Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Imagine if 2020 opens with Galaxy's Edge going under as Episode IX fails to even break 900 million. There'd be celebrations in the streets like at the end of ROTJ.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Imagine if 2020 opens with Galaxy's Edge going under as Episode IX fails to even break 900 million. There'd be celebrations in the streets like at the end of ROTJ.

That was only in the 1997 special edition.✡

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Everything certainly points that way. It's just hard to believe that Disney paid $4.05b for a rental, especially given the IP whores that they are.

Wouldn’t people have to return rentals anyway?

So essentially in theory George Lucas could just wipe episode 7-9 from existence and everything could be reset?

If he could buy back Lucasfilm, the Disney canon will most likely be retconned into a alternative universe, and the sequel trilogy would be labeled the “What If?” Trilogy.

Imagine if 2020 opens with Galaxy's Edge going under as Episode IX fails to even break 900 million. There'd be celebrations in the streets like at the end of ROTJ.

It’d be a bigger celebration if Episode IX grossed under $400 million worldwide. I do think this will be the lowest grossing live action film in the franchise.

 

[The Nothingness]

If the Star Wars IP is the Invisible Hand, who is General Grievous?

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

If the Star Wars IP is the Invisible Hand, who is General Grievous?

Mark Hamill

 

[Prompt Critical]

Having to pay residuals to Lucas could also explain why Solo's flop was treated as so radioactive. Residuals are calculated based on the distributor's gross receipts. Compared to TFA and TLJ, the "A Star Wars Story" films relied a lot more heavily on OT characters, props and visuals, so the actual loss Disney took on Solo may have been even greater than was reported, if Lucas was taking a cut as royalties.

 

[Übertroon]

If the Star Wars IP is the Invisible Hand, who is General Grievous?

George Lucas

 

[Creep3r]

Everything certainly points that way. It's just hard to believe that Disney paid $4.05b for a rental, especially given the IP whores that they are.

Well technically they did buy Lucasfilm and supposedly all the IPs tied to it, so getting all of that at 4 billion seems all too easy. They may own Lucasfilm, but I could believe that SW or any IP's part in that deal was sketchy.

Imagine if 2020 opens with Galaxy's Edge going under as Episode IX fails to even break 900 million. There'd be celebrations in the streets like at the end of ROTJ.

I'd feel like celebrating just to rub it in Disneyfags faces, but then I'd realize it would be a hollow victory... Disney screwed the pooch but they'll never admit it. If IX, GE and anything else turn out to be monumental disasters, Disney will never admit that they fucked up. Instead they'll blame the fans and SW, claiming that SW fatigue was at fault and that people just weren't as interested in Star Wars as they were in the 70s or that the new movies weren't woke enough. They'll pull any old excuse to save face with investors and they'll probably just lock SW away forever or find a new way to butcher it in another 10 years... And woke nu-fans will probably rage and get salty at first but eventually they'll stop giving a fuck and move on to a new franchise to fap and obsess over because they were never that interested in SW to begin with before Disney, Kylo Ren its shitty hype train. To them this will seem like just another trend and they'll walk away satisfied with the thought that "Hey, Disney Wars may have tanked, but at least we brought it up to Current Year standards, got that hawt qt Ben-Ben Solo and its no longer primitive garbage for bigoted nerds! We did it gang! Now lets move on to Dune!" Meanwhile Kennedy will be sitting comfy without a care in the world while we're left with a broken and butchered mess that used to be a franchise we once enjoyed... And you'd think Disney would at least want to try and fix things by realizing that if Galaxy's Edge failed, they could kiss up to Lucas and just make it pre-Disney Wars focused, but no. They'd instead rather make an Aladdin land since giving fans what they want would be an admission of defeat.

Well enough of that doom and gloom shit. Here's a video that tries to make sense of what sort of control George may have over Disney.

@GeneralFriendliness Apparently Clownfish heard some rumors about three things:

1. That Disney might remodeled GE as a Aladdin park if GE keeps being a dud.
2. The Rise of Skywalker final trailer is dropping in October.
3. Apparently there’s rumors that the Hutts are returning for IX and Rey is actually Han’s daughter. Clownfish doubts these rumors.

Now is there going to be a panel for the film at D23 this month? And do you think that there will be a final trailer for the film in October if reshoots are going on from July-September?

I'm divided on some of the rumors. Some have been confirmed, some are still up for debate while others I'm really skeptical towards.

