Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

Svetlana said:
Say someone was anonymously sending you untraceable guerillamail threats, evil texts from disappearing numbers, and trying to close your Netflix, Amazon, etc. accts repeatedly and relentlessly for annoying weeks on end. Then say you were able to get an IP address from one of said annoying attempts. Now, assuming said exeptional individual didn't mask their IP somewhow, what info can be gleaned from having the IP address? I figured if anyone would know it would be KF.

Asking for a Friend.
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Almost anyone who would go so far as to do all of that would be using a VPN so it's almost a certainty worthless. You can find out quite quickly by using an IP lookup tool (here's one https://www.ip-tracker.org/locator/ip-lookup.php) that will tell you where it's coming from in a general sense. However if they're using a VPN then this information is worthless.

Even if it was some idiot too stupid to use a VPN, the courts typically won't allow the use of an IP address to identify someone in a court case. I would suggest that you just document everything as best as possible and turn it over to police or other relevant authorities. It's pointless to complain about it online, and will only encourage the person doing it because they know it's getting a rise out of you.

Contact customer services and explain the situation to them. If your friend's address is also available you might want to have your friend tell pizza places not to deliver to that address or even call the police to tell them that they don't want to be swatted.
 
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Svetlana said:
Say someone was anonymously sending you untraceable guerillamail threats, evil texts from disappearing numbers, and trying to close your Netflix, Amazon, etc. accts repeatedly and relentlessly for annoying weeks on end. Then say you were able to get an IP address from one of said annoying attempts. Now, assuming said exeptional individual didn't mask their IP somewhow, what info can be gleaned from having the IP address? I figured if anyone would know it would be KF.

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As mentioned by others, you can get a rough geographic location.

HOWEVER if you have a court case or police are involved, they can request or subpoena the ISP to get that individuals actual name, you'll need the IP and the time that the IP was doing bad things. Depending on what they are looking for then they can go 'fishing' if the individual isn't using a vpn or tor or something, they can get dns requests, sites accessed, etc but it will have to be in the request/subpoena. Many ISPs just roll over to the 'law' and will give up a bunch of information.

If the user has 'clue' it's doubtful you'll get much.

It's also possible the captured IP is simply a proxy not in known VPN/privacy networks.

A lot of this 'depends'

IANAL
 
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verissimus said:
Huh..."created the content at issue"? Meaning what? Their tweets?
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They're trying to claim that because BHBH is moving to strike their tweets and comments, that they're immune under section 230 because they failed to authenticate most of their own evidence :story:

This was Lemoine's plan the whole time, what a fucking dent head.
 
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Immaculate Ape said:
They're trying to claim that because BHBH is moving to strike their tweets and comments, that they're immune under section 230 because they failed to authenticate most of their evidence :story:

This was Lemoine's plan the whole time, what a fucking dent head.
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Either their autism is causing my brain to fry or I'm becoming autistic because that doesn't clear anything for me. I thought BHBH was trying to throw out all the horseshit tweets and comments from stuff like PULL not Monica's and Ron's own tweets unless I missed the part where they denied their own tweets (well I could actually believe that coming from Soye).

The way you just described it sounds like Lemoine is doing Ty's job for him (i.e. dumping the PULL-shit).
 
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verissimus said:
Either their autism is causing my brain to fry or I'm becoming autistic because that doesn't clear anything for me. I thought BHBH was trying to throw out all the horseshit tweets and comments from stuff like PULL not Monica's and Ron's own tweets unless I missed the part where they denied their own tweets which (well I would believe actually believe Ron denying he made them).

The way you just described sounds like to me Lemoine is doing Ty's job for him.
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I don't know if Lemoine missed the part where Casey told the judge that Ron's tweets were all authenticated, but this feels like it's a hissy-fit being thrown because BHBH is shredding their "hundreds of women" and "dozens of affidavits".

Nothing like acting like a total R. Tard and having a mental meltdown in a courtroom to show exactly how reasonable your clients are
 
Immaculate Ape said:
They're trying to claim that because BHBH is moving to strike their tweets and comments, that they're immune under section 230 because they failed to authenticate most of their own evidence :story:

This was Lemoine's plan the whole time, what a fucking dent head.
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I think he's trying to claim that, because they repeated the claims of other people, or retweeted them, this somehow immunises them against prosecution for that content. Which is... an exceptionally interesting way of reading the CDA, to say the least.
 
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teriyakiburns said:
I think he's trying to claim that, because they repeated the claims of other people, or retweeted them, this somehow immunises them against prosecution for that content. Which is... an exceptionally interesting way of reading the CDA, to say the least.
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but

you can just go to twitter / ronaldbenjaminsoye and see all of the posts still.
 
Immaculate Ape said:
They're trying to claim that because BHBH is moving to strike their tweets and comments, that they're immune under section 230 because they failed to authenticate most of their own evidence :story:

This was Lemoine's plan the whole time, what a fucking dent head.
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I am increasingly convinced that they are intentionally trying to lose this case, then appeal due to incompetent counsel, in the hope that Vic doesn't have the cash for another entire go around.

