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The Wisdom of Bassets said:
You are absolutely right. However I would also point out that there is a growing backlash to the #metoo situation. So while there are people like Wineswine that people hate, there are ALSO people like Johnny Depp that are on the public's radar. It's no longer just the Rosie McGowan days where listen and believe was the unquestioned standard.
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That is true, however it is a win-win situation for Lemonie. If the jury is biased against the plaintiff, then the defense benefits. If the jury is biased towards the defendants then he just motions to have the trial moved because the jury pool is poisoned.

I don't know the rules surrounding it, I would just assume at that point either the judge would sanction him and rule against the defendants entirely, or Lemoine would appeal any decision the Judge has to either strike the jury and change the trial or protest the decision to not move the trial.
 
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Anime gets its #MeToo moment in clash between Dallas-area voice actors

In the world of English-dubbed anime, Grapevine resident Vic Mignogna is a voice to be reckoned with.Mignogna once again voiced fan favorite...
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Someone already archived this, but this hit my phone a bit ago.

The normies are finally noticing
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I don't know if it's the normies noticing when someone involved is pimping out the story to smear somebody and maybe establish a "public figure" status, even if it doesn't count retroactively.
 
FreeHugsCheap said:
If you ever needed proof that the defendants are now truly afraid of how this is turning out, this is it. This article is going to be much worse for the defendants than anything else they have done up to this point. How do they plan to argue Vic was libel-proof and the defendant's accounts weren't causing him damage when the accusations are front and center in a news article? How do they plan to claim they never intended to damage his career when they are willing participants in a fairly obvious hit piece? How in the world did they think this was a good idea?

I can't believe anyone is actually this stupid.
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My stupid guess: because Vic didn't lose anything of note directly because of the article. All his big roles and con appearances are already gone, so unless "kicking somebody while they're down" can be argued in, they're in the clear and their operation is working perfectly.
Eyeshield said:
The question is only how far up the foodchain this bullshit is going. Will it stay with Dallas News or will it start to go freaking national with Time, CNN and more?

How will that affect the case? Previous discussions on this said that the media doesn't have as much spin power left but this would still be detrimental to Vic because they can still spin a shit ton to their audience.

It almost feels like they're trying to Michael Jackson Vic.
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Wasn't that the plan already? And since Vic isn't an ounce as popular as Michael Jackson was and probably still, is, there's a higher chance of success that Vic and his work will be destroyed.

The Wisdom of Bassets said:
Oh they will. Mark my word on that. BUT it won't end up playing out well for them when they do.
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HTTP Error 404 said:
www.dallasnews.com

Anime gets its #MeToo moment in clash between Dallas-area voice actors

In the world of English-dubbed anime, Grapevine resident Vic Mignogna is a voice to be reckoned with.Mignogna once again voiced fan favorite...
www.dallasnews.com
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Anime gets its #MeToo moment in clash between Dallas-area voice actor…

archived 3 Aug 2019 21:00:23 UTC
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Someone already archived this, but this hit my phone a bit ago.

The normies are finally noticing
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If this hits mainstream, their only hope is that the #MeToo shit outweighs the public's perception of anime as nothing more than schoolgirls and tentacles. And that's not even getting into the fact that most of these guys' best work is in titles most non anime watchers don't even know.
 
Immaculate Ape said:
That is true, however it is a win-win situation for Lemonie. If the jury is biased against the plaintiff, then the defense benefits. If the jury is biased towards the defendants then he just motions to have the trial moved because the jury pool is poisoned.

I don't know the rules surrounding it, I would just assume at that point either the judge would sanction him and rule against the defendants entirely, or Lemoine would appeal any decision the Judge has to either strike the jury and change the trial or protest the decision to not move the trial.
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Considering that they manage to find and seat juries for mob murder trials in NYC fairly regularly, I don't think a case like this will present too much of a problem to seat a jury even if the MSM jumps all over it. Their reach and power arent what they used to be and the trial is in a fairly conservative area that already ignores most of whats in the papers/on TV anyway. Plus, I have to think Ty is going to be pretty hardcore in jury selection.
 
