treat trans women EXACTLY like real ones, well, it's got to be illegal. Lurkers can check out more in Morgane's own thread. He's a big enabler of trans bullshit like Jonathan's in the Lower Mainland and deserves more sunlight.

I can't speak for Canada or elsewhere but experience regarding Women's Refuges in UK is that boys over a certain age are not allowed in refuges and if it is deemed necessary to keep the older male with the mother then they are generally allocated to smaller safe houses.

The last thing the majority of abused women and their kids want is a male around them, even a 'girl' in a frock.

 

[my dick itches]

Long time lurker on this thread but just made an account to post, I have tried to transcribe the video. I didn't do a most thorough job, I put things in ** that I couldnt understand. I remember in goinglikeelises tweets she said Miriam said "the boy of the lgbtq" but she is actually saying voice not boy and I didn't hear Jessica ever once be misgenered.

Spoiler: transcript

Miriam: I don’t need that, Ok? I won’t *unintelligible* my late husband who in *unintelligible*
the Jewish cemetery. Doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter! I don’t care. They can go, go visit him. I don’t care.
Jessica: dont
Miriam: I don’t!
Jessica: Don’t dont dont
Miriam: *unintelligible*
Jessica: Don’t, don’t say which cemetery please
Miriam: I don’t care
Jessica: Don’t say which cemetery.
Miriam: I want to see somebody touching that
Jessica: Don’t, don’t
Miriam: I WANT TO SEE
Jessica: Mom, don’t. Don’t say which cemetery.
Miriam: I want to see somebody touching -
Jessica: DONT
Miriam: I don’t care
Jessica: I care
Miriam: I know you do
Jessica: So, my - my next question that I have, and I’m
Miriam: This is beyond the scope of this tribunal, a criminal, I called the police, the police will show up and deal with it, the police is on the way. I’m telling you this much. And an ambulance for my *son/self*.
Jessica: Um, kay. So my next question is, how important to me is my body image, and receiving gender affirming care? By gender affirming care I mean things such as manicures, things such as waxing, haircuts. The whole - how important is that to me?
Miriam: It - beyond anything that I have seen. I never *unintelligible* gender, this is completely new to me. When you came out in July, a year after *you done it?*, and you telling me after you told everybody else but me. It’s ok, I’m ok with it. No, I’m ok with it, but I could see one, you pushing the weight off your shoulder. So, why. Why do you want me to come, exactly? Why, are you ashamed? No, you are not. You are proud, and I applaud you to want to become the voice of the LGBQ and I applaud and I a proud mom that you want to. And being the voice, you need to present yourself as the right gender that you identity - identify with. Which means that you need service, in this case not denied, but accepted in order to become who you want to be.
Jessica: Um, do you consider haircuts and waxing - do you consider haircuts and waxing gender affirming care to further validate my gender identity, expression and sex as female. Yes or no?
Miriam: ya.
Jessica: So - oh, this is an important one that just gives *unintelligible back and forth*
Miriam: I don’t need to go into my emotion because I am not in a state of *unintelligible*
Jessica: So, ok. So I’m gonna get on- I’m gonna ask questions that give you overall picture of what I experience on a day-to-day basis, including stuff like this. If I may. So, so I am with you almost 24 hours a day.
Miriam: Or more
Jessica: Almost.
Miriam: My private time is an hour that I can have in a hot bath (Jessica interjects throughout this)
Jessica: So, I am with you a lot. We go to malls and such, we go to Tim Hortons, A&W, and all of the places. So what I am-
Miriam: You want to go, you want me to take, I don’t want - (I think I misheard this)
Jessica: What I - What I’m asking is have there been instances of discrimination towards me that you have personally seen. And describe some of those.
Miriam: Yes. And I was beside myself, because I did not realise the day to day iternet until I saw it myself. We went to a meeting with the Council of Langley, and it was a very nice *unintelligible* meeting, I enjoyed it a lot but it was clearly all about nine thirty, ten o clock at night. We went to Tim Hortons *unintelligible*, not going to say the location because it’s too personal, it will identify where we are. It’s a central location of Tim Horton. Jessica went [5:00] to the display to order some food, she was - pre-diabetes, she should have, she could feel in her blood sugar going down. And I was hungry too. And there wasn’t food. And, when we went into the window and ‘for you? Not for you. You can have only a drink. Food, no. So we didn’t even take the drink, we drove away. We went to a different Tim Horton in our neighbourhood. Ok, I am not going to say. We went to a different *unintelligble* Now, my assumption, I don’t know if we saw the person that was in the first location, but it belonged to the *unintelligible* that denying services to Jessica *unintelligible*. So I don’t want to go into racial, I’m not a racist, but they have something against gender. Is it based on religion, is it based on culture, I don’t know. The only thing I can say in regards to this is, I have two questions [someone farts] I have been to the previous proceeding, I wanted to say, to talk, but my position in public did not allow me. Now Im allowed. There are two points here. And first of all, I wanted to ask if father of - I don’t remember her name -
