Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Random Internet Person]

If there’s one thing I don’t like about this thread is how we lapse into autistic sub vs dub debates.
Yeah they’re horrible people but I’m not going to suck off random Japanese VAs. No offense to Mr. Miyano.

This is what happens on slow news days. And we have a month of nothing incoming before the TCPA hearings.

My apologies. What I meant wasn't Funimation as a business entity, but the key decision-makers within the company. For them, settling quickly and apologizing might not actually be the best choice, since they might be the ones getting fired after they settle. In their case, fighting the "good fight" and going down in flames might actually benefit their long-term job prospects more than capitulating. If they capitulate, they admit to total incompetence and nobody will want them; if they fight and lose, they can at least try to spin it as fighting to protect women or something and somebody might buy into it.

Now, for Funimation itself, the best approach is (ironically enough) to apologize, promise to do better in the future, and hope that any goodwill they have left will carry them on in the future (assuming Sony doesn't just fold them into Aniplex or something).

Ultimately, I'm not sure if it matters too much in either case. No matter how much the people in Funi might want to fight to the bitter end, I don't think Sony will allow something that could lead to that pesky "employee/contractor" issue being explored by the courts. They can want to double down all they want, Sony's probably going to force them to settle if the TCPA doesn't make it through.

While this is a good analysis of their situation, my main issue is that when you start talking corporate overlords, it's either rumors or total speculation because of deafining silence. Sony/Warner/Toei for all we know couldn't give two fucks about this because they aren't directly affected/hit in the wallet.

 

[Garm]

My apologies. What I meant wasn't Funimation as a business entity, but the key decision-makers within the company. For them, settling quickly and apologizing might not actually be the best choice, since they might be the ones getting fired after they settle. In their case, fighting the "good fight" and going down in flames might actually benefit their long-term job prospects more than capitulating. If they capitulate, they admit to total incompetence and nobody will want them; if they fight and lose, they can at least try to spin it as fighting to protect women or something and somebody might buy into it.

Now, for Funimation itself, the best approach is (ironically enough) to apologize, promise to do better in the future, and hope that any goodwill they have left will carry them on in the future (assuming Sony doesn't just fold them into Aniplex or something).

Ultimately, I'm not sure if it matters too much in either case. No matter how much the people in Funi might want to fight to the bitter end, I don't think Sony will allow something that could lead to that pesky "employee/contractor" issue being explored by the courts. They can want to double down all they want, Sony's probably going to force them to settle if the TCPA doesn't make it through.

We aren't sure what is going on at Funimation. Management in corporations don't understand what the specialists do. So until someone translates what is happening into business numbers, they won't stop.

And of course Sony could consider everyone at Funimation as expendable.

I think my point was "there will be a point when somebody somewhere will think about this and tell them to cut the shit."

 

[feral cat #6385]

This is what happens on slow news days. And we have a month of nothing incoming before the TCPA hearings.

Don't fucking count on it. Expect endless trash and gayops from Darth Inhaler from here until then.

 

[Garm]

This is what happens on slow news days. And we have a month of nothing incoming before the TCPA hearings.

While this is a good analysis of their situation, my main issue is that when you start talking corporate overlords, it's either rumors or total speculation because of deafining silence. Sony/Warner/Toei for all we know couldn't give two fucks about this because they aren't directly affected/hit in the wallet.

Corporations are bureaucracies. Bureaucracies are inherently conservative because they want things to run smoothly.

Sony and Time Warner bought Funimation and Rooster Teeth based off past performance in which they were profitable. Sony and Time Warner may have taken a loan out to buy these companies. (Time Warner has the added problem that they were bought by AT&T who needs Time Warner to be profitable.)

These companies have certain expectations. When these expectations aren't met, they will start investigating. And the shit show that is happening won't impress them.

These parent companies are older and understand the need for discretion. They won't openly broadcast anything but slowly start cutting.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

Corporations are bureaucracies. Bureaucracies are inherently conservative because they want things to run smoothly.

Unfortunately thats not true anymore. It used to be that way for sure, however the people currently holding the positions of power are largely business grads that were taught social issues trump financial considerations.

I know an MBA who was taught, several years ago, by a professor that would bankrupt a lemonaide stand. And the social first types are now in every company and in every industry. The boomer/GenXers that put profit over dopamine hits are retired or about to.

Conservatism in business is all but extinct in 'current year.'

 

[Allanon]

There's no reason anyone has to be a fan of even anime to care about Vic being falsely accused, much less dubs, but you're not helping your argument at all to respond to 'You're a Vic fan, you don't count!' with 'I like subs, not dubs'. You're pretty much just disqualifying yourself in the opposite direction in such an argument.