Their lawyers are certainly not the sharpest tools in the shed so...
 
teriyakiburns said:
I think he's trying to claim that, because they repeated the claims of other people, or retweeted them, this somehow immunises them against prosecution for that content. Which is... an exceptionally interesting way of reading the CDA, to say the least.
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That actually may be the case for Toye, but absolutely not for Monica. She made statements about her own encounters. Which people then used her stories to prop up their allegations. Also, by this they're burying Funimation and Marchi, by trying to push blame on them.

If I am following this correctly, Lemoine is also making a mistake by filing a joint-motion with Rial and Toye, so any affirmative defense Toye can make might be thrown out if Lemoine is filing it jointly to coattail any immunity Toye may have, because they're the moving parties and it has to be ruled in favor of the non-moving party.

But they're all just one happy family together united in this still, right?
 
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Immaculate Ape said:
That actually may be the case for Toye, but absolutely not for Monica. She made statements about her own encounters. Which people then used her stories to prop up their allegations. Also, by this they're burying Funimation and Marchi, by trying to push blame on them.

But they're all just one happy family together united in this still, right?
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And besides, he also publicly called him a rapist and a pedophile on his own.
 
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teriyakiburns said:
I think he's trying to claim that, because they repeated the claims of other people, or retweeted them, this somehow immunises them against prosecution for that content. Which is... an exceptionally interesting way of reading the CDA, to say the least.
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That actually sounds for more reasonable, but that still doesn't get them off the hook for all their other BS.
 
The Wisdom of Bassets said:
I am increasingly convinced that they are intentionally trying to lose this case, then appeal due to incompetent counsel, in the hope that Vic doesn't have the cash for another entire go around.

Their lawyers are certainly not the sharpest tools in the shed so...
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Considering MoRon don't even have the money for this go around I'm doubtful it's that at all. Pretty much from day 1 the filings have read like they were dictated by MoRon rather than competant legal moves made by an attorney who doesn't have his clients screeching in his ear about a GFM or some other unrelated crap.

Lemoine is supposed to be a TCPA specialist, looks to me like he's seen what his clients have and is now just throwing everything at the court he can because he knows they're pretty boned without a hail mary. All 3 lawyers for MoRon have been hamstringed by their own stupid and bitter clients, I think this is the death rattle of their current counsel.
 
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And besides, he also publicly called him a rapist and a pedophile on his own.
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His only defense would be that he came to that conclusion from what others told him, which still could be a prima facie case made against him for it if he wants to try to play the "public figure" BS
 
Monkey Prick said:
Considering MoRon don't even have the money for this go around I'm doubtful it's that at all. Pretty much from day 1 the filings have read like they were dictated by MoRon rather than competant legal moves made by an attorney who doesn't have his clients screeching in his ear about a GFM or some other unrelated crap.

Lemoine is supposed to be a TCPA specialist, looks to me like he's seen what his clients have and is now just throwing everything at the court he can because he knows they're pretty boned without a hail mary. All 3 lawyers for MoRon have been hamstringed by their own stupid and bitter clients, I think this is the death rattle of their current counsel.
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I agree completely that they are calling the shots. Wasn't there something on Nick's stream last night or the other day about Lemonparty being less of a TCPA guy than was previously known?

I also have to wonder that since these are some of the most manipulative fucks on the planet, if they didn't intentionally hire spergs to pull some shit like I mentioned above. I mean they DO think twitter tactics translate to real life. Granted, that sounds absurd but just LOOK at all the absurd crap they have done so far. It wouldn't be out of character at all.
 
Immaculate Ape said:
They're trying to claim that because BHBH is moving to strike their tweets and comments, that they're immune under section 230 because they failed to authenticate most of their own evidence :story:

This was Lemoine's plan the whole time, what a fucking dent head.
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Lmao section 230 isn't going to protect them, it only protects the platforms. Is lemon party that exceptional to truly think his massive misinterpretation of this rule will be a valid defense?
That was a rhetorical question, because of course he is.
 
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nlanpro said:
That's....extremely reaching straws. That death battle was LONG in production before the Vic drama began. And they really didn't care about it, making it unrelated to this stuff. It comes down to bad timing rather intentionally ill intend.

I can believe the subscription numbers being sketching due to the raise in price. but once again we have to keep in mind the collaborations deals remain unaffected by this. Which are a huge sources of Income for them at the end of the day. It's going to take all of their deals to back fire, their animated stuff becoming non profitable, And RTX failing to gather numbers to kill them for good.
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I think it is just the impressive accomplishment that RT has managed to do something to piss off anybody on the spectrum.

Firing Vic pissed people off that are conservative.

Not paying overtime pissed off the labor liberals.

And the subscription increase pissed off loyal fans.

The only groups not pissed off being feminists and LGBT. This is a ticking time bomb since RWBY had at least 6 conventionally attractive lesbians compared to one gay side character.

Anyway, looking forward it looks like the situation isn't going to improve. The people hired to help the overtime problem has crunch issues themselves. And they have an even more radical political agenda.


If Rooster Teeth fades into the background as strictly an animation studio, then alienating fans won't be a problem. The question is what role will they play in the future?
 
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