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[Zero Day Defense]

I think we are all stir crazy from being blue balled about the TCPA hearing.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but the anticipation kept building and now it's a month away.

Well, it could be worse.

We could be embroiled in a total nontroversy about one of us doing romantic/sexual RPing with some other person.

That'd be the lamest thing ever.

 

[GenericReviewerDraco]

Well, it could be worse.

We could be embroiled in a total nontroversy about one of us doing romantic/sexual RPing with some other person.

That'd be the lamest thing ever.

That was a special kind of autism.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Dude was everywhere 10 years ago and played the same style character with the same voice.

Sometimes he played two characters in the same game!

...wait.

(Persona 4 had him playing both the main character and also the penultimate penultimate villain and serial killer Adachi, which actually worked out well-- the characters had distinct voices and personalities, and the shared VA lent to the general dualistic themeing between the two characters.)

 

[Bessie]

It just gets worse...

Spoiler: MGS2 Speech

Colonel: You exercise your right to "freedom" and this is the result.
All rhetoric to avoid conflict and protect each other from hurt.
The untested truths spun by different interests continue to churn and accumulate
in the sandbox of political correctness and value systems.

Rose: Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum.
They stay inside their little ponds,
leaking whatever "truth" suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large.

Colonel: The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh.
No one is invalidated, but nobody is right.

Rose: Not even natural selection can take place here. The world is being engulfed in "truth."

Colonel: And this is the way the world ends. Not with a bang, but a whimper.

This may honestly be the most accurate prediction of modern society today, and it came from a fucking PlayStation 2 game.

Raiden: I'll decide for myself what to believe and what to pass on!
Colonel: But is that even your own idea?
Rose: Or something Snake told you?

Holy fucking hell Kojima can see the fucking future. I'm now fucking terrified of Death Stranding.

Anyway, here's a link to a transcript of the whole thing.

Edit: And here's a link to the actual cutscene.

And a link to an analysis of the speech.

If anybody was a prophet or a dude with his fingers on the pulse, it was George Orwell.

Aldous Huxley never gets no respect....

Spoiler: Orwell Versus Huxley - Large Image

Both were both right, of course, but Huxley's dystopia is harder to combat because how do you convince people fight it?

I don't think Kojima is so much Nostradamus. It's more that he has a working knowledge of history and no fear in connecting dots. When you get right down to it, once upon a time, the public was easily manipulated because only the Church and royalty could read. Then came the printing press, followed by yellow journalism and the ease in spreading propaganda. People were TAUGHT to beLIEve what they were told unquestioningly and wrongthinkers were ostracized.

TLDR - All this has happened before. Social media, google and the modern censors/moralists are just today's versions of yesterday's controllers.

Also recommending A Priesthood of Programmers by Alice Maz. It's long but entirely worthwhile IMO.

The primary responsibility of a priesthood is to create a shared reality for the flock. As the Church was to Christendom, and the press was to the public, programmers are now in a better position than any to construct the new reality that is to define the world after the present one, by now moribund, finally makes its exit.

 

[Eyeshield]

Fate/Stay Night had a "Chaotic Insane" alignment for Berserker.

Then again, he was Hercules, a better person than any of these idiots after he literally lost his mind, because even then he still had empathy for a dying girl.

 

[Far Queue]

I think we are all stir crazy from being blue balled about the TCPA hearing.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but the anticipation kept building and now it's a month away.

Look. You think that things are going to slow down for a while, but you're new here. Maybe you've been lurking here a while before you made an account, but in case you haven't, you need to realize that this crazy train doesn't even begin to decelerate, let alone slow down.

Just the other day we had Cohen file a bar complain against Ty. Where the fuck did that come from and who could honestly say they anticipated something like that? There's something about this case. The usual laws don't apply here. It's got its own kind of weird gravity that pulls in new cows and draws out the milk in such an effortless way that it's rather unnerving.

And there's no way to predict what could happen next. If you think you've got it down, got your finger on the pulse, got it all figured out, you're wrong. To borrow from Simon Le Bon of Duran Duran, "Nobody knows what's gonna happen tomorrow." But that's exactly what makes it all so fascinating.

