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I don't see any appearances left for Vic, so I figured I'd compare his to the other 2 idiots. Seems like he's doing okay.

Vic Mignogna
9 appearances total.
10 cancellations.

Gained (unlisted):
- Puerto Rico Comic Con
- Comic Con Ireland
- Super World Con
- Special mention: Martial Arts and More

Monica Rial
11 appearances total.
1 cancellation, replaced by comic book shop signing with the appearance of Mall Cop.

Jaime Marchi
8 appearances.
1 cancellation (infamous SCCC brigade)
 
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I don't see any appearances left for Vic, so I figured I'd compare his to the other 2 idiots. Seems like he's doing okay.

Vic Mignogna
9 appearances total.
10 cancellations.

Gained (unlisted):
- Puerto Rico Comic Con
- Comic Con Ireland
- Super World Con
- Special mention: Martial Arts and More

Monica Rial
11 appearances total.
1 cancellation, replaced by comic book shop signing with the appearance of Mall Cop.

Jaime Marchi
8 appearances.
1 cancellation (infamous SCCC brigade)
Losing 10 cons and having less appearances than 5th Bulma/Froppy is pretty bad damage. I'd be a lot more horrified if he had less appearances than the feminazi who only voices degenerate fap bait, and Ellie
 
I have to respectfully disagree. TFS's work is clearly fair use....

that said, you could make an argument that Toei has enough fuck you money to circumvent US Law and get DBZA shut down... you could also argue that doing so gets a bunch of angry weebs fucking over their systems and costing them money.
On what planet is what TFS is doing fair use?

If DBZA were fair use, the USA network would have not had to license Dynaman from Toei for their parody dub, Mel Brooks would not have had to ask permission from George Lucas to do Space Balls, and the MST3K crew would not have had to pay royalties to rip on movies.

Fair use is first and foremost a defense against copyright infringement. And were TFS try to invoke it, they would be beaten into the ground regardless of how much more money Toei has than them. Generally, the four factors when measuring fair use are: the purpose and character of your use, the nature of the copyrighted work, the amount and substantiality of the portion taken, and the effect of the use upon the potential market. In my non-lawyer opinion, that third factor in particular is what would get them eaten alive in court, but I'm sure the other factors wouldn't significantly help them either.
 
On what planet is what TFS is doing fair use?

If DBZA were fair use, the USA network would have not had to license Dynaman from Toei for their parody dub, Mel Brooks would not have had to ask permission from George Lucas to do Space Balls, and the MST3K crew would not have had to pay royalties to rip on movies.

Fair use is first and foremost a defense against copyright infringement. And were TFS try to invoke it, they would be beaten into the ground regardless of how much more money Toei has than them. Generally, the four factors when measuring fair use are: the purpose and character of your use, the nature of the copyrighted work, the amount and substantiality of the portion taken, and the effect of the use upon the potential market. In my non-lawyer opinion, that third factor in particular is what would get them eaten alive in court, but I'm sure the other factors wouldn't significantly help them either.
I agree, there's no way TFS is actual fair use. Parody or not they're essentially redubbing the series and releasing it.
It would be different if they were drawing their own scenes and such but they're using huge chunks of the official material.
I think Funimation should have just picked them up and made DBZA an official thing and showed Toei the bucks they could make off it, I'm sure it would have been a lot.
 
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I agree, there's no way TFS is actual fair use. Parody or not they're essentially redubbing the series and releasing it.
It would be different if they were drawing their own scenes and such but they're using huge chunks of the official material.
I think Funimation should have just picked them up and made DBZA an official thing and showed Toei the bucks they could make off it, I'm sure it would have been a lot.
The only thing I could say about that is that some have said Team Four Star is making a dub that could rival some official dubs without realizing it. What would Funimation do to make it official? Put it on their YouTube channel? I mean, isn’t Funimation, or at least Chris Sabat, the only reason these guys aren’t constantly buttfucked by Toei?
 
The only thing I could say about that is that some have said Team Four Star is making a dub that could rival some official dubs without realizing it. What would Funimation do to make it official? Put it on their YouTube channel? I mean, isn’t Funimation, or at least Chris Sabat, the only reason these guys aren’t constantly buttfucked by Toei?
I assume Funimation would make the series official by letting them use the inhouse studio, getting 'ownership' of TFS, and yeah I guess release it on their own youtube channel and maybe TV. It'd fit right in on Adult Swim or something.
Yeah pretty sure Funi is the only thing keeping them around but I imagine it'd be less headaches for everyone if they could somehow convince Toei to just let them do it.
 