The Hutts will return

For those who might remember, this is one of the earliest rumors and possible leaks I posted in this thread. Its quite possible that this is indeed true as said rumor claimed that the Hutts would be on Pasaana aka the muslim planet due to the fact that its this film's Tatooine. Another issue is that the word Pasaana sounds a lot like Huttese, with the word Pasa supposedly meaning to Clean or to Rise. While the word Pasaana sounds like Bootana which means Garden.

Rey is Han's daughter

I've spoken about this before about a supposed rumor that Rey is Han's daughter with another woman, but this has since been debunked by an official Lucasfilm rep. However Rey could still be Han and Leia's daughter and the whole "romantic subplot" between Rey and Ren might just be a ruse to pull a "we're siblings" moment for max nostalgia points. On the bright side, Reylofags would be pissed. But with revelation that Zorry Bliss is the one who dumped off Rey, I'm having my doubts, unless Zorry was ordered by Leia and Luke to take Rey away to keep her safe from Ren, but then that raises the question as to why Han and Leia didn't recognize Rey despite that she's wearing the exact same hairstyle and a bigger version of the outfit she had when she was abandoned on not-Tatooine as a kid.

Palpatine has been possessing Kylo all along

I have my doubts about this. Especially since the leaks claiming one of the Knights of Ren is his host is more believable since that leak at least reveals the name of the knights.


Anyway, here is a piece of art fully showing all the Knights of Ren for any interested.

It looks like the guy on the far right is indeed a sniper like some leaks suggested. For those who don't know, waffle-face is supposedly Matt Smith's character and I mentioned his name before in this thread but I can't remember. Anyone else recall? I think it was Kane.

 

[Uranus Pink]

What got me thinking is where were Disney's contract lawyers as they should've been raising flags over Lucas continuing to have a stake in ownership, the royalties, and who knows what else is was in there we don't know about yet.

 

[Tour of Italy]

All this bullshit about the hutts, and Palpatine, and recreating set pieces from the OT is just tiresome. Just write a decent fucking movie; that’s all anyone ever wanted.

I mean for God’s sake, is anyone at home who’s on the fence about episode nine really thinking to themselves “I might take a chance on this film because it has a giant naked space-slug penis monster that reminds me of a thing I like better” as if that’s the root of their enjoyment of the movie. More likely they're looking back on their overall experience with the previous sequels and remembering how they made them feel, them being the giant, confused, creatively bankrupt messes that they were. Disney, among their other mistakes, has no fucking clue why people liked the movies in the first place. X Wings and Chewbacca and the Jedi are spices to the mix, not the main ingredients. The meat and potatoes is a unique, exciting, coherent experience with heart and relatable consistent characters.

I am apreciating the leaks though, it’s like watching a multimillion dollar train wreck in slow motion.

 

[AnotherPleb]

What if Disney wants to tank SW so Lucas is put in a spot where he'd be forced to fully sell all the rights to the franchise at a loss? It'd explain the spite they have for anything related to the OT; if they were just renting it they'd just try to have a tangential relation while keeping the OT intact so they could at least make some profits.

 

[Uranus Pink]

The way things have been going, I am leaning toward Lucas's army of lawyers are hell of a lot more competent then Disney's lawyers; and have a boss who listens to them when they say there is a problem when one comes up.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

For all his arrogance and greed, Bob Iger is sure ain’t as clever as some people think. Kirk Kerkorian is more clever than him and he killed MGM.

 

[Secret Asshole]

So essentially in theory George Lucas could just wipe episode 7-9 from existence and everything could be reset?

Rumors are that they are going to do a major reset with Episode IX, so they themselves might reset the trilogy. Its also hilarious at all the people defending TLJ, Disney is basically desperately going to retcon it out of existence as even they acknowledge it killed the franchise.

 

[Polyboros2]

Rumors are that they are going to do a major reset with Episode IX, so they themselves might reset the trilogy. Its also hilarious at all the people defending TLJ, Disney is basically desperately going to retcon it out of existence as even they acknowledge it killed the franchise.

I've been saying for a while that the second they discontinue production on sequels the clock on the remakes start.

The one card they have left is Lucas's sequels trilogy. But they can't make it, Hamill would love to, but they paid a fortune and killed the character to get Ford back one more time, and Fisher is dead.