 

[DarkKirby14]

anyone ever come across a Sirloin on Twitter? If so, exercise caution, the person is very stupid. I also don't get the whole grooming/Vic thing. That's something I haven't seen

 

[Stoneheart]

...I really want to do a fucking D&D thing with KF members related to this case,

D&D is not the best system for this...
giant monsters and fear screams Call of Cthulhu

 

[Permuto]

The best example of typecasting a VA is Johnny Yong Bosch. Dude was everywhere 10 years ago and played the same style character with the same voice. It was actually really annoying.
Nowadays he only seems to play Nero in DMC4/5 so that's alright.

I think he did a good job with Renton from Eureka Seven it was different enough from his other roles, and I met him in person, he's a chill guy who would just hang out around the convention hallways playing guitar with guests.

 

[Doctor D]

Today is a sad day for me. I speak to many in the field that have contrary opinions on matters because in the end, psychology isn't a hard science. However never have I met one that espouses such vile beliefs and ideas that go directly contrary to everything this person should have been taught. I see this as a direct insult.

I also apologise for lack of archiving, I am unable at the moment for I am away from my computer.


Edit: because of how easy this would be to photoshop in retrospect, if anyone feels like checking the validity, let me know. It would ease my heavy heart to know there isnt a psychologist out there that actually says things like "all women that stand with vic are being groomed" or any of the other disgusting things he's said.

 

[Hotfartz :)]

I think he did a good job with Renton from Eureka Seven it was different enough from his other roles, and I met him in person, he's a chill guy who would just hang out around the convention hallways playing guitar with guests.

He also voiced the main character in Yokai Watch, which was also different from his usual roles.

 

[Garm]

Look. You think that things are going to slow down for a while, but you're new here. Maybe you've been lurking here a while before you made an account, but in case you haven't, you need to realize that this crazy train doesn't even begin to decelerate, let alone slow down.

Just the other day we had Cohen file a bar complain against Ty. Where the fuck did that come and who could honestly say they anticipated something like that? There's something about this case. The usual laws don't apply here. It's got its own kind of weird gravity that pulls in new cows and draws out the milk in such an effortless way that it's rather unnerving.

And there's no way to predict what could happen next. If you think you've got it down, got your finger on the pulse, got it all figured out, you're wrong. To borrow from Simon Le Bon of Duran Duran, "Nobody knows what's gonna happen tomorrow." But that's exactly what makes it all so fascinating.

The sideshows be kickin' all day and night. And indeed we can't look away.

But the main event, The show, the thing that would shut lawtwitter and kick Vic down got postponed. When Nick could just Livestream the smuggest fucking smile he can manage for hours and people would watch it. That is what I was pointing out.

Til then we can party and roll with whatever batshit insanity comes out of this.

 

[Laughing-Man]

Con career? She really thinks showing her ass, tits and cleavage at an anime convention is a career? Holy shit girl seek some help.

Sadly there are some people that unfortunelty think that being a costhot is a good career move. Don’t ask me why though.

Let me explain, there are two “career paths” that cosplayers can take, cos-maker and cos-model. Think of them like specialization trees in an RPG in that cosplayers sink time money and effort into developing certain skill sets that are generally exclusive to one of the paths.

Models are your basic cos-thot, their goal is to throw on something sexy, slap on a wig and makeup, and have thirsty weebs worship the ground the walk on. Models tend to be more prevalent in anime fandoms, with idol cosplayers in particular being almost 100% models.
Models usually cosplay for attention and validation, there is a reason so many of them have a few screws loose and a bad case of daddy issues.
Models are great at putting out large volumes of new cosplays, but it’s fairly rare for them to actually make any of them. Amazon prime is their best friend. They also are usually much better at styling wigs and doing makeup than makers.
When models try to monetize their cosplay they tend to do so via prints or patreon subscriptions to exclusive pictures, sometimes lewds.
No matter how hard they try however they never achieve the level of real respect that even mid level makers do, and they have a set clock before they just get too old to look like a Japanese schoolgirl meaning there is no long term prospect for them.