They fail spectacularly on the question of if DBZA acts as a replacement for the original work.

An abridgement by definition is a shortening without losing the sense of whatever is being abridged, I'd argue that an abridgement fails to qualify as parody and would not fall under fair use.
 
Couple of things;
The name change wasn't on Funimation, the manga and LN had the same change due to the literal translation of Youjo Senki being "little girl military chronicles" which doesn't roll off the tongue so well.

Second, the Japanese VA for Tanya is perfect, Monica Rial dreams of being half as good as Aoi Yuki.

Third, the setting is a mix of ww1 and ww2 but i'd argue with the mages it's harder to equate it to one or the other.
I remember seeing a video years ago that I can't find now, when I was looking into this show. It was of people in funimation or crunchyroll talking about the anime adaptation and name change. They were casually mentioning that they had to change the name and since she was "evil" they had to add that. This was years ago and I only remember it, because I like the series and it was a petty thing to do.

I did find a ANN article talking about the LN getting made into an anime and they used the original title http://archive.fo/ze3eQ

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I don't doubt Youjo Senki could be reasonably be altered to "saga of Tanya". I just remember, but can't find proof (frustratingly) that Crunchyroll and Funimation had a hand in adding "the evil".

Also nobody cares about pre-Nazi history or Nazi history for that matter everything that looks like it might be a nazi is now a nazi.
 
Toei doesn't do anything in relation to the video games cause that's up to Namco Bandai's discretion for the most part. And when it comes to localization for the video games, it's done by Bandai themselves which then gets dubbing done by Sabat's studio directly.


Toei doesn't hate DBZA cause they mock DBZ, they hate it cause it uses their property (i.e. the anime footage) without permission and make money off the property. TFS can call it a parody all they want and give that little blurb in the beginning of videos but it would not save them were Toei to actually pursue legal action.

DBZA doesn't make money directly, which is the only thing that counts when it comes to copyright. Toei's problem is that they're stuck in the 19th century and don't understand what fair use parody is. This is extremely common of Japanese companies. They insist that they need to use DRM protection in games, they don't understand that piracy is 99% composed of people who never would have bought their game to begin with, and they very much don't understand fanmade works. There's a misunderstanding where people believe Japan is ahead of the game because it allows doujinshi, but in reality that's a closely regulated business that mostly exists because the companies feel looking the other way will be less trouble for them than trying to stomp it out, not because they actually realize it's good for their business. That's why every once in a while you'll hear about them attacking doujin, or going after scanlation sites that only cater to countries their manga isn't released in yet.

Japan is rabid about its copyright, and doesn't understand fair use or 'this loss leader increases fan support' at all.

Natewantstobattle? Wait someone made accusations against him or he made a false accusation? Also funny you should bring him up, he's the one performing the Dub opening theme for the universe survival arc



Explained later on, I really doubt they could've gotten away with this given what a big hate boner they have for TFS. Also I doubt Sabat or whoever at Funi would immediately put them in a starring role. They'd give it to another VA (like Sabat)



I think why he never brought it up is because he couldn't verify it or he was implying that he doesn't know if it does happen, but there are scenarios around Sabat that indicate that might be.



The Japanese are weird, either that or they're way ahead of their time. Plenty of good things get pissed on because of that.



LOL. Probably doesn't want to go to court and explain to everyone about exactly why she didn't like Vic.







Quite surprised to hear that and that he was part of that fake cell re-enactment too, but yeah, Toei *really* doesn't like them. A shit load of their episodes got copy struck last year or the year before leaving their entire channel fucked for a while.



Lol. That's a mild way of putting it. That 3 parter for episode 60 was probably the only good work they've put out in a while. That Dbz Kai abridged episode was shit IMO compared to their previous work



They won't say shit about it because per their social media appearance, they support victims but don't want to take a stance on the whole thing. Basically, they're kickvic but trying to pretend otherwise. It's been established. Further I think their chichi VA had a sperg out and accidentally revealed she was kickvic last month or earlier this month. I glossed over it in my feed but I think Senpaiishome and Emosh tweeted about it.



