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Breaking drama: Twee, who was banned from the Floraverse server shortly after meeting them in person, posted a thread about realizing that PK and co. used cult tactics to keep people in line.
PK responded with her own thread within a couple of minutes, accusing Twee of being a manipulative rapist, but completely handwaving the suggestion that she should call the police.
Opa and Poketto_Monsta rapidly found the original thread and accused Twee of hitting someone and lying about being sexually assaulted.
PK soon dropped any pretense of being nonconfrontational and slung every accusation in the book against Twee. Physically abusive! Emotionally abusive! Sexually abusive! Gaslighter! The REAL cult leader! Stop projecting!
Twee didn't directly respond to any of this, but created a new thread to say "lol fuck you, got my new friends".
Eevee, Opa, and PK all came in to insist that Twee hadn't learned anything, and would be abusive to their new friends, too.
It's all one big clusterfuck and it still seems to be ongoing. tl;dr, Flora is still abusive and cult-y, Twee may or may not have done a bunch of shit, and trying to make a real-life community of "callout victims" was a terrible idea.
Now that Twee is supposedly against PK and Eevee you guys could try to recruit him or make him join the thread to get some answers or something, just a suggestion after all he already made part of the 'Redesigning Floraverse' thread and as far as i noticed he didn't show any acts of aggression towards the thread besides that drawpile thing
yo what's up, it's me again. I really didnt wanna think I'd be here but I guess that's just what happens
So uhhh first off, I didn't ignore Ash, they just straight up blocked me before posting any of that. Second, I never raped anyone, what they're referring to was a "scene" (ask me about what this is if youre really curious) the two of us did in 2018 bc I have a lot of anxiety around groups I'm a part of turning on me after making mistakes and it was suggested to just talk about all of those mistakes in front of an audience to show that "floraverse was a community I would be staying in no matter the mistakes bc we would work past them" how ironic now. And at one time, like 2016, I woke up to people in my DMs asking me if I knew that people were spreading rumors that I had raped someone. I was shocked and didnt really know who it couldve been bc thats not something I do. Later found out it was someone who felt me up at a punk concert and we went back to my place together, she ended up being uncomfortable about doing anything so I took her home. We never did anything. I didnt even touch her. But no one listened to me so that became the story, and its funny that thats exactly how "callout survivor" Ash is spinning it as well. Guess their memory isnt that great either.
I actually am doing great with my new friends, I made a mistake recently around them on stream and it was really nice to not have it hung over my head like a knife. Weird right? They appreciated I caught myself and let me know they understood that I was still in the process of working on that problem and that takes time and said it was really nice I was able to notice and correct it myself. Gotta love encouraging people rather than mother fuckers who throw you in a box if they dont like you.
I'm a girl actually but thanks. Actually, if you'd believe it, a week ago I was really hopeful I could reach out to folks still in the community to try to help them realize that the way things have been going recently isnt healthy for literally anyone involved. Despite everything that's happened, like Ash putting a goddamn hit piece on me in their comic, throwing me in a box and providing me with situations where no matter how i respond Im always wrong, and all the ways we got under each other's skins while on the visit, I still legitimately cared about them. But, I can see now that there was never anything left. They've spiralled down into someone who's first instinct is to attack rather than ask. It took me months to finally agree that what'd been going on was cultish in the slightest. When I talked about what went on in the server it was mostly a footnote explanation to talking about the things I felt immense guilt for having done, but those small things were enough to raise the eyebrows of my friends. Two different people, one a survivor of another cult, told me that the things I described were exactly things that had been done in cults before. I listened to their experiences, I read up on other cults and their tactics. What finally convinced me was when another person who'd been kicked from the server was talking to their therapist and they said the exact thing. Flora server is run like a cult. And that was just it. I could handwave my own experiences not being accurate, but when three different people say that from two different perspectives? I just couldnt keep denying it at that point. Ash if you're reading this. Please please please get better. I worry about you so often, you're in a dark dark place and Im afraid for you.