Makers on the other hand are great at putting out lower volumes of content at a higher level of quality. As stated in the name makers MAKE their cosplays. Full armor, 3D printing, embroidery, giant ball gowns and other ambitious and impressive projects are the signature skills of the maker. Makers tend to be more prevalent in fandoms related to video and tabletop games, with a specific prevalence in series with unique designs and heavy armor like monster hunter and Warhammer. They also tend to be more male than the general cosplay demographic, with the percentage of men growing the more advanced a sample group of makers is.
When a maker monetizes their work they tend to be professional about it. Up and coming makers may take commissions to make a cosplay for someone else. More renown makers may be contacted by companies to make promotional items, like Volpin Props who makes the trophies for the professional league of legends world championship. Still others monetize instructional materials like books, patterns and even 3D printing files which they sell either through their own website like Evil Ted Smith or Punished Props, or using patreon as a pattern subscription service like Kinpatsu does. YaYa Han even expanded her work to brand supplies for sale at Joann stores. The long and the short is that when makers decide to make money off their hobbies they treat it like a business. Which means they also have a much longer period of relevance than a model.
Makers seek artistic expression from their hobby, meaning they tend to be a little more put together than the models.
Makers tend to be much more respected for their work than models. Even an ok armor set will stop traffic at a convention, and long term makers are recognized by people outside of the convention circuit for their artistry.

Wow sorry that was way longer than it sounded in my head, i’ve Just been sitting on this analysis for months and it just kind of leaked out...

 

[jameshameson]

wew lad

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[Garm]

wew lad

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KickVic. You can't fight sexism without racism.

 

[Shady Attorney]

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Is @Shane_Yes_That_One stating that there is an intellectual barrier between indigenous people and modern people? In such a way that makes the indigenous people incapable of understanding and are prone to acts of inhumanity?
wow wow wow wow

 

[Bessie]

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Please tell me you archived that.

 

[Genkoda]

Sadly there are some people that unfortunelty think that being a costhot is a good career move. Don’t ask me why though.

Let me explain, there are two “career paths” that cosplayers can take, cos-maker and cos-model. Think of them like specialization trees in an RPG in that cosplayers sink time money and effort into developing certain skill sets that are generally exclusive to one of the paths.

Models are your basic cos-thot, their goal is to throw on something sexy, slap on a wig and makeup, and have thirsty weebs worship the ground the walk on. Models tend to be more prevalent in anime fandoms, with idol cosplayers in particular being almost 100% models.
Models usually cosplay for attention and validation, there is a reason so many of them have a few screws loose and a bad case of daddy issues.
Models are great at putting out large volumes of new cosplays, but it’s fairly rare for them to actually make any of them. Amazon prime is their best friend. They also are usually much better at styling wigs and doing makeup than makers.
When models try to monetize their cosplay they tend to do so via prints or patreon subscriptions to exclusive pictures, sometimes lewds.
No matter how hard they try however they never achieve the level of real respect that even mid level makers do, and they have a set clock before they just get too old to look like a Japanese schoolgirl meaning there is no long term prospect for them.

Makers on the other hand are great at putting out lower volumes of content at a higher level of quality. As stated in the name makers MAKE their cosplays. Full armor, 3D printing, embroidery, giant ball gowns and other ambitious and impressive projects are the signature skills of the maker. Makers tend to be more prevalent in fandoms related to video and tabletop games, with a specific prevalence in series with unique designs and heavy armor like monster hunter and Warhammer. They also tend to be more male than the general cosplay demographic, with the percentage of men growing the more advanced a sample group of makers is.
When a maker monetizes their work they tend to be professional about it. Up and coming makers may take commissions to make a cosplay for someone else. More renown makers may be contacted by companies to make promotional items, like Volpin Props who makes the trophies for the professional league of legends world championship. Still others monetize instructional materials like books, patterns and even 3D printing files which they sell either through their own website like Evil Ted Smith or Punished Props, or using patreon as a pattern subscription service like Kinpatsu does. YaYa Han even expanded her work to brand supplies for sale at Joann stores. The long and the short is that when makers decide to make money off their hobbies they treat it like a business. Which means they also have a much longer period of relevance than a model.
Makers seek artistic expression from their hobby, meaning they tend to be a little more put together than the models.
Makers tend to be much more respected for their work than models. Even an ok armor set will stop traffic at a convention, and long term makers are recognized by people outside of the convention circuit for their artistry.