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Why is this another copy and paste? Why do they keep just repeating each other verbatim? Why do they think people won't notice?

 

[CBBD]

Unfortunately thats not true anymore. It used to be that way for sure, however the people currently holding the positions of power are largely business grads that were taught social issues trump financial considerations.

I know an MBA who was taught, several years ago, by a professor that would bankrupt a lemonaide stand. And the social first types are now in every company and in every industry. The boomer/GenXers that put profit over dopamine hits are retired or about to.

Conservatism in business is all but extinct in 'current year.'

Really just depends on the industry. Anything still using hands to manufacture shit is still fine, as far as I can tell from looking around. Pretty much any job where you don't have to get your hands dirty though is starting to be dominated by those types, for sure.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

Really just depends on the industry. Anything still using hands to manufacture shit is still fine, as far as I can tell from looking around. Pretty much any job where you don't have to get your hands dirty though is starting to be dominated by those types, for sure.

Manufacturing is also getting infiltrated, though I agree that they are a last bastion kinda thing. If a company has an HR department, it's either part of the collective or soon will be. Mom and pop level or companies with like 20 or so employees might be safe still, but I'd think that much larger, it's a unicorn company today that is still USA-based and staffed that isn't promoting/hiring victims/O-pressed minorities for PR or 'protection money' sake.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

It seems like this entire thing hinges on the validity of Funimations investigation. Since Vic wants his reputation back, I would think any settlement with Funimation would require retractions of their investigation. If the investigation is rendered invalid then Rials claims collapse also.

That claim had already collapsed because it was never a part of the investigation to begin with, according to Tammi, at least. Why wasn’t it? No idea. My primary guess is that Rial didn’t tell Sony about it because that would mean contacting Stan Dahlin, who would have said exactly what he said in his affidavit and BTFO Monica.

 

[Chudbacca]

It's part of the Dallas Morning News, which is the main newspaper of Dallas.

Still, the article does get some of Vic's testimony, but messes up other things...
-Doesn't mention hanleia's pedo tweet, which REALLY kicked things off, not the 'rude homophobe' tweet
-Mentions Marachi's tweet, but skips the line about head and balls..hmm..
-"Mignogna acknowledged in his deposition that people have commented negatively for years about his behavior. "
(wtf is this, this is worded so deceptively)
-Cherrypicks Nick's quote to make him look terrible

Just read it, and see that it's only a couple steps above ANN's articles, which really tells you about the state of journalism if this
Pulitzer prize winning journalist in a large city newspaper did this.
EDIT: Sorry, Pulitzer Prize FINALIST, which is somewhat of a relief

It's either outright deceptive or completely irresponsible "reporting." With a simple twist of words, a narrative is set that can prove incredibly damaging to the TRUTH, not just the parties involved.

A few years ago this happened to a family member of mine. An article went out after I was contacted by the newspaper the day before and I was told not to comment. Because it doesn't fucking matter what you say - it will not be used the way you want it to be used. After my friend saw the article and called me, I actually called the author and asked him why he wrote what he did and if anything would be retracted or changed if the article's target responded. I was told there would be no changes made until a certain amount of time went by and my relative was in good standing again. I couldn't believe how nonchalant this guy sounded as he explained why he wrote what he did and even on the fucking phone he showed me exactly how biased he was by referring to the other party involved as a "victim."

There was no victim, there were only lies that were later retracted by the party that issued them because they apparently felt terrible about what was happening. They didn't realize that what they were saying was going to be taken so seriously. But this fuckhead let it slip how he saw the situation when he said that to me. To this day if you search my relative's name, that fucking article comes up. And you know what the real kicker is? The author was attending the same church and sending his kids to the same school as my relative's at the time, and after having written this article greeted my relative's spouse in passing. Needless to say, spouse was dumbfounded that this stupid motherfucker wrote a nigh salacious article about their spouse and was standing their giving them a friendly greeting. How could you be so fucking socially retarded?

Every time i see that dude's name in the newspaper, I just think "I know what he wrote about my relative was completely taken out of context and twisted to make them look bad, so how can you trust anything else this faggot says?"

It's all a fucking sham. No one is brave enough to simply report facts.

I cannot wait to meet Vic next month at Roc Con. These pathetic fucking people just make support for him increase.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

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Bro nobody cares about you in this situation, you nobody voice actor

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Good. Join the “If you disagree with me/have conflicting information, you’re a hater or troll” crowd. We don’t need any more r.etards sperging out for KV.

 

[Immaculate Ape]

Good. Join the “If you disagree with me/have conflicting information, you’re a hater or troll” crowd. We don’t need any more r.etards sperging out for KV.