Jessica: Oh, um Suki
Miriam: With the translator
Jessica:With the translator?
Miriam: I don’t remember it
Jessica: Suki Hee Hargel [this can’t be right but idk how to check the tribunal records and its not that important]
Miriam: I don’t - I could not understand why the tribunal agreed to have a translator here. When I myself immigrated, I don’t know how long Mr Thorncop [wrong name again] is in Canada, but when you come to Canada you have to know the language. Otherwise why you coming here. You don’t want to amalgamate into the culture, why are you here? You cannot come to this country and force your religion and culture upon us. I am not enforcing my religion or my culture, or my belief on you. Don’t enforce them on me. And another thing I want to ask the gentlemen is do you go to the bank, or to the doctor. *unintelligble* So this was a big step to extend our nerves to the limit by providing a translator that took forever and ended up without wasting *unintelligble*. I don’t agree with my taxpayer paying for this translator, this is not the way I want my tax payment, to see my tax payements to go. And so, if I am stepping too far here, but it’s just my belief. The other question is human rights vs religion. Where do we go here? What *unintelligble as camera moves*
For me, human rights. I am a very religious person, I am a very ingrained Jewish person. I believe in God. God is holding me here right now. Why. Why do they have the right to come here, spending your time, the tribunals time, trying to convince you that their religion is not allowed them to touch a transgender, and men. Or whatever. Why? Why do you allow this to happen. Im sorry - I’m -
Devyn??: That’s ok. Miriam I think, I think you need, I think we’re getting far afield of the evidence that is going to be used,
Miriam: It can be for tomorrow
Devyn: I’m giving quite a bit of leeway here, so that you can get out what you need
Miriam: What that?
Jessica: Shes giving a lot of leeway here
Miriam: I’m sorry, I’m sorry
Devyn: I cannot use what you’re saying today in cases where the people you’re talking about are not here
Miriam: I know, ok I’m sorry
Devyn: Ok, because it’s not fair,
Jessica *unintelligble* tommorow, so they fair
Devyn: So is there anything else about Judy Tran’s case?
Miriam: I’m sorry. I’m not familiar with all of this, it’s a new environment for me.
Jessica: Um, now, we talked, we talked - well you answered a lot of this with *unintelligble* when you asked the *unintelligble* questions.
Miriam: So don’t ask them again then
Jessica: No, sorry. Ok. So I asked you about in person. I asked you about what happened in person -
Miriam: One minute, I said Tim Hortons. Now going to services, we are known. Of course we are known in *unintelligble, and Jessica say something*. Jessica went in and said I want my eyelashes filled in because half of it fell out. It was an important day before *unintelligble*, court appearance the next day so she wanted to look nice. I said go ahead, go, we have time. Go. So, she went in. At the beginning, yeah we do that, ok, we do that. Few minute after, no the woman that is doing it, she is not here, she is on vacation. I have to move forward, I have to a- no we cannot do that, goodbye. Then we went to the food court to order some food, I decided to go back and said I want my hair done. Sure you can. Can you do my eye brow - oh, my lashes? Sure we can. So, Hello. Jessica as a transgender cannot access those services, when I can because I look more like a woman than Jessica does.
Jessica: And then what did they say - you got a cramp, you ok? - What did they say when you asked if I can get the service. What did they say when you asked what about Jessica? What- what did - So they said, oh yeah you can get the service, you can get your eyebrows done, but when you asked if I can get mine done, what did they say
Miriam: No, no you can’t.
Jessica: Exactly, So, we talked, I’m almost done here, a couple more questions.
Miriam/ Jessica unintelligible exchange but it sounds like she wants to go and something is going on.
Jessica: I will, I’m almost done. Ok. So you -
Miriam: How important is it?
Jessica: It is important, it is important. Because youve seen the in person discrimination. But do you remember sitting with me at the dining room table, online approaching a salon, where you told me literally what to say, and seeing the backlash that I get for facials?
Miriam: Yes I do
Jessica: And what did they say
Miriam: No
Jessica: Exactly. Why, it’s because I’m transgender, right?
Miriam: Well it’s obvious and also *Camera shifts cant understand* I dunno, I dont know about that. Jessica?
Jessica: So, yeah. The question here. Do you think that much of - do you believe that much of this harrasment and refusal of service is a version of Neo- Nazism? That being-
Miriam: Why would you go there? As a Jewish person -
Jessica: No, I don’t know why I’m asking *back and forth and camera shifting* I’m going to ask the same question tomorrow. I
Jessica: Do you believe that much of the harassment and refusal of service - do you know what Neo-nazism is?
Miriam: Ya
Jessica: Ok. You do. So do you, do you believe that much of the harassment and refusal of service is a part of neonazism as the part one, and the part two of the question is, so, basically the reason I’m asking this is because neonazis seek to employ their ideaology to promote hatred and attack minorities, and
Miriam: Ok, I know where you’re going, I know
*camera shifting, unintelligible speaker is muffled*