I've always been privy to the idea that the Floraverse community is cultish, just from the outside looking in. But this reminds me of auditing sessions in the Scientology cult, and is rather alarming to hear.I'm a part of turning on me after making mistakes and it was suggested to just talk about all of those mistakes in front of an audience to show that "floraverse was a community I would be staying in no matter the mistakes bc we would work past them" how ironic now
Do not count on this. At this point, we should wait and see until this mess gets clarified.Now that Twee is supposedly against PK and Eevee you guys could try to recruit him or make him join the thread to get some answers or something, just a suggestion after all he already made part of the 'Redesigning Floraverse' thread and as far as i noticed he didn't show any acts of aggression towards the thread besides that drawpile thing
Can you tell us what happened IRL? We barely get people talking about how these people are in real life (and most people are too afraid to talk about it like Crayonchewer). Debunking PK's accusations one by one will help too and help us understand the situation better.
Feel free to include everything. I, myself, like being complete, plus you might reveal something important in the process, anyways.They are right about one thing, I do have a very spotty memory so I cant say that my account as to how IRL things happened went down would be accurate, and if I did cover them I would kidna want to include everything? and I realize yall are probably only interested in bit involving Ash, which I really dont wanna be unfair about the balance between our bullshit.
I'm sorry to hear all this shit is coming down on you too, Twee. I'm sure it sucks to have all these people pretend to be friends with you and care about you only to turn it into a toxic mudslide of hatred and lies on your twitter post, which is just more cultish behavior (trying to shun those who left as 'not good enough' and 'bad' so that the rest of their members don't think leaving is an option, and also make those considering joining not think the cult itself is the evil ones). Don't let the words of creeps that would say shit like that to you make you feel bad, you didn't do anything wrong and this isn't normal behavior, no matter what they tried to indoctrinate you to feel while you were with them. Take whatever time you need to calm down, think things through, and take care of yourself.They are right about one thing, I do have a very spotty memory so I cant say that my account as to how IRL things happened went down would be accurate, and if I did cover them I would kidna want to include everything? and I realize yall are probably only interested in bit involving Ash, which I really dont wanna be unfair about the balance between our bullshit.
as for things folks said in tweets, I'm in a really shaky spot right now mentally so maybe later? I can say like a few quick things from the second wave of tweets: "splitting their friends" they knowingly did something that, while they had pretty good reasons to do, they knew it would be reopening very specific traumas for me, and they super did, but I gave them the space they wanted and tried to process how I was feeling and perceiving everything with folks who I thought I could trust to have level heads, who happened to be both of our friends. My account wasn't a 1:1 representation of reality and I admitted that, so if thats all it takes to turn your friends against you, thats not really great. "asked not to fuck in their house" actually I was told not to have relations with a very specific person and that it wouldnt be a problem with anyone else, we talked very frequently about the fact that we werent against doing things with each other where they could very easily see and this was not even mentioned as a problem until after the visit was over, so who's fault is that? "MONTHS" they gave me a little over a week. unless they mean to count the dozens of scenes before that never actually tried to figure out any depth behind anything and any progress I got out of it was stuff I did on my own later. because Im not counting those. "lied to [X]" lots of assuming things on my part, I wanted to go to sleep and also wanted to continue a conversation the two of us had. btw there's no implication of anything sexual here on my part, literally he'd said to me before that he didnt like sharing a bed with anyone and then named me as an exception so I had reason to believe it was ok to ask. I wasn't embarrassed, I was caught off guard bc he answered before I actually asked the question. I didnt ask further, and left. "magic powers" I have no idea what the fuck this is in reference to.