All of the DB content creators hate pre super Broly because

1) he's voiced by vic (and we know what their take on him is),

2) he very neatly summarizes Dragon Ball in his characater (beefy characters fucking the shit out of everyone and having weird and cool transformations)

and

3) per 2, they try to vehemently disagree that that's what dragon ball is about (despite it absolutely being the case, just with martial arts sprinkled in). Also because this is what 99% of the Dub community believes DB is about, and the content creators are sub elitists trying to pretend like they didn't grow up on the Funimation and Ocean dubs.



At the end of this, Vic will not take over Sabat's role as Don. As unfortunate as it may be, if you look and pay attention to vic you can see that's not what the guy is about. Also he won't have that kind of pull with funimation because he doesn't have his own studio like Sabat does.

You can argue that he can open his own studio (which, again, I doubt he will) and get all the business, but Sabat probably has a monopoly of all things VA in Texas atm. Not to mention alot of the guys giving him work really don't give two shits if Sabat tried to sabotage vic. Most of them are on Sabat's side. Prime example, Funimation.



Probably not if they aren't involved in any way or if they're smart. We all know what they're really like, but the more stupid fans might be swayed by their "we don't have a stance" statement. Likewise, these stupid fans could also be swayed if they release a statement about just how "sorry" they feel for vic, should all of Sabat's shit go public.



Although it might be justified in some cases, it's sad that YT has become a job now rather than a hobby for alot of people.

The issue is not making the videos, the issue is trying to keep your view and sub counts stable or increasing. The real test is whether you're quick and smart enough to adapt your content to keep your viewers sufficiently entertained. Pewdiepie is probably a good example for this. His content keeps changing. When he first started out he did games, then he did comedy skits, then he was a commentary Channel, heck, up until about a month back he was all about Memes and now he's doing minecraft vids

Wow this is wordy.

Natewantstobattle accused someone of raping his girlfriend I think in 2017, this wasn't just 'unable to be proven', it was actually proven to be a lie, and he had to back off. Nate's not really that important though, so the scandal never really blew up and most people missed it.

Toei is limited in how much control they actually have over DBZ casting. It's not completely impossible to get someone on TFS voicing someone in DBZ. The two rules they'd need to follow for that is that the VA in question couldn't voice someone they have in DBZA, and they can't use a recognizable voice they used in DBZA. Basically Lani can't use his Vegeta voice, Taka can't use his Nappa voice, neither can voice those characters, but they could theoretically voice Hit in their speaking voice. As for why they haven't, that's likely because Sabat's pet project gets lower priority with roles than the insiders he's known for decades.

Also, let me clear something up - Toei has no control over DBZA. No matter how many times they throw a temper tantrum and yank down DBZA videos, they actually cannot remove them so long as they only release videos that include clips that Funimation has the license to. (So up to he latest Super episode posted on their website) Youtube is broken, so Toei can flex on them and yank their videos, but they actually have no right to do so. Funimation has complete control of the distribution of Dragon ball content in America and whatever other territories Funimation owns the licenses to. That's why TFS' relationship with Funimation is so important. Although Toei can flex on Funimation and say "those people can't do that segment" or "Vic has to voice Broly" they're legally unable to say "That dragon ball content can't be on youtube".

If Toei yanks the rights from Funimation, the rights will then move to whatever other company they give the rights to - and if TFS is smart they'll delist all their videos until that happens, so Toei can't strike them, and hope for the new company to be sympathetic to them (and I doubt very much that "you must destroy DBZA" will be a part of a new contract, because if Toei wanted that to be a dealbreaker it already would be with Funimation).

It's not just DB content creators. Broly is insanely divisive in fandom and pretty much always has been. He was a stupid but mediocre character in his first movie that a select part of fandom went insane over because "HIS POWER IS MAXIMUM" and then due to that select part wanking him into oblivion he kept getting sequel movies that were progressively worse. If I recall correctly, half of TFS are actually Broly fans. I think maybe Kaiser or Takahata liked Broly? The other half, Lani included, hated him. It's nothing to do with Vic and everything to do with him being the distilled embodiment of the worst of Dragon ball Z. If you remember the webcomic 'Dragonball Multiverse' (which ended up weirdly similar to Super) that also got big for a while, they had the same schism in their fanbase over including Broly.