Miriam: - Maybe tomorrow. I, yes. Even, I’m jewish. The backlash against, *muffled* as a jewish person, have been publicised, I’m not ok with this, my sister is not going. *muffled* I want to do a birthday party within the community, she wont go. She is refusing to go because of the antisemetism and the stress that we are experiencing as Jewish people because of social media.
Devyn: So, how much, how many more questions do you have?
Jessicane - two more, and then we are done. The first question, I think you answered, is what is the impact of the discrimination towards me?
Miriam: I already answered that a hundred times. I’m not answering that again.
Jessicak. So the last question I have, ya, cause you’ve already answered *muffled* - Describe my personality.
Miriam: What do you want? You are the most wonderful daughter that I ever had, and our connection is deepened day by day and day by day I am more proud, more proud of you, and really just proud of you. And I’m sure dad is too, and so is papa and omi, and ima. We all are proud of you, you are wonderful, your mission is wonderful. Becoming the voice of the *unknown* excuses, minorities, is wonderful. It’s just - I don’t know. I’m a proud mom. This is all I can say. I really am proud mom, and I’m not saying it just before the court. I am proud because its just that I wouldn’t be here if not for you, I wouldn’t be here. *unknown* I don’t care. I don’t care. We are all *unknown*. And her picture is out there. She don’t know about it because she’s not the tech that good, if she find out, she will jump.
Jessica: um
Miriam: enough?
Jessica: That’s everything.
Miriam: I think so - we have two hours.
Devyn: thank you, so, I’ve heard the evidence that i need for this, so this proceeding. *muffled* No, I don’t have any questions. What I want to say though, is if you plan on having Miriam to testify tomorrow, you need to give Mr. Cameron note of that today. He may object, I will decide wether to allow it. But I want you, when you go home tonight you need to be prepared in case you can testify. And then Miriam Yaniv, you will be prepared that he will ask you questions
Miriam: I don’t have any fear. I’m not trying here, and everything is messed up. *muffled* anybody can ask me any questions.
Devyn: Ok. And as I have said, I have today allowed the testimony to go on for quite a bit longer, just beyond what I’m going to be able to use in this proceeding, so what has happened is I have heard it all, but now I take it and I decide if I can give it any weight, or no weight at all. That’s something I do in my decision. I think, when there’s somebody else in the room, as you know, you can anticipate some objections for some of these topics -
Jessica: I know
Devyn: -And frankly, you know, it’s likely that what you will be able to testify about tomorrow is going to be more limited.
Miriam:
Jessica:I know
Miriam: This is your court room, this is your proceeding, you’re in charge of it, and I respect that, and if you say objection, I do understand that. As I said before I don’t understand - this is a new environment for me, I’m just talking my heart out.
Devyn: Thank you, so I am just preparing you for that because some of the testimony about matters that are not the subject of this *muffle camera but she seems to be explaining that she has discretion to do things and giving them advice about some stuff the defendants will do*.

Jessica: Because I know the tribunal is under - Is there any threshold that you or the other tribunal members are able to award when it comes to costs??
Devyn: Ok this is, I cannot *muffled, something about other party?* we’re on the record so I’ll hear the question, but I cant talk to you about other cases. Is there a maximum costs threshold under the law? No
Jessica: There isn’t?
Devyn: No.
Jessica: Ok. ha ha. Ok.
Devyn: Ok. So I will see you back here at ten o clock tomorrow morning *muffle* todays proceedings are adjourned

 

[LU 010]

That's probably my favorite thing about this cow, he just keeps giving himself more rope to hang with.

His exceptional stupidity is the comic relief this thread so desperately needs. Every time you start to get too disgusted and angry about a sexual predator using the canadian government to try and coerce women into fondling his testicles, he does something so stupendously pants-on-head rarted that you can't help but laugh like you're being gassed with nitrous.

 

[gobbogobb]

Remember back in the first hundred or so pages of this thread where everyone thought Johnny boy was an evil genius who was going to destroy freedom on the internet?

Funny how it looks when the house of cards finally falls down.

At this rate if he wins we'll have to rename phyrric victory to yaniv victory.

 

[TheBlackVolga]

Suki Hee Hargel

I can't vouch for the family name but Suchi (Sue-chee) is an Indian woman's name.

And, thank you Farmer, for taking the time to do the transcript. Much appreciated.