No one wants a prequel remake (actually fans might, but suits wouldn't) so they just keep those cannon, recast the OT except McGregor reprises Obi-Wan, maybe they do some fan service with setting RotJ back on Kashyyk. Then they make the sequels Lucas gave them with this new cast as a hook to get fans back.

 

[Secret Asshole]

I said it before: Thrawn Trilogy. Shoot it like Tarantino with the old characters retelling the narrative and cast new actors. Have that be your opening. You establish the future and the past, include fan favorites, get the band back together and line up the new cast for future movies.

They didn't do this because Disney didn't want the risk.

The way things have been going, I am leaning toward Lucas's army of lawyers are hell of a lot more competent then Disney's lawyers; and have a boss who listens to them when they say there is a problem when one comes up.

You have to remember Lucas is a terrible writer and director now unless he has someone to reign him in, but he is one fucking hell of a business man. Not even the prequels killed Star Wars. So he knows how to merchandise, how to negotiate and how to make bank off of a single IP for over 40 years. I feel he didn't want to be in charge anymore and was willing to rent it out. I think he basically expected it to be OT continuation with new stuff. Not really fan service, but who knows maybe he had one iota of self awareness or didn't want to bother with the criticism of the prequels with new sequels. As to why he held on to OT rights, at least somewhat, it's both profitable and his entire legacy. He's not just going to sell that off. New shit he didn't do he doesn't care about. But the old stuff, yes. My bet is he was willing to go cheaper as long as he got OT stuff.

The problem is that Disney was basically saying 'Nah, we're going to do our own thing' and Lucas warned them not to do that. I mean, the man may have wrote shitty movies, but the franchise was super strong still.

I honestly think that was their plan to rip Star Wars apart and 'make it their own'. You see this going on with Marvel. Gradually staying safe until they basically start ripping apart the IPs for their stagnant, sanitized versions. The thing was for Marvel, they started slowly boiling the frog, feeling more confident to go 'woke' (capture a non existant audience or more of one when they have people hooked like a fish. Not that this ever works, audiences have been abandoning wokeness quicker and quicker). With 'Star Wars' they took that bitch bare handed and slammed it into a fryer, since they didn't want to pay Lucas, wanted to get back at him or just wanted to tear it apart right off the bat. Or some combination of all three.

Now they realize for Star Wars a fucking emergency amputation is needed. Whether the tentacle will regenerates or not remains to be seen. The problem is once a franchise dies, it takes years, sometimes a decade plus to recover. GoT is fucking dead as dogshit after Season 8. That IP is fucked.

For all his arrogance and greed, Bob Iger is sure ain’t as clever as some people think. Kirk Kerkorian is more clever than him and he killed MGM.

Iger is a known fuckface and an arrogant cunt. I have a feeling a communications major along with Fiegie is whispering in his ear that wokeness is fucking amazing. And that fans don't matter and you can just destroy their shit and you'll still make money.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

The problem is that Disney was basically saying 'Nah, we're going to do our own thing' and Lucas warned them not to do that. I mean, the man may have wrote shitty movies, but the franchise was super strong still.

I honestly think that was their plan to rip Star Wars apart and 'make it their own'. You see this going on with Marvel. Gradually staying safe until they basically start ripping apart the IPs for their stagnant, sanitized versions. The thing was for Marvel, they started slowly boiling the frog, feeling more confident to go 'woke' (capture a non existant audience or more of one when they have people hooked like a fish. Not that this ever works, audiences have been abandoning wokeness quicker and quicker). With 'Star Wars' they took that bitch bare handed and slammed it into a fryer, since they didn't want to pay Lucas, wanted to get back at him or just wanted to tear it apart right off the bat. Or some combination of all three.

The sad part is, this happens in Corporate America quite often, and not just with the film/motion picture industry.

Spoiler: OT-ish? yet relevant

As an IT consultant, I was part of a team that worked on a rather big project involving testing software for a multinational corporation I'll call BigCorp. As we prepared to release production version 1.0, BigCorp made a deal with Other Corp. to lease to them the excess capacity in their testing facility and ensure the facility was utilized enough to provide an acceptable rate of return on investment.

As part of the deal, Other Corp negotiated with my employer to get access to the software we wrote -- including the source code. Once they acquired that, however, they decided to effectively rip it apart and redo the testing software the way they wanted it. At the time, and even now, the question in my mind was why they would ask, negotiate, or even pay for something they'd largely rip apart, scrap, and rewrite from scratch themselves.