I very much doubt Vic becoming 'the Don', that was just a hypothetical I was using. However, I can pretty handily guarantee that Sabat will lose his power. Ty is incensed with Sabat in particular, and Vic is really not pleased with him, either. Much as I used to be a fan of Sabat, if Vic's lawsuit is successful I don't see this ending any other way than Sabat getting dragged through the streets and exposed. I suspect any settlement he gets - even if he tries - will be more painful than Ron's.

Say what you will about Pewdiepie, but that man is a genius at Youtube. You don't make it to #1 for five-to-seven years, and then only lose out to Youtube literally rigging a giant company to beat you and still survive for most of a year in that impossible battle without knowing exactly how to play Youtube. He's even survived multiple content shifts and controversies. One of either of those is usually enough to fell a youtuber. What I'm getting at is that just because Pewdiepie managed something doesn't necessarily mean it can easily be done by others. He's surprisingly shrewd.

Did they ever go full Linkara History of Power Rangers about it? Also, it's not like Toei is just waiting for the right moment to Thanos snap them despite them not getiing along.


Man the Internet is serious business. All I think I can add is that the Internet was a refuge from 4Kids back in the day.

I don't know what that means. I'm afraid I never got into Channel Awesome. The only CA person I kept track of at all was Spoony until he moved from the Jontron style of reviews to basically extra lazy let's play content.

I have to respectfully disagree. TFS's work is clearly fair use....

that said, you could make an argument that Toei has enough fuck you money to circumvent US Law and get DBZA shut down... you could also argue that doing so gets a bunch of angry weebs fucking over their systems and costing them money.

Toei can't overcome copyright laws, but TFS doesn't have the money to fight them on it. That's why they need Daddy Funimation to protect them, and as we've determined from both this lawsuit and their publicly available history, that's really 'Daddy Sabat'. Though it's possible if Funimation retains the rights they may keep protecting DBZA even if Sabat get's screwed, so long as TFS doesn't stab Funimation in the back along the way. Chris Ayres likes TeamFourStar enough that he says LK's Frieza voice informed his own, and as mentioned everyone but Sean Schemmel is on record enjoying DBZA.

Lol, a bunch of idiots on Twitter are saying that OJ and Nicole were happy too, using pics of Vic and Monica together aren't proof!

But OJ and Nicole were divorced when she was murdered. Assuming he did murder her, it was very clearly a crime of passion. This allegory is complete nonsense unless they're arguing that Vic is in danger of losing his mind and going on a murder spree.
 
They might be transparent closet #KickVic pussies, but I'm overall amiably inclined toward TeamFourStar. That would change if they decided to pimp culture war nonsense in their content, but as is DBZA is a pretty good set of laurels to rest on. I'll be disappointed if they finally get into serious legal trouble for their work.

This discussion reminds me, though. Has anyone read Understanding Intellectual Property Law by Donald Chisum? It was in Null's reading list shown on WHITE PILL STREAM, and I'm thinking about getting a copy. Or do people have other recommended literature on this topic?
 
They might be transparent closet #KickVic pussies, but I'm overall amiably inclined toward TeamFourStar. That would change if they decided to pimp culture war nonsense in their content, but as is DBZA is a pretty good set of laurels to rest on. I'll be disappointed if they finally get into serious legal trouble for their work.

This discussion reminds me, though. Has anyone read Understanding Intellectual Property Law by Donald Chisum? It was in Null's reading list shown on WHITE PILL STREAM, and I'm thinking about getting a copy. Or do people have other recommended literature on this topic?
I’ll take them supporting KV but staying quiet/professional about it over people calling Vic a child molester every day. Have whatever opinion you want, just don’t be an entitled dick about it.
 
On what planet is what TFS is doing fair use?

If DBZA were fair use, the USA network would have not had to license Dynaman from Toei for their parody dub, Mel Brooks would not have had to ask permission from George Lucas to do Space Balls, and the MST3K crew would not have had to pay royalties to rip on movies.

Fair use is first and foremost a defense against copyright infringement. And were TFS try to invoke it, they would be beaten into the ground regardless of how much more money Toei has than them. Generally, the four factors when measuring fair use are: the purpose and character of your use, the nature of the copyrighted work, the amount and substantiality of the portion taken, and the effect of the use upon the potential market. In my non-lawyer opinion, that third factor in particular is what would get them eaten alive in court, but I'm sure the other factors wouldn't significantly help them either.