The Wisdom of Bassets said:
Considering that they manage to find and seat juries for mob murder trials in NYC fairly regularly, I don't think a case like this will present too much of a problem to seat a jury even if the MSM jumps all over it. Their reach and power arent what they used to be and the trial is in a fairly conservative area that already ignores most of whats in the papers/on TV anyway. Plus, I have to think Ty is going to be pretty hardcore in jury selection.
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That's exactly why I'm thinking Lemoine is trying to poison the well, and make the argument the trials should be moved, so he can pick a more favorable area.
 
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Immaculate Ape said:
You are underestimating the power of propaganda. Rule #1 - never underestimate your opposition.

They carefully crafted this article so that the lay-person reading it, and the casual observer will equate Vic Mignona with the likes of Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby.

People will already have prejudice because of the cases that have already been settled in the MeToo court.

That is not by accident. This is a flagrant attempt to poison public opinion and only showcase the negative aspect and opinion of the case, favorably for the defense.

If you brush it off, you risk that your jury pool will have at least 1 person who is biased against the plaintiff and that can/will change the complexion of the entire panel.
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Oh shit, I was skimming through and thought it was another ANN article or similar. But nope, it's a local newspaper. Knowing that, I'm more inclined to agree with you; especially on the point that it's likely Lemoine's intention to get ahead of the narrative and maybe get in the heads of the jury pool.

I know the article is going to be effective to a point. I really wish it wasn't, but people are that idiotic, and that's the world we live in, like you've described.

I think there's a chance it might backfire though. Nothing says malice like continuing to blatantly mischaracterize unsettled facts of law in the middle of a lawsuit. Rial and Marchi have removed any doubt that this is equal parts about feeding their egos and their desire to destroy Vic.
 
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Immaculate Ape said:
That's exactly why I'm thinking Lemoine is trying to poison the well, and make the argument the trials should be moved, so he can pick a more favorable area.
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He's gonna play hell trying to convince a judge of 'public figure' before he can even hope to convince a judge that he is SUCH a public figure that 12 unbiased souls out of 7 million'ish people can't be found.

Not exactly odds favorable to the LemonFurher, methinks.
 
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Immaculate Ape said:
That's exactly why I'm thinking Lemoine is trying to poison the well, and make the argument the trials should be moved, so he can pick a more favorable area.
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It's not to "poison the jury pool", because no one in Tarrant County read the Dallas Morning News. If they read anything, it's the Fort Worth Star Telegram, and they don't pick up the DMN's dregs.

No, what this is trying to do is to prove the "public figure" argument, and try to do shenanigans related to the argument. It's the same type of thing they did with Brett Kavanaugh in the "wrap-up smear".

This is explanation.
 
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The Wisdom of Bassets said:
He's gonna play hell trying to convince a judge of 'public figure' before he can even hope to convince a judge that he is SUCH a public figure that 12 unbiased souls out of 7 million'ish people can't be found.

Not exactly odds favorable to the LemonFurher, methinks.
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Oh no, he's beyond planning for public figure argument. He's moved on to planning for his jury trial strategy at this point
 
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Immaculate Ape said:
Oh no, he's beyond planning for public figure argument. He's moved on to planning for his jury trial strategy at this point
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Probably, but he's putting that cart a few miles ahead of the horse. It seems to me that he thinks he is gonna get a San Francisco jury deep inna' hearta' Texas with his galaxy brained media move. But unless he gets this moved to a SXSW panel on Feminazi appreciation day, which he won't, he's fucking this case up worse with every move he makes.
 
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The Wisdom of Bassets said:
Probably, but he's putting that cart a few miles ahead of the horse. It seems to me that he thinks he is gonna get a San Francisco jury deep inna' hearta' Texas with his galaxy brained media move. But unless he gets this moved to a SXSW pannel on Feminazi appreciation day, which he won't, he's fucking this case up worse with every move he makes.
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If he tries to move this case to California because Vic lives/works there, I'll fucking die of laughter
 
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