Based on the recent leak, it appears Disney did something similar in acting like they would take the reins from George Lucas and be a good caretaker for the SWU in continuing and wrapping up existing projects while they prepared to launch entirely new content under the Disney umbrella.

Once the deals were made, possibly to include Lucas' continued control of the OT content to some degree, Disney opted to rip apart whatever it could and cancel many then-current or planned projects (such as Filoni's Clone Wars and the Level 1313 game that never came to be) in favor of their own content that has been underwhelming at best. Once again, it raises the question of why Disney would bother acquiring Star Wars if it intended to treat prior content and characters as largely nonexistent all over royalty payments to George Lucas and it's own obsessive desire to maximize profits at all costs. Such a decision might work with intangible goods such as software, but it's more difficult to convince people who have enjoyed Star Wars for close to 40 years that the characters they grew up with are now insignificant NPCs scrapped in favor of new characters with neither depth nor development and little in the way of redeeming or interesting traits.

Regardless of what happens with Episode IX, it's apparent Disney hasn't come close to realizing what it had hoped in terms of revenues for the SW franchise. It will be interesting to see if they stay doubled down on producing as much content as possible to recoup the purchase price or concede defeat of sorts and put the franchise on ice for any period of time while they work behind the scenes to try to come up with something they hope is more profitable. I'd add more popular, but that would be too given their recent offerings that don't seem very popular or interesting to anyone outside diehard SW spergs -- namely the Disney+ service and the new animations where everyone looks like BB-8.

(Edit for clarity.)

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

The one card they have left is Lucas's sequels trilogy. But they can't make it, Hamill would love to, but they paid a fortune and killed the character to get Ford back one more time, and Fisher is dead.

I don't think it would be dramatically different enough to work anyways. Outside of the execution, the general skeleton of Lucas's treatments are still apparent(I think)

If the time travel retcon thing happens: there may be a double dip within the new time frame of 7-9. But, I doubt it will have anything to do with Skywalkers going forward. I think their story is told and would seem (even more)pointless...

I think Disney is just going to go off and do whatever with new characters. Honestly, I think thats for the best. Perhaps, they could repurpose Thrawn as an antagonist for these new set of characters.

The franchise desperatly needs to get away from Skywalkers. Their involvement creates fan expectations of narrative rhythmic "poetry", and whatever bullshit tired cliches that have plagued the brand.

Don't believe me? Go look at some fan boards and see exceptional gay arguments that root themselves in what came before....

I fucking hate the way Kennedy and Disney have handled this mess so far. But, the one thing I agree with them on: they need to eventually do their own thing with the franchise...

The big miscalculation I think they made: bringing back the OT characters. Oh sure, it made them bank for TFA. But, it was "fools gold", and ended up pissing off the fanbase once they mishandled Luke....

Lucas getting back Star Wars or whatever, isn't going to fix this shit. Disney needs to shoot Kennedy out of a cannon, and find a creative studio president(who has genuine love for the series). That person can facilitate some sort of proper game plan for the franchise going forward....

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Hey @GeneralFriendliness, remember those what-if situations where Lucas buys back Lucasfilm but Disney gets to keep the shit they created from the franchise? If those rumors that Disney is renting original characters are true, could that possibility happen?

Iger is a known fuckface and an arrogant cunt. I have a unlikely feeling a communications major along with Fiegie is whispering in his ear that wokeness is fucking amazing. And that fans don't matter and you can just destroy their shit and you'll still make money.

I gotta a feeling Iger is going to have a epic downfall soon;.

 

[Ghostse]

I said it before: Thrawn Trilogy. Shoot it like Tarantino with the old characters retelling the narrative and cast new actors. Have that be your opening. You establish the future and the past, include fan favorites, get the band back together and line up the new cast for future movies.

They didn't do this because Disney didn't want the risk.

Disney throwing out the expanded universe wholesale is what turned me against Didney Waz even before the shitshow that was TFA dropped. Sure that tree needed some heavy pruning, but there was a lot of good stuff in there, Thrawn included.

The Prequels (the creepy cringy 'romance' angle asside) weren't BAD, they just weren't GOOD. The worst thing was by trying to humanize Vader they went too far and made him a pussy. I understood what they were going for at end of ROTS: Vader believes he has nothing left anymore so fuck it, keep hunting Separatists and keep order in the Galaxy. But Lucas is really great at concepts, elements, arcs and complete shit at executing them.