I get the feeling you're not very familiar with DBZA. It is not a "gag dub" where the sound is swapped out for a ha-ha funny track. It's not even like Dragonball Kai where the story is compressed, but remains the same. The visual component of DBZA is heavily edited to an extreme that things like MST3K never reach. George Lucas is dumb. He sued Weird Al for his parody song. He's not an indicator of how things normally work.

Anyone who watches Dragon ball Z Abridged instead of the original is a moron, because it isn't at all accurate. There's certain key moments that are accurate, but other points are wildly different. They've had to draw and animate entire scenes because their script went so far off from the original that there was no way to edit existing footage to work. DBZA is similar to AMVs. The footage is heavily edited. As long as they don't make money (they don't) and their intent isn't to create a substitute (it isn't) they're fine. Of course lawsuits are stupid expensive, so they'd still lose if Toei attacked them over it, but that's just because lawsuits are awful.

As mentioned previously, though, Toei actually can't attack DBZA legally so long as DBZ is locally licensed. The right to legal action goes to the license holder, because said holder has the sole discretion over how it's to be distributed.

They might be transparent closet #KickVic pussies, but I'm overall amiably inclined toward TeamFourStar. That would change if they decided to pimp culture war nonsense in their content, but as is DBZA is a pretty good set of laurels to rest on. I'll be disappointed if they finally get into serious legal trouble for their work.

This discussion reminds me, though. Has anyone read Understanding Intellectual Property Law by Donald Chisum? It was in Null's reading list shown on WHITE PILL STREAM, and I'm thinking about getting a copy. Or do people have other recommended literature on this topic?

They're smart, and I appreciate that of them. Them barely talking about it helps lend weight to the idea that they're shackled to Sabat's whim whether or not it's true (I actually feel most of them have no problem with Vic, as their history of comments on and about him are all positive) and that means no matter how things result they'll look good. They'll be in trouble of Funimation loses the license or all the people in Funimation who have power and like TFS lose that power, though.

This can't be a coincidence. Aside from possibly being @MarzGurl, could this be a sign that someone from the Farms contributed to the "Broken Staircase" spreadsheet?

It is a coincidence.
 
I remember seeing a video years ago that I can't find now, when I was looking into this show. It was of people in funimation or crunchyroll talking about the anime adaptation and name change. They were casually mentioning that they had to change the name and since she was "evil" they had to add that. This was years ago and I only remember it, because I like the series and it was a petty thing to do.

I did find a ANN article talking about the LN getting made into an anime and they used the original title http://archive.fo/ze3eQ


I don't doubt Youjo Senki could be reasonably be altered to "saga of Tanya". I just remember, but can't find proof (frustratingly) that Crunchyroll and Funimation had a hand in adding "the evil".

Also nobody cares about pre-Nazi history or Nazi history for that matter everything that looks like it might be a nazi is now a nazi.

I'm struggling to find where the change came from but all of the western LN or mangas have the changed name, not saying I don't think it's possible just hard to think Funi or Crunchy would have that power.

I know most people think German military=Nazi but I do see more ww2 influence in the Empire and one or two of the other bigger nations and ww1 influence in like the Dacia(?) Forces
 
DBZA doesn't make money directly, which is the only thing that counts when it comes to copyright. Toei's problem is that they're stuck in the 19th century and don't understand what fair use parody is. This is extremely common of Japanese companies. They insist that they need to use DRM protection in games, they don't understand that piracy is 99% composed of people who never would have bought their game to begin with, and they very much don't understand fanmade works. There's a misunderstanding where people believe Japan is ahead of the game because it allows doujinshi, but in reality that's a closely regulated business that mostly exists because the companies feel looking the other way will be less trouble for them than trying to stomp it out, not because they actually realize it's good for their business. That's why every once in a while you'll hear about them attacking doujin, or going after scanlation sites that only cater to countries their manga isn't released in yet.

Japan is rabid about its copyright, and doesn't understand fair use or 'this loss leader increases fan support' at all.



Wow this is wordy.