Lots of those around lately

 

[In Heaven]

Why is this another copy and paste? Why do they keep just repeating each other verbatim? Why do they think people won't notice?

Because they think they're smarter than everyone else. That's literally all it is. These are the same people who call anime fans--the people WHO SUPPORT THEM, let's not forget-- "incels" and "losers," after all.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

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You defended Vic's from homophobia allegations and called him a friend who helped your career you scumbag

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I can actually hear their beeps and boops.

 

[Evil Bunny]

I'm pretty sure I'm done with american dubs after all this.

I hope that the dubbing companies enjoy what they have wrought (with the help of their 'super stars') I'm in the demo that they WANT, enough money to buy their crap and a passing interest in anime. Oh well more money for eventual retirement.

I'm done supporting SJWs, I stopped buying gillette (and damn it sucks for them that they took an 8 BILLION dollar write down) and so on. I don't normally excessively tweet or try to get others to stop, but personally just stop giving them money. Same with TV and movies, I cast MY vote with my wallet.

 

[CBBD]

Manufacturing is also getting infiltrated, though I agree that they are a last bastion kinda thing. If a company has an HR department, it's either part of the collective or soon will be. Mom and pop level or companies with like 20 or so employees might be safe still, but I'd think that much larger, it's a unicorn company today that is still USA-based and staffed that isn't promoting/hiring victims/O-pressed minorities for PR or 'protection money' sake.

We hire ex convicts because we get reimbursed from Uncle Sam. That's as much as we cater to that shit. We're probably a bit unicornish in other ways though. But most of the fellow people in our industry seem to operate atleast somewhat similarly.

Good ole boys are the best places to work if you aren't looking to make giant stacks of cash, just reliable but hard work.

 

[Focken Kiwi]

I'm pretty sure I'm done with american dubs after all this.

I hope that the dubbing companies enjoy what they have wrought (with the help of their 'super stars') I'm in the demo that they WANT, enough money to buy their crap and a passing interest in anime. Oh well more money for eventual retirement.

I'm done supporting SJWs, I stopped buying gillette (and damn it sucks for them that they took an 8 BILLION dollar write down) and so on. I don't normally excessively tweet or try to get others to stop, but personally just stop giving them money. Same with TV and movies, I cast MY vote with my wallet.

Could always watch fansubs for free and save for retirement. Best of both worlds.

 

[Genkoda]

Could always watch fansubs for free and save for retirement. Best of both worlds.

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[theworstkindofeurofag]

It's either outright deceptive or completely irresponsible "reporting." With a simple twist of words, a narrative is set that can prove incredibly damaging to the TRUTH, not just the parties involved.

A few years ago this happened to a family member of mine. An article went out after I was contacted by the newspaper the day before and I was told not to comment. Because it doesn't fucking matter what you say - it will not be used the way you want it to be used. After my friend saw the article and called me, I actually called the author and asked him why he wrote what he did and if anything would be retracted or changed if the article's target responded. I was told there would be no changes made until a certain amount of time went by and my relative was in good standing again. I couldn't believe how nonchalant this guy sounded as he explained why he wrote what he did and even on the fucking phone he showed me exactly how biased he was by referring to the other party involved as a "victim."

There was no victim, there were only lies that were later retracted by the party that issued them because they apparently felt terrible about what was happening. They didn't realize that what they were saying was going to be taken so seriously. But this fuckhead let it slip how he saw the situation when he said that to me. To this day if you search my relative's name, that fucking article comes up. And you know what the real kicker is? The author was attending the same church and sending his kids to the same school as my relative's at the time, and after having written this article greeted my relative's spouse in passing. Needless to say, spouse was dumbfounded that this stupid motherfucker wrote a nigh salacious article about their spouse and was standing their giving them a friendly greeting. How could you be so fucking socially exceptional?

Every time i see that dude's name in the newspaper, I just think "I know what he wrote about my relative was completely taken out of context and twisted to make them look bad, so how can you trust anything else this faggot says?"

It's all a fucking sham. No one is brave enough to simply report facts.

I cannot wait to meet Vic next month at Roc Con. These pathetic fucking people just make support for him increase.

Sorry to hear that happened to your relative. I know what it feels like to have someone close to me defamed. Didn't help that that relative of mine was already dead when it happened.

Hope you'll have a great time at RocCon.

 

[AnOminous]

Because they think they're smarter than everyone else. That's literally all it is. These are the same people who call anime fans--the people WHO SUPPORT THEM, let's not forget-- "incels" and "losers," after all.

And what are you if you get paid pennies on the dollar for what a real VA would be paid not even to create content for losers and incels, but just to voice it over and lip sync it?