Wow sorry that was way longer than it sounded in my head, i’ve Just been sitting on this analysis for months and it just kind of leaked out...

So to continue this gaming analogy, Cos models are op at the beginning and can get some good early game coin, but later game is more shit and difficult. Cos makers are the better choice for endgame when the skill tree is more advanced, but early game is rough.

Is that pretty much right?

 

[Allanon]

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Pretty racist, Shane.

Anyway, the most typecast VA I can think of right now is Bryce Papenbrook, who can't stop getting every shounen action hero role there is, and basically nothing else.

So, I investigated the biggest and most credible 'anti gay' rumor of Vic (one that ANN even included in its original hit piece). The 'Vic made up a story about talking to CLAMP to prove his gay character Fai was actually straight, and later was BTFO by CLAMP'. The tl;dr of it is that it's completely bogus. Vic confused CLAMP (writers of the manga) and the producers of the anime because when he heard this information he didn't know what the anime actually was, and Colleen Clickenbeard asked said producers 'Is Fai gay?' to which they said 'no', not 'is Fai straight'.

I can find nothing about CLAMP smacking Vic down and calling Fai gay, and in fact what I can find says they wouldn't say that, because they don't even consider their obviously gay characters to be 'gay', just 'soulmates'. The character in question never moves past subtext with his ho-yay partner, and Vic only said 'not gay', not 'straight'. Mostly it's just fujo throwing fits. as usual.

 

[Jub-Jub]

Not sure how much a "pro cosplayer" or somebody who cosplay models as part of some official display at a con can make, bu, hey. Nice work if you can get it?

If you're someone like Jessica Nigiri you can make boatloads of money from thirsty bois. Pridemore OTOH

It's worse than that once you consider that FUNimation is a named source in some of those articles. However, the biggest problem is that the timeline doesn't make sense on most of them either.

People were talking about the damage done by the news articles earlier so i had a little look at some google trends.
Here is the google search trend for Vic Mignogna for the past 5 years.

Past 12 months so we can see impacts easier

Generic polygon and ANN, if adding Vic's name to the search they are at 0.

Here is comparisons to Super and Broly


Funimation, Rial and Vic.

Other terms with Vics name that max out at 1-2%: news, abuse, sex, rumors, pedophile, allegations, reddit

Here are some of the events surrounding the trends.

Week	Date range	trend %	Events	Publication cited	Publication topics
1​	6-12 Jan	2​	Lead up	N/A	N/A
2​	13-19	9​	Broly release, viral tweet, #KickVic	N/A	N/A
3​	20-26	8​	Vic tweet, Investigation starts	polygon	Vic responds to allegations and homophobia
4​	27-2 Feb	16​	Fired from Funimation (non-public), first ANN article that had to be heavily edited	ANN	The heavily editied article
5​	3-9	85​	Firing from RT (public), Rial 'it happened to me' Marchi 'Head and balls' and accusation tweets	ANNx3, Polygon	RT firing and replacement
6​	10-16	100​	Funimation Tweet, Pensacon faked bomb threat, Vic statement	Polygon ANN	Funimation tweet
7​	17-23	63​	GFM, Fake Swatting	io9, ANN	One sided Io9 article, Fake swatting, Monica's allegations
8​	24-2 Mar	26​	BHBH named, we will be in touch tweet	screenrant	Allegations
9​	3-9	18​
10​	10-16	11​
11​	17-23	12​	KC re-invites Vic, Rial and co drop
12​	24-30	15​		ANN	Monica and co cancel KC
13​	31-6 April	9​
14​	7-13	8​	Kameha-con
15​	14-20	17​	Lawsuit	Newsweek, polygon, Variety	Lawsuit

Did he just compare Monica to Tara Strong? I'm at a lost of words. I got nothing

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She was quick to DFE regarding this event once the narrative started turning against her

Star Wars and Marvel Voice Actress Tara Strong Accused of Racism After Confrontation With Immigrant Uber Driver - Bounding Into Comics

Voice actress Tara Strong and fellow actress Rena Sofer took to Twitter to accuse an Uber driver of harassment based on political beliefs.

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