Natewantstobattle accused someone of raping his girlfriend I think in 2017, this wasn't just 'unable to be proven', it was actually proven to be a lie, and he had to back off. Nate's not really that important though, so the scandal never really blew up and most people missed it.

Toei is limited in how much control they actually have over DBZ casting. It's not completely impossible to get someone on TFS voicing someone in DBZ. The two rules they'd need to follow for that is that the VA in question couldn't voice someone they have in DBZA, and they can't use a recognizable voice they used in DBZA. Basically Lani can't use his Vegeta voice, Taka can't use his Nappa voice, neither can voice those characters, but they could theoretically voice Hit in their speaking voice. As for why they haven't, that's likely because Sabat's pet project gets lower priority with roles than the insiders he's known for decades.

Also, let me clear something up - Toei has no control over DBZA. No matter how many times they throw a temper tantrum and yank down DBZA videos, they actually cannot remove them so long as they only release videos that include clips that Funimation has the license to. (So up to he latest Super episode posted on their website) Youtube is broken, so Toei can flex on them and yank their videos, but they actually have no right to do so. Funimation has complete control of the distribution of Dragon ball content in America and whatever other territories Funimation owns the licenses to. That's why TFS' relationship with Funimation is so important. Although Toei can flex on Funimation and say "those people can't do that segment" or "Vic has to voice Broly" they're legally unable to say "That dragon ball content can't be on youtube".

If Toei yanks the rights from Funimation, the rights will then move to whatever other company they give the rights to - and if TFS is smart they'll delist all their videos until that happens, so Toei can't strike them, and hope for the new company to be sympathetic to them (and I doubt very much that "you must destroy DBZA" will be a part of a new contract, because if Toei wanted that to be a dealbreaker it already would be with Funimation).

It's not just DB content creators. Broly is insanely divisive in fandom and pretty much always has been. He was a stupid but mediocre character in his first movie that a select part of fandom went insane over because "HIS POWER IS MAXIMUM" and then due to that select part wanking him into oblivion he kept getting sequel movies that were progressively worse. If I recall correctly, half of TFS are actually Broly fans. I think maybe Kaiser or Takahata liked Broly? The other half, Lani included, hated him. It's nothing to do with Vic and everything to do with him being the distilled embodiment of the worst of Dragon ball Z. If you remember the webcomic 'Dragonball Multiverse' (which ended up weirdly similar to Super) that also got big for a while, they had the same schism in their fanbase over including Broly.

I very much doubt Vic becoming 'the Don', that was just a hypothetical I was using. However, I can pretty handily guarantee that Sabat will lose his power. Ty is incensed with Sabat in particular, and Vic is really not pleased with him, either. Much as I used to be a fan of Sabat, if Vic's lawsuit is successful I don't see this ending any other way than Sabat getting dragged through the streets and exposed. I suspect any settlement he gets - even if he tries - will be more painful than Ron's.

Say what you will about Pewdiepie, but that man is a genius at Youtube. You don't make it to #1 for five-to-seven years, and then only lose out to Youtube literally rigging a giant company to beat you and still survive for most of a year in that impossible battle without knowing exactly how to play Youtube. He's even survived multiple content shifts and controversies. One of either of those is usually enough to fell a youtuber. What I'm getting at is that just because Pewdiepie managed something doesn't necessarily mean it can easily be done by others. He's surprisingly shrewd.



I don't know what that means. I'm afraid I never got into Channel Awesome. The only CA person I kept track of at all was Spoony until he moved from the Jontron style of reviews to basically extra lazy let's play content.



Toei can't overcome copyright laws, but TFS doesn't have the money to fight them on it. That's why they need Daddy Funimation to protect them, and as we've determined from both this lawsuit and their publicly available history, that's really 'Daddy Sabat'. Though it's possible if Funimation retains the rights they may keep protecting DBZA even if Sabat get's screwed, so long as TFS doesn't stab Funimation in the back along the way. Chris Ayres likes TeamFourStar enough that he says LK's Frieza voice informed his own, and as mentioned everyone but Sean Schemmel is on record enjoying DBZA.



But OJ and Nicole were divorced when she was murdered. Assuming he did murder her, it was very clearly a crime of passion. This allegory is complete nonsense unless they're arguing that Vic is in danger of losing his mind and going on a murder spree.
Wasn't NatewantstoBattle dating Christina Vee in 2017.
 
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