One last thing just to tide yall over bc if Ash can share shitty things about me so can I now: I recall one of the weirdest occurrences during the irl trip was when Ash had asked me if I knew what "mexican cheese" was, and having walked down the isle of literally any supermarket before I assumed they meant those grab bags of like three types of shredded cheese literally named "mexican cheese", so I and two others went out, got the cheese, came back, and Ash was furious. Yelled at me for like 5 minutes about how everyone they ever depended on always let them down and how they were a fool to think I could ever do anything right and then slammed the door on the way out. Later they apologized to everyone but myself for their outburst until I pointed out they'd neglected me a day later and they told me they thought they already did.
I find it curious that she seems more openly hostile towards Twee then Marl on the topic of both of them being a sexual predator.I mean, going on a fucking public tirade accusing someone of being a rapist piece of shit and sicking her lapdogs on your post to directly call you a creep is a new low, PK, even for you.
I really really REALLY deep in my heart want to believe that Ash can be a good person if in a better environment, I've seen them do nice things. They saved me from a really shitty situation where I lost my house and gave me a place to crash for as long as I needed. The two of us kinda have a lot of the same problems bc we both had somewhat similar real life events, and I got pretty attached to them bc of how freely they expressed their emotions but since starting therapy and taking meds to help calm my anxieties and level out my mood my entire life has been so much more manageable, not perfect but I dont have outbursts over tiny things and its much easier to be patient about things. Knowing the two of us have the same problems I would really really like to see them try mood stablizers, they swore off meds bc anti-depressants were shitty for them but they were shitty for me too! you cant give up on that shit and weed isnt a good counter messure. but I ramble....I'm sorry to hear all this shit is coming down on you too, Twee. I'm sure it sucks to have all these people pretend to be friends with you and care about you only to turn it into a toxic mudslide of hatred and lies on your twitter post, which is just more cultish behavior (trying to shun those who left as 'not good enough' and 'bad' so that the rest of their members don't think leaving is an option, and also make those considering joining not think the cult itself is the evil ones). Don't let the words of creeps that would say shit like that to you make you feel bad, you didn't do anything wrong and this isn't normal behavior, no matter what they tried to indoctrinate you to feel while you were with them. Take whatever time you need to calm down, think things through, and take care of yourself.
Thanks for sharing all this, too, it really helps for people to see this when they come here searching for answers on whether or not to trust PK/Glip/Ash or whatever, only to see stuff like this. Idk how PK can pretend to be a nice person when they only keep adding garbage to the fire with nothing good to even try to balance it out. I mean, going on a fucking public tirade accusing someone of being a rapist piece of shit and sicking her lapdogs on your post to directly call you a creep is a new low, PK, even for you.
Feel free to include everything. I, myself, like being complete, plus you might reveal something important in the process, anyways.
I really really REALLY deep in my heart want to believe that Ash can be a good person if in a better environment, I've seen them do nice things. They saved me from a really shitty situation where I lost my house and gave me a place to crash for as long as I needed. The two of us kinda have a lot of the same problems bc we both had somewhat similar real life events, and I got pretty attached to them bc of how freely they expressed their emotions but since starting therapy and taking meds to help calm my anxieties and level out my mood my entire life has been so much more manageable, not perfect but I dont have outbursts over tiny things and its much easier to be patient about things. Knowing the two of us have the same problems I would really really like to see them try mood stablizers, they swore off meds bc anti-depressants were shitty for them but they were shitty for me too! you cant give up on that shit and weed isnt a good counter messure. but I ramble....
I wrote up a draft of it but honestly theres not really anything for anyone to gain from having my perspective on what happened. There was too much I couldnt remember and most of what I did had would only matter to me.
"Kiwi farms, a site that stalks people and get them to kill themselves using lies" where did she/he get that from? Lmao im a KF user since months ago, but i haven't seen any comments in this thread saying that Melanie should kill herself, most people here just want her to get medical and mental treatmentHi, PK.
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Logs of Twee having their own channel (when was this even relevant?), but still nothing to support the claim that Twee is a